I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
She sure did. Here article sounded like a lamentable apology
I hope Fitz extracts the chicken bone through Karls ass.
I thought is sounded like Rove screwed up big time. Didn't tell his lawyer about the Cooper conversations until Novak told his lawyer.
She was trying to stay out of it I guess.
D'you think Luskin drinks elitist chardonnay?
If this conversation took place in March or may or January, why did it take til November to reveal it to Fitz. Remember at first they tried to spin it that the conversation took place in the fall or summer.
They're fucked.
Editor's Note: By mutual agreement, Viveca Novak is currently on a leave of absence.
Guess she's done "pushing back."
Sorta OT
Remember when Bush called on "Bianca" at a "press conference" a while back. Was Viveca Novak in the room at the time. I'll bet she was and Bush meant to call on her but couldn't remember her name and burped out the name Bianca. Close enough for the village idiot.
Just an idle guess.
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Reporters nowadays are so concerned with maintaining access to those in positions of power that they allow themselves to be used by their "sources" to provide inside information about what is going to show up in the paper, thus allowing those in power to shield themselves from the fallout. It's like knowing in advance exactly which crimes a prosecutor knows about so that you can set up fake alibis for those crimes. How can you have a democracy when the people are only getting slanted information that has been cleared with the people in power, and the people in power are getting all the information they need to make themselves look innocent?
Agent Orange: Remember when Bush called on "Bianca" at a "press conference" a while back. Was Viveca Novak in the room at the time. I'll bet she was and Bush meant to call on her but couldn't remember her name and burped out the name Bianca. Close enough for the village idiot.
Just an idle guess.
Is that what that whole Bianca craze was a month or two ago? I wondered about that, but never asked, since I figured it had something to do with troll droppings...
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I love how because Luskin didn't keep her confidence she felt it just fine to blab about her testimony.
Now, if she has also screwed up "Big Time" then it will be worth it...
I agree with ql - there's no way this doesn't spell trouble for Rove.
Regardless of whether the tip-off occurred in March or May, it's clear that Rove and Luskin had at least 3 months to come clean about it before Matt Cooper testified. The fact that they waited until it became clear that Cooper would testify pretty clearly shows that, if not for Cooper's agreeing to testify, they never would have disclosed this evidence to the prosecutor and grand jury.
Rove is fucked.
but david corn says she's a nice lady!
It's pretty clear to me, finally, what is going on. Viveka Novak thinks she screwed up because she told Luskin something Luskin didn't know, that Rove was Cooper's source.
That's not what the problem is. The problem is that she told Luskin that lots of people at Time knew it. Luskin knew very well that Rove was Cooper's source (and maybe Robert Novak's source as well), because Rove is too intelligent (unfortunately) to lie to his lawyer. Luskin knew Rove's role before V. Novak and he had drinks together. So Luskin said, "This is important," to V. Novak, because it meant that Rove could not claim to have forgotten that he told Cooper.
And why not? Because, clearly, lots of people at Time knew it.
Are we to assume that no one at Time called up Rove to say to him, "Karl, baby, what exactly did you tell Cooper?" Fat Chance Department.
Were I Fitz, I'd subpoena every senior reporter at Time. Chances are beyond excellent that some hungry reporter at Time called up Rove and asked him point blank, "Did you tell Cooper that Valerie Plame, Mrs. Joseph Wilson, worked for CIA?"
That Rove was Cooper's source is not Luskin's problem. Both Fitzgerald and Luskin have known this for a long time. Luskin's problem, or more accurately, Rove's problem, is that Fitzgerald can prove it.
Is that what that whole Bianca craze was a month or two ago? I wondered about that, but never asked, since I figured it had something to do with troll droppings...
Bush called on a reporter named Bianca who wasn't in the room, and then looked perplexed and called on her again. The obvious assumption was that someone named Bianca was supposed to feed him a softball question, but didn't show up.
Didn't Bianca Jagger make a highly publicized anti-Bush statement earlier that day? I thought Bush was making a jokey reference.
V. Novak to Luskin..."Are you sure about that? That's not what I hear around TIME."
Well, you either believe her or you don't. Telling an outsider about things going on at time is very questionable ethically.
It's the motivation of that exchange that makes all the difference. In my view, this is the reason a reporter should avoid "players" in DC.
I think Luskin played her, but it will not very likely get him anywhere with Fitz.
So it sounds like this could undermine the recantation defense for perjury.
If Luskin and Rove had, prior to this, been sticking by their story that rove wasn't Cooper's source, and testified to that effect, that would of course be perjury and maybe, just for fun, obstruction of justice.
The only way to avoid such a charge would be to go back before the grand jury and recant his previous statement... but if Fitzgerald finds evidence that the recantation was not done in good faith, then he has more leverage for the perjury charge.
And that's probably why Fitzgerald wanted to talk to her. Based on what Novak has written now, it looks more likely that Rove may be indicted for something before too long.
"How can you have a democracy..."
Diane,
Goddamned good question.
The more we non-journalists see about how the cozy little game of flirtation that reporters play with their sources and vice-versa, each needing what the other has to offer--the more unseemly and untrustworthy the whole process becomes. This is so far from the old school image of the hard bitten reporter relentlessly wearing out shoe leather, and doggedly pursuing and harassing sources to get tidbits of information out of people that did not want to talk--that I am now realizing that everything I know is wrong--at least if I read it in a newspaper, magazine, or saw it on television. It is all a massively co-ordinated effort to define a reality that is, in fact, pure fiction, and conceals a ruthless political agenda. Feh to the whole business. I am disgusted.
She's on leave of absence? boy is she fucked.
Editor's Note: By mutual agreement, Viveca Novak is currently on a leave of absence.
Whoa.
And if she is fucked, so is someone else, I'll betcha.
Awwww. Too bad.
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