I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
cheney lie?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
huh. well, the record speaks for itself
Are you surprised?
BTW, for everyone coming to St. Louis for the debate Friday, Kerry will appear at a rally at Art Hill in Forest Park after the debate. Everyone in St. Louis knows where Art Hill is; it's about a mile east of the debate site in front of the Art Museum. We need a large crowd; it will probably be on C-Span and MSNBC.
I'll be there. Wear your mittens, it's projected to be cold but we'll be ready to party after the bloodletting.
Cheney proves his irrelevance by Thomas Oliphant, Globe Columnist
Give Dr. Evil a break. He was probably referring to the North Carolina Wingnut Weekly.
My letter to the editors:
Last night, we saw the Bush/Cheney administration condensed to 90 minutes. Not only did Dick Cheney lie about the big things -- for example, that he had never implied a connection between Saddam and 9/11, or that he and George Bush have never let up on Osama bin Laden, who remains free more than three years after murdering thousands of Americans. Even more telling, though, is that Cheney couldn't even tell the truth about the little things -- if he and John Edwards had ever met.
America deserves better.
Ok, in 90 minutes we have already found more lies than Bush has fingers and toes to count with.
What a mean and evil bastard. What color is his blood, and is it warm?
I'm trying to think of another Triangle wingnut paper and I can't think of any. The Independent is crunchy as it gets (loved that paper 
, but not any right-wing papers.
I guess you could check the Charlotte Observer, but that would be stretching it.
You can all go f*ck yourselves.
"Well, that's what I heard from Carl Cameron, anyway."
Jesus, it's pathological. He simply can't tell the truth about anything.
Pathological. Pathological. Pathological.
Repeat as often as necessary.
nice booby Woot.
George Bailey 1, Mr. Potter 0.
Vicki Stein: black and cold---imagine used motor oil
This is where Edwards actually "won" the debate. Cheney might have held his own (or, if you're generous, even "appeared" better) in the debates, but he threw out so many obvious lies, it's like a party for any Democratic Advertisers.
Even the mass media truth squads are over him for the 9/11 lies.
The Southern Pines????????
Edwards’ Hometown Paper Calls Him “Senator Gone.” “Four and a half
years into his first term, John Edwards is becoming known as Senator
Gone. That’s because Edwards, North Carolina’s senior senator, has
developed a habit of missing floor votes while on the campaign trail
in pursuit of the Democratic presidential nomination.” (Editorial,
“Edwards Should Do His Day Job,” [Southern Pines] Pilot, 6/25/03)
http://www.lawdiscussion.com/arc...n_Edwards?
.html
If you google "senator gone" and "edwards", you'll see that the nickname is clearly GOP- inspired.
It's a Wonderful Life
"Do you know how long it takes a working man to save five thousand dollars? Just remember this, Mr. Potter, that this rabble you're talking about. They do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community. Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath? Anyway, my father didn't think so. People were human beings to him, but to you, a warped, frustrated old man, they're cattle. Well, in my book, he died a much richer man than you'll ever be."
Remind you of anyone?
i guess the trick here is: where is Edwards' "home town" ?
is it the town he was born in (Seneca, South Carolina), the town he was raised in (Robbins, North Carolina) or maybe the town he graduated college from (Chapel Hill, NC) ?
or of course Dick could be lying.
Is there anyplace that has a centralized, itemized list of the lies that Dick Cheney told last night? I need to forward something like that to several coworkers.
This accusation first appeared in the Southern Pines Pilot June 25, 2003
http://www.thepilot.com/
Hate to break this, but it's not quite a lie. A few minutes of googling found that the "Senator Gone" label did in fact come from a newspaper called the Southern Pines Pilot. I use the term "newspaper" loosely, since it's a weekly publication with a circulation of about 16,000. It's only a rung or two above Crawford, Texas' hometown "paper" which endorsed Kerry. Of course, the "Pilot" is all agog over the mention, even though their editors couldn't remember the comment until they dug into their archives.
Awesome debate photo
(not mine, grabbed it from Kos)
I felt that Edwards' main challenge last night was keeping up with Cheney's lies and distortions. He makes them faster than you can jot down notes on them.
Edwards is from Moore County, NC, a Republican stronghold in the center of the state. Southern Pines is in Moore County, but Edwards did not ever live IN Southern Pines. Southern Pines is where the rich golf retirees live. Edwards is from Robbins, the mill town down the road.
But, all in all, perhaps Atrios may want to put up a clarification.
And Duncan, if you need any info on North Carolina, give me a buzz.
hmm. would it be fair to mention in this context that George Bush's hometown newspaper has endorsed John Kerry?
The Pilot has something to say about Cheney's mentioning of this obscure reference...
http://www.thepilot.com/opinion/
...Editorial2.html
They also have a current editorial with the headline: Edwards did More than Hold His Own
http://www.thepilot.com/opinion/
...tEditorial.html
which leaves no doubt they are proud of their hometown senator
The scene in my cracked crystal ball is of more terror alerts coming up. Ridge has his red crayons out.
Great photo, woot!
The 'Southern Pines Pilot'? What kind of paper is that? That sounds like three grumpy old men with a hard-on for Clinton. Oh yeah, right, that's what it is.
actually, Robbins NC (where Edwards grew up) is not too far from Southern Pines, whose paper did run a "Senator Gone" comment. (27 miles)
sadly, Dick is probably right on this one.
Is it true that the "mulligan speech" is being uttered by Dear Leader at this moment?
They also have a current editorial with the headline: Edwards did More than Hold His Own
http://www.thepilot.com/opinion/
...tEditorial.html
which leaves no doubt they are proud of their hometown senator
Shouldn't you have said *hometown* senator? 
sorry, a weekly paper that isn't really his "hometown" paper doesn't count.
Did I miss the meeting in which it was decided that the public's perception of trial lawyers is worse than that of oil executives?
Good letter, MattB, you hit all the points.
actually, Robbins NC (where Edwards grew up) is not too far from Southern Pines, whose paper did run a "Senator Gone" comment. (27 miles)
sadly, Dick is probably right on this one.
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Except that Cheney made it sound as if Edwards is widely known by that epithet or that it is commonly used by his "hometown" paper (which it isn't).
Besides, I'm from a small southern town, too. The town 27 miles away is not my hometown in any way, shape, or fashion.
Definitely a stretch at best.
I'd pretty much call it a lie.
But we also wrote: “Members of the senator’s staff point out that Edwards’ attendance record this year has been better than the three other Democratic senators who are campaigning for president — Joe Lieberman, Richard Gephardt and Bob Graham. And the aides also say none of the votes Edwards missed was close, so his presence on the floor would not have changed the outcome.”
Thanks for the plug, Mr. Vice President. We’re proud to count you among our many readers.
Dickie only quoting part of an article and creating a negative impression?
Shocking. Scumbag.
What?
Cheney lied?
I'm shocked! Shocked!
Round up the usual suspects.
(Wonder if Kerry will bring this up Friday?)
Let's talk about georgie's presence (or lack of) in the Oval Office of late, shall we?
Cheney actually lying goes beyond into another realm of shocking.
Did I say of late? Well, it works if we count the last four years.
From the Pilot:
It’s not every day that a non-daily paper in a small town gets mentioned in a nationally televised debate in prime time. But it happened to The Pilot Tuesday night.
“His hometown newspaper has taken to calling him ‘Senator Gone,’” Vice President Richard Cheney said of his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Edwards.
Well, not exactly.
Did the man say anything that was truthful last night?
Score a point for the Republican debate prep team for that one.. I'm sure the demo crack team could have come up with some negative comments about Cheney from his "hometown" newspaper. How about this editorial from the Daily Nebraskan, opposing the war on Feb 17, 2003?
http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vn...46?
in_archive=1
Did you notice, though, how every time Cheney lied, Edwards would grin and shoot up his eyebrows as if to say "Oh really"? To me, Edwards was making it clear by his facial expressions that Cheney was making shit up. But I was watching on C-Span which showed a split screen the entire time. I don't know if the networks did this. But, anyway, it was brilliant on JE's part.
Did the man say anything that was truthful last night?
He thanked Edwards for the kind words Edwards said about Cheney's family.
It was the only time I thought Cheney was speaking honestly, without preparation. And it reflected well on Edwards.
One more reason I give the "win" to Edwards.
All those W04 bumberstickers need to be recalled - they should read C04
I've never seen anything like that and I read the N&O every day. There may be one or two columnists who have used that term, but it sounds more like something that a letter writer would use.
As for letters complaining about Edwards' attendance: They appear from time to time, but there has not been a groundswell of these kinds of letters.
Towmey (the LTE editor, I think) has given tremendous space to the swift-boat crap, but little in the way of criticsm of Edwards.
The N&O did publish a large story pointing out that Dole has rendered more service to constiuents, and there was one letter agreeing to their assessment. My guess is that the Dole Con. service factor is a holdover from Helms and may be more due to her inheriting the iold fossil's staff.
Here's a quote from Dick's Hometown newspaper: (his REAL hometown of Lincoln Nebraska not a small town 27 miles away from his hometown)
Bush, a former CEO of an oil company, a son of the man who backed down from toppling Hussein once before, already suffers from credibility problems, especially overseas. His administration's response to the bin Laden tape made matters even worse.
And without credibility, war is unwise
By the way, Southern Pines is about an hour south of Raleigh Edwards lives in Raleigh, not Southern Pines. Hell. It's not even in the same county.
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Here's an editorial from Cheney's hometown newspaper which draws stronger ties between the Bush Adm and Enron than there are between Saddam and Al-Qaeda!
http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vn...37?
in_archive=1
"Senator Gone" = "Councilman Les Wynan"
Here's an interesting AP article printed in Cheney's hometown newspaper that has some interesting quotes from Cheney about Bin Laden in Tora Bora:
http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vn...7d?
in_archive=1
Excerpt:
Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday that intelligence reports indicate bin Laden is hiding in Tora Bora, a complex of caves and tunnels carved into the White Mountains near the Pakistani border..
Hmm.. "fact checkers" on NPR this morning said the administration never knew for certain that Bin Laden was in Tora Bora..
Stupid liberals, how many times do we have to tell you--9/11 changed everything. It changed whether or not Edwards and Cheney had ever met before last night, it changed what paper called Edwards what names, and--just so we're clear--it changed everything else you might be fretting about. Okay? Got it? For example:
CHENEY: I have the power to order military jets around.
Do you say "Not according to the Constitution?" No, because 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING, including the text of the Constitution. Let's try another one.
CHENEY: Senator Kerry voted 63,221 times to send Americans into battle naked and armed only with bath toys.
Do you say "Bull, and what's more you took the same position you're accusing him of taking?" No, because 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING, including everything Cheney said before that day.
Why is it that all the 9/11 changes help Republicans? That's a good question, or it was before 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING. Now shut up. Shut up!!
Maybe they meant his home town where he grew up. Middle and westen NC tend to be more conservative than Raleigh. Then again Cheney was probably just lying.
Speaking of NPR, I just have to share. Right before the debate last night, I got a call from our local PBS station. They wanted money, natch, that's all they ever want. I told the guy sorry, every spare dollar this year is going to get John Kerry elected president. The guy seemed clearly surprised by that, but said: "I'm really glad to hear that, because I support the same thing."
Of course, he wanted money, so maybe he'd say that regardless. But I don't think so. He sounded sincere about it.
Doesn't the phrase "has taken to" indicate that it's been uttered more than, you know, one fucking time? Cheney didn't say "Your hometown paper has *called* you Senator Gone."
Atrios,
It's worth clarifying your original post because the details--that Cheney was referring to a paper that isn't from Edwards's hometown, that it used the term only once, and has since endorsed Edwards--shows the painful mendacity of the quote far better than your original post does.
It's not just that they lie. It's that they lie over the most trivial matters.
queen crab wrote: Did you notice, though, how every time Cheney lied, Edwards would grin and shoot up his eyebrows as if to say "Oh really"? To me, Edwards was making it clear by his facial expressions that Cheney was making shit up.
...
yeah, that look on Edwards' face after Cheney's comment about never having met was a classic wtf?
To be fair, Bushco has been lying its collective ass off for years now without consequence. Is it really fair to change to rules and hold it accountable for lying now?
hehe
I'm getting a "server too busy" page over at factcheck.org
Interesting.
The News & Observer poll is still active, on the debate story page:
http://www.newsobserver.com
N&O is my hometown paper, and the Senator Gone comment certainly was news to me. Have there been stories about Edwards and missed votes, letters to the editor, calls to wingnut radio about it? Yes. But "Senator Gone" was news to me.
Pie, the Big Time VP appears to not be zoned for truth. His whole bit on why Bush "chose " him to be Veep because of his experience is another out and out fabrication. Cheney was hired to head the VP search team, and ended up finding his own bad self to be the puppetmaster. Bush had little or no say in it, as in most things governmental (mental being operative), and, as all good eschatonians know, a good part of the reason we're in such deep shit is because Big Time is the Prez. That is soon to change, however.
Here's what actually happened: a reader wrote a letter to the Wilmington Star-News on Feb. 9, 2004 calling Edwards "Senator No-Show."
The paper itself never said anything of the sort. It was a lone disgruntled reader. Cheney was lying.
More playing fast-and-loose with the truth...
First, what do YOU call his "hometown"? johnkerry.com says Edwards was born in S.C but raised in Robbins N.C. From the website of the N.C. Press Assn....
"Is the News & Observer really Edwards's hometown newspaper?
Don't forget. Edwards grew up in Robbins, a small town in Moore County covered by The (Southern Pines) Pilot."
So your assertion that the Pilot isn't his "hometown paper" is a lie.
You call it an "irreverent weekly" as if it was some sort of BugTussle Gazette....the Pilot's website says it's published three times a week and describes itself as "your online news site...". Doesn't sound as if they consider themselves "irreverent". And calling a paper that's published thrice-weekly a "weekly" - well, that's another lie, designed to cast aspersions on this small-town newspaper.
Getting desperate?
Edwards lives in Raleigh. The N&O is the Raleigh Newspaper. The N&O is Edwards' hometown newspaper.
The SOUTHERN PINES Pilot wasn't even being published when Edwards lived in ROBBINS, 27 MILES AWAY FROM SOUTHERN PINES.
we need more irreverent newspapers
well, the Southern Pines Pilot, which called him "Senator Gone" in an editorial in 2003 does circulate some in Robbins (they are both in Moore County), which WAS Edwards hometown from maybe 1960 to 1970 when he went off to college.
(how desperate does someone have to be if the only aspersion that they can cast on a candidate is a fraudulant claim about a hometown newspaper?)
The Drudge site is pretty funny. Still nothing to work with after the debates. Even has a link up to the story that Bush and Edwards met at least three times, and has a photo up of the two side by side at the prayer breakfast meeting.
Also, someone last night had an excellent post with a link to the Senate site which listed 6 Senate votes that Cheney passed the deciding vote on. Edwards was there for all six of the votes.
As I replied, does Cheney require a confrontation and his saying "go fuck yourself" before he considers having met an opponent?
The paper in Robbins is the "Citizen News-Record".
Well I know an old guy in a nursing home who doesn't consider himself irrelevant, but that doesn't change the fact that, regrettably, he is.
"The SOUTHERN PINES Pilot wasn't even being published when Edwards lived in ROBBINS, 27 MILES AWAY FROM SOUTHERN PINES"
Really? According to their website, the Pilot has been published since 1920...where did you get YOUR info?
"...who doesn't consider himself irrelevant, "
That's IRREVERENT, not irrelevant...believe it or not, these two words aren't the same.
"Reading comprehension? What's that?"
Actually, in reference to reading comprehension, Atrios was referring to the Philadelphia Weekly as an "irreverent weekly", not the Southern Pines Pilot.
Crawford paper endorsing Kerry would have been a great riposte.
How in holy hell does a Bush supporter make wisecracks about someone's attendance?
"Now watch this drive."
Let me see if I can get this right.
So a weekly newspaper in a North Carolina small town with a circulation of 16,000 used the phrase "Senator Gone" once in an editorial.
And that's supposed to mean that Senator Edwards' "hometown" newspaper HAS TAKEN TO calling him that?
The Bush/Cheney version of truth.
The Pilot is the local paper for Moore County. Its circulation isn't much because the population of Moore County isn't very large. Many folks in Moore County subscribe to a daily paper as well, I know the Fayetteville Observer has reporters assigned to Moore County and that many residents subscribe to the Raleigh N&O. The Pilot isn't a crackpot newspaper, though some of the letters to the editor are out there. It has a good reputation and my relatives in Moore County (including people very active in the local democratic party) subscribe to The Pilot. It has a lot of stuff about local events that larger papers don't bother to cover.
I think its legitimate to refer to the town where someone grew up as their "hometown". I don't think a one-off reference is enough to make the "has taken to calling" claim legitimate. I'm not defending Cheney, but The Pilot doesn't deserve to be smeared.
It is OK for Cheney to exaggerate as well as fabricate.
jesus, people, so there turns out to actually be a newspaper somewhere in north carolina that called edwards "senator gone" on their editorial page. last I knew, people, including newspaper editors, were entitled to their opinions.
The editor of my hometown paper when I was growing up was a fellow by the name of Jim Quayle. (Yes, that Jim Quayle.) He was far better known for his frequent visits to the tavern across the street than he was for the probity of his political opinions.
point for cheney. let's move on.
I also think that you shouldn't smear the Pilot and that it's not a total lie to call the place where somebody grew up their hometown.
Atrios, the best way to present this is to highlight these points:
1) The Pilot only said it once.
2) It's not widespread in NC
3) It is such a distortion of the Pilot's intent that they disputed it right away.
Insulting The Pilot doesn't help us win North Carolina. The Pilot's editorial and the comparisons with editorials from plausible "hometown" papers of Cheney's is a better way to make the point.
The funny thing is, what is Cheney's hometown? Caspar? Houston?
Betcha he's spent more time in DC over the last 20+ yrs than either of those combined. But that doesn't make him a Washington insider, does it?
How many times have I personally seen/heard Cheney conclusively link Saddam to 911? UNBELIEVABLE! Like was previously asked, is there an accurated accounting of all the speeches and appearances in which this lying sack of shit spun his yarns? Seems like a good commercial for MoveOn to air in the less enlightened regions of this country. Just show one clip after another of him making his fallacious claims. This guy really puts the "vice" in Vice-President
speaking of his hometown...William Jordan is running for Congress in Edwards' home district. check out what he has to say and how he plans to get a long time Republican out of office.
http://www.jordan4congress.com
From a Table Talk poster
http://www.thepilot.com/opinion/
...Editorial2.html
‘Senator Gone’?
It’s not every day that a non-daily paper in a small town gets mentioned in a nationally televised debate in prime time. But it happened to The Pilot Tuesday night.
“His hometown newspaper has taken to calling him ‘Senator Gone,’” Vice President Richard Cheney said of his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Edwards.
Well, not exactly.
The Pilot hasn’t “taken to calling him” anything. In fact, the vice president’s obscure reference sent us scrambling to our library. And sure enough, we did publish an editorial 15 months ago, on June 25, 2003, headlined, “Edwards Should Do His Day Job.” In it, we noted that Sen. Jesse Helms used to be called “Senator No.” And we added: “Four and a half years into his first term, John Edwards is becoming known as Senator Gone.”
The reference was to Edwards’ frequent absences from the Senate floor as he traveled here and there (mostly there) pursuing his presidential ambitions.
But we also wrote: “Members of the senator’s staff point out that Edwards’ attendance record this year has been better than the three other Democratic senators who are campaigning for president — Joe Lieberman, Richard Gephardt and Bob Graham. And the aides also say none of the votes Edwards missed was close, so his presence on the floor would not have changed the outcome.”
Thanks for the plug, Mr. Vice President. We’re proud to count you among our many readers.
Ummm...I write for the Pilot:
http://www.thepilot.com/opinion/...4D-
Rhoades.html
and no way is it "Wingnut weekly."
So it comes to this as the truth:
"The small but respectable paper in the next town over from your hometown once published an editorial where the writer called you 'Senator Gone.'"
Color me unimpressed by Dick's veracity. It's not like Edwards rounding up one an a half percent to make 88.5% US casualties into 90% for ease of speaking.
But I was pleased to hear Dick use the word "interlocutor" properly in the course of conversation.
Actually, I'm dying to hear that quote used in a question in the next debate and have Bush stand there and look baffled.
The poor old guy just can't remember things too well anymore.
I guess you guys were so busy congratulating yourselves that you didn't hear Little John saying that trial lawyers were not the cause of rising medical costs but that anyway they were going to start requiring lawyers to actually have a case before they sued and, if they sued without a case three times they would not be allowed in the playpen any more. I don't know whether that was just before or just after he said that they were going to stop all outsourcing just as soon as they finished outsourcing all the pharma work to Canada and etc.
My only hope is that after the election you all move to France with Botox and the Boy Wonder.
Tata!
Yo, Ducktape, you said, "The "I've never met you before tonight" WAS a practiced line, and it was the MOST totally stupid thing he could have done. It really shows what a bubble Dick Cheney lives in as well, where he can just make a statement without any thought whatsoever that it might come back to haunt him.
So why was this one so dumb? Pictures.
The media went after Gore on his claim to have debated someone he didn't, but that took words -- they had to talk and talk to prove the negative. All this one takes is a picture - no reading or talking nevessary"
Pictures, eh? Well, here's an even bigger challenge for you DimRats: Find us a picture of Edwards showing up for a committee meeting!!
As for Cheney's statement to the rugRat haunting him? LOL! People get the points - all of them. Since you don't, I'll edify you: 1). The little tyke has missed almost all of meetings he was supposed to show up for 2). Since the whoreyer's been a no-show, WTF are we payin' him for? 3). Any previous meeting with wittle Johnnie is completely forgettable by somebody of Cheney's stature.
LOL!!!!!!
Listen up, you demshits! Put down you crack pipes and pay attention! Y'all can whistle in the dark about some tintype photo of a breakfast where Cheney was forced to sit next to the little tyke at a breakfast and mentioned his name in the opening greeting, but here's a newsflash - it is customary to mention the names of every Tom, Dirk and Harry sitting at the head table at formal functions. I don't expect you plebes and cowards to know that, but it's the honest-to-gosh truth (notice I don't breath the G-word around you heathen barbarians - yeah, I said barbarians. In the U.S., only ignorant brown-shirted, jack-booted Nazi barbarians would organize a country-wide effort to physically assault members of the opposing party, and shoot up, break into, steal from and vandalize their private property. That's right, comrades, you're in the U.S., not some third-world shithole where that stuff is customary).
I digress. No photo nor name uttered at a function or a passing handshake makes a meeting, and even if it did, so what? HOW DOES THAT EXPLAIN EDWARDS' CHRONIC FAILURE TO DO HIS PRESCRIBED DUTY AS A UNITED STATES SENATOR?
To paraphrase John Kerry, WHICH IS WORSE? TO SAY SOMETHING THE WRONG WAY, OR TO BE WRONG ON THE ISSUE?
Or maybe all those nasty ol' committee meetings occurred during the little tyke's nappy time?
So, Rock, you think it was worse for Cheney to vote against the MLK holiday twenty-something years ago than it is for Kerry and Edwards to vote against body armor for our troops in the time present?
Here's a $60,000 question for you: Which do you think the American people know is vastly more important?
Meme, you said, "Cheney made a big Ass mistake saying factcheck.com when it should of been factcheck.org."
LOL! Do you realize that after Soros's moonbat commie-criers redirected the .com to Soros, people got hoppin' mad about it and went out of their way to get to .org? What that means is that even more people read the corrected info, you idiot! Now most EVERYBODY in the country knows the little tyke SUBSTANTIVELY LIED about the Haliburton thingy.
LOL!!!!
Well, well, well.......we have a winner! The prize goes to the Grapes of Wrath dude, Tom Joad.
You dun figgered it out.
Well done, Killer.
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