I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Donna Brazile sucks.
http://www.juancole.com
Read. Please.
Atrios must be suffering with the heat.
Auto-generated threads. What have we come to?
I predict the next one will be subtitled: Because you can never have enough thread.
I predict the next one will be subtitled: Because you can never have enough thread.
Open Thread means never having to say your sorry.
morning bats
If Patty Hearst was kidnapped today, how would the cable media react?
Really, I want Atrios to post a "biofuels" thread.
Effing loozer.
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Thanks for linking to Juan Cole, DWD.
It makes me deeply ashamed as an American in the tradition of Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, and King, that in their private communications our international allies openly admit that the United States of America routinely disregards international law. The Geneva Conventions were enacted by the United Nations and adopted into national law in order to assure that Nazi-style violations of basic human rights never again occurred without the threat of punishment after the war. We have an administration that views the Geneva Conventions as "quaint." The US has vigorously opposed the International Criminal Court.
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
These open threads are giving me agoraphobia. 
...not really.
I'm really not understanding why anyone listens to Donna Brazile. What are her qualifications? that she helped Al Gore loose?
DWD,
Things are becoming clearer now. The Brits were worried about war crimes because they are signatories to the ICC. We never signed, so it's possible we can't be prosecuted by the ICC.
Bad, bad, bad.
I love you liberals because you are so narrow minded that your brain would fit through the eye of a needle. I have not heard a conservative run down a liberal radio host, but you liberals do nothing but try to degrade a conservative. When I grew up on the farm I used to listen to that flapper mouth Humphery or HHH as he was called, while I pitched sh-t. More of that sh-t came out of his mouth than out of the cows. I was 14 and I decided at that time that the DEMOCRATS were not the people to believe. The DEMOS were mild leftists compared to the present day COMMIE leftists. All we hear now days is give your money and morals to the leftists and we will take care of you. THAT SURE AS H-LL IS NOT THE WAY THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT.
"Open Thread means never having to say your sorry."
Big Daddy Mars
Word! Seriously, we should be thankful that even if they are auto generated they are here for the night crew.
Beats the alternative. One long ass thread with 8-900 comments.
I have not heard a conservative run down a liberal radio host--
No, they're too busy running down everyone else.
Nice try, but only 1 star outta 10.
No soup for you! One year!
DWD
and how could they do this without a conspiratorial alliance with the press?
"20. Time will be required to prepare public opinion in the UK that it is necessary to take military action against Saddam Hussein. There would also need to be a substantial effort to secure the support of Parliament. An information campaign will be needed which has to be closely related to an overseas information campaign designed to influence Saddam Hussein, the Islamic World and the wider international community. This will need to give full coverage to the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, including his WMD, and the legal justification for action. "
Thank god for the leaks
Beats the alternative. One long ass thread with 8-900 comments.
Absolutely. No thread like a new thread. (Maybe he can use that in the next one.)
The thing I alluded (sp?) to below are still with me. It was not so much that the reality-based community did not know that Bush was lying. I think we did. (At least I did, cannot speak for everyone) But there is a difference between belief and knowledge.
The fact that I believed he was doing this was not something that could be codified and "proven." This memo, while it may not be the definitive "proof" we all seek: it is suspicious enough to warrant a deeper investigation into the information to determine if there was illegality involved. (As I believe there was)
If I were the Democratic leadership, I would DEMAND an IMPARTIAL investigation to prove, or disprove, the Downing Street Memos. By not taking an advocacy position, we are asking people to meet us in the middle and try to determine "truth."
But NYMARY
The jusdiciary committee can get them for violating the Iraq war resolution. Right?
Synchronicity!
"If Patty Hearst was kidnapped today, how would the cable media react?"
Attaturk
I just read a thread on Rigorous Intuition which relates kind of to that.
Go get your dose of tinfoil hat goodness (if you're so inclined)!
They don't have trackback that I can find, so scroll down to "A working class hero is something to be"
QL in NY,
Thanks for the link to Pete Sessions and his bill forbidding municipalities to provide free wi fi services.
I think the "free" part is crucial: Sessions is a former telecom employee.
He is also a moron.
and the constituion/ and the war resolution of 1973.
Aw, let's just throw all the books in the library of commerce at them.
Atrios must be suffering with the heat.
He's down with the vapours.
THAT SURE AS H-LL IS NOT THE WAY THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT blah blah blah clinton got a blow job blah blah 9/11 changed everything blah blah howard dean's mean blah blah something about negroes blah Marla ruzicka worked for the insurgency blah blah blah kerry threw his medals blah blah global warming is a liberal plot blah blah blah michael moore is fat blah blah blah kerry got bad grades blah blah blah
© Res Ipsa Loquitur
Wanna buy a vowel?
magnolia,
I'm no lawyer, but I'm a scholar, and I'm parsing language. Our own gov't may not be punishable by the international community, but the Brits might be vulnerable to such a punishment.
What a purely internal investigation, say by the Judiciary Committee, could accomplish is another matter. We're all watching you, John Conyers. Do us proud.
Is it hot where you are, too?
"Absolutely. No thread like a new thread. (Maybe he can use that in the next one.)"
pie
Hey, that's a good one!
Aw, let's just throw all the books in the library of commerce at them.
magnolia's propaganda ministry
[damned Haloscan]
library of commerce...
library of commerce ????????
Don't ask me. I was thinking congress but it came out commerce. No coffee yet.
I thought Clinton signed the ICC, and the Bushies were trying to have it nullified.
Seems I read that somewhere yesterday. Don't know how accurate it is though.
But if he signed it, it's the law of the land right?
Magnolia,
I think the apparent miscue was not only hilarious, but effin APT!
"If Patty Hearst was kidnapped today, how would the cable media react?"
Attaturk
I just read a thread on Rigorous Intuition which relates kind of to that.
Sort of, R.I.'s post is really good, mine is just typical snark. It's a really good post on the Patty Hearst business -- I'm old enough to remember that case really well.
I have not heard a conservative run down a liberal radio host--
I heard Rusty Humphries run down Al Franken last night on his wingnut show.
I'm wondering if sessenbrenner's meltdown will help or hurt the judiciary committee hearing on thursday. I say help, but as is usually the case, they may have something up their sleeve.
A thing of beauty:
An undaunted Dean, noting some "catty articles in the press this week about fundraising," said the party had raised "over $100,000 in 24 hours on the Web, unsolicited."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...61100609_2.html
The "liberal media" pulled out all the stops and made a full court press on Dean. The grassroots said "FUCK YOU!."
I don't pick my money off of trees, so every little bit hurts. But wow, is it worth it! If you saw or heard the clip you know Dean was standing proud and talking loud. We did that.
Seems I read that somewhere yesterday. Don't know how accurate it is though.
In a surprise move on New Year's Eve, the Camp David press office released a statement announcing that President Clinton will sign the International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty. This 1998 Rome Treaty has already had more than 130 signatory countries, but it had been widely assumed that the United States would maintain its strong opposition to the establishment of what they saw as a supranational court.
The statement is directed more at the US domestic audience than at the international community. President Clinton makes it clear that he is signing the treaty in order for the USA to be in a position to influence the evolution of the Court.The treaty needs to be ratified by 60 governments before it comes into effect. It will then have jurisdiction over war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide wherever they occur. The US has been worried that this put its citizens at risk of prosecution after international intervention operations.
Hi NYMary:
There are many ways America can be punished, mostly outside the structure of international law but just as effective.
The bond market can be as brutal as the Hague, but it's a lot more indiscriminate.
I can't conceive it isn't a huge pragmatic, not to say moral, problem that America has lost so much of its moral capital over the past four years.
But Pie, if Clinton approved it: it only applies to democrats, right?
And this is interesting. Found it in an article in, of all places, the Catholic World News!
The State Department sources point out the real effect of President Clinton signing the document-- to handcuff incoming President Bush and all future presidents. Under the 1969 Vienna Convention of the Law of Treaties, a signatory to a treaty should do nothing that is inconsistent with the "object and purpose of the treaty." If incoming President Bush, or any future president, decides to attempt to prevent the controversial court from coming into existence, the US would be in violation of the Vienna Convention.
Hmmmm.
It doesn't say why Clinton didn't sign on to the ICC, but he didn't. Still, dig on this:
The United States of America was one of only 7 nations (joining China, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Qatar and Israel) to vote against the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court in 1998.
The Bush administration's hostility to the ICC has increased dramatically in 2002. The crux of the U.S. concern relates to the prospect that the ICC may exercise its jurisdiction to conduct politically motivated investigations and prosecutions of U.S. military and political officials and personnel. The U.S. opposition to the ICC is in stark contrast to the strong support for the Court by most of America's closest allies.
When in 2002, I wonder? April? July? Be interesting to know....
http://hrw.org/campaigns/icc/us.htm
Dean was standing proud and talking loud. We did that.
hadenough
Yeah, we did.
I thought Clinton signed the ICC, and the Bushies were trying to have it nullified.
Here's a link off the AMICC's page giving information on this matter:
Info about the US & ICC
But if he signed it, it's the law of the land right?
DeepThought_42
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the thought plickens
I heard Bush unsigned it. (whatever) 
Diane - it's not just free wifi the bill would ban, but any services that would compete with stuff telecoms might roll out. And yes, he was a Southwestern Bell and Bell Labs employee.
Bastard.
"Sort of, R.I.'s post is really good, mine is just typical snark. It's a really good post on the Patty Hearst business -- I'm old enough to remember that case really well."
Attaturk
But we like your typical snark and blogwhoring!
Since I was only 7 at the time, I don't remember much about it. But I do remember the seemingly endless rehashing of the Patty Hearst story into the 80's it seems.
pie,
Do you have a link for that? The Human Rights Watch stuff seemed to suggest Big Dog hadn't signed.
the thought plickens
I heard Bush unsigned it. (whatever)
Did he have someone go over the document with White Out?
NYMary, from the article:
NEW YORK, Jan. 5, 01 (CWNews.com/C-fam.org) - With only eight hours to go before the midnight deadline on New Year's Eve, representatives of US President Bill Clinton met with UN officials at UN headquarters in New York and signed the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court, making the US the 139th country to sign a document to establish a permanent criminal tribunal.
I thought Clinton signed the ICC
Clinton and Bush positions on the ICC.
From the article on Dean that hadenough cited above:
...and major donors have asserted that he does not schmooze them as his predecessor, Terence R. McAuliffe, did.
That sorta kinda explains the DINOs whining last week, doesn't it?
Wingnuts, you can't keep the US away from the world forever. Not with the increasing interconnectedness. You represent the worst tendencies of this country and unfortunately, you've now shown the rest of the world your feces smeared asses. We had tried to keep you hidden but the Internet has allowed dirty little secret out. Many here are batshit crazy. Sorry world, but what can you do but put a bullet between their eyes, but that's not practical at this particular juncture.
NYMary, the link's there.
The wingnuts have humiliated America to the world.
Here's the link to the first article.
Thanks, NTodd, thanks pie. I see now.
Fucking Bolton. The guy's like a rash all over every evil situation this administrition has foisted off on the population from the beginning. The NYT article just before he was put off was illustrated with a pic of him looking at ballots in Florida in 2000. Dick.
I heard this morning that the Prez hasn't been quite truthful about the Patriot Act and prosecutions in the war on terror --
http://tinyurl.com/8uudj
"An analysis of the Justice Department's own list of terrorism prosecutions by The Washington Post shows that 39 people -- not 200, as officials have implied -- were convicted of crimes related to terrorism or national security.
Most of the others were convicted of relatively minor crimes such as making false statements and violating immigration law -- and had nothing to do with terrorism, the analysis shows. For the entire list, the median sentence was just 11 months.
Taken as a whole, the data indicate that the government's effort to identify terrorists in the United States has been less successful than authorities have often suggested."
I woke up to my DC radio station reporting that statements made by Bush and Cheney regarding arrests in the War on Terror and the effectiveness of the Patriot Act had been misleading! My first thought of the day -- Has the press grown balls???
Actually, Bush can unsign the ICC treaty.
Any treaty signed by a president still has to be ratified by the Senate. This one hasn't been and right now won't be.
However, the US signed and ratified the Geneva Conventions.
The Hague, bitches!
US President Bill Clinton met with UN officials at UN headquarters in New York and signed the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court, making the US the 139th country to sign a document to establish a permanent criminal tribunal.
Uh, oh. I think Europe had better start aresting some folk Rummy? You in Brussels, bitch?
Fake pie, you just don't get it. You have terminal dumbness.
How the hell can he be president if he doesn't know how to obey the law?
Thanks, NTodd.
Looks like the Bush administration:
Withdrew the US from all ICC negotiations after April 1, 2001.
Nullified the Clinton administration signature on the Rome Statute on May 6, 2002.
Good morning moonbats and free thinkers!
Is the country sane yet?
Note to self:
No typing before coffee. Thank you.
From NTodd's link:
[Bush] Nullified the Clinton administration signature on the Rome Statute on May 6, 2002.
oops...I thought I had closed the tag. Sorry.
However, the US signed and ratified the Geneva Conventions.
The Hague, bitches!
Diane
WHOO HOO!! I HEAR YA MY SISTAH FROM ANOTHER MISTAH!!
Oops, sorry, pie! Thanks for repeating the link for us slow kids in the back.
Incog -
Nice throw down @ 8:48.
One minor correction. The dookie is on the repuke's faces. Of course, now that I think about it, it would be damn near impossible to tell the difference.
Morning all.
The Hague, Bitches!
I blow goats and give sheep hand-shandies. Children run screaming from me. I have nothing better to do than disrupt threads and become the willing bukkake recipient of the entire Eschaton community.
Actually, Bush can unsign the ICC treaty.
And Clinton actually recommend his successor not be a party to the agreement, IIRC.
NYMary, more coffee!
How's that sweet little girl today?
"Fucking Bolton. The guy's like a rash all over every evil situation this administrition has foisted off on the population from the beginning. The NYT article just before he was put off was illustrated with a pic of him looking at ballots in Florida in 2000. Dick."
NYMary
Signatories to the PNAC "Rebuilding America's Defenses" document:
Dick Cheney and his top national security assistant, I. Lewis Libby; Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld; Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz; National Security Council member Eliot Abrams; Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton; and former Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, Richard Perle. Other PNAC members exerting influence on U.S. policy are the President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq Randy Scheunemann, Republican Party leader Bruce Jackson and current PNAC chairman William Kristol, conservative writer for the Weekly Standard. Jeb Bush, the president's brother and governor of Florida, is also a member.
I'm seeing a pattern here.
worth a read, because it's put in terms even Repubs can understand:
Cooney, a former lobbyist at the omnipresent American Petroleum Institute, is a lawyer with a bachelor's degree in economics who has no scientific training. Now, just briefly consider that last sentence. You're the president. Cheney or whomever pulls your strings mentions that the head post is opening up in the Environmental Quality Council, you get to appoint anyone you want. Now, they actually have lobbyists and scientists who specialize in this- specialists in the field of environmental quality, specialsts in the field of global warming, even specialists in the somewhat more narrow field of greenhouse gas emissions. They're experts. At what point do you say, "Find me an oil man."
A better question: At what point are you so entrenched in rationalizing your Republicanism that this does not offend you? It's almost like we're so numb to the irony that we have actually lost our ability to be outraged. Now it's just kind of funny. Oil man heads Council on Environmental Quality. Tenet gets medal of honor for service. Bolton goes to the U.N... It's like the Republicans were so shocked they could get W into the White House it practically became a parlor game of can-you-top-that.
Oh, and don't be too surprised by the Catholic Workers on this, pie. They're religious, but they're the good guys, trust me. Real Christians who really help people, not fundie wingnuts who want to threaten and control and send people to hell.
It looks like maybe our long awaited (successful) Deep Throat may be British.
People who have come forward publicly have been destroyed personally, and the psy-ops campaign to prevent successful leaking here (Dan Rather, Newsweek and, to some extent, Plame) has taken a complacent US press/media and converted it to knee-shaking timidity. Not only is it less comfortable and profitable to "go along," taking on the administration is affirmatively dangerous.
If (at long last) the criminals are outed to all and not just to people already of a mind to suspect the worst of Bushco, it will take three things: (1) a credible, foreign, English language source to start the ball rolling (check); (2) public fatigue with the obviously ill-conceived Iraq Adventure, because if things were working out, people wouldn't care about underlying illegality (check); and (3) enough people in the US making sure the story doesn't go away.
I'm encouraged by the way the (London) Times is releasing documents one at a time. It's important for the story to be supported by NEW revelations and not by the picking apart of a single document, right, Dan Rather?
That last one is in its infancy at best. Whichever papers or networks actually carry the ball on this need support. The blogs are way ahead of them, but can't do it alone (as we have seen on so many occasions).
trolls learn while they earn
Is the country sane yet?
It's goig to take a while. Have some coffee.
Open Thread means never having to say your sorry.
Big Daddy Mars
I thought it meant never having to type OT:
And are we back to rock? What happened to the bluegrass?
Atrios should stop hastening the end of our White Christian culture by endorsing that devil-music, Rock. My home-schooled children love Pat Boone and Nat Cole.
Note to self:
Learn to TYPE and EDIT. Thank you.
I'm seeing a pattern here.
DeepThought_42
Yeah, they're all there.
The PNAC horseshit is mindnumbingly stupid. The principles it espouses, that is.
pie,
She's good, thanks. She's trying to figure out how to use and/or eat my cell phone right now.
Oh, and don't be too surprised by the Catholic Workers on this
It isn't that. I was just surprised to see this analysis now. I know some people have been talking about this whole court thing all along, but it sure hasn't been in the mainstream. How many Americans realize the implications?
One minor correction. The dookie is on the repuke's faces. Of course, now that I think about it, it would be damn near impossible to tell the difference.
When Germany was having their massive flooding, the wingnuts were trashing them on their english speaking message board because they didn't support the Iraq war. I had never been so ashamed for this country before that. It was like watching a horrible train wreck.
Night Moonbats! 
How the hell can he be president if he doesn't know how to obey the law?
magnolia's propaganda ministry
He's got the Presidential seal, and the Presidential podium, and his momma loves him like a rock.
Besides, making sure anyone else obeys the law is our job.
Time to work on Congressional elections.
Clean sheets. Not even an open thread!
Let me try to be as diplomatic as I was on my blog.
Hey, Kevin Drum...FUCK YOU!
She's trying to figure out how to use and/or eat my cell phone right now.
Ya mean she doesn't have her own? What kinda parent are you anyway!!! Child abuse.
She's trying to figure out how to use and/or eat my cell phone right now.
Them's good eatin' if you add a little sour cream and salsa.
I'm encouraged by the way the (London) Times is releasing documents one at a time. It's important for the story to be supported by NEW revelations and not by the picking apart of a single document, right, Dan Rather?
Wow. So true. Think about the steady drip, drip, drip of Watergate reporting. I think that is why Felt kept up a steady, slow leak of information. Keep the story alive.
i have a secret crush on all y'all.
huey -
Good post. It will take time for the stuff to soak in, just as it did with Nixon.
And, it will be harder with this bunch as they have undoubtedly learned a few things from their past mistakes (altho that point is arguable is appearances count for anything) and they control all branches of the gubmint.
But it will happen.
As the august Robert J says at 9:03, let's concentrate on the Congress.
Oh, and don't be too surprised by the Catholic Workers on this, pie. They're religious, but they're the good guys, trust me. Real Christians who really help people, not fundie wingnuts who want to threaten and control and send people to hell.
NYMary
Amen, sister!
i have a secret crush on all y'all.
Uh...you typed that out loud!
I'm encouraged by the way the (London) Times is releasing documents one at a time. It's important for the story to be supported by NEW revelations and not by the picking apart of a single document, right, Dan Rather?
hueyplong
Brilliant analysis!!You are so right.
It is so important for the story to be supported by new revelations. It seems as if the London Times is framing this for the short attention span of the American press.
stupid new mental usb keyboard
It seems as if the London Times is framing this for the short attention span of the American press.
portia
We are paying very close att- hey, look, a missing white girl!
- the American Press
The demonstrated "drip, drip" puts the Rove types on the defensive. They know that another thing is probably coming, so they are less likely to go nuclear on what just got released for fear of being caught in a "reverse Rather" in which their all out attack is discredited by the next revelation.
Our own "MSM" is obviously both disinclined to and incapable of pulling this off (unless they are following the protected, strong lead of someone else by merely "reporting" that "The Times says...").
Maybe the London Times is supported by insiders who called for Blair to resign and who are pissed that he so obviously won't.
Now if the damning info could only be attached to a paris hilton sex tape...
we would get a story about downloading porn.
american press sucks canal water!
drum = idiot savant
marshall too.
marshall said about the same thing as drum.
Sometimes both do good work. But, if I read the howler right, neither wants to upset big media. In the long run they both want the live on Nantuckit, next to russert.
personally, i am afraid its another poison pill.
I was a lot more afraid of a poison pill when there was just one document.
We probably ought not to scurry behind the sofa just because we think we hear Karl Rove rolling up a newspaper.
This is the (London) Times, not our crappy media, and they're doing it in a country pretty friendly to plaintiffs bringing libel actions.
We probably ought not to scurry behind the sofa just because we think we hear Karl Rove rolling up a newspaper.
I'd like to take that newspaper and shove it up Turd Blossom's fat ass!
As far as it can go!
I love you liberals because you are so narrow minded that your brain would fit through the eye of a needle. I have not heard a conservative run down a liberal radio host, but you liberals do nothing but try to degrade a conservative. When I grew up on the farm I used to listen to that flapper mouth Humphery or HHH as he was called, while I pitched sh-t. More of that sh-t came out of his mouth than out of the cows. I was 14 and I decided at that time that the DEMOCRATS were not the people to believe. The DEMOS were mild leftists compared to the present day COMMIE leftists. All we hear now days is give your money and morals to the leftists and we will take care of you. THAT SURE AS H-LL IS NOT THE WAY THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT.
00Buckshot |
"I have not heard a conservative run down a liberal radio host"
Oh, give me a break!
00 is your IQ and buckshot is what you have for brains.
Calling someone who doesn't agree with you "commies" and "lefties" is SO 1960s!
The conservatives don't need any help being "degraded." They do it to themselves and they're dragging this country with them.
Now, why don't you go back to the farm and jerk off a stallion, like your hero, Bush?
Sorry world, but what can you do but put a bullet between their eyes, but that's not practical at this particular juncture.
Ô¿Ô
Yes - and isn't that a pity?
THAT SURE AS H-LL IS NOT THE WAY THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT blah blah blah clinton got a blow job blah blah 9/11 changed everything blah blah howard dean's mean blah blah something about negroes blah Marla ruzicka worked for the insurgency blah blah blah kerry threw his medals blah blah global warming is a liberal plot blah blah blah michael moore is fat blah blah blah kerry got bad grades blah blah blah
© Res Ipsa Loquitur
Wanna buy a vowel?
DeepThought_42 |
Why are these trolls so DETERMINED to be so stupid?
the thought plickens
I heard Bush unsigned it. (whatever)
Did he have someone go over the document with White Out?
Big Daddy Mars
AFTER he had someone read it FOR him.
We know the fucker is illiterate.
We know the fucker is illiterate.
But but but Georgie's grades were as good as Kerry's at Yale!!!!!!!
Joe MBNA Biden is on Meet the Press today; is there any hope he will mention Downing Street?
I think Drum is overstating his case. There's a big difference between "everyone knew" and "everyone suspected." Drum meant the latter, I'm sure -- not that I'm a defender of Drum. Far from it.
Just like our fearless leader we must continue to catapult the propaganda...
What do you folks think about the G-8 decision to forgive/wipeout the debts incurred by the poorer nations (mostly in Africa) ?
This sounds like a good deal, but I am a cynic. I wondered if there is some strings attached (news media doesn't report it so far as I have seen) and unless there is more to it, it seems to me like (finally) some good news.
Is it, or am I just being lied to again?
So is CNN going to keep putting up a Dean bashing poll until they get their desired negative result?
http://www.cnn.com/
Is Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean helping or hurting his party?
Helping 41% 12021 votes
Hurting 59% 17270
This has to be the third or fourth Dean CNN poll in a week.
About the ICC: Once the treaty has been ratified by the requisite number of nations (which it has), it becomes the law. Kind of like the American Constitution became the law for those states that didn't ratify it after enough of the other states did.
More importantly, it doesn't matter one iota whether or not the US is a party to the ICC or not. At Nuremberg, we established the priniciple that customary law (what's generally done by nations) is a basis for prosecution: Nazi Germany was not a party to the Geneva or the Hague conventions, nor was genocide or aggressive war illegal under German law.
This isn't the first time that America is has asserted that the law doesn't apply to us, but it is one of the more egregious.
[I'm no lawyer, but I'm a scholar, and I'm parsing language. Our own gov't may not be punishable by the international community, but the Brits might be vulnerable to such a punishment.]
Lol, as if the U.S.A. would let that happen. They lied to stand with shoulder to shoulder with the U.S.A. (in our lies). The U.S.A. will never forget them doing that for us.
The shit keeps getting deeper and deeper for the Bush/Blair Project.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...1650822,00.html
The Sunday Times - Britain
June 12, 2005
Ministers were told of need for Gulf war ‘excuse’
Michael Smith
The warning, in a leaked Cabinet Office briefing paper, said Tony Blair had already agreed to back military action to get rid of Saddam Hussein at a summit at the Texas ranch of President George W Bush three months earlier.
John Kerry June 2, 2005 characterization of the Downing Street Minutes Memo: "The truth and a profoundly important document"
The Sunday Times - Britain
June 12, 2005
Ministers were told of need for Gulf war ‘excuse’
Michael Smith
MINISTERS were warned in July 2002 that Britain was committed to taking part in an American-led invasion of Iraq and they had no choice but to find a way of making it legal.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...1650822,00.html
LATINO SENATOR FROM COLORADO
KEN SALAZAR - DEMOCRAT
he was interviewed and the interview was aired on NPR's latino usa yesterday, 11/06/05.
i loved how he applauded alberto gonsales, ashcroft's replacement as AG.
with gangsters like this, we would have been as well off with pete coors in the senate.
the democrat party. fascist lite.
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