Count down to aldo? Anyone?
azimuth - what a cool word.
just tried watching some of truth rising. seemed like all stuff i've seen before except the walking across the country truthers. I think the best line was when the cop was telling the dude to move to the next county. He's like "I have the right to protect YOU!"
Two dark spots appear on the worst quality video you can imagine. Sounds like toofer logic to me: reaching maximal certitude from video of minimal quality -- knowing the most from the least.
For those of us (such as myself) who don't know: What's the debate about from exactly where F77 struck? What hinges in it? Otherwise, the idea that F77 didn't hit the Pentagon is so loony to refute it with such a weak analysis seems counter productive.
Agent 87045234002,
I have to admit I can't remotely get into this stuff, and I understand your sentiment.
Nonetheless, if the more technical analysis is solely left to the truthers, the truthers can always fall back on that in their Gish Gallop.
Onward tech geeks!
(I'm a different type of geek)
Agent, I think he did a great job of analysis there, showing that if the plane followed the accepted flight path, we would expect to see a shadow there. And at exactly the right time and the right place two dots show up; a little too big to be nothing or random video noise. It's terrific that the Citgo video, written off as showing nothing conclusive, contains such a tiny piece of evidence that backs up the accepted account. To me, this is every bit as exciting as Catherder proving that the fish-eye camera caught the tailfin of Flight 77, and that the white blob everybody focused on was just smoke from the starboard engine.
knowing the most from the least.
-Agent 87045234002 | 07.07.08 - 9:20 pm
Good one. Right to the point.
The entire 9/11truth movement is grown from conjecture; seeded by fact-mined fabrications, and fertilized by the purest bullshit.
Almost seven years after the fact and all they have is a shrinking number of nutbars, on a shrinking number of troofer web sites, wondering what it is UFO fanciers have that makes their woo more attractive to the average fruitcake than does troofer woo.
Aldo would have been here eight hours ago but he has to sober up first.
I agree that the quality of the video doesn't lend itself to much certainty. The "two dots" look like two motor vehicles to me.
BG, obviously we can't be certain, and I'm sure Aldo and Craig will say that we can't trust the Citgo video anyway because it doesn't show Robert Turcios. But it fits.
I agree that the quality of the video doesn't lend itself to much certainty. The "two dots" look like two motor vehicles to me.
bg | Homepage | 07.07.08 - 11:34 pm | #
Good call! They were supposed to look like trucks or motorhomes. The "shadow thing" kinda messed up the operation, but thanks for pointing out our CGI mistake! There will be a special bonus for you! Where should we send it again?
The "two dots" look like two motor vehicles to me.
bg | Homepage | 07.07.08 - 11:34 pm | #
I don't think so. Starting at the the 1:25 mark on the video you can see a few cars progressing up and down the road. They come into shot, move through the shot and exit the shot. On the other hand these "two dots" appear out of nowhere and disappear in the same fashion. This would be expected if they were the shadow cast by AA77. Added to the fact that they appear in expected postion and at expected time, this is strong evidence that we are looking at AA77's shadow. As a bonus, the author uses these events in the video to calculate AA77's airspeed and this correlates with what we aleady know.
An excellent analysis, Mr Larson.
"bg" must "think" the Citgo was the garage for a Bonneville Flats world speed attempt motor vehicle, or two.
And that they happened to be making world record attempt test runs next to the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11/01.
Lets face it, bg, aka Billy "no-planes no-brains" Glitner is not only insane, he also has the IQ of a small toad.
Typical, average 9/11truther.
Hello All,
Just wanted to pop in to remind where and why that video was released.
It was because I obtained Robert Turcios' testimony. I obtained Robert's account, 5 days later I announced it, 5 days later they released the Citgo video...
http://i14.photobucket.com/
album...aseTimeline.jpg
I know, I know. It's always just a coincidence right?
Pretty blatant. Then we had to survive the "analyses" that were performed by amateurs like Russell Pickering, John Farmer, and Adam "Crusty Logic" Larson trying to prove the video showed evidence of a south side flight path. News flash; we saw the dots a long long long time ago. They are just that, dots resembling a disturbance in the video recording. Inconclusive and irrelevant. The release was so they can more than likely edit out Robert and chop up the video. Need proof that the Citgo video was manipulated and shots were edited out???
http://thepentacon.com/Topic8.htm
Pat, we heard about how you are "taking on the PentaCon boys"-let us know the venue, time and place...we're waiting for you big guy. Anytime you are ready. You clearly haven't done the research we have and you are going to realize that very soon.
More north side witnesses...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m...h?
v=mybWY9HJXXQ
Great job of analysis by John Farmer and Adam Larson.
Um you do know that Farmer "believes" there was a north side flight path right????
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/i...p?
showtopic=158
In fact, our favorite disinfo agent Farmer, even said that the Citgo video supports the north side flight path! hahahaha...
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/i...owtopic=113&
hl=
Aldo Marquis CIT | Homepage | 07.08.08 - 3:37 pm
There you are, took you long enough to sober up.
Of course, the bitchfaced twats on this board won't pull back the curtain long enough to show their face and address the points I made that DIRECTLY refute Larson's/Farmer's horseshit.
Holy shit, learn some basic HTML dumbunkers, you're ruining this already low end 'blog' with your amateurishness..
LOL, Aldo they released the video because of you! It had nothing to do with Judicial Watch, right?
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Aldo Marquis CIT | Homepage | 07.08.08 - 5:41 pm
My words speak for themselves.
I don't need to waste time with pointless appeals to authority.
And speaking of bitchfaced twats, how's your mother?
First, Pat totally gets it. It's not noise or random. Thanks, Pat, for posting this here and your kind words at JREF.
Second - it's not two cars, for the reasons pointed out by "Dylan."
Actually the video DOES show Robert Turcios, I presume, when if his story to CIT were true we wouldn't - he'd run off to the left well before the shadow passed north of the station. He's the guy in the red box in the video, or at least that's the only person doing something near the south pumps for several minutes before the attack, like Turcios describes himself doing.
So CIT just says the video was released because of him, suspect of manipulation, which is luckily proven anyway. Not. Search "Proof that CIT was manipulated?" A paranoid take, yes, but that's all their evidence.
Aldo:
"Of course, the bitchfaced twats on this board won't pull back the curtain long enough to show their face and address the points I made that DIRECTLY refute Larson's/Farmer's horseshit."
Up the volume, huh? That always works. Dude, what points? Judicial Watch's case worked its way out to release just after you published your first news of Turcios' false account. The release was a bit odd in not being announced ahead of time. Woopty doo. Coincidence noted.
Alpo: "News flash; we saw the dots a long long long time ago. They are just that, dots resembling a disturbance in the video recording. Inconclusive and irrelevant."
Too quote one of the masters, "I know, I know. It's always just a coincidence right?"
False.
This is a plane shadow just about as it would look at that correct spot. Man up to it - they edited Robert "out," edited a replacement store-runner-intoer IN, and edited in this shadow, which lines up perfectly with the path YOU believe is a government lie to hide the truth. Why aren't you harping on this further "proof" of deception? This halfass shit gets boring.
Alpo: "The release was so they can more than likely edit out Robert and chop up the video. Need proof that the Citgo video was manipulated and shots were edited out???
http://thepentacon.com/Topic8.htm\"
Sure, read that, and then my "proof" piece. There's something odd going on here.
we get the "proof" of manipulation via the manager, which became clear when the north canopy camera she indicated had no view in the multiplex. This offered an escape clause for Turcios, a witness SHE first offered up.
Does not trip CIT's overkill sensors, and of course cannot prove CIT's impossible scenario. It gives it legs, but not reality.
"You clearly haven't done the research we have and you are going to realize that very soon."
oooh, always so ominous.
"More north side witnesses..."
And again, people, the lesson here - CIT are master distoerters, but they did NOT twist Turcios or his manager to say the things they did. CIT did not manipulate Lagasse's e-mail to Eastman in 2003. They did not force him to repeat north side on camera in 2006. Brooks said it freely and clearly, if oddly. I tend to believe Stephens and Boger did too, but maybe not. That's already a lot of mistakes lining up, eh?
And they have more now. Just in that preview I see 'em saying north of the annex and stuff...
Y'all might need a new type of debunk here. the old one that puts all blame on CIT isn't adequate.
And finally, Farmer thinks there was a north path? wow! I think he's wrong on his north path theory, but he's also found through research that a 757 hit the building from the south. Did you forget that part Aldo?
Oh, and don't forget the "whistleblower" at the NTSB who rotated the animation map to show a north side path the FDR never said anything about. This is also not a CIT distortion. Probably just a coincidence, i guess, when it appears at just the right time to help everyone visualize what CIT was finding all around that station...
and that still did not happen.
They are just that, dots resembling a disturbance in the video recording. Inconclusive and irrelevant.
My irony meter just exploded.
Troofer: I did the research, you didn't.
Translation: I made up enough bullshit based on tangental material that it would baffle anyone who didn't come down the rabbit hole with me.
Nah, Aldo's not really that baffling. He's latched on to some cherry-picked little factoid and repeats it like a deranged parrot, oblivious to the avalanche of evidence to the contrary, and with no limits to how many people he'll bother to try and prove it.
In other words, he's the new Killtown.
LOL, Aldo they released the video because of you! It had nothing to do with Judicial Watch, right?
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Pat Curley | Homepage | 07.08.08 - 6:31 pm | #
I am talking about the timing, Curley.
You guys go on with your bad selves.
Meanwhile the plane approached on the north side of the Citgo, pulled up into some type of ascent right before the Pentagon and directly preceding the explosion, appeared to "hit high" "the top" "the other side",did not hit any light poles, and was seen banking somewhere over the south parking lot AFTER the explosion.
and was seen banking somewhere over the south parking lot AFTER the explosion.
Aldo Marquis CIT | Homepage | 07.09.08 - 12:13 pm
Banking over a parking lot, at 450 mph; 150 feet above the ground.
And seen by Aldo Marquis, but not the hundreds of other eyewitnesses around the Pentagon.
The crash distracted them from the unbelievably spectacular sight of a 200,000 lb commercial airliner banking 150 feet over a parking lot at 450 miles per hour.
But not Aldo, although he was in a bar in Cincinnati at the time; but hey, he was mixing peyote with martini's that morning.
He saw a lot that day those of you who weren't hallucinating didn't see.
Too quote one of the masters, "I know, I know. It's always just a coincidence right?"
False.
This is a plane shadow just about as it would look at that correct spot. Man up to it - they edited Robert "out," edited a replacement store-runner-intoer IN, and edited in this shadow, which lines up perfectly with the path YOU believe is a government lie to hide the truth. Why aren't you harping on this further "proof" of deception? This halfass shit gets boring.
Crusty Logic,
There is nothing in that video that proves any of what you are trying to convey, especially when looked at in the context of our investigation. They had to begin the damage control of Robert Turcios, not only did he confirm Lagasse being on the "starboard side" ie the NOC approach, but he had it pull up and told me it did not look like an AA. He had to be contained and tools/ops like you and Farmer are the vessel that they use to propagate this counter measure. They know it and you probably know it too.
He has NO incentive to lie. You are trying to frame an innocent man and using the video intended to do so, to frame him. He was very meek and shy. It was hard to convince him to go on camera and tell his story. What incentive did he have for lying you treacherous, traitorous scumbag?
His manager non-chalantly referenced him being outside when the plane went by, she describes pretty much what he described. She knew the video camera was removed and obviously the frame showing whatever the camera caught was also removed.
You can't change it. You can only cling to our shoes like dogshit and try as best as you can to cast doubt in anyway, bypassing logic and the scope of what it is we've been revealing. No one cares about you except these thumbsucking LYING, deceitful pieces of trash like Curley and co. who WANT to believe everything but the truth and logical conclusions that follow that truth.
Yeah, but aldo, your "north of the citgo fabrication" is walking in dog shit.
You might as well try and argue that Pearl Harbor was a false flag attack, so totally fake is your so called "evidence."
What do you expect your shoe to be covered it when you walk in dog shit?
By the way, you can't change the fact you didn't know there wasn't any DNA testing in the early 1060's.
That's really, completely, hilariously stupid.
typo: 1960's
ROT,
You know exactly what I meant. The remains. How would the remains be identified for college students who didn't die? They would fake it.
How would they be matched for people who did or didn't die on 9/11? Swapped out and matched at later times. Remember collection and analysis are two separate events that took place at different times, with more than likely different people. In fact, the FBI had control of the entire process. And I trust them as much as I trust your capacity to understand the difference between north and south, right and left.
What's really, completely, hilariously stupid is your belief that a plane can approach from the north side of the Citgo, hit the 5 light poles, the generator trailer/fence, and flew low and level into the building-all while Roosevelt Roberts saw it flying away. What's really, completely, hilariously stupid is that you think "documentation" of DNA is supposed to change that. What's really, completely, hilariously stupid is your posturing considering you have to look yourself in the mirror every day and know you are a coward who won't step from behind your computer to interview witnesses that prove your pathetic case.
Shut the fuck up, Aldo.
You know exactly what I meant.
Yes, we ALL DO!
You meant: wooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
What's really, completely, hilariously stupid is Aldo's belief that a huge commercial airliner screaming like a bat out of hell can approach from the north side of the Citgo, hit the 5 light poles, the generator trailer/fence, all in just a few seconds, as hundreds of eyewitnesses watched it, then flew slam into the building, blowing up in a giant fireball-after which Aldo believes he can get the world to forget all that because he found someone called Roosevelt Roberts who claims he and some wino from Encino saw it flying away afterwards.
There, fixed that for you.
"You can only cling to our shoes like dogshit and try as best as you can to cast doubt in anyway"
Hey there big hero guy, you're right. Consider me scraped off. As for all the other "dogshit" you're walking through as you traipse the internet picking fights rather than getting this mountain of evidence to trial where it belongs... deal with it how you will. A guilty verdict for at least one inside-job participant would shut people up quite a bit better than what you got now, huh?
Peace yo.
"not only did he confirm Lagasse being on the "starboard side" ie the NOC approach,"
Um, starboard is the right side. The right side of the Citgo station is the South of Citgo side. Or am I missing something?
In our world, south and north are what we say they are.
Aldope said -
"What's really, completely, hilariously stupid is your belief that a plane can approach from the north side of the Citgo, hit the 5 light poles, the generator trailer/fence, and flew low and level into the building"
No Aldope, that's the belief of almost all of your witnesses!
It's funny how you continually challenge people to explain how the plane flew NoC and still impacted with the Pentagon when your own witnesses explained this to you in person and there was not a peep out of your lying, alcoholic mouth.
Where were your balls then, Aldope?
Presumably in Craig's handbag.
[Sean Boger] And so I am looking out at the road, and I see the traffic has liked stop, and I look out the window and I just hear a -- I just see like the nose and the wing of an aircraft just like coming right at us, and he didn't veer. And then you just heard the noise, and then he just smacked into the building, and when it hit the building, I am watching the plane go all the way into the building.
...
[Sean Boger] So once the plane went into the building, it exploded, and once it exploded, I hit the floor and just covered up my head.
Sean Boger, unconfirmed CIT star witness, and as Aldope puts it... really, completely, hilariously stupid.
Aldope said -
"What's really, completely, hilariously stupid is your posturing considering you have to look yourself in the mirror every day and know you are a coward who won't step from behind your computer to interview witnesses that prove your pathetic case."
Is that chair still wearing you, Aldope? Have you found a way to curb the slow self-inflation? Have they started asking you to pay for two airline seats yet or do you just sit there with the seatbelt undone and flapping around?
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