I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Yes, time for some change...
Oops, forgot to add the smiley on the end.
a new chapter in the Kremlinology guide book.
Heh.
That is for to laugh.
Rearranging deck chairs on the Bismarck.
or perhaps just a footnote.
When will the Fat Man go?
Too bad he didn't pick John Bolton. Maybe Our Leader was worried thathe'd shank Karl Rove in the White House chow line,
Looks like Karl won the turf war, just in time to get Cheney indicted.
(okay that's a bit of fantasy)
So is this...
The Trial of Private Jonah, Part I
Bolten is among the most respected officials within the administration
Not much of an achievement.
Time to start a pool on how many weeks until Card gets indicted. And by which prosecutors.
Fundie callers on C-Span already have his State Campaign started. UnREAL!
Attaturk- BRAVO!
Card was running an exchange scheme with with Crate & Barrel
Attaturk- BRAVO!
mestizo
Thanks, it will get funny in part 2.
Maybe now Card can get to work beginning to count our national debt: it would take 317,000 years or so to do it.
http://seaxneat.blogspot.com/200...od-bless-
w.html
Claude Allen comes to mind.
If that bit on Raw Story about Karl selling out Cheney turns out to be halfway accurate, I wonder if Card's name came up while Karl sang.
You think...
Well peewee needs all the help he can get but this may just be another case of the rats getting clear the ship while there's still time...
although I'll sorely miss working professionally with andy card, I'm
quite pleased with the president's choice of josh bolten. there's nothing
like fresh blood to get things kick started. vote lieberman 2006!
Card submitted his resignation two weeks ago.
The media are calling this a "shake-up". Looks like more changes are in the works, even though the President lied yesterday that he has complete confidence in those around him.
Look for a position for Joe Lieberman.
Well, I can breathe a sigh of relief knowing that Bush's friendship with Andy will continue after Card leaves.
The question shouldn't be about Card; the real issue is how soon OMB becomes as useless as Treasury.
Cheney-Rove-Rumsfeld = Axis of Evil. Until one or all of them go, nothing changes.
Lieberman already has a position - on his knees.
I wonder if he wants to spend more time with his family?
The media are calling this a "shake-up".
One change does not a shake-up make.
*Yawn* Different day, same bullshit. CNN fell all over itself to "point out" (as if it were true) that this might invigorate the White House and improve their ailing poll numbers. Ummm. No. He was the head of Bush's budget office who oversee the biggest national debt we've seen, going from a surplus to a deficit. A long-time family crony totally fucks up and is promptly rewarded. In other words, nothing new. And Card leaving.... do I smell Indictment? Perhaps we'll see the Fitzter Bunny hide an subpoena for him.
Did anyone tell him he was doing a heckuva job?
"shake-up" equals WH propaganda.
Joe's name has been bandied about for Sec'y. of Defense. Good. Get his worthless ass out of the Senate.
James Baker, paging Mr. Baker. Mr. Baker, please pick up the Presidential courtesy telephone.... James Baker, paging Mr. James Baker.... You're needed in Washington, Mr. Baker....
I wonder if he's leaving to spend more time with his lawyers?
OT, but who wants to bet that the Afghan Christian will never be heard from again?
We can win the war in Vietnam, I mean, Iraq.
Halfdan,
Rumors are that as soon as he was released he was taken somewhere. Since then, he has disappeared and they do not expect to ever see him again.
Why doesn't GM or the UAW send these guys down to help out the Katrina victims?
I like having Card compared to Sherman Adams. Perhaps the similarities will increase?
That's a lotta white, white men.
Oh, and Moe, one for you.
Leave it to the next prez.
Bush's gifts to posterity
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006...on/
edmartin.php
"If that bit on Raw Story about Karl selling out Cheney turns out to be halfway accurate, I wonder if Card's name came up while Karl sang."
bwahahaha. karl might be helping fitz to keep his own ass outta trouble, but no one is going to jail.
D'oh! That was me @ 9:06.
Gee, would have been nice if they'd started abandoning Dubya in.. oh, 2000.
I think we should look at it this way, short of an Iraqi War Planner, who could be more "competent" than someone responsible for handling the budget?
Definately time to start a dead pool for who's next to wear (read: be thrown) out.
My bet's on Scotty boy- his blood pressure has to be reaching the stratosphere by now.
The ship of state has already struck the iceberg, and it's tearing it's way down the side as we speak. The only question remaining is will they fuck up the few lifeboats in their haste to bail out early?
Wow, Monica Crowley is a plagiarist?
Who knew. So many, many scandals, so little time.
I think we should look at it this way, short of an Iraqi War Planner, who could be more "competent" than someone responsible for handling the budget?
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Exactly why I said earlier that I needed to hunt up some Mason jars to store my money in.
Thers-- thanks, but I don't update Bobo's World anymore. I'm pretending I have a life. Anyone else out there want it? It's your's.
by and by, here's the view from my house, pretty much. About two blocks from my house, really, but close enough.
Card, 59, has been the focal point of much discussion in Washington about how physically and politically exhausted the White House staff must be in the sixth year of a presidency buffeted by recession, terrorism and war.
Oh, and all that wacky stuff just happened all by itself...
It's kinda like using a condom twice.
PeasantParty,
That was real smart of us--demand that be released but then not bother to protect him even as we knew he was stil in danger.
I can just imagine Condi's self-congratulation on her brilliant diplomatic coup.
*Yawn* Different day, same bullshit. CNN fell all over itself to "point out" (as if it were true) that this might invigorate the White House and improve their ailing poll numbers.
to his great credit, david shuster points out josh bolten 'is not exactly new blood'; bolten's been around a long time. tweety has the same take -- nothing changes; bush is still as isolated as before.
cnn has been doing some very disturbing programming lately that is more advocacy than journalism. and i mean, in a more blatant way than usual. lou dobbs appeared on the today show this morning to debate the director of la raza on the immigration bill; then appeared on a segment of cnn's morning show to opine about the same. and during the dubai dust-up, blitzer travelled to dubai to essentially serve as shill on behalf of the deal for several days running.
I was astounded at first until I checked the spelling of the last name. I thought for sure Josh and John were related.
As for Rummi - get him GONE. Lieberman could not be worse than Rummi and most likely a bit better.
Hi NYMary, mostly lurking from work. Hope you are taking it a bit easy. Kiss Rosie for me.
Screw the lifeboats, let's re-arrange the deck chairs!
Gee, would have been nice if they'd started abandoning Dubya in.. oh, 2000.
What? ANd miss out on all the looting?
All the Looting and Pillaging?
Miss out on all the looting, pillaging and spying?
Not for the world!
Andy Card was an idiot - he couldn't get through an interview with Ted Koppel b/c the questions deviated from the GOPbot talking points.
I'm shocked... SHOCKED! that Charles Taylor is nowhere to be found!
http://seaxneat.blogspot.com/200...g-
surprise.html
I knew something was up when Nigeria said "you can have him, but you have to come get him."
I can just imagine Condi's self-congratulation on her brilliant diplomatic coup.
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Yep. Coup being the operative word here, somebody needs to tell her to SHUT TF UP!
ql,
Check the homepage (Thers's) for Rosie's latest misadventure. It involves packing peanuts.
Rummy won't be leaving. His company is about to hit a fracking gold mine!
by and by, here's the view from my house, pretty much. About two blocks from my house, really, but close enough.
wow! that looks really peaceful!
Charles Taylor and Abdul Rahman are at an undisclosed location, shooting old Republicans in the face.
wow! that looks really peaceful!
seaxneat
Yea, it is, even when it's stormy, which is most of the time. I'll take the ferry when I go over to Halifax this afternoon. I'll wave to you.
wtfwjd?:
It's OK, Lenovo is IBM.
[/snark]
Check the homepage (Thers's) for Rosie's latest misadventure. It involves packing peanuts.
NYMary
Okay, now Rosie's sounding like certain cats I know...
It is, by the way, thunderin' and lightninin' enough to rattle the windowpanes here in Austin this morning...
smalfish,
I believe they're also the patent holders for Tamiflu.
Tweet, tweet!
Yea, it is, even when it's stormy, which is most of the time. I'll take the ferry when I go over to Halifax this afternoon. I'll wave to you.
ahahahah! excellent!
Rummy won't be leaving. His company is about to hit a fracking gold mine!
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Promises, promises. Oh, let's promise to create a vaccine that is promising to work. Then let's do a media blitz about it and scare the hell out of everybody. Okay?
I believe they're also the patent holders for Tamiflu.
Zactly!
Bird flu and AIDS preventative. Looks like rummy really does'nt need all the pillagin after all. What he needs now is a fat government contract to make it mandatory eveyone in the world take this new pill.
Oh, and ql, you'll b glad to know that SP and I are under house arrest for the next two days. He has to beat a tenacious case of jaundice.
Well, as long as this new Josh guy can get cheeseburgers, it's all the same to George.
buh byeeeeeeeeeeeee!
NYMary,
Very cute. I hope Rosie isn't jealous of the new baby.
Better convene a blogger ethics panel with these secret social sitdowns between news organizations & Chimpy.
Remember: there are NO similarities between Iraq and Vietnam.
Better convene a blogger ethics panel with these secret social sitdowns between news organizations & Chimpy.
Ethics and chimpy never belong in the same sentance.
NYMary, the children are gorgeous.
Another one who wants to spend more time with his family, I suppose:
http://www.comcast.net/news/inde.../28/
355106.html
Well, as long as this new Josh guy can get cheeseburgers, it's all the same to George.
M31
Or make a liquor run
Better convene a blogger ethics panel with these secret social sitdowns between news organizations & Chimpy.
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Good Idea! Especially since we now know that the mess in Iraq is all because of the Media. They simply screwed George's war all to hell. Rummy can't get a war plan going with the media screwing it all up.
From WT:
QUESTION: What does that say to you and how do you answer the Vietnam comparison?
THE PRESIDENT: I think the analogy is false. I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops...
Isn't Bush saying the troops are pussies? You say "Vietnam" and they turn yellow and let the little brown people beat up on them.
Why won't Bush meet with progressive bloggers?
Oh, right.
Off-topic... A sugar-happy ant turns on his master.
He has to beat a tenacious case of jaundice.
NYMary
Well, good luck with that, my dear.
Your babies are beautiful. That's the first time I've seen a pic of Rosie - she's a living doll.
Hope you're feeling well.
Duncan,
You were mentioned briefly on "Morning Edition" regarding the FEC today.
Charles Taylor and Abdul Rahman are at an undisclosed location, shooting old Republicans in the face.
Moe Szyslak
They're hiding him with bin Laden.
hey watertiger: none whatever. For one thing, there isn't a draft.
I'm against draft on principle--the enlistment rate among the economically privileged, whatever their political persuasions, remains a very useful exit poll--but, were a draft in place, the level of street protest would, I think, more approach that seen during the Vietnam war...
WT,
"Sends wrong message to the troops"
Because our military, the greatest military force in the history of the world, can still be defeated by three syllables.
In that case...
IMPEACH BUSH!
Damn!
Now, that is some drug testing!
Wastewater from communities throughout the Potomac River Basin is being tested for the urinary byproducts of cocaine.
"Apparently, they're able to ascertain how many people may be using illicit drugs, in this case cocaine, with such studies," Board of Supervisors Chairman Gerry Connolly tells WTOP.
...
"It does not indicate that we have an unusual drug problem in Fairfax County," Connolly says. "I'll be interested, obviously, in the results. It's kind of an unusual study and an unusual request. Obviously, we're prepared to cooperate with any endeavor to try to make sure the use of illicit drugs is discouraged in our community."
What would Bush know about Viet Nam?
He spent it fucked up on coke and drunk off his ass.
They're hiding him with bin Laden.
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That palace in Saudi Arabia is getting more crowded by the day.
Off to play "The Godfather" video game. In just 24 hours I became an Underboss. I don't know if I should be impressed or really, really concerned about my killing prowess.
NYMary--thinking of you and yours...
atrios, do you know that santorum reads this place? you're the only liberal blog on his list, but apparently he reads blogs daily, and you're his "it" boy.
it's the top post at corrente (homepage). fuck. i can't believe it.
were a draft in place, the level of street protest would, I think, more approach that seen during the Vietnam war...
ProfWombat
There is no doubt about it. The fact that this war directly affects a few million as opposed to tens of millions is what is allowing it to become an "unpleasant" distraction.
Why does anyone in D.C. imagine that changing anyone aside from Bush and Cheney, will effect any change in the direction of this Administration?
It has done nothing different since 9/11, and shown no sign that it ever will. The idea that "new blood" will make any difference at all is simply whistling past the graveyard.
Now if we could just convince the Beltway Dems of that....
It is, by the way, thunderin' and lightninin' enough to rattle the windowpanes here in Austin this morning...
Fried our server here at work, but our hardworkin' TO guys got it up and running...
were a draft in place, the level of street protest would, I think, more approach that seen during the Vietnam war...
ProfWombat
The wingnuts who support Bush war so much would be pitching the biggest bitch.
Bolton's experience as OMB director should prepare him brilliantly for the Chief of Staff's principal responsibility in the Bush Administration.... fetching cheeseburgers:
"Go get me Andy Card," Bush said to one of the Secret Service agents. Card, the designee as chief of staff, entered from an adjoining room . . . Bush looked impatiently at Card, hard-eyed. "You're the chief of staff. You think you're up to getting us some cheeseburgers?"
Card nodded. No one laughed. He all but raced out of the room.
-from Suskind/O'NeilThe Price of Loyalty
Billmon took an interesting look at Andy Card last fall.
There is no doubt about it. The fact that this war directly affects a few million as opposed to tens of millions is what is allowing it to become an "unpleasant" distraction.
Attaturk
The unspoken noun there being "Americans," of course...
NY Mary,
Was Rosie trying to mail herself off? SP is just the cutest little thing!
It is, by the way, thunderin' and lightninin' enough to rattle the windowpanes here in Austin this morning...
rorschach
Send it on down Houston way. We need all the rain we can catch up on.
Yay, more stories about a flailing White House sinking in the polls as brave Republicans run away!
Just what I needed this morning!
A.
you're his "it" boy.
Be afraid! Be very very afraid!
Hey Santorum: suck my ass!
A general strike, on garbage day.
*sigh*
dude, Michael Bolten rocks!
Okay, WT - That's the second time in the past few weeks you've brought me to tears. 
Because our military, the greatest military force in the history of the world, can still be defeated by three syllables.
Attaturk
Oh, and let's not forget uppity women like Cindy Sheehan.
I mean, that thar Jane Fonda lost Viet Nam fer Murka.
Remember: there are NO similarities between Iraq and Vietnam.
The stories about the enlisted men are depressing, WT. As is the treatment of civilians. Eerily similar to 35 years ago.
For the life of me, I can't believe we're doing this all over again.
Josh Bolten is Hannity's cabin boy
dude, Michael Bolton rocks!
Elisabeth Bumlicker
MICHAEL Bolton would do a better job than any of these winners that Chimpy has around him now.
Then again, Michael being a pro-choice liberal Democrat..............
Rearranging deck chairs on the Bismarck.
Perfect.
Re: message to the troops
We'll send you into the desert without sufficient armor, in insufficient numbers, with no coherent plan for the occupation; we'll do so under false pretenses. We'll condone torture; we'll call the Geneva Conventions quaint. When you get home, we'll cut vets' benefits. To any vet willing to speak his/her mind in opposition, the examples of Max Cleland (insufficiently patriotic), John Kerry (liar, exaggerator, traitor) and John McCain (mentlly unstable) will be brought to bear by the people around a President who avoided service in the Champagne Unit of TANG.
That's a message to the troops, if ever I've seen one.
Send it on down Houston way. We need all the rain we can catch up on.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
Sorry, mon frer, but this front is sitting right atop our asses for a few days, according to all accounts. And the lightning and thunder have all three of my cats' tails puffed up bigtime.
For the life of me, I can't believe we're doing this all over again.
Billy B
I told my daughter that last night.
For the life of me, I can't believe we're doing this all over again.
The more desperate for a win by the leadership, the more we're going to hear stories like this.
Thanks, all!
RE: packing peanuts. Thers blew a gasket. "Who got something in freaking packing peanuts?!?" I pointed out that it had been a part for his laptop. Oops. But Rosie does seem to be settling in with the new arrival. She gets a little tetchy when he's nursing and she wants to be held, but mostly she likes him.
A general strike, on garbage day.
*sigh*
smitty werbenmanjensen
Eh well, these things happen.
And frankly, the unions don't have half as much power as they used to. This general strike is just a one-dayer, and the first really general general strike in quite some time. Back in the 70s there were strikes continually, to the point where it really wasn't funny.
were a draft in place, the level of street protest would, I think, more approach that seen during the Vietnam war...
ProfWombat
It's a little silly to talk about how there are no "street level protests" against the war and speculate on why they aren't getting larger.
There *was* a street level protest against the war last September that had anywhere between 250,000 and 500,000 people.
Not one Democrat outside the black caucus showed up.
This blog never mentioned it.
Had it gotten any spark from anybody in the Democratic Party or its supporters outside the black caucus, it would have expanded.
Bush was vulnerable in the wake of Katrina and Cindy Sheehan and *this* protest.
Only the Democrats saved him.
To any vet willing to speak his/her mind in opposition, the examples of Max Cleland (insufficiently patriotic), John Kerry (liar, exaggerator, traitor) and John McCain (mentally unstable) will be brought to bear by the people around a President who avoided service in the Champagne Unit of TANG.
I have no sympathy for McCain.
Rove & Company trashed him and his family in 2000 and STILL he bends over and spreads 'em!
I heard on FSRN last night that the regime is asking for more money for nuclear development and less money for nuclear waste clean-up.
She gets a little tetchy when he's nursing and she wants to be held, but mostly she likes him.
NYMary - 9:33 am
Prob'ly it will have by now become clear to her that the new 'thing' is not going anywhere...
.
For those amused by yesterday's installment of "Things that amuse geeks: Id10ts with attitudes", the follow up is that now Mr Taylor of Tuttle, OK, is asking "The Register" to make the nasty publicity go away.
El Reg
last week: "I have no fear of the media, in fact I welcome this publicity"
this week: "I think this is unjustified and would like for this to stop."
Ben, that you?
I pointed out that it had been a part for his laptop.
Oh, and since Robert Taylor's gone missing, why am I reminded of that line from "Hunt for Red October":
"Andrei, are you telling me you've lost ANOTHER submarine?"
It does sound like the British public service unions are getting jacked, so I guess I'm willing to tolerate my own squalor for awhile.
Sorry, mon frer, but this front is sitting right atop our asses for a few days, according to all accounts. And the lightning and thunder have all three of my cats' tails puffed up bigtime.
rorschach
And we have one just like it sitting on top of us for the next two days....
ProfWombat,
I couldn't agree more. They've sent their "message to the troops."
They're hiding him with bin Laden.
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That palace in Saudi Arabia is getting more crowded by the day.
PeasantParty
Saudi Arabia, my ass.
I'm talking Cheney's basement.
re: wastewater drug testing
A lot of drugs are principally eliminated in the urine. That means that steroids, say, are being dumped into the environment at the rate people consume them. I wonder sometimes about the ecological effects of that sometimes; haven't seen hard data or even speculation about it...
Start writing that book, Andy.
Drop a heavy heavy dime of these arrogant asses.
Be a hero for once.
Excellent!
Bolton has done such a wonderful job balancing the budget I'm sure he'll right this foundering ship of state in no time at all.
But Rosie does seem to be settling in with the new arrival. She gets a little tetchy when he's nursing and she wants to be held, but mostly she likes him
Yay Rosie.
Morning Batties.
I'm talking Cheney's basement.
Terry C
Taylor is in Pat Robertson's basement.
NYMary,and GWPDA--
Here's the good news: I've an interview this week which may land me a job at Tulane, as part of an initiative to revive the cultural life of New Orleans!!
Fingers and toes crossed for good luck!
This blog never mentioned it.
dat's just not true...
was plenty mentioned, iirc
and i think Hecate (?) attended and reported on it...
that was the day when the Pukes held their pathetic 'pro-war' demo...
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She gets a little tetchy when he's nursing and she wants to be held, but mostly she likes him.
NYMary - 9:33 am
Prob'ly it will have by now become clear to her that the new 'thing' is not going anywhere...
.
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
My parents tell me what shortly after my brother was born (2 years after me), I approached my mother and asked: "When are that baby's parents going to come pick him up?"
And she had to explain the new arrangements to me.
We actually get along quite well, now.
Why won't Bush meet with progressive bloggers?
Attaturk
Same reason he wouldn't meet with Cindy Sheehan.
He's a fucking rat bastard coward!
A mere re-arranging of the seats on the good ship Titanic that is Bush's woefull admin
A draft would mobilize college campuses, as it did in Vietnam. They definitely don't want that.
White House trying to suck up to the press after accusing them of treason, by meeting with them in off-the-record meetings and being all, like, you know, nice 'n stuff.
Naturally, many will fall for it.
.
Fingers and toes crossed for good luck!
rorschach | Homepage | 03.28.06 - 9:38 am
you go, Rors!!!
Too-lane?
it ain't LSU!!!
that was the day when the Pukes held their pathetic 'pro-war' demo...
.
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
Woody, was that the one 50 people attended?
Including JeffyLube?
SWR-- a lot of Dems are scared by the ANSWER boogeyman, evidently. So scared they can't organize their own demos.
rorschach,
Sending positive vibes your way!
Off for a bit, bats!
And the lightning and thunder have all three of my cats' tails puffed up bigtime.
I barely got Miss Karmina fed before she fled to the closet, The Place of Safety.
TerryC: hawaya?
I have even less sympathy for McCain than you do, were that possible. On the basis of his conduct toward Bush after they trashed him and his family, I wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher even if he's committed 'Letter From Birmingham Jail' to memory and has an Emma Goldman poster in his office. But the Bushies' willingness to trash his service remains part of the political calculus to which my post referred. They've mad it clear that, as in so many other cases with this administration, loyalty trumps all, and loyalty to Bush, rather than to country, at that. All the rhetoric about our brave and noble service people isn't worth more than a bucket of warm spit.
Bolton has done such a wonderful job balancing the budget I'm sure he'll right this foundering ship of state in no time at all.
That thought crossed my mind, also.
Woody, was that the one 50 people attended?
Including JeffyLube?
Terry C, Coldplayer - 9:40 am
60 i think, but yup...that's the one...
SWR-- a lot of Dems are scared by the ANSWER boogeyman, evidently. So scared they can't organize their own demos.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 03.28.06 - 9:40 am | #
Yep. Someone might wave a Palestinian flag or sell a Communist newspaper or something so it's better just to pretend these protests don't exist and speculate on the possible reasons why they don't exist.
Maxine Waters showed up.
The only Democrats who really have any guts on the war are in the black caucus.
I'm sure having Josh Bolten replace Andy Card will change everything.
Deck chairs. Titanic.
Here's the good news: I've an interview this week which may land me a job at Tulane, as part of an initiative to revive the cultural life of New Orleans!!
That's great! Best of good luck, rorschach.
You know guys, trying to organize a general strike in a country this large is not going to be possible.
Someone could no doubt pull it off for part of the country. But my god, this country is huge and there are a lot of people and not as much homogeneity as there is in smaller countries.
I've an interview this week which may land me a job at Tulane, as part of an initiative to revive the cultural life of New Orleans!!
rorschach
Cool! Does that mean, if you get it, you're inviting all of us down there for a big party?
Congrats and good luck!
What?!?!? No Presidential Medal of Freedom??? Dubya better wreck-ta-fy this pronto, or Card may not be as grateful an ex-employee as the others....
Cheers,
Okay, bats, I'm gonna go curl up under the covers and listen to the thunder and rain and contemplate what I should say to land me this job...
Back later, I reckon.
Phoenix Woman: upstairs, someone suggested deck chairs on the 'Bismarck' instead...
OT: Happy Censure Day!
What happened on this date in history?
President Jackson censured by the Senate in 1834 Jackson was censured by the Senate on March 28, 1834 because of a disagreement about the Second Bank of the United States.
I'm sure having Josh Bolten replace Andy Card will change everything.
Deck chairs. Titanic.
And it's already hit the 'burg, so talk about the futility--
Any reports on whose family Andy is gonna spend time with?
rorschach - That's wonderful. I know things haven't been going so well in Austin.
I'm delighted for you.
Cool! Does that mean, if you get it, you're inviting all of us down there for a big party?
Congrats and good luck!
sister of ye
But of course!
All the rhetoric about our brave and noble service people isn't worth more than a bucket of warm spit.
where's a John Nance Garner when you need one???
.
Imus was hysterical on this today. He demanded
MSNBC cut away from Josh Bolten droning on cuz it was so boring! And they did.
OT: The story about undercover agents being able to smuggle dirty-bomb components (including radioactive materials) past US Customs has got me pretty pissed off.
I mean, they're still doing "random searches" of grandmothers and toddlers, and you can't get on a plane with anything that has a corner or edge on it, but somehow they miss radioactive material.
I'm not really worried that a bomb might be detonated, because it seems to me a lot like worrying about being struck by lightning. What pisses me off is the way they have cracked down on citizens and mongered huge doses of fear for the past five years, yet apparently done absolutely nothing of substance to protect the country.
Meanwhile, they'll continue to pimp the lie that we're "safer" under Bush.
I always cringe when I hear rumblings about Bushies getting booted out of their sanctuary.
People like Rummy, Card, Turd Blossom, etc...help the Democrats.
Their constant bumbling and fumbling on issues will only increase the publics distaste with all things corrupt about Shrubs administration and make the Republican Avalanche of Corruption more profound.
I say, keep them around, they're doing a fine job of flucking things up.
Yeah HUGE improvement... No actually this is a totally pointless PR move.
R2K
That's great! Best of good luck, rorschach.
masculine_monica_nyc | 03.28.06 - 9:43 am | #
And thank you. It feels, dare I say it, fated... (which means it'll suck all the worse when it falls thru)
You know guys, trying to organize a general strike in a country this large is not going to be possible.
Fox News seems terrified of a massive upsurge of immigrants though.
The LA protest was on every 20 minutes.
I think maybe the "ruling class" screwed themselves by hiring Mexicans instead of Amerrricuns.
You can't coopt people you don't want in your country or your culture.
Culture = Control
Banning People from that culture = Lack of Control
This is not much of a change, really, just another member of the cabal.
It's not like they brought in a responsible adult to hold Chimpy's hand.
Andy Card is as guilty as anyone for the troubles in this country - for coddling and enabling the idiot man-child all these years.
Good luck, rorshach!
Thank you, Tena.
There *was* a street level protest against the war last September that had anywhere between 250,000 and 500,000 people.
And just like all the other major protests that have been held since Bush usurped the White House, the US media ignored it.
Remember, CNN tried to tell us that only 500 protesters were at Bush's first Unaugural. This when their own damn TV cameras were showing that many on a single street corner.
You know guys, trying to organize a general strike in a country this large is not going to be possible.
Unless it's a Latino general strike, evidently.
I'm with SWR on this one: Funny how a bunch of non-citizens can organize a half-million people demonstrating in the streets of LA over one bill in Congress, but connected and wealthy Democrats actually holding office can't organize any meaningful resistance to a war that has killed tens of thousands.
The Wikipedia says Garner referred to the Vice Presidency as not worth a bucketful of warm piss, and 'spit' was substituted as more acceptable...
Phoenix Woman: upstairs, someone suggested deck chairs on the 'Bismarck' instead...
ProfWombat | 03.28.06 - 9:44 am | #
GMTA!
And thank you, plantsman, my comrade.
Any reports on whose family Andy is gonna spend time with?
Federal prosecutors?
This blog never mentioned it.
I was there and the first thing I did when I got home was to report it here.
btw, there were a lot of people, but not anywhere close to 500,000.
The counter protesters were quite amusing. Every doofus rightwing stereotype you could thing of, including that weird old guy who shows up everywhere dressed entirely in American flags (including his area, blech).
I knew Rosie would come around. And there's plenty of love to go around in that house.
Andy Card was an enabler. He'd have 'freshened' Bush's drinks were he asked.
Come to think of it, the sort of confabulation that alcoholics with Wernicke-Korsakoff encephalopathy practice isn't a bad metaphor for what Bush does when he isn't reading a prepared text...
The troglodyte anti-human Congresscritters are starting to run scared on the immigration issue, as well the bastids should!
I always cringe when I hear rumblings about Bushies getting booted out of their sanctuary.
People like Rummy, Card, Turd Blossom, etc...help the Democrats.
I agree with you myrna, except when it comes to Rove. Without Rove, that whole machine in the WH is a headless chicken and it would be great if Rove went to jail.
Remember, CNN tried to tell us that only 500 protesters were at Bush's first Unaugural. This when their own damn TV cameras were showing that many on a single street corner.
Phoenix Woman | Homepage | 03.28.06 - 9:47 am | #
I was there, too. A lot of people I know were shocked when they saw the footage Michael Moore used in F911. They had no idea what went on that day.
Good luck rorschach. They need you.
... the real issue is how soon OMB becomes as useless as Treasury.
Haven't been paying attention. OMB has been quite ... -- umm, "useful" -- to the maladministration, IIRC, producing whatever cooked numbers Rove wants so that when the real ones come out later, they can say "not as bad as predicted, see, we're turning the corner", and Dubya doesn't look like such a friggin' disaster. But doing that makes OMB useless for what it is supposed to be doing....
Cheers,
Only the Democrats saved him.
SWR
I would amend that slightly: the status quo saved him.
America is all about the "status quo," and we don't just restrict the idea to social standing or public morals. This is where the rather cliched assault on "bourgeois mentality" actually sinks its fangs in and gains a purchase. We are all about the "status quo."
Bush represents the shifting of that status quo as far to one extreme as it can go. But expecting it to snap back (a la, shall we say, France?) just isn't going to happen.
Which is why we have to consider our options carefully.
I'm not really worried that a bomb might be detonated, because it seems to me a lot like worrying about being struck by lightning. What pisses me off is the way they have cracked down on citizens and mongered huge doses of fear for the past five years, yet apparently done absolutely nothing of substance to protect the country.
Meanwhile, they'll continue to pimp the lie that we're "safer" under Bush.
Doc
did you see gary hart on the colbert report. he very matter of factly stated the u.s. will be hit again. no equivocation like he has in the past. hart was a part of the commission appointed by clinton to determine coming threats and totally predicted 9/11; their report was released at the end of 2000 and thoroughly ignored.
but connected and wealthy Democrats actually holding office can't organize any meaningful resistance to a war that has killed tens of thousands.
Moe Szyslak - 9:47 am
true, dat...and a really apt observation.
Doc, that's why I've been convinced for some time that the GWOT is nothing but a marketing tool to justify cutting back civil liberties.
It's why Bush & Co., at the very least, let 9/11 happen, and may have been in on it.
Marketing and dirty ops are the only things they do well.
Wasn't Andy Card the one Bush sent out for cheeseburgers?
Wasn't Andy Card the one Bush sent out for cheeseburgers?
Rep Peter King Turd-NY was frothing at the mouth again about "illegals". God, I'm sooooo tired of the 9/11 excuse!
I'm with SWR on this one: Funny how a bunch of non-citizens can organize a half-million people demonstrating in the streets of LA over one bill in Congress, but connected and wealthy Democrats actually holding office can't organize any meaningful resistance to a war that has killed tens of thousands.
The Border Angels Guy on O'Reilly and Josh Hoyt on Tucker Carlson were both great interviews.
For Mexican immigrants this creeping fascism is real. That march in LA is going to make the Tom Tancredos of the world think twice.
Oops - marketing, dirty ops, and looting are the only things they do well.
It feels, dare I say it, fated... (which means it'll suck all the worse when it falls thru)
Hey, you're prepared and well qualified. That's the best way to meet fate.
You can't coopt people you don't want in your country or your culture.
If the leftward trend in Latin America continues, perhaps they can teach Murkins to be accidental revolutionaries...
I had no idea until I saw F 9/11 that there were protesters who egged his limo. I had no idea.
I even didn't know babies came in packing peanuts.
I was there, too. A lot of people I know were shocked when they saw the footage Michael Moore used in F911. They had no idea what went on that day.
abyssgazer
and that is why michael moore is such a target by the media and ridiculed to diminish him -- moore revealed their failures and lies in a way impossible to deny.
Good luck, ror!!!
Funny how a bunch of non-citizens can organize a half-million people demonstrating in the streets of LA over one bill in Congress
No, it isn't. It affects their livelihood, involves Money and economic survival.
9/11 changed a lot of attitudes. When push comes to shove, not enough really care about some war thousands of miles away and not enough know someone over there.
Gotta go. Let's bring this beast down.
The only Democrats who really have any guts on the war are in the black caucus.
SWR | 03.28.06 - 9:42 am | #
I'm recalling the sad spectacle of their inability to get even ONE senator to support their efforts to open debate on the 2000 (s)election.
Not one.
"My parents tell me what shortly after my brother was born (2 years after me), I approached my mother and asked: "When are that baby's parents going to come pick him up?""
classic. given my tastes and conflicting lack of wealth, i've always believed i was switched at birth.
For Mexican immigrants this creeping fascism is real. That march in LA is going to make the Tom Tancredos of the world think twice.
SWR
I'd settle for rendering them powerless and politically impotent.
but connected and wealthy Democrats actually holding office can't organize any meaningful resistance to a war that has killed tens of thousands.
The anti-war rallies might be more successful if they actually *were* anti-war rallies and not "free Mumia," pro-living wage, and anti-racism rallies.
Also, it's just a fact that Americans are not going to go to the trouble unless something affects them personally and immediately. Bring back the draft and you'll see some rallies.
So who thinks that Scalia will actually recuse himself from the detainee argument today?
I'm certainly voting no, quack quack quack.
I even didn't know babies came in packing peanuts.
Haven't read about this yet, but there goes my stork theory.
America is all about the "status quo," and we don't just restrict the idea to social standing or public morals.
True that. Because America is all about fear.
For Mexican immigrants this creeping fascism is real. That march in LA is going to make the Tom Tancredos of the world think twice.
A bloke named Gustavo popped up at the nursery next door yesterday after a 3 month holiday with the family in Mexico. He looks fine, but I know he had to do some sleight of hand at the border. Poor folks!
the only people that have any "guts" on the 'war' are those who started it and those who have been against it.
smaller percentages of the population than you might think- only one has a lot of $ behind it.
so if/when the $ turns against the 'war', then you will see protests making headlines, whether Democrats are there or not.
Zees changes nosing!
R2K
Score one for Rove.
Remember him?
Also, it's just a fact that Americans are not going to go to the trouble unless something affects them personally and immediately. Bring back the draft and you'll see some rallies.
You said it.
but connected and wealthy Democrats actually holding office can't organize any meaningful resistance to a war that has killed tens of thousands.
Moe Szyslak - 9:47 am
A lot of the LA and Chicago protests were organized through Spanish speaking radio. There were some popular DJs in both cities who pushed it relentlessly.
Had you asked me a few years ago what would have been the primary engine driving people into the anti-war movement, I might have said liberal/left blogs.
Alas, it didn't happen.
Morning.
Late to the thread.
Did Andy leave right before Sherrif Fitzpatrick came and got him?
Jeffers: Bush represents the shifting of that status quo as far to one extreme as it can go.
though i hope you're right about that, i frankly doubt it...we can go a LOT further to the right, and no doubt will...
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I hope that leftist fervor in So America spreads. And I think it will.
Yah, Robert, we're about the status quo because humans are about that. But I do think that by pulling this country so far to the right, they are begging for a backlash that doesn't stop until it has gone a long way to the left. Might not happen overnight, but then neither did the right wing backlash that finally put the fascists in power.
I say, keep them around, they're doing a fine job of flucking things up.
myrna frap
I might agree, if politics were the only consideration. But there's people dying because of them - American troops and Iraqis because of the war, old people and kids because of neglect here.
And they're hinting about using nukes. Every day their in risks more unnecessary death and destruction.
True that. Because America is all about fear.
Culture of Truth, Semper Pizza
The National History Lesson of WWII: if we aren't afraid, we will be attacked.
A march of 500,000 brown folk through LA won't make the Tancredos think twice; they'll be confirmed in their belief that immigrants pose a clear and present danger to the Republic. The march might just, though, point out to, say (and I speak with wild optimism here), the Democrats that there's a constituency out there for fairness and decency that they'd do well to support...
Hi, I'm Josh, your new waiter. How may I enable you?
The anti-war rallies might be more successful if they actually *were* anti-war rallies and not "free Mumia," pro-living wage, and anti-racism rallies.
You mean "support our troops bring them home and don't mention the dead Iraqis" rallies.
No thanks.
Maybe the anti-racism part of the anti-war rallies gets at why we're in Iraq a little better than "Bush Lied".
Bush lied but he didn't fool anybody. That's the real issue. Why was he able to lie in plain site and push us into Iraq when the only people he fooled were a few Democratic politicians?
Peter King on his nutty legislation nobody supports:
"9/11 changed the world."
He's was practically hyperventilating.
Oh, he also went on a vicious tirade against the Catholic church with it's liberal political agenda.
Say what???
And they're hinting about using nukes. Every day their in risks more unnecessary death and destruction.
I just hate when they bandy those about like Tootsie Pops!
Rove pushes Card out. Why?
"The anti-war rallies might be more successful if they actually *were* anti-war rallies and not "free Mumia," pro-living wage, and anti-racism rallies."
agreed. it seems like the left has difficulty with focus....everyone wants their pet issue mentioned.
Morning, bats.
But I do think that by pulling this country so far to the right, they are begging for a backlash that doesn't stop until it has gone a long way to the left.
I'd love to agree with you but to me this smacks of wishful thinking.
In the last 25 years (Clinton era included, unfortunately), the neofascists have successfully corrupted so many institutions -- the media, the judiciary, religions -- that it's equivalent to trying to cut a 200-pound tumor out of a 150-pound man -- won't be much left.
And that doesn't take into account the fact that our voting system is now completely compromised unless radical action is taken, and soon.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you....
Oh, he also went on a vicious tirade against the Catholic church with it's liberal political agenda.
He don't need no stinkin' Good Samaritans!
R McGeddon: that's twice in just a morning you've hit it...
Not one.
abyssgazer - 9:55 am
that was especially egregious.
i shall never ever forgive the gutless fux for that breach, that loss of courage, that absence of spine!
The anti-war rallies might be more successful if they actually *were* anti-war rallies and not "free Mumia," pro-living wage, and anti-racism rallies.
Also, it's just a fact that Americans are not going to go to the trouble unless something affects them personally and immediately. Bring back the draft and you'll see some rallies.
Halfdan | 03.28.06 - 9:55 am | #
I agree with your last point, but disagree with your first point. The focus on the rallies I've attended has been on the war (or threat of war). There are always the "free Mumia" types, the anarchists, , etc. and, unfortunately, while a small minority, those are the groups the media will choose to represent the whole. It helps marginalize any growing anti-war movement.
The National History Lesson of WWII: if we aren't afraid, we will be attacked.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
I used to think so too. But considering how little Americans know even about their history as recent as that I'm more inclined to think that it's a byproduct, very useful to fascists, of the steady stream of lousy, sensationalist, TV drama that comes with post-literacy.
I think the children have been being told scary stories and they're afraid of their shadows.
Lyn Nofziger has died. As if global warming wasn't bad enough already.
Rove pushes Card out. Why?
Cosmetic change.
Get rid of the guy who has the least responsibility and actually means nothing.
How crazed do you have to be to attack the Catholic church for being left wing? As the Peter King, I guess.
Yah, Robert, we're about the status quo because humans are about that.
Well, there's "status quo" for the sake of appearances (very American, very bourgeois) and there's status quo for the sake of the society in general.
Protection of the latter is what has the French rioting in the streets right now. They are rejecting the very capitalism we espouse. And it's because our "Anglo-Saxon capitalism" as they derisively label it, feeds on people.
The French would rather have a system that feeds people, than have a system they feed people to.
Which was the point of my all too subtle blogwhore.
..we can go a LOT further to the right, and no doubt will...
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Woody, can I very gently say something? You also swore up one side and down the other that they would shut down the blogs. They didn't.
You were convinced that immigration was a winning issue for the Repugs. I don't think so.
We aren't going any further right, not now. not with the amount of criticism going around, not with the amount of light that has been shed on this administration and what they are up to.
There's nothing like having your very livelihood threatened ( and popular DJ's) to rally folks.
The French would rather have a system that feeds people, than have a system they feed people to.
I'm stealing that!
So when do Catholic priests start refusing communion to politicians who voted to make providing aid to illegal immigrants a felony?
"We aren't going any further right, not now. not with the amount of criticism going around, not with the amount of light that has been shed on this administration and what they are up to."
but will the democrats push 'left'? i think not. they seem to be all about being 'center', which allows the right to pull them ever-rightward.
Peter King on his nutty legislation nobody supports:
"9/11 changed the world."
He's was practically hyperventilating.,/i>
Yeah, it allow some drunken fascist loser to begin scaring the shit out of the entire globe.
We aren't going any further right, not now. not with the amount of criticism going around, not with the amount of light that has been shed on this administration and what they are up to.
Gentle Lady, I hope you are correct.
olvlzl--
We agree. The "National History Lesson" is the one we tell ourselves, and has about as much connection to reality as the story of Washington and the cherry tree, or the log cabin Abe Lincoln was born in, which he built with his own hands.
A whole lot of ignorance, in other words, masquerading as wisdom. Which is how we got ourselves into a completely unjustifiable war, and still don't seem to have a clue, as a nation, how we got here, or what to do about it.
I'll retire to Bedlam....
So when does Card start his new gig as FOX pundit? How many boards of directors will he be on by this afternoon?
Molly Ivins, nothing if not practical, has said that we have to concentrate on
ending the war, national healthcare and financial security for the working classs. The job of the left has to be to win back power. Nothing else is possible without it.
Woody, can I very gently say something? You also swore up one side and down the other that they would shut down the blogs. They didn't.
not yet...
we ain't outta da woods yet, dahlin...and i do not know why you'd thnk we were...
and the real danger is not in the 'official' constraints, but the 'economic' ones which the big com companie are working on...
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I'm sure having Josh Bolten replace Andy Card will change everything.
3/28 changed everything.
but will the democrats push 'left'? i think not. they seem to be all about being 'center', which allows the right to pull them ever-rightward.
jdw
The status quo, IOW.
I'm sure having Josh Bolten replace Andy Card will change everything.
Just another cheeseburger in paradise.
A lot of drugs are principally eliminated in the urine. That means that steroids, say, are being dumped into the environment at the rate people consume them. I wonder sometimes about the ecological effects of that sometimes; haven't seen hard data or even speculation about it...
ProfWombat | 03.28.06 - 9:37 am | #
Hmm. This is interesting. I believe that the courts have already established that the police can dig through the trash left at the curb, without a warrant. So could some over-zealous cop do the same thing with wastewater leaving an individual's house?
If it wasn't for Cindy Sheehan, those "free Mumia" types would be the only ones in the street protesting the war.
Just sayin'.
You mean "support our troops bring them home and don't mention the dead Iraqis" rallies.
No thanks.
Much better that the dead Iraqis keep piling up. What exactly is it that you want? Do you want the war to end or do you just want people to know how radical you are?
Robert - Blogwhore away and I'll continue to pimp you as well - I pimp your blog all the time.
I voted for you in the Koufaxes. I love your blog. I love it because you don't post shallow shit - it's always meaningful and always well-reasoned.
How's that for a Tuesday morning?
Rove pushes Card out. Why?
Cosmetic change.
New Nickname: Josh "Botox" Bolten
If it wasn't for Cindy Sheehan, those "free Mumia" types would be the only ones in the street protesting the war.
Interesting to think about why the "Free Mumia" types were't fooled by Bush in 2002 the way most Democrats and sensible elite liberals were.
Did Mumia have a tape saying "There are no WMDs in Iraq" circulating.
/sarcasm
How's that for a Tuesday morning?
Tena
Almost better than coffee!
Which I now need to go brew.
Question:
how long would you continue to post here if every time you punched the Publish button, it cost you half-a-buck?
"We aren't going any further right, not now. not with the amount of criticism going around, not with the amount of light that has been shed on this administration and what they are up to."
Oh yes we are. Things have been set in motion that will only be stopped by someone taking active steps to stop it. It's going to take protests like we saw last weekend on a whole number of issues to convince pols to stop the slide and I don't see that happening. In my opinion anyway.
Being in Iraq sends the wrong message to the troops.
Woody - I knew you'd say that and I considered holding off until things were more settled. I don't think everything is hunky dory and I don't think we are out of the woods.
I do think, and always have, that it is not wise to make guaranteed pronouncements about what this administration or this country's population is going to do. I don't think the country is going to let them lock us down.
It sure looks that way the last - what, 4 days? - as the demonstrations grow.
how long would you continue to post here if every time you punched the Publish button, it cost you half-a-buck?
Last I checked, it pretty much does unless you're getting some free internet service that the rest of us don't know about.
Much better that the dead Iraqis keep piling up. What exactly is it that you want? Do you want the war to end or do you just want people to know how radical you are?
It's only going to end when people see the racial causes behind it.
And to bring that up you're going to look radical and scare people.
Fortunately the United States is a multicultural country with lots of different ethnic groups that don't scare quite as easily some people.
Conyers spoke at the Millions More March and wasn't afraid of being seen with Farakhan.
Too bad wankers like Howard Dean and Russ Feingold were so afraid of being seen with Cindy Sheehan.
Let's take lessons from black and Mexican Americans and question our assumptions a bit.
Of course, they may felonize and deport any of us who support Latinos in their quest for equal rights.
SWR: grew up with folks who thought denouncing Stalin was red-baiting. They wasted a lot of time and moral capital in the attempt to demonstrate that one could be both an apologist for Stalin and a civil libertarian.
So yes, Mumia should be freed. And yes, the 'Free Mumia' folks in retrospect were pretty correct about the Iraq 'involvement.' But it's more complicated than you seem to accept. Been there, done that...
Short of martial law - and that's not going to happen without one hell of a big something and even then I don't think the country will respond to this administration positively - the blog issue is settled, Woody.
They voted on it.
BlakNo1--my point is just that it's disingenuous to to hold an "every leftist issue under the sun" rally and then wonder why no one paid attention to your "anti-war" rally.
Wombat: I wonder sometimes about the ecological effects of that sometimes; haven't seen hard data or even speculation about it...
you're an MD, right?
tena (or was it pie) was all over me a coupla months ago for repeating the info i had seen that there were noticeable traces of xanax and paxil and a bunch of other pacifying drugs getting into the water because there were/are no filters available for purifying them out after they pass through the human waste system...
waddayaknow about dat?
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Short of martial law - and that's not going to happen without one hell of a big something
Tena --
Sadly, I think one more staged -- or unstaged -- terror attack on a major American city and most Americans -- already primed to live in fear by '24'
and other Fox propaganda -- would WELCOME martial law.
Let's take lessons from black and Mexican Americans and question our assumptions a bit.
SWR
If I really thought you might actually question your own assumptions, I might join you in that. But you don't seem to be willing to do that.
SWR: grew up with folks who thought denouncing Stalin was red-baiting. They wasted a lot of time and moral capital in the attempt to demonstrate that one could be both an apologist for Stalin and a civil libertarian.
Actually the first large demonstrations against the Vietnam War were organized in 1965 by the PL Party (hard core stalinists). I don't think SDS turned against it until later.
MLK came around in 1967.
Without that groundwork laid by the PL in 1965 you wouldn't have had a frame for the later demonstrations.
And MLK never said "oh Gosh there are hippies and radical looking people in the anti-war movement so I'd better pretend it doesn't exist".
Oh please, the media will just look for another way to demonize your cause if you stuff all the ANSWER kids in the closet.
I'll say this, I identify far more with the papier-mache puppet carriers and the tye-dye freaks than I do with the gutless mainstream democratic majority, that's for damn sure.
If I really thought you might actually question your own assumptions, I might join you in that. But you don't seem to be willing to do that.
Tena | Homepage | 03.28.06 - 10:15 am | #
Why should I. Bush didn't fool me in 2002 the way he fooled most people here.
I always knew the war was bullshit.
Why should I question that?
I'll question plenty of other assumptions but I'll never give one fucking inch to anybody who played sensible liberal back in 2002.
And I don't care how obnoxious you think that makes me.
They voted on it.
Tena - 10:13 am
the matter upon which 'they' voted has absolutely NOTHING to do with private/corpoRat interference having NOTHING to do with political participation...
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Woody - I said that I had not seen anything anywhere that indicated that anyone was suffering from the effects of those drugs in the water supply. I also said that if babies and old people were being effected, I think it would have been news.
If I'm proven wrong about that - so be it.
Wasn't I that time, woody.
Right now, I have to worry about traces of arsenic in the well water, which isn't discovered until you perform a test when you're selling a house in Michigan.
Or you can do so anyway and install another special filter.
I don't know, at least by rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, you might end up with a better view or more pleasant company.
But this... this is more like rearranging the salt shakers on the Hindenberg.
I'll say this, I identify far more with the papier-mache puppet carriers and the tye-dye freaks than I do with the gutless mainstream democratic majority, that's for damn sure.
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 03.28.06 - 10:16 am | #
When the worm really turns and people really start rebelling against Bush, those college kids with Palestinian flags are going to look moderate.
They'll be begging for Free Mumia signs and puppets.
Gummo - get your head up and breathe.
Why would the 70% or so of Americans who hate Bush's guts turn around and ask him for help?
You misread the public, and I understand why - we got burned by 9/11. That was 5 years ago and a lot has changed. A whole lot.
It's only going to end when people see the racial causes behind it.
Nonsense. The Vietnam war ended before people saw the "racial causes" behind it.
Bush didn't fool me in 2002 the way he fooled most people here.
You're getting ahead of yourself. Bush didn't fool people here in 2000, whether they were posting or not.
You're getting ahead of yourself. Bush didn't fool people here in 2000, whether they were posting or not.
pie | Homepage | 03.28.06 - 10:20 am | #
I wasn't really around here when the Senate approved the Iraqi War resolution.
But I was around here when John Kerry ran on a pro-war platform. And it fooled people.
Karl's Mood ring must be glowing green.
http://medianeedle.blogspot.com/.../cards-
out.html
Nonsense. The Vietnam war ended before people saw the "racial causes" behind it.
Halfdan | 03.28.06 - 10:20 am | #
Really?
You don't think the seed of the anti-war movement was in the civil rights movement and MLK and the black power movement had anything to do with ending it?
I always knew the war was bullshit.
So did I. But because I don't wave Palestinian flags, my knowledge resulted from false consciousness and therefore it doesn't really count, and my perspective should be discarded.
I know how these things work. It's like some kind of cool sleight of hand that wows college freshman but after a few years it's very obvious how it's done and frankly it becomes tiresome.
SWR, you don't know what Kerry would have done if he had been president.
Bush said a lot of things in 2000 that turned out to be lies. He sure conned a number of Americans who should have known better.
I say Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq.
We'll never know.
Well, now that I've succeeded in becoming pissed off, and hopefully given a little back in return(it's only fair), I will take my leave.
WGG: like I said, haven't heard. I'd be more curious about the steroids. docs are scared a bit of steroids; they're powerful drugs with a wide range of effects. It's equally true of the SSRIs (Paxil, Celexa, like that), but haven't heard. Seems to me there are a few decent research opportunities there; it's largely untrolled...
SWR:
PL, as outright Stalinists, opposed the Vietnam War, correctly, but on many occasions demanded of their allies an ideological purity which, in my opinion, retarded the antiwar movement, though they were in some ways in its vanguard. The contrast with King couldn't have been greater; that's why King was killed, and the PL still exist...
Really?
You don't think the seed of the anti-war movement was in the civil rights movement and MLK and the black power movement had anything to do with ending it?
Ah yes. I remember now when the majority of Americans held hands and sang kumbaya and ended racism. Good times.
pie: my guess is that Kerry wouldn't have gotten us into Iraq, that he would've gone with aggressive UN inspection and kept Saddam within his borders.
Bush didn't fool me in 2002 the way he fooled most people here.
You're getting ahead of yourself. Bush didn't fool people here in 2000, whether they were posting or not
Oh come on. He was my governor. I knew exactly what to expect. I did not know it would go quite as far as it has, but then, I didn't know that 9/11 was going to happen. And neither did you.
SWR:
The contrast with King couldn't have been greater; that's why King was killed, and the PL still exist...
Not a good analogy. Fred Hampton and most of the Panthers were murdered outrightly by the government and they were hardcore Maoist radicals.
I think that Nixon was terrified of a radical upsurge and held back because of it. There are even stories that he had planned to use nukes until he saw a huge march in DC and thought about the possibility of a real insurrection.
Had the anti-war movement shut up, put on suits and ties, and supported Humphrey in 1968, we'd probably still be in Vietnam.
And SWR, you just made it clear you refuse to question your own assumptions.
Why does that not surprise me?
Halfdan, views like yours is why, most days, I'm so tempted to just wipe my ass with this stupid party and just not care anymore.
Oh come on. He was my governor. I knew exactly what to expect. I did not know it would go quite as far as it has, but then, I didn't know that 9/11 was going to happen. And neither did you.
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Nope. I hadn't anticipated the cowardnice of the American people.
Had you asked me about what a potential terrorist attack on that magnitude would have done back in 2000 I probalby would have said "wow. Bush would be fucked."
Had you said "well, Bush is going to shoot up in the polls. A Democratically controlled Senate is going to give him his preemptive war his fascist Patriot Act" I would have said you were crazy.
It never occurred to me that the American people could be so cowardly, cravenly racist, and downright stupid as they turned out to be.
I has "assumed" they'd act differently. I would up questioning that.
Halfdan, views like yours is why, most days, I'm so tempted to just wipe my ass with this stupid party and just not care anymore.
BlakNo1, which view is that? I can be against the war, against corporatism, against free-market idol-worship, against right-wing fundamentalism, in favor of fair taxation and labor laws, in favor of holding the Bush administration accountable for all their crimes, and against the vast majority of Democratic politicians, but since we part on whether Mumia is relevant to ending the war on Iraq then therefore I am proof that all is lost?
Good grief. No wonder we always lose.
St. Albans school, Princeton University and Stanford Law
...to the manor born.
SWR: I'm with you more than I'm not. That being said, there's still a lot to say. I didn't vote for Humphrey, as many of us did not, for what seemed at the time like good reasons. We got Nixon in a close election instead.
There was no shortage of martyrs to persecution, including Fred and many others. Not my point.
If you were there, you remember the extent to which, if you went to, say, a PL meeting or an SDS meeting or like that, there wasn't much diversity of opinion allowed. From a decades later perspective, I believe that to be a mistake. Doesn't mean there was, and is, a lot of truth to the left criticisms of politics and society. Does mean, though, that we have to get the ADA crowd as well as the Sparticists (also still around) and those generally disgusted with Bush without a rigid ideological perspective to all line up against the bastards who currently run this country...
but since we part on whether Mumia is relevant to ending the war on Iraq then therefore I am proof that all is lost?
No. We part on whether you should allow your fear of being seen in the same march with a few Free Mumia signs to prevent you from going.
It's an incredibly cheap copout. Any mainstream Democratic politician could have spoke at that march on September 24th and focused the attention of the speeches away from Mumia or whatever.
But they chose not to.
But hey, Moveon.org or any other democratically affiliated group is free to organize a support our troops pro israel no mumia signs or anything but suits and ties anti-war movement if they want.
Why don't they?
Turning to Bolten, Bush described his new chief of staff as a creative thinker and a strong advocate for accountability and effective management in the federal government.
I wonder if that shouldn't read:
"Turning to Bolten, Bush described his new chief of staff as a strong advocate and a creative thinker when it comes to accountability and effective management in the federal government."
[... like "creative accounting"...]
If you were there, you remember the extent to which, if you went to, say, a PL meeting or an SDS meeting or like that, there wasn't much diversity of opinion allowed.
Well, I read the history differently. I see Humphrey introducing legislation to outlaw the communist party back in the 50s (real civil libertarian that HHH) and having read the memoirs of some of the main Marxists they did indeed allow "mainstream" people in their marches.
Of course they could be lying. I dunno.
No. We part on whether you should allow your fear of being seen in the same march with a few Free Mumia signs to prevent you from going.
Since when did I say that? What I said was that to be successful, anti-war rallies should be anti-war rallies and not "living wage" or "end racism" rallies, as laudable as such causes might be.
In any case, you yourself said "no thanks" to a "bring the troops home" rally so I don't really see what your complaint is. You wouldn't go to their rallies so why should you expect them to come to yours?
In any case, you yourself said "no thanks" to a "bring the troops home" rally so I don't really see what your complaint is. You wouldn't go to their rallies so why should you expect them to come to yours?
Of course I would go to a "Support the Troops Bring them Home" rally.
The question is why no Democratic politician outside the black caucus will.
The question is why no Democratic politician outside the black caucus will.
Well maybe they don't want to bring them home.
Would the 1968 Humphrey been better than the 1968 Nixon? I think so. Would he have been my choice among all available candidates? No, as I said.
Were the 1950s Communists entirely benign? Certainly, they were victimized, oppressed, like that. My dad lost a job and would up before a subcommittee; I know Frank Donner. I bow to no one in my loathing of that political process and those people. In retrospect, though, there was a lot of twisting and turning on the left that accommodated the horrors of Stalin and Mao that need not have occurred, were human life thought worth preserving even in 'Communist' countries. To this day, people spend too much time defending the indefensible rather than attacking that which eminently deserves to be attacked.
Martin Luther King, in taking a position that depended not on ideology, was, in some ways, as much a threat to the PL and like that as he was to the right. Some of the denunciations of King from the left would make uncomfortable reading today.
Actually the first large demonstrations against the Vietnam War were organized in 1965 by the PL Party (hard core stalinists)....
The Progressive Labor Party is Marxist, not Stalinist. Brought my brother (a PLP member) -- who's no aficionado of folk music -- to a Billy Bragg concert one time, being as BB might be on the small intersection between music I like and his tastes (BB's a bit of a rocker, and certainly electric). I thought he'd appreciate the politics. Asked him after the show how he liked it. He said he liked the music. "But, but, but..." said I, "What about the politics?..."
"Nope," sez he, "he's a Trotskyite revisionist...."
The various commie factions are not indistinguishable, and in fact may find as much objectionable in their fellow travellers as in the RW. Ideological purity, you know.
Cheers,
Andy didn't fuck up near enough stuff to stay on.
"Hey, wait a minnit. I thought you wuz John Bolton! I wuz wunnerin' whut happened to your moustache. Oh, shit, it's too late, now. Ya still want the job?"
Twenty Bucks, Same as in Town.
My first thought on this was that the Chief of Staff is the only senior presidential employee not responsible for any actual public policy.
So Bush can replace him and claim to be making a big change without, you know, actually admitting there is anything, er, wrong with his administration's policies.
Moron. Criminal.
Hmm... nanny problem?
New Chief of Staff, Same Titanic.
This is a strange line from the Post article.
"At least one or two other senior officials are expected to leave for their own reasons by the end of the school year this spring, a senior official said."
The school year? Did college ever end for the gang? Fraternity hijinks galore, as ever...
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