I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
First?
This is stupid. Every conversation has to have women in it? Get a life!!
it's frequently lumped in with "family" issues which is just code for "stuff adult chicks care about"
Heh.
Why should they notice? Must we delude ourselves into thinking they actually care?
Truly, I've given up on the MSM. I don't even remember the last time I watched a nightly news show, let alone the Sunday "funnies."
Has someone every tried to figure out the percentage of female guests on the bobblehead shows? I'm guessing it's 10% or less.
when women are over 50% of the population and there's a panel of 6 people plus moderator, I'd say that, yes, there should be women.
Armando at DailyKos posts the guest list for the bobblehead shows every Saturday night. An intrepid blogger other than me could go through the archives for the last year or email him and figure out the male/female ratio.
Dang ol' bunch of hairy-leggers...
-Boomhauer
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OT, but here's some important info on a Stop John Bolton campaign.
Let's see, here's the rundown of participants from Daily Kos:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D) and former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)
THIS WEEK : Reps. David Joseph Weldon (R-Fla.) and Barney Frank (D-Mass.); Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, archbishop of Washington, and author Rick Warren.
FACE THE NATION : Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) and Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.
MEET THE PRESS : Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) and authors Reza Aslan, the Rev. Robert F. Drinan, Richard Land, Jon Meacham and Jim Wallis.
LATE EDITION : Gen. John Abizaid; Javad Zarif, Iranian ambassador to the United Nations; and the Revs. Jerry Falwell, founder of Liberty University, and Al Sharpton, founder of National Action Network.
That's one woman out of 19 total guests; 5.263%
This is stupid. Every conversation has to have women in it? Get a life!!
Totally. Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks. Now make me a sandwich.
Actually, OH, I did just that for one day, anyway. Based on today, your percentage was generous.
Out of 19 guests [Armando mentioned http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...3/26/20364/
1932] on dKos, only one (Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz) was female.
I can dig around in the archives if desired ... I have nothing but time. I'm an academic on spring break. 
Maybe because religious bloviating is not a female forte?
Well, I futzed up the link, but someone beat me to it anyway. Never mind.
Damn Haloscan. And damn me for switching back and forth between here and dKos and forgetting that this site doesn't support the same tags.
We're just walking egg sacs.
Condi Rice and Karen Hughes are the only women that matter to America now. (As long as that devil dog Hillary stays quiet.)
“God made men to take care of women, to protect them, to help them with their jackets and make sure nobody else messes with them.” – Jerry Falwell
When is Russert writing a book about his mother?
Atrios sez:
Chicks With Opinions
I don' like 'em.
(I keed, I keed)
I don't have anything to add to the obvious point.
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I can dig around in the archives if desired ... I have nothing but time. I'm an academic on spring break.
Do it!
Easter joke:
What do you call an elderly Jesus?
A Jeezer.......
Maybe because religious bloviating is not a female forte?
I take it you've never seen Rexella Van Impe?
On the other hand, I can't think of any females who watch pumpkinhead.
Sinfonian, be careful! Ann Coulter and her schlong might skew your data.
To be honest, though, I'd rather see an all-male panel of guests than see Ann Coulter or Dr. Laura on one of those shows. The "fairer sex", my ass...
Maybe part of the problem is that religions have been so consistent in holding women back, that most intelligent, thinking women have turned their backs on organized religion.
You know, I honestly thought we were finished with this shit. I feel like I am right back in 1966 when my high school counselor told me not to bother with college. I was pretty enough to get married soon, she told me, so I really did not need any more education.
"We're just walking egg sacs.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 03.27.05 - 1:15 pm | # "
You forgot jiz receptacles...
FlipYrWhig sez:
Rexella Van Impe
H-h-h-otttt.
Maybe not really. But the End Times are near! King Juan Carlos is the AntiChrist!
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Keep in mind that at least a couple of denominations don't let women become clergy. This phenomenon will naturally produce a skew in the experts who go on panel shows, simply by skewing the pool from whom the invitees might be drawn.
I take it you've never seen Rexella Van Impe?
You're right, I haven't. And -- I'm gonna go out on a limb here -- I could probably live the rest of my life quite comfortably without ever doing so.
But I'm certain Pumpkinhead would unearth somebody like that to balance the estrogen level at the table before he'd ask someone sensible like Pema Chodron to take part.
So, here's a question -- if you were in charge of putting a woman on Pumpkinhead's religious panel, who would it be?
Every conversation has to have women in it? Get a life!!
No, but once in a while it might be a good idea. Not every, but some.
And hey! Not every conversation has to have a man in it either, but guess what? On MSM talks shows, every conversation does.
Get a life? Get a brain.
You forgot jiz receptacles...
Well, in the eyes of the Lord, that's the point.
OK, there should be some women on the panel but the real atrocity here is the complete lack of atheists or even an openly avowed agnostic. You had a bunch of religious poeple who had no intention of saying anything discomforting about religion itself or to point out the strong secularist hand in writing the constitution, which the religios right is now trying to turn into some holy document devoid of much of its original meaning. It's ridiculous to have this discussion without an articulate secular spokesperson. That's the main problem. The lack of woman is significant but secondary.
OK, there should be some women on the panel but the real atrocity here is the complete lack of atheists or even an openly avowed agnostic. You had a bunch of religious poeple who had no intention of saying anything discomforting about religion itself or to point out the strong secularist hand in writing the constitution, which the religios right is now trying to turn into some holy document devoid of much of its original meaning. It's ridiculous to have this discussion without an articulate secular spokesperson. That's the main problem. The lack of woman is significant but secondary.
"Sinfonian, be careful! Ann Coulter and her schlong might skew your data.
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 03.27.05 - 1:19 pm | # "
mAnn Coulter is a dominant female hyena with a pseudopenis becouse of exceessive androgen production.
No Chicks. No Peeps. Just blatant, latent manlove. I wonder which intern gets to hose down the set each week? Probably takes like 12 gallons of Purex and a flame thrower.
To be honest, though, I'd rather see an all-male panel of guests than see Ann Coulter or Dr. Laura on one of those shows.
Anbody who's been on BartCop knows Dr. Laura is anatomcially a woman, but does Ann Thrax really fall in that category?
if you were in charge of putting a woman on Pumpkinhead's religious panel, who would it be?
Karen Armstrong?
Do they have to be "religious"? Then too many to mention.
Let's not turn this into Kevin Drum's site.
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Do we call him pumpkinhead because his head is fat and lumpy like a pumpkin?
Braintree,
I concur heartily. But non-believers are worse than pedophiles to Americans.
I always get this befuddled look after I say I don't know if god exists. It's like you have a disease or something.
I care deeply about family issues. This is why subjects such as the Middle East situation, the economy, propaganda whoremongers, and bad social and health policy matter so much.
"Well, in the eyes of the Lord, that's the point.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 03.27.05 - 1:23 pm | # "
The Lord is a pervert....
Peeps sez:
No Chicks. No Peeps. Just blatant, latent manlove. I wonder which intern gets to hose down the set each week? Probably takes like 12 gallons of Purex and a flame thrower.
I'm contacting the company and telling them that you are off-message.
Peeps Police
Atheism is the disease that is slowly killing the game of golf. That, and slow play. And, carts. And also, the beer girl.
Watertiger, have you seen the newest Whiskas commercial? Your clan is in it.
Let's not turn this into Kevin Drum's site
Right. Let's keep the conversation on the level of "jiz receptacles" where it belongs.
Frist!
Because a woman might bring up how people actually live their lives, not theoretical bullshitting?
No one should be surprised at the lack of women on a panel on "faith."
After all, most of the evangelical cults are totally into the "women should be submissive" garbage.
Personally, I'm totally sick of this whole "faith in america" bullshit.
It makes me want to puke.
Wow, the ultimate sunday bobblehead experience:
A Czech tractor driver died under eight tons of manure in a bizarre accident that has baffled his employers, local media reported.
The 34-year old man suffocated after the load fell on him while he was dumping it in a field.
FlipYrWhig: I take it you've never seen Rexella Van Impe?
Ah, Cruella DeVille, yeah. Mom got me a Jack Van Impe bible last year for Xmas. I think I got $47 for it on eBay.
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What about a recepticle for your spilled santorum?
Russert --got everything from his dad including a pandering book we never hear about his mother...which could explain his inability to recognize women with opinions
Russert is on the air because he is acceptable to Republicans not because he brings any intelligent discussion to the table
Once again proving the right doesn't give a crap about anything except conitnuing the right of white men to make all decisions
Count me out of this one, Artios.
The issue isn't female v. male as we get all sorts of right wing females on these shows including when the topic is international or economic issues.
The real crime of these programs is their failure to have ideological balance, something most of the liberal-left blogoshere recongizes. If there was ideological balance on t.v. and radio political commentary, we'd see and hear Barbara Ehrenriech, Katha Pollitt, and Molly Ivins on a lot more than we do (Katrina Van Huevel has been on, so give a point to Scarborough on that). If we're looking for parity, let's start with having those commentators who happen to be women on at least as much as Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Peggy "Dolphin" Noonan, and Susan "Democrat in self-statement only" Estrich.
If putting more females on means more Susan Estrich, Laura Ingraham, or the woman behind the web site called Wonkette, then count me out of this "civil rights" struggle. I'll stick with the class or ideological struggle on this one.
Since when has it become "faith" and not "religion." Why isn't it "religion in America?"
Let's not turn this into Kevin Drum's site.
Yeah, let's just keep it to "blatant, latent manlove," where it belongs.
Chicks with Opinions.. are you talking about Peeps? I guess it would help if I read your post.
Faith also has secular connotations. Why do they want to ruin the word?
Has someone every tried to figure out the percentage of female guests on the bobblehead shows? I'm guessing it's 10% or less.
Old Hat
And how many of that 10% or less are liberal? There's a huge portion of the population who have no voice in the MSM.
The Sunday talk shows choose moderates or conservatives as guests on a routine basis. That limits the debate - and that's what the corporate media wants.
They're starting to see the backlash from that practice, with the increase in popularity of the blogs, and progressive talk radio.
If someone, in a position to make it happen, could start a progressive cable news channel, it would be successful, too.
I don't understand why this hasn't happened by now.
And hey! Not every conversation has to have a man in it either, but guess what? On MSM talks shows, every conversation does.
It's a great point. If they had an all-female panel, you can bet they'd feel obliged to offer some kind of explanation for deviating from the norm.
Because there's always the chance that they might, you know, start kissing.
I thought "family issues" was an all purpose code for the wing-nut fetish DuJour
Since when has it become "faith" and not "religion." Why isn't it "religion in America?"
Bloodthirsty Muslimoid fantatics are "religious."
That santimonious, flaming closet case who wrote The Purpose Driven Life has "faith."
The White,Patocracy is rapacious, vampire snake that from time to time
rises from its lair for a bloodmeal and a sermon. Then, it updates its IPod and stocks up on spicy jerky.
If you were in charge of putting a woman on Pumpkinhead's religious panel, who would it be?
Elaine Pagels? Sister Mary Scullion? Annie Lamott?
Quiltsquito
You know, I honestly thought we were finished with this shit. I feel like I am right back in 1966 when my high school counselor told me not to bother with college. I was pretty enough to get married soon, she told me, so I really did not need any more education.
That sounds like my counselors, one of which (in 1962) told me to become a medical technologist because I could "always get a job if I was widowed."
Weren't the old days just full of hope and glory?
Since when has it become "faith" and not "religion." Why isn't it "religion in America?"
Because faith is a softer word.
It's okay to say you have "faith." What they should be saying is that they have "religious fanaticism syndrome."
That would be more honest.
Sinfonian, be careful! Ann Coulter and her schlong might skew your data.
Dont forget its Madams Apple™.
i actually noted an all-female foreign policy panel on Meet The Tim last month. at the time i assumed he was pandering as it was during the summer's dust-up at harvard.
but overall, as much as i loathe russert, i dont think he does a terrible job vis-a-vis gender and guests. (id love to see some statistics.) although in this case, he is obviously negligent. but as a poster above stated, the atheists are underrepresented as well. reminds me a bit of what tim burke had to say on the subject. we shouldnt be fighting for the equality of banality.
Honestly I'm a little frightened of all this attention religiosity is getting in the corporate media.
They're mainstreaming it- making it sound like those of us who don't agree are whacked or something.
When I tell people I'm not a christian they look at me like I have 2 heads. Of course I'm in Texas.
I'm thinking we're not far off from a time where you must be a "christian" to hold a public office or to even get a job. Feh.
Would anyone tell my how you can remain a R Catholic and still call yourself a Democrat or Progressive?
Washington Cardinal on the Staph-whore sunday show today claims that the Democratic party is anti-life.
Are Cardianls imune from being called a fuckiing LIAR? Course Staphacocca did not question the bastard on his lie.
Except for Wallis all these religious types seem to come from the far-right specturm of Xians in america. Where are other representatives of the liberal churches? Anybody from the UU, or the UCC? From the moderate branches of the Methodist or other Protestant churches?
Elaine Pagels would be great -- she could deconstruct all that hypocritical gassbagging in a flash. Whether she would do it or not, now there's the question...
As I have noticed, we leave all sots of folks out of all sorts of discussions, especially when were talking about their issues; why not leave women out whrn were talking about their issues too? Heck, its the old white mans playpen anyhow.
When I was realllllly young and stupider than I am now, I thought all women must be feminists just because they were women. Now I know differently. We have a critical mass of dumb folks sucking down propaganda...like qualudes to help them sleep...to help them wash the bood from their ignorant hands.
And thts how a porly funded public education keeps the masses quiet.
aside from all this...life is just frakin fine!
So, here's a question -- if you were in charge of putting a woman on Pumpkinhead's religious panel, who would it be?
Sister Alice Prejean
Riane Eisler
Kathleen Norris
and...
Tina Turner (we need a Buddhist on the panel)
I'll tell you why Russert won't write a book about his mother.
It's because it's a painful subject for him. He's scared of examining his feelings on it.
It's so much easier to write fluff about your old man than deal with the complexity of where you stand with your mom.
And, thus, all women...
Right, Tim?
When I tell people I'm not a christian they look at me like I have 2 heads. Of course I'm in Texas.
I think "Christian" has been hijacked by a lot of people whose faith isn't as important as their heritage.
A lot of people seem to think "Christian" means "white and not muslim or buddhist or hindi". It's not about Jeebus, it's about not being not-Jeebus.
There's also the underlying "not Christian means no morals or values" concept. If you're not Xian, you must be a blood-drinking felon that kidnaps children and pees on the flag.
Faith? ennnnh, whatever...
Feminism is about justice and equality. Feminists eat more Peeps on a per capita basis than anyone else (except cannibal Peeps). Plus, Feminists never leave a vile residue on the set of MTP.
If you were in charge of putting a woman on Pumpkinhead's religious panel, who would it be?
Lithwick or Ken Mehlman
I think the idea that morality cannot exist without religion is cute. Until it becomes dangerous.
fourlegsgood - Honestly I'm a little frightened of all this attention religiosity is getting in the corporate media.
They're mainstreaming it- making it sound like those of us who don't agree are whacked or something.
I agree with this. It makes me uncomfortable. Why is "faith" something that should be discussed on political talk shows?
I made the mistake of turning into Timmy's show today. The first thing I noticed was the conspicious omission of women on a show designated to debating the role of faith in America.
I then turned it off.
I think the idea that morality cannot exist without religion is cute. Until it becomes dangerous.
That's one of their great arguments to prove Xianity, shirty. The idea that man could Never have any moral compass unless god had made it so. Which seems interesting when held alongside the "born into sin" theory.
God sure likes to play keepaway sometimes... what a tease!
I agree with this. It makes me uncomfortable. Why is "faith" something that should be discussed on political talk shows?
It is a necessary blurring of the lines, to set up the foundation for "A new Theocratic America"
Okay, Old Hat, I did the math. First of all, credit where credit is due: the diaries came from Jamato, not from Armando. Armando merely re-posts them to the main page.
The data, then: during 2005, there have been 237 guests on the Sunday morning talk shows, as tallied by Jamato. This includes all duplicates (for example, if Donald Rumsfeld or Condi Rice appeared on three shows in one Sunday, I counted them three times). Of those, 28, or 11.8%, were women.
Some days were better than others. The high water mark for women was Feb. 20, when 7 of 16 guests were women. March 20, though, saw no women among the 23 guests. Generally it was one or two women (that happened in 10 of the 13 weeks). The other big anomaly was January 30, when there were 5 appearances by women, but 4 of those were by Condi.
So, your estimate was, as we say in the business, pretty damn close.
Russert's panel is so ironic. Women are the core of every church (Christian, that is). I would guess the number of women to men on a given Sunday ('cept Christmas and Easter, when the "2 day a year" Christians show up) is a 60/40 split, if not more lopsided. That is one of the great paradoxes of Christianity, if not all organized religions, while men ofter run the show, it is the women - the huge numbers of them, that keep the show going. I truely believe if women stayed home, alot of this crap would end.
It makes me uncomfortable. Why is "faith" something that should be discussed on political talk shows?
I really agree. I think the MSM is trying to desensitize us to the incongruity.
"Faith in America" is also a code for Christian and Jewish. You often hear people talk about the Christian faith or the Jewish faith, but have you ever heard anyone say the word Buddhist faith. I haven't. If it's mentioned at all, it's the Buddhist religion. Scroll down and look at the panel -- there are no women, but there are also no Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, Wiccans, Native American Church, etc. It all goes back to the meme: we are a Judeo-Christian country, with most of the emphasis laid on the Christian part.
Fuck 'em. I'm tired of living in their exclusive little theocracy.
Has someone every tried to figure out the percentage of female guests on the bobblehead shows? I'm guessing it's 10% or less.
Old Hat
Actually, FAIR just did a study on this one. You can probably find it on their website. The numbers varied by the show but mostly they were around one in four.
wow. even congressional representation by women is better than 11%.
This makes me wonder just how far behind America is in the number of women who are public figures whose opinions count for something. To me, it is just incredible that India and Pakistan have had women prime ministers, and America still hasn't even had a woman VP.
Atrios sez:
wow. even congressional representation by women is better than 11%.
Compared to what?
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This makes me wonder just how far behind America is in the number of women who are public figures whose opinions count for something
White women?
I accidentally spotted a black man on a CBS show this morning. On closer inspection, it made sense; was a local program with Charlie Rangel as guest.
Tena -
It's because we're Godly.
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To me, it is just incredible that India and Pakistan have had women prime ministers, and America still hasn't even had a woman VP.
And Israel. And Great Britain.
But, you know, American women are so emotional. Especially at "that time of the month." Or if they're pre-menopausal. And what if she gets pregnant?
Besides, we know the husband would be the real leader. Because, if he wasn't, what kind of a wuss would he be?
It all goes back to the meme: we are a Judeo-Christian country, with most of the emphasis laid on the Christian part.
Fuck 'em. I'm tired of living in their exclusive little theocracy.
Toonscribe
Speaking as a Christian pastor:
I'm with Toonscribe.
Why Lieberman? Because he's Jewish? Why not a Muslim? Or a Black Muslim? A Buddhist? A Hindu? Etc., etc., etc.
A woman pastor? A lesbian pastor? (That'd really blow Tim's ratings, wouldn't it?) On and on and on.
But it's you bloggers who don't have ethics, remember! Unless, of course, the media picks up on your stories, and makes national news out of 'em. Then you don't have credit.
Except as "bloggers."
Oops. Did I cross threads?
My $.02: hell yes, women should be part of "every" discussion. If by "every" you mean any discussion going on television, radio, or on the editorial pages of newspapers. To exclude one half of the population for a purely discriminatory reason -- their gender -- is appalling. As for you, Mitchell Friedman, assuming that women on a news panel would necessarily have to include the likes of Ann Coulter & Laura Ingraham is a big fat fuckin' straw man. Most of us can't suggest any women to put on the panel because we don't know any high-profile, reasonable women commentators because...well, do the math.
That said: Anna Quindlen. Sue Monk Kidd. Anne Lamott. Any female minisiter or rabbi. Our own Hecate, for that matter.
next thing you tell me atrios, you'll say that there aren't enough black, latin or asian people on these shows either!
the horror! what will i tell the children?
Ok. Here are a couple of FAIR studies on the various groups in political programming. First a 2002 data set which looks at political, racial and gender breakdowns:
2002
And here's a recent study which looks at racial breakdown in greater detail:
2005
count me in with whomever above said that we need to give women an alternative to going to these churches. women are looking for a lot of things when they go, not always the misogyny either. i had a prof who did a lot of work in egypt, where women were forming 'peity groups' free from the oversight of an male religious leader. they were quite the revolutionary places, given the cultural background of the women who went.
a lot of these churches and tv organizations would suffer if the women in their ranks had better places to spend the money.
Should Condi be counted as a woman?
I posted more details on the Sunday news show misogyny here. Have at it.
This is stupid. Every conversation has to have women in it? Get a life!!
(Male poster?)
Anyway, just the interesting ones.
Robert - I cited India and Pakistan instead of Israel and Britain on purpose. Maybe you got that, but in India they are still throwing acid on brides who don't measure up - yet they've had a female head of state.
If enough people speak nicely to Ann Colter, she will show all how to women can stand AND piss.
In the same vein, there is a female dog in my neighborhood who marks her territory just like a male dog, by hiking her leg and directing a urine stream on a target. Only time I have ever seen such a thing. Since this is Bush Country, I am hoping none of these repuke fundies see her as they might kill her as a mistake of nature.
Sent the following to Timmeh:
Dear Mr. Russert:
I turn on Meet the Press this morning, and what do I see? A group of men in dark suits around a table, talking about religion.
Is there any reason why, in a discussion about faith in America, that you had a whole roundtable full of white men in suits (ok, so Reza Aslan was on as a token), and not a single woman? After all, you were talking on Easter, the holiest day in the Christian religious calendar. You should know, or remember, that the first people to witness to the resurrected Jesus were, in fact, women (e.g., Mary Magdalene). Why, oh why, did you leave women out, when there are many, many articulate women of faith that you could have invited onto your show.
Or is your program the modern TV equivalent of what's happened to women in Christianity over the last two millennia--at best marginalized and ignored, at worse demonized?
Robert - I cited India and Pakistan instead of Israel and Britain on purpose. Maybe you got that, but in India they are still throwing acid on brides who don't measure up - yet they've had a female head of state.
No disrespect meant, and no, I glided by any implications in my haste to be snarky.
Excellent point. I hadn't considered that in India, despite the caste system and brutal suppression of women, that women still could have political power.
Without being criticized as harpies.
Funny we can't to that much. Of course, Thatcher had to have brassier balls than the men in Britain, so I don't know how much more advanced they are, really.
i saw a talk show on pbs this morn with a liberal woman reporter on it, and they mostly tried to shut her up.
for the love of god, i can't find it now. i think it was the laughlin report, and i think the woman was from newsweek (?) and i just remember pat buchanan on it because i wanted to slap him.
Yes, well, thanks for noticing.
Say, it's the 21st century, right? Well, somewhere it's the 21st century.
Robert - No disrespect meant, and no, I glided by any implications in my haste to be snarky.
No disrespect taken, Robert. I just saw that maybe I hadn't made my point, and apparently I hadn't.
The other thing about this country that I think is important to question is why it is that one of the most politically powerful, well-known women in the country is so damned hated. I've never understood what it is about Hillary Clinton that drives so many people crazy, unless it's because she is smart, outspoken and powerful. Or maybe it's just because she's married to Bill - I don't know. I've never been able to understand it.
it was the mclaughlin group, and when the liberal woman tried talking about terry schiavo, she was basically told to shut up, and then they let tony blankly who manages to avoid even answering the questions spew off for about 5 minutes.
it was pathetic.
Tena-- it is probably all those things.
She is seen as threat to the male dominated society.
a woman president? when was there ever a woman vice president? the only candidate was geraldine ferraro, and look what they did to her.
what it is about Hillary Clinton that drives so many people crazy, unless it's because she is smart, outspoken and powerful.
And you don't understand why....?
Of course, Thatcher had to have brassier balls than the men in Britain, so I don't know how much more advanced they are, really.
Yes, it's hard to know how much weight to give to the fact that the UK had a female PM, when Mrs Thatcher came to power and stayed there precisely by out-testosteroning the men around her.
And as for the US, we can never have a female leader because, as the Onion pointed out, a female President might menstruate over an important piece of legislation.
And as for the US, we can never have a female leader because, as the Onion pointed out, a female President might menstruate over an important piece of legislation.
Or worse, have a cow.
They asked me, but I WAS TOO BUSY LAUGHING! Plus, my wife made me go to church services today.
You know, I've been thinking again (sorry) and I think you folks don't realize the potential of a subversive campaign to undermine the standing of the relgious right on moral issues.
First we point out the numerous, verifiable cases in which President Bush has lied (i.e. claiming that Saddam wouldn't let inspefdctors in when he had to pull out Hans Blix in order to start the war - there are plenty others). If you're a Christian aren't you supposed to tell the truthy. And if Christians are serious about being Christians why aren't they upset about the fact that the most well-known Christian in the nation is a demonstrably chronic liar. Put THEM on the defensive. Go after them forcefully for not living up to their own stated beliefs. If they want to make religion an issue fine. You don't have to be a believer to attack them for being hypocrites. Instead of complaining, attack.
And you don't understand why....?
I don't know, GWPDA - it seems too easy somehow, too pat to just write it all off onto chauvinism. Maybe that is all it is - maybe I'm the one who doesn't get it.
I'm afraid GWPDA got it.
I still remember, in the late '60's, when a woman wore a "pantsuit" to our little church. Regular church member, too. Later, she got herself elected as a Deacon (Presbyterian church).
The women talked about it for ages. They were outraged. First, the pants, instead of a dress. Then a "leader" of the church, but not from behind the covered dish table.
Got over it, of course, and never looked back. But at the time, they'd have been more understanding if she'd dressed like a street-walker and chewed bubble gum during the service.
it seems too easy somehow, too pat to just write it all off onto chauvinism.
No, dear, it's fear. Personal fear, extended fear, fear of change, fear of losing, fear of not understanding, or not being.... It's not a pat answer, it is the answer. Fear of the unknown, fear of the other, it's all the same. Fear of someone else being better, fear that the little hands clinging to little powers will slip.... You can see it every day, you can see it in Santorum's eyes when he shreiks, in Delay's - God, I wouldn't be Nancy Pelosi for anything in the world, that kind of fear is so toxic that being in the same room is polluting.
Anyway. That's what I've found, over the years. It's fear.
Not sure if the thread is dead, but that's a striking story, RMJ. So often it's women who really love to keep other women in "their place."
My sister-in-law (well, Canada recognizes my gay marriage) is a smart, successful accountant at a good firm. Her husband is a struggling, currently unemployed, student/social worker without her education or accomplishments. (Not a slam, he's just not a "success" in conventional terms.) Yet She's the one who insists they stay at the church where she's not allowed to vote on church business or serve in any leadership position, and he is.
And of course, she hates Hillary and feminism and "priestesses" and any woman who would presume to stand up and preach at a church.
If you were in charge of putting a woman on Pumpkinhead's religious panel, who would it be?
Sister Joan Chittister, Catholic, feminist and truly intellectual and funny.
Rexella Van Impe
That woman is craaaaazy. The vacant stare alone is enough to kill small animals and children.
And what's with her dad's hair, anyway? He needs to get some fabulous help with that, ASAP.
It would be pretty hard to put a female Catholic priest on.
Have I got a "Faith in America" panel for Tim:
Amy Goodman
Barbara Ehrenreich
Naomi Klein
Katha Pollitt
Maureen Dowd
Randi Rhodes
Laura Flanders
Rachel Maddow
A rhetorical question:
I wonder if Tim would emerge alive -- and with his fragile testicles intact -- from such a round table?
Somehow, I rather doubt it.
Still, go ahead, Tiny Tim, I double dare you!
This is the comment I sent
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Your "faith" segment today was an american journalism atrocity. White guys, "talkin bout god"
Mr. Russert, I find it hard to believe that you could not find one person that happened to also be a female who could discuss "Faith" and "God" Mr. Russert I find it difficult to believe that you could not find one person from our planet with skin slightly darker then your own that would be willing to discuss "Faith" and "God" I find it hard to believe that you could not find one additional white male who might not believe in "God" who would have a comment or two on your topic.
I believe that you either "very lazy" or "very bigoted" when it comes to selecting your guests.
If you can't bother to offer commentary and voice on an issue as important as "Faith" and "God" across the entire human spectrum, across the entire American diversity of humans then I suggest you retire early and get started on your AM radio career
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Email Meet the Press today and voice your displeasure with his choice of guests and topics at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/
her eyes, McLaughlin allows Pat Buchanan and especially Fat Tony to bully Elanor Cliff(sp?)every Sunday morning. McLaughlin keeps letting the abuse continue and Pat and Tony love it. This has been going on for months and it truly is disgusting. Elanor is the voice of reason on the show but the bullies always manage to shout her dowm.
I, for one, vote for Hecate as a spokeswoman of faith. WhyTF izit that the SCLM has only men on their faith-based panel? Could it be that the SCLM is nothing of the kind? Could it be that Legend of Sleepy Hollow Head/Pumpkinhead Russert is a sexist Rethug pig? All of the above?
"And God created humankind in his/her image; man and female created he/she them."
For the want of a gender-generic third person personal pronoun, the world was lost...
The pen is truly mightier than the sword.
And, of course, the religions discussed all appear to be variations of abrahamic religions; in other words, religions that don't worship female divinity. Interesting in light of how many Hindus there are in the world. Forget Wiccans. Also, no Buddhists? No aboriginal people from this or any other continent? Nope. Only sky/thunder/father gods. Totally relevant, since we're still a group of nomadic herders.
No, we're not.
This post coming from someone who has his own "sausage fest" problems.. Maybe you should have an all female link day where all you do is link to female blogs.
If you want to know why this stuff happens, always follow the money.
WHO watches Meet the Press? Who advertises during Meet the Press?
This is exactly what I mean. If I had been in Russert's position, one of the first names I would have thought of would be Amy Sullivan, but they didn't think of it? It's just plain ridiculous.
There's a lot of that going around. It's one thing when it's, say, Atrios doing it; it's a whole 'nother matter when it's peole who gets paid to think of this stuff.
Russert and the clowns that run his show always have something amiss in their choice of guests, balance or inclusion is not part of the equation when you are pandering to the right wing as Russert and most of the media are today.
PEACE!
When women get on TV, they are not judged on what they say, they are judged on what they wear and if they can attract male viewers.
http://www.museum.tv/archives/
et...craftchrist.htm
There are some American women Buddhist teachers/priests who are revered in Buddhist circles and would would have made an awesome contribution to Russert's sausagefest. Pema Chodron and Bonnie Myotai Treace come to mind.
"This is stupid. Every conversation has to have women in it? Get a life!!
Willem "
Don't you belong over at Freeperville?
Condi Rice and Karen Hughes are the only women that matter to America now. (As long as that devil dog Hillary stays quiet.)
“God made men to take care of women, to protect them, to help them with their jackets and make sure nobody else messes with them.” – Jerry Falwell
Ripley
Karen Hughes is a woman???
Jerry FOULwell can kiss my ass - I don't need his "protection" or that of his sexist god!
"Would anyone tell my how you can remain a R Catholic and still call yourself a Democrat or Progressive?
Washington Cardinal on the Staph-whore sunday show today claims that the Democratic party is anti-life.
Are Cardianls imune from being called a fuckiing LIAR? Course Staphacocca did not question the bastard on his lie.
Hillbillyramblings "
And the Catholic Church is anti-woman and homophobic?
Why didn't someone come back at the guy in the dress with that fact?
Didn't the Cardinal have any altar boys to cornhole today?
"when the liberal woman tried talking about terry schiavo, she was basically told to shut up"
I would have said "YOU shut the hell up!"
These women and liberals on these shows sit there and take it.
They need to get even louder and MORE obnoxious than the Nazis!
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We did some excellent searching, and the above address might be Michael Schiavo's Home Address, or his attorney's. Clearwater and Pinellas Park, FL are 9 miles apart, so this might be the correct address. Proof HERE
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HAPPY EASTER BY THE WAY!!!...!!!...
Does that publication of names and addresses represent someone's idea of "investigative" reporting?
Not sure what motivated the posting of the above "disclosures" from FOX News, but one can only imagine....
Unless, of course, the possibility that some of us might wish to convey our empathy and respect for Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer for having demonstrated the courage to endure this ordeal that has been foisted upon them not only by the tragedy that is Terri Schiavo's situation, but by Jeb Bush, Bill Frist and the United States Senate, Tom DeLay and the U.S. House of Representatives, George W. Bush, the Florida state courts and federal district courts, and last but not least the United States Supreme Court.
What part of "No" don't the grieving Schindlers, and the feverishly opportunistic Randall Terry, and those sycophantic show-boating Franciscans understand?
Go home, Sheeple, the courts -- the last bastion of our tripartite system of government still capable of logic and rational thought -- has ruled against you, so many times now that most of us have lost count.
Rest in peace, Terri Schiavo.
Can't we count Lieberman as half a women for being such a traitorous
f g c t? Could it be more obvious that he wants to run for president by being a southern baptist republican and still get credit for being a jewish Dem? And yes I would happily vote for a constitutional amendments saying only women can hold federal office or host political news shows. Though I have this nagging thought that the problem with the Democratic party is a distinct lack of large caliber weapons training. The only thing more revolting than a fat sweaty redneck baptist preacher with hair plugs for God's sake is Slimy Joe deigning to share his wisdom us, while Fat Tim tries to figure out what file card he was gonna read off of next. Someone tell CNN that Judy Woodruff and a couple half bright staffers interviewing actual people who know stuff would put all the rest of them out of business in a month. Was I the only one fantasizing about the old Catholic priest jumping up and strangling Creepy Joe while railing about his war vote, the slimy bastard. I think I'm too pissed to consider the woman thing, but more women is very rarely a bad thing.
Speaking of nonsense, bullshit, and the contining downward spiral of public discourse, I watched Randy Tate stick his head higher and higher up his own ass while attempting to 'interview' Jim Wallis.
The occasion was the publication of Wallis's book on religion and politics, and the venue was CSPAN2 BookTV this weekend--the last place on earth for intelligent discussion of ideas and politics without screaming blonds shaking their hair, rolling their eyes, and saying things like 'duh!' as if this means something.
Anyway, Randy Tate quickly proved himself to be a dishonest rhetorician--I wouldn't say he was good enough at it to be called a sophist--and he rapidly turned the interview into the sort of tit-for-tat that gives me impulses not fit for human action.
Every petty remark, quip, GOP talking point, and cheap trap came out of Tate's head, and Wallis patiently continued to explain what his book was about, and why he wrote what he wrote.
It was as if an adult was baby-sitting a spoiled brat acting out because the brat had soiled his britches.
I'm sure this thread is dead, but I just have to vent. The fact that a couple previous posters didn't know Eleanor Clift's name just further confirms the main point. Women simply aren't visible in this field. I wish Clift wasn't stuck on the McLaughlin Group, but I suppose some woman has to do it, otherwise there's be none. And to her credit she does fight back and keeps talking when she is endlessly interrupted.
Also, I may be the only person who has a problem with this, but I find the convention of implying that prominent right-wing women are masculine just as distasteful as when it's done to liberal women. For ages, this tactic has been used to scare women away from speaking out, lest their femininity be questioned. People seem to think it's okay, because it's just crazy Ann Coulter or some lying hypocrite like Karen Hughes. But can't we just insult them for their well-demonstrated horribleness instead of stupid adam's apple and dick jokes?
I'm also sick of men being accused of being women, and I think you can pretty much see where I'm going with this one. Why do we liberals have to perpetuate this ridiculous gender war, even when we're protesting it?!?!
If this thread's not dead, I'd certainly like to take a stab at killing it. Most Americans don't care for feminism but they do care about religion. If you say "People who support liars are not good Christians" and "People who support Repbublicans who claim the mantle of Christian morality but ignore stuff like their being serial adulterers like Newt Gingrich or people like Tom Delay using his daughter as bait for a hot tub fundraiser in a Vegas hotel room (got that one from Joe Conason's "Big Lies") are hypocrites and, therefore, not good Christians either." That would not only get their attention, it that puts them in the position of trying to pretend that Republicans are not liars which we could then counter by pointing out all the times where republicans are liars. The idea is to get them to wrestle with it and to keep piling on with examples to fry their brains.
Instead of complaining about the fact that Republicans use religion as a weapon, I say turn it against them. Make a huges stink about showing the contradictions between their stated beliefs and actual actions.
A Christian who does not live up to Christ's ideals and refuses to be honest about it is not a true Christian.
That should fuck with their heads.
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