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Can anyone report on Tweety's appearance on the Today Show this morning? I didn't see it, but I just read that he was very critical of Cheney. This is rather confusing, or could it actually be that this bloated bloviater read the Salon piece?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6159.../site/newsweek/
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ok no one has called ABC on this paragraph
"ABC News' instant poll found more viewers thought Cheney won the debate, by a margin of 43 to 35. But as ABC anchor Peter Jennings noted, the poll was weighted heavily toward Republican respondents because the network found more Republicans watched the debate."
Who says? i am sure if ABC News had polled people ,from say, any major city they would have found PLENTY of Democrats watching the debate.
Not that any more proof is going to mean anything to Cheney and friends but the Washington Post has a story this morning about a new government report which says that Iraq definitely lacked the capacity to develope WMD's at the time we went to war.
Just learned one of my favorite Americans passed away yesterday. The coffee just doesn't taste very good this morning. Bye Rodney, I will miss you.
Josh Marshall and LiberalOasis both make excellent points. They say that while Edwards is ahead on winning by a slight margin but that there are a few more points to be pushed in the following days:
1) Iran. That cheney wanted to take sanctions off Iran, who is known to have WMDs, will be a shock to the country; and
2) because Cheney is such an integral part, or primary part is most ways, to keep hammering on Cheney's lies takes down Bush.
last night my letters were about his lies in general. Today, my letters and emails will be about cheney wanting to deal with terrorist in the form of Iran.
world@msnbc.com
hardball@msnbc.com
Hit 'em, nicely, with the lies, especially:
"Didn't meet 'em till tonight"
"Senator Gone"
Hit 'em harder with contents layed out nicely in Salon article which shows obvious Mrs Greenspan and Tweety BIAS
I saw the segment in question and yes, Tweety was very critical. It opened with the reporter playing Cheney saying that the first time he met Edwards was on the stage that night. She then hands the baton to Tweety who was quick to point out that this was a lie. Tweety then accused Cheney of lying all over the place...
Makes you wonder if he read Salon before he went on. 
so if we watch tweety etc., does that make us "crack 'hos"?
The clear loser in the debate was Chris Matthews, Andrea Mitchell and MSNBC who showed themselves clearly partisan and nonobjective.
I'm disgusted that they could allow what they consider ways to boost ratings to trump objectivity which this country badly needs.
gerbear, on Hardball's site is a video of the Today Show w/ Couric. On the right side. I can't watch it at work so I don't know how much of the show it is.
-s
Story on Cheney meeting Edwards before:
http://kyw.com/news/
topstories_s..._280083425.html
Zingers just make you look stupid if they are easily proven wrong, Dick.
I sweart I am not making this up:
TWEETY WAS AWESOME ON THE TODAY SHOW! HE TORE DICK CHENEY A NEW ONE!
He really did. After Ann Curry did a set up piece about charges back and forth b/w Edwards and Cheney, all Tweety did was rip into Cheney for lying.
First, he brought up the fact that the big dick lied about not meeting Edwards. Then he set relentless fury in the poor sap for his lying about his al qaeda/9-11 statements.
Ann Curry was getting scared, and tried to get some other points in, but Tweety wouldn't let her.
He made a big point about how MSNBC brought up the MTP tape, so perhaps he was dewfensive about last night, where apparantly it was a Cheney love-fest.
I didn't see MSNBC or Tweety last night, but this morning it was brutal for Dick.
(Tweety also said that while Edwards has a form of "cosmetics" through his good looks, Cheney's lies were cosmetics as well. Ouch!)
This is from the site Cheney wanted to send viewers to (though he got it wrong, no surprise), factcheck.org.
Cheney Plugs FactCheck
Cheney got our domain name wrong -- calling us "FactCheck.com" -- and wrongly implied that we had rebutted allegations Edwards was making about what Cheney had done as chief executive officer of Halliburton.
In fact, we did post an article pointing out that Cheney hasn't profited personally while in office from Halliburton's Iraq contracts, as falsely implied by a Kerry TV ad. But Edwards was talking about Cheney's responsibility for earlier Halliburton troubles. And in fact, Edwards was mostly right.
I'm glad I'm not crazy. Andrea Mitchell was horribly partisan after the Kerry debate, and then again last night. Nice to see I'm not the only one who thought so!
Today, Rodney gets his "respect".
Shorter Matthews:
Dick Cheney is a liar, but he's still better at Vice-Presidentin' than John Edwards.
It's true... the MSNBC post-debate coverage was bizarre. Joe Scarborough was trying to save his ass after that bout with honesty last week, but Tweets and Mrs. Greenspan were out of control.
Even David Brooks on PBS complimented Edwards.
I have a feeling that Matthews and the MSNBC crew (with the exception of R. Reagan) decided in advance that Cheney would be the clear winner, and simply hoped that the other pundits would agree. When he realized a little later that he was totally outside the mainstream, Matthews did a U-turn to save face. He's a twit with no credibility.
That is bizzarre that tweety had that reaction.
even brokaw gave tweety the smackdown in the middle of his show. when tweety interupted his jackoff panel to go to brokaw and russert, he tried to get them into the edwards bashing. brokaw basically said said - uh, no, i don't agree, edwards held his own. tweety looked embarassed, and went back to the pile on
went he got rid of brokaw.
I believe we have a new entry for the DSM-IV...TWEETY-DEPRESSIVE.
oops... I see some typos in my last post... must have coffee!
Last night I was somewhat concerned about the debate because I heard that ABC had a poll showing that Cheney won. I thought that the poll was like that of CBS, which showed Edwards a clear winner.
Well, I had a big smile when I heard that the ABC poll was of all viewers, which were skewed to rethugs.
As the indies polled over at CBS have shown, Kerry-Edwards are clearly winning this crucial block of voters.
I see a 55-45 Kerry/Edwards landslide in our future, bitches!
Missed most of Matthews last night, and Today, but he has been stalking Pork Chop Boy since at least mid-July, 2003, when he asked, regarding Plame, on Hardlyball, "Was this Scooter Libby and the Vice President's office?".
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"I'm glad I'm not crazy. Andrea Mitchell was horribly partisan after the Kerry debate, and then again last night. Nice to see I'm not the only one who thought so!
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Andrea Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan, the supposedly non-partisan Chairman of the Federal Reserve, who has been doing his best to support Bush's economic policies. I'm sure Andrea and Dick move in the same Washington social circles. She's a whore.
Kee-rist! I wish they woulda told me they were doing the GOP Convention in installments...
I keep hoping that, with Halloween coming up, Tip O'Neill will crawl out of his grave and kick in Tweety's teeth for being such a spineless hack.
Probably won't happen, but, hey, everybody needs a dream.
The MSNBC live poll changed from Edwards 62-Cheyney 38 60-30 in the last five minutes. Vote, delete cookies, vote, delete cookies...
Here's the thing: Tweety is a closet case.
He is constantly and obviously aroused on camera by whatever he feels is raw manly power. The cameras immediately after the debate last night captured him in a state of -- I kid you not -- near-orgasm.
He always does this when Bush/Cheney do these over the top, Village People masculine caricatures. He creams his jeans at their manly prowess.
"Daddy Hunger"?
Ouch!
I suspect Tweety didn't realize how fast Cheney's lies would be exposed. If there is one thing suicidal for a journalist or news-entertainer, it's by heaping support on a person who is lying through their teeth. Makes them, by extension, looking like lyin' sacks of shit.
Of course, you can always work for Faux network instead and serve shit bonbons twenty-four hours a day and actually get paid...
The great thing about last night's MSNBC Cheney orgy is that nobody watches MSNBC!
But this morning more people saw Cheney get bitch-slapped by Tweety on the Today show.
Pretty awesome!
I started watching MSNBC post debate, but gave it up after Joey was shillin' for the Dick. Joey was far too effusive for reality. While Cheney is clearly more aware and articulate than Bush, he exudes a coldness that chills my soul.
John held his own. I knew Cheney would be tough.
Spoke with my mom, who usually votes Republican, this morning. She felt Edwards "looked good." She's actually cheering for the Democrats this year ~ I'm so glad. She feels like she has a vested interest this time ~ her grandchildren.
Thank God, I was watching MSNBC and I was like, were they watching the same debate I was? I switched over to CNN and the wonks there were scoring it a draw, even going so far as to say that a draw would favor the "challnger", Edwards.
Glad Tweety got a dressing down prior to going on Today this morning, although I wouldn't mind seeing "Sybil" added as a nickname to "Tweety" and "the Spitter" to his ass.
We taped the debate and went to watch it after it was over. But first we tuned in MSNBC for a minute of post debate bullshit while the tape rewound. I don't trust Tweety and friends but they were so over-the-top negative that we thought Edwards had been left on the stage naked in the fetal position weeping for mercy.
You'd have to see it to believe it. What assholes.
You know that Chris Matthews went home that night and jacked off fantasizing that Dick Cheney was fucking him in the ass while Matthews cried out "Oh Daddy! Oh Daddy!"
'Here's the thing: Tweety is a closet case. '
Dude he is a total fag!! You called it. Creaming his jeans when Cheney donned his construction hat and pranced around like that. disgusting.
I said on Atrios last night that Mrs. Greenspan was spreading her legs in front of the entire country. My wife gets tired of me going ballistic every time I see her on TV by yelling about her totally unethical conflict of interest. NBC and its owners are a joke.
we were watching MSNBC last night--not sure how that happened--and were very alarmed at the pro-Cheney tilt in the post-mortem. It was disturbing in its apparent disregard of reality. BF said, "What is this--Bizarro World?"
But now Matthews is hitting the other side?
Tweety is one strange bird.
It was a knockout all right - but Cheney delivered the uppercut to himself.
Tweety is a tiny bird that must go the way the wind blows him.
Mr. Tweet ain't terribly sweet,
Like a sheep he's prone to bleat;
And he always makes haste,
To bend at the waist,
And let Rethugs apply the meat.
..
this is exactly what I write about on the lennon report:
http://lannonreport.blogspot.com
sorry to linkwhore, but it's a new site and I'm trying to generate a little audience.
Thanks!
In Tweety's defense (I'll pray for forgiveness for writing that later), on MSNBC they were judging on style COMPLETELY. In terms of style, Cheney was smoother than Edwards, clearly. Now, that was because Edwards couldn't believe how egregiously Cheney was lying, but there you have it.
The key moment was when Ron Reagan started to mention a "jaw-dropping" lie, that Cheney said he'd never suggested an Iraq-9/11 link. Tweety immediately interrupted in that "10 year old with ADD" way of his. Ron was off message.
I think upon sober reflection, maybe Tweety started thinking a little about SUBSTANCE, and realized how bad Cheney was. Or, he realized he'd gone south and the whole herd had gone north, and was running extra fast to catch up.
I wrote Hardball a nice letter; as follows:
Hardball with Chris Matthews was far outside the mainstream of public and pundit opinion last night when they called the debate unmitigatedly for Dick Cheney.
Even Fox News called the debate a draw, by and large. And all the newspapers and fact-checkers are rife with the lies Cheney used in the debate. In fact, if you look overall, Cheney did win the debate - if by winning you mean lying the most. Edwards may have stretched the truth occasionally, but Cheney played dirty, including the reference to Edwards' absences from the Senate. Everyone knows that those running for the national office of president or vice president are often forced to make a choice between attendance and campaigning (let's count how many days Bush has campaigned, shall we?). And how come Matthews, Scarborough, and the rest didn't remember just how many vacation days President Bush took before and after September 11th? At least Edwards had the excuse of a hard-fought primary and vice-presidential candidacy. The president himself just likes to take days off because, after all, his job is "hard work."
Time to let someone else do the hard work, and let President Bush and Dick Cheney go back into their private lives...the one to pursue leisure time, the other back to the private sector he so obviously favors.
Lynne (included was more personal information, deleted here)
jp,
if you're going to linkwhore, that's the way to do it. mostly people only get irritated here if you don't disclaim that you're linking to a personal blog. Also it's good to be careful to type the URL correctly. Nice blog btw! Love the "have you met dick" shirt.
Toes,
see you at Art Hill!
You'll know its me when John Kerry makes his appearance on an amazing-looking thoroughbred!
Kerry rocks St. Louis!
Even more disturbing than Tweety's obvious support for the Dark Lord after the debate was the giddiness he exhibited while expressing his opinion. He was giggling like a school girl! I had to turn it off. This morning on MSNBC he was a lot more sober, but still backed the veep's performance.
Leave Matthews alone - he's obviously a very sick man who probably didn't take all his meds last night. As for Andrea Mitchell, I would also cut her some slack. Can one even realize the constant pain she must be in having to use a belt sander to put her makeup on every AM?
Raleigh: In terms of style, Cheney was smoother than Edwards, clearly.
Really? I thought Cheney looked rather tired and somewhat disinterested, especially towards the end. At one point, he was talking about 9/11 and counter-terrorism while having his chin resting upon his clapsed hands. That was not good.
I thought Edwards did much better as he showed passion and that Kerry/Edwards really wanted to lead this country.
After seeing both Cheney and W, it appeared to me that their attitude is "we're all going to die if we aren't re-elected, but we would rather be doing something else."
who's voting kerry (and voted for gore in '00), b/c i'd vote for almost anyone to get bush out of there.
however, greenspan - though 'raised' republican - does everything possible NOT to take sides in politics. he has certain economic beliefs and sticks to them.
greenspan has also NOT agreed with all of bush's policies, and in fact, was more favorable to clinton than he's been to bush.
who's voting kerry (and voted for gore in '00), b/c i'd vote for almost anyone to get bush out of there.
however, greenspan - though 'raised' republican - does everything possible NOT to take sides in politics. he has certain economic beliefs and sticks to them.
greenspan has also NOT agreed with all of bush's policies, and in fact, was more favorable to clinton than he's been to bush.
who's voting kerry (and voted for gore in '00), b/c i'd vote for almost anyone to get bush out of there.
however, greenspan - though 'raised' republican - does everything possible NOT to take sides in politics. he has certain economic beliefs and sticks to them.
greenspan has also NOT agreed with all of bush's policies, and in fact, was more favorable to clinton than he's been to bush.
Gwen Ifill was an awful moderator. Unfocused questions and an apparent bias towards the VP. Also, the question about gay marriage and the Massachussetts Court somehow demonstrating that Kerry Edwards wanted it both ways was the height of pandering or clearly demonstrated someone with no understanding of the seperation of powers and federalism. The question also assumes that everyone agrees with the actions of their state.
reader,
Greenspan killed Clinton's middle class tax cut by telling him that the deficit would go through the roof if it was passed so Clinton had to scrap the idea and took to deficit reduction. Now Greenspan is in bed with the Bushies and now deficits don't seem to matter. Greenspan basically approved Bush's ridiculious tax cuts without one word about the implications to the national debt.
It's plainly clear why this country has been so F'ed up the past four years.
The President is an idiot who gets all of his advice from an unabshed liar.
I wish that Edwards would have brought up the fact that Cheney was the head of the administrations anti-terrorism task force that had ONE meeting prior to 9/11. That meeting was held on 9/10/2001. Cheney should have resigned 9/12/2001.
Greenspan is VERY partisan. He was always gloomy about the Clinton/Gore economy and when things went well, he called this "irrational exuberance".
another thing worth remembering as we look forward to friday. people will speculate on whether bush will be more prepared or if kerry will be ready for a more prepared bush.
but heres a fact - kerry is always on, he doesn't have to prepare. he said it in the last debate - "i've never wilted from anything in my life. and i've never wavered." that sent shivers down the weak spine of bush. on equal ground kerry will always destroy bush because he is by far a more exceptional man. look at their life stories. bush cannot stand side by side with kerry and appear to be the greater man. there is no way to alter the truth when the two are compared side by side.
As for Andrea Mitchell, I would also cut her some slack. Can one even realize the constant pain she must be in having to use a belt sander to put her makeup on every AM?
Not to mention all the times she comes home only to find that Big Money G has downed a fistfull of Viagra and set his cock pump on high.
Matthews came out and actually used the word Liar when criticizing Cheney this morning. He really did look upset and even issued a challenge to journalists to dive into their stocks of tape and produce the Admin's contradictory statements because they are facts and not cheap shots at the prez.
Also note an additional lie which no one has picked up on. In Cheney's desire to plug the "activist judge" meme, he said the Mass. S.Ct. made the legislature change the state constitution. They did no such thing. What the Ct. said was the refusal to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples violated the equal protection clause. They made the legislature enforce the constitution, not change it.
Tweety always follows this pattern. Watch his damn show! For a week he's been predicting that Cheney "the elder statesman" would "quietly dismantle" Edwards. That's the narrative he put in place and he viewed the debate through that filter. When it turned out to be a draw, he stuck with that meme. This is the way he operates. He forms an opinion in advance and when the chips are down he sticks to it. He's not a journalist, but a former political bit player who is over-dazzled by power. See: Russert, Tim vis-a-vis Fineman, Howard
Love Olbermann, though. Here's his latest, on Hardblogger:
A major truth foul has been declared against Vice President Dick Cheney, and his narrow victory over John Edwards in last night's Light Heavyweight Debate has been overturned by the Boxing Commission scoring the bout (me).
...
The Boxing Commission will reconvene here Friday night for Bush-Kerry II, the Kablooey in St. Louie.
Yep. Matthews was on Cheney's lies this morning. Like white on rice.
I don't know exactly what kicked Chris over the edge but he's pissed. Finally.
It's about damn time that he really honored Tip.
We'll see if this lasts as long as his "outrage" over Clinton and Monica did.
I do not get Bill Kristol's assessment, though.
While Edwards made some of his biggest screw-ups in the foreign policy half (in not adaquately clarifying Kerry's positions), I thought he was able to keep Cheney fully on his toes and looking like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
OTOH - I thought that Edwards was missing a certain spark in the domestic half he should have been able to win hands down.
Of course, it didn't help that Cheney was lying about Edwards' performance as a Sen., etc.
Tweety must have watched the Jon Steward show!
Har.
Remember: that show is comedy. Tweety is serious. This is why Tweety has to play catch up with Jon.
Hell, I think I'll write MSNBC and politely ask if Olbermann can take over on debate hosting.
Tweety sucked. Olbermann may not have the gravitas, but he isn't an embarrasment, either.
The most asinine thing (of the many asinine things he said) Cheenee said was when he called Edwards a liar (not in so many words) about the 90% of the casualities in Iraq being Americans. His retort was that 90% of the casualities were Iraqi forces that were with us. That is complete bullshit.
While it is obvious that the greatest percentage of killed in the war are Iraqis (fer us or agin us), the whole point the bastard was making was stupid. OF COURSE most of the god damn people killed would be Iraqis...
We are bombing the shit out of them. As to whether the 90% Cheeenee referred to were really on out side is a debating point.
I wish Edwards would have reached across the table and knocked the shit out of Cheenee.
'You know that Chris Matthews went home that night and jacked off fantasizing that Dick Cheney was fucking him in the ass while Matthews cried out "Oh Daddy! Oh Daddy!"'
And I thought it was Andrew ("I do think that Cheney is way sexier than Edwards") Sullivan who had the hots for the VP. It's so hard to keep track of all the homoerotic crushes going on among the right-wingers.
Tweety always follows this pattern. Watch his damn show! For a week he's been predicting that Cheney "the elder statesman" would "quietly dismantle" Edwards. That's the narrative he put in place and he viewed the debate through that filter. When it turned out to be a draw, he stuck with that meme. This is the way he operates. He forms an opinion in advance and when the chips are down he sticks to it. He's not a journalist, but a former political bit player who is over-dazzled by power. See: Russert, Tim vis-a-vis Fineman, Howard
Tweety is the real flip-flopper. He made up his mind that Cheney would win, and stuck with that conclusion afterwards. Then he noticed that nobody else thought Cheney blew Edwards away, so he decided he needed to right the ship by going after Cheney on Today. The man doesn't appear to be capable of independent thought.
Also, could MSGOP pick a worse panel of hacks for postgame? From the allegedly nonpartisan Andrea Mitchell, who is actually as nonpartisan as her allegedly nonpartisan husband, to Joe "I am a Republican, but trust me, I'm completely objective" Scarborough... Do they even try to have a decent recap?
That was positively weird. I watched 5 minutes of it before my stomach began to convulse, and I flipped around expecting more of the same, and actually saw fairly rational (if not very insightful) analysis elsewhere else. MSGOP needs some new blood - the inbreeding is screwing them up.
The "inbreeding" at MSFOX isn't due to sex. They reproduce by fission.
Salon puts tweety and crew in their place.
I despise the slobbering, fatuous
Tweety. I just do. And Mrs. Greenspan should be bannished to Afghanistan to spare us her utterly foolish drivlel.
The most amazing bit of the post-debate
cum-fest on MSNBC was when they slapped
Ron Reagan down for daring to suggest
that Edwards did well. Ron actually
seemed to shrink after the panel gave
him the evil eye....
I wish Edwards would have reached across the table and knocked the shit out of Cheenee.
Must be testing Star Wars. Holoscan keeps eating posts and nothing loads correctly. OY!
Anyhoo, you should check out the posts from yesterday for a laugh riot. My personal favorite was a suggestion that Edwards bring a microwave oven to the event and set it to *stun*.
Anyhoo, you should check out the posts from yesterday for a laugh riot. My personal favorite was a suggestion that Edwards bring a microwave oven to the event and set it to *stun*.
heh...heh...heh...
That is really funny. It would be great to see Edwards punch in about 5 minutes on the timer and nuke that son of a bitch. Cheennee doing the gator would have made me watch more than the 2 minutes I actually watched...
In truth, I was banned from the room and from watching elsewhere in the house because when Dick-boy started his BS, I started screaming at the TV and was ousted.
is it just me or does andrea mitchell look more equine as the debates go on?
style? The idea that Cheney won on style is bizarre: he rarely looks up to try to talk with someone so that he comes across as completely unconcerned, and the guy rubs his hands together like a miser counting gold.
Time to bombard MSNBC with e mails demanding that Andrea Greenspan no longer sit on Tweety's post-debate panels. We did it to Frank Luntz, we could do the same to her. Enough of this bullshit.
'Here's the thing: Tweety is a closet case. '
Dude he is a total fag!! You called it. Creaming his jeans when Cheney donned his construction hat and pranced around like that. disgusting.
- Stonewall Steve 10.06.04 - 11:06 am
Maybe I really am just getting too PC, but I'm finding the homophobic posts that seem to pop up on just about every thread a little disheartening. Wouldn't you guys have more fun playing with your Little Green FootBalls?
Chris Matthews is just that type of bully dog who goes belly up and pisses all over himself when a bigger, more alpha dog comes in the room. Cheney always gives him wood, and then to be surrounded by Andrea Greensperm and Scarface just pushed the yappy pug over the edge. Glad he's come to his senses. One thing you can count on is it won't last.
After the debate in 2000, Tweety said that Gore "cleaned his clock". I remember it well. In Jeff Greenfield's book a year or so later, he's quoted as believing that Bush won, what with Gore's sighing and all. Don't get you hopes up by his performance on the today show. He's a complete whore, as bad as Little Russ.
The Salon article pissed me off because the whole daddy-thing (from the title) wasn't developed in the article. The whole reason *why* Tweety was so deliberately and obviously biased never got explored.
Who's your Daddy, Chrissy, and WHY? That's what I want to read about (and what I want his masculinity confronted by).
For those that don't know, Gwen Ifill and Condi Rice are best friends. Something about having Mac and Chesse recipes in common, (I ain't making that up.)
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