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Thank ypu for the link. And yes I'm disappointed that your 18 readers weren't a bigger part of your parody Robert.
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I didn't do the parody. I'll see if the guy who did it can add some of my readers into it.
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Hey! Where are all the women A-Listers?
wonders Bernie in Tipperary.
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More Andrew Orolowski hand jobs from Coulter. Chris Coulter, the puss filled boil on the ass of the web. Hi Coulter! Why don't you come clean and say it's you? Don't want to stand up for your own work? You've sent it to enough people.
Maybe Scoble could get some balls and stop supporting your games.
Coulter, you're never going to get a Tablet PC job at Microsoft now.
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More Chris Coulter.
Robert, you're being played like a fiddle.
Do you really want to be associated with Chris and Andrew's Jihad?
Is this what Microsoft employees do? Give a voice to anonymous attacks on good people?
Coulter, start a blog or your own damn site.
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Jenna, if you noticed, the parody attacks me too.
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Ohferfuxake. I thought it was funny, Robert. It's parody, not a reflection; overblown examples of the foibles of some of our favorite folks. I winced a few times too; we're all vulnerable to this kind of poking-fun.
Thanks for putting it out here where we can see it, and I hope that the anonymous dude will step up and take credit some day.
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Robert just because Coulter put you in there doesn't make it right or okay.
I would expect this from other people but not a Microsoft employee.
Shame on you.
I am not sure what type of Microsoft employee you are, or what type of person you are now. Letting Coulter use you and your site to spread Orolowski and his hate of all things Blog?
This is beyond parody and you know that.
If Coulter wants to make childish parodies, tell him to put it on his own damn site.
You complained you were not invited to the blog conference and played right in to Coulter's hand. If I had a party I wouldn't invite you either. Not now.
Tell him to stand behind his work or piss off.
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Why hasn't your anonymous friend done WilWheaton.net yet? 
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Jena, personally, it was already being passed around in the underground. I thought it was funny. Comedy is funny because it hurts.
If you don't like it, don't read it. It's clearly marked as comedy. If you think that affects my reputation, you're nuts. I don't want you as a reader of my blog if that's how you feel.
Also, it's funny how an anonymous person is attacking an anonymous person here.
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You are not a very good person or a good Microsoft employee Robert.
We are holding up the mirror. It's too bad you don't like what you see.
Stand up for yourself and tell Coulter to post it on his own damn site and take credit for it.
Why should you be the one to do it?
How is it okay that you are spending company time and money promoting Christopher Coulter and Andrew Orolowski's crap?
How does this help Microsoft? Or you?
You've been duped and look really childish.
You say, comedy is funny because it hurts?
Hurting people isn't funny Robert.
As a Microsoft employee, you need to think hard about promoting this crap and who you hurt.
What else is funny that hurts? What else will you promote when anonymous-Coulter people send items your way?
People like Chris Coulter who spend all this time and effort but will not stand behind their actions or words are not who you or Microsoft should support.
Coulter just used you like the tool that you have become.
This does affect your reputation. You do not represent Microsoft, good people or the idea of blogging very well.
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Jenna,
I have no idea who you are but your opinions are extremely amusing. I particularly like "As a Microsoft employee, you need to think hard about promoting this crap and who you hurt".
The blog parody is funny, mostly because it is true. That's how satire works.
Next thing I know, you'll be threatening to report Scoble to his boss.
*chuckle*
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Chistopher Coulter made a parody about Dale Coffing a very nice man and Christian pastor. Satire and parody which attack a person's religion may indeed be funny to Robert. Maybe he will post a link to that too.
It is sad to see a Microsoft employee supporting these things and Chris Coulter. Robert, can't you spend time on Longhorn?
Robert, we all truly hope you value your friendship with Coulter so much you are willing to take the heat for his actions. Ask him to take credit for his brilliant prose.
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No need to do that, Dare. My boss reads this. So does his boss. And probably even higher.
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Brutal. And very funny.
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From the pot to the kettle...
I enjoyed most of the "Simple Guide." Admittedly, it doesn't outright label itself as humor, except perhaps by its URL, but I think most of us realize that it is. Whether we work for microsoft or not. (I don't.)
There once was a vocal young lass
Who thought parody like that crass!
O'er the din of her furor
A faint voice from the mirror
Said “How can you be such an arse?”
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I think it's just mean.
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Robert, I'll have to disagree with your one point: "Comedy is funny because it hurts." Sure it is, as long as you're not the one being hurt, but that's not really fair to distinguish it that way. Many times I've been the victim of something "funny" that's it's been hurtful to me, and anything humorous about it is certainly lost on me at that point.
Sorry, man. I had to say it...
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Yeah, but this was aimed at me too, so I thought it was fair game. Not everything in this thread has been exactly fun for me to read, but it's par for the course if I'm gonna stick my head out into the public eye and try to do something interesting.
I note that many of the people in this thread are also anonymous and don't dare publish their own blogs. Probably because they know how easy it is to be attacked.
Personally, this parody thing was being sent around anyway and folks were having a chuckle at my expense. I figured I'd post it here so you all could be in on the joke.
I'm all about starting conversations. This sure has started one. But at least you all aren't snickering behind my back anymore.
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Oh, now it _has_ been updated. Weird. (Sorry to anyone who missed the first two comments and has no clue what I'm talking about here.)
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>Robert, you're being played like a fiddle.
I gotta say a few things.
1) Chris Coulter has given me hundreds of news tips and tons of industry insights. He has done more for me (and for Microsoft) than you have. He has gotten the Tablet PC, for instance, mentioned hundreds of times in all sorts of media. We've spent literally hundreds of hours together over the past year. So, any attack on him is an attack on one of my friends, and yes, I will defend my friends. All you are is an anonymous person attacking someone for something they didn't do on my blog.
2) I do this blog on my own time, on my own computer. At home.
3) This is humor. All the people who weblog better understand they'll get attacked. I certainly do. Particularly as a Microsoft employee (being part of the evil empire and all).
4) If you judge my weblog by one item on one day, then I don't want you as a reader. Go away. In the past 24 hours I've put up 30 items. I've been doing this for three years. If you don't like one item, that's fair, but if you're gonna judge me by that and only that, then you aren't the kind of person I want reading my blog. I'm not doing this to get huge traffic.
5) The person who wrote this parody didn't ask me to post it. I asked him if I could after I saw it. I thought it was funny. My wife thought it was funny. Doc Searls thought it was funny. My coworkers thought it was funny. So, I posted it up. If anyone is actually hurt by this, then they gotta get out of the public eye. It's a rough job being out here.
Anyway, have fun!
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#6) Personally, Andrew Orlowski is attacking webloggers. If you haven't noticed, I'm a weblogger (even, supposedly, on the "A" team). So, he's attacking me and my hobby.
I don't mind that. If weblogging can't survive a little criticism, then it ain't worth doing.
So, Jenna, how about doing a weblog yourself so we all can come along and do anonymous drive-by-shootings at you, too?
Robert Scoble |
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Gretchen is the only person that makes any sense.
I think it's really mean and you're a jerk for hosting in your site.
YOU have choices.
Maybe it's not so funny and it hurt some people.
Maybe Chris Coulter should stand behind his words and not hide behind you?
Mean boys.
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Robert says "All you are is an anonymous person attacking someone..."
Isn't that what your boy Coulter is doing?
A list Blogger? We think you're a little bit too excited about being listed with those people. Grow some nards, tell your pal Chris to be proud of his obsession.
No Blogger wants to deal with this so they politely smile and pretend they think it's funny. No one wants a weirdo after them.
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Are these people trolls, or are bloggers really as narcissistic as this thread would imply? I mean, not only narcissistic, but hypocritical too - how can bloggers ("The People's Press") demand censorship of a parody? This is what people are talking about when they say that society, not government, is becoming the leading agent of oppression - this is why we need options to protect anonymity and privacy, because sometimes people will exert social pressure to effect censorship.
Yup, you people are pretty darned 1984.
PS. If this post makes you angry, ask yourself if it’s a troll or the truth(or both). Natalie Portman says “Hi” from the Hot Grits dimension. Enjoy your tempest in a teacup.
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Wow, I'm surprised at the horde of think-skinned folks that have appeared to lambaste Robert. The parody is funny as hell, goes after warbloggers & techbloggers, and only disappoints in Robert's section with his (now more than) 18 readers being not satirized enough. All the anonymoaners need to suck it up because there could be some real comedy gold in speculating why y'all are so threatened. 
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D'oh, that should be "thin-skinned" folks. Serves me right for posting after work.
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It's pretty brutal and Robert should have whoever wrote it speak for themselves.
You boys sound like a pack of dogs. All barking and attacking thinking it's okay since the other dogs are barking.
All the people who weblog better understand they'll get attacked? Why? Who is brave enough to suggest being nice?
Tell the author to stand behind his work. He must not have too much faith in it.
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>Tell the author to stand behind his
>work. He must not have too much
>faith in it.
Like you don't even have enough faith in your own comments to leave your own weblog, your own email address, or your own full name. Whatever.
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I don't see why this is generating so much heat -- seems like harmless ribbing to me.
However, it is a bit unusual to continue posting the same anonymous author's new slaggings.
At a certain point, you gotta question why one author would keep lending his soapbox to someone who takes all of his shots from comfort of anonymity.
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You all have to be kidding me right? How many of you who say this parody is awful continued to read the whole thing? You didn;t have to, you chose to! It's like radio or TV ...no one forces you to listen or watch...if you don't like the programming, change the station!
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Robert, now that there's a place to comment on this -- it was not a parody, it was mean, and it should have had the person's name on it, so he or she could have the favor returned. It's so cowardly to say such nasty things anonymously.
Good satire gets at the truth. What it said about me is not even close to true. Why you would use your space to say that about me is a mystery. It hurts Robert, it's not fun. I thought we were friends.
I had other friends tell me they thought it was not a parody, it was just mean. With that backing, I feel confident saying I feel the same way about it. Since you know who wrote and I don't would you pass back a hearty "fuck off asshole" to him or her.
I see in your comments that you're frustrated with what people are saying. That's really weird. Such a story is bound to raise comments, some not favorable. Why would you support the anonymous flamer, and not people who have the courage to put their own names on their comments? And why would you give someone grief for posting anonymously?
Really confused about this.
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Comedy is funny because it hurts?
Wow, that's so idiotic I don't know where to begin.
Let's see, if it hurts more is it even funnier? Hey getting murdered must be a real hilarious thing. Want some real laughs, let's go for genocide.
I bet everyone in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bursting out with laughter.
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This really is out of Charlie Brown (if nothing worse). All I can say is Good Grief! Out of your 18 you may have lost a couple (can't take a joke, shouldn't have joined, bet they haven't really left) but you gained at least one...
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I guess we could call an approximate Godwin on this thread now.
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"Since you know who wrote and I don't would you pass back a hearty "fuck off asshole" to him or her."
And now we know why the author chose to remain anonymous, don't we? 
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This is *too* funny! I have to admit, that parody hits the nail on the heah, and I think it totally rocks. So many whining people here - the funniest thing is that they want this anonymous author of the parody to come out of the closet, as it were, yet they don't think setting the example is very important, and choose to remain anonymous themselves. Lame.
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>And now we know why the author chose to remain anonymous, don't we?
Exactly. 
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06.13.03 - 1:14 pm | #
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>However, it is a bit unusual to
>continue posting the same anonymous
>author's new slaggings.
Yeah, I shouldn't have done that.
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>Why you would use your space to say
>that about me is a mystery. It
>hurts Robert, it's not fun. I
>thought we were friends.
Dude, I thought for one that you wouldn't be hurt by this.
>I had other friends tell me they >thought it was not a parody, it was >just mean.
Well, OK. It was mean to me too. It was being passed around behind everyone's back. I just wanted to put it out there. Lots of bloggers saw it and thought it was funny when it was being passed around in secret.
>Since you know who wrote and I >don't would you pass back a >hearty "fuck off asshole" to him or >her.
You just did.
>I see in your comments that you're >frustrated with what people are >saying.
Frustrated? Hardly. Amuzed? Yes.
>Why would you support the anonymous
>flamer, and not people who have the
>courage to put their own names on
>their comments?
The comments made by "real people" are generally interesting. It's the ones who are made by anonymous people (Jenna, et al) that aren't.
>And why would you give someone
>grief for posting anonymously?
You don't see the irony in that?
>Really confused about this.
Sorry. I thought it was funny -- other people who I won't name, but are on the "A" list thought it was funny. It was being passed around, and I wanted to bring it out into the light. I guess not everyone sees it that way.
I didn't say it was true or that I supported it, I just was exposing it.
Obviously it was interesting enough to get pointed to by dozens of sites. Was it mean? OK, it was mean.
Have you ever been roasted? That's how this stuff was perceived by me. I thought you had thicker skin than this.
Damn, if you thought his was mean, you should see some of the crud people say about me now that I work at Microsoft.
Robert Scoble |
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Parody: a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule
Seems to have been perfectly labeled to me. I think the brouhaha here just bolsters the parody.
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"funny because it hurts" -- that was an observation made in Stranger in a Strange Land quite a while ago, and it does seem to hold true. Read rec.humor.funny sometime: I'll bet you find that most of the stories you think are funniest are the ones that make someone look bad.
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Robert says Was it mean? OK, it was mean.
Why host it on your site? Link to it from the owner's site.
Why updated it over and over again? You admitted that was wrong.
Tell that Christopher Coulter to come clean, what is the big deal?
Does he have a blog? No. Site? Yes.
You ARE associated with Microsoft now like it or not. Is that the image you want to have?
A mean guy at Microsoft who hurts his friends?
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>Why host it on your site?
>Link to it from the owner's site.
Cause the person was already passing it around, and he wasn't willing to host it, for many of the reasons raised in this very thread.
>Why updated it over and over again? >You admitted that was wrong.
It was updated once.
>Tell that Christopher Coulter to >come clean, what is the big deal?
The person who wrote it wants to remain anonymous.
>Does he have a blog? No. Site? Yes.
The person who wrote it, doesn't want to take responsibility for it.
>You ARE associated with Microsoft >now like it or not. Is that the >image you want to have?
What image? This is a personal blog done on personal time. This was one decision, on one day. I post sometimes 40 things in a day. If my image is defined by this one thing out of the thousands of things I've posted, than tough.
>A mean guy at Microsoft who hurts >his friends?
You certainly won't be invited to my roast.
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>Cause the person was already passing it around, and he wasn't willing to host it, for many of the reasons raised in this very thread.
Everyone saw the cowardly emails from Christopher Coulter Robert. Doesn't that say something to you?
As someone else said, this Chris Coulter sees you as a tool and you were used appropriately.
Andrew O. uses Coulter, Coulter uses you. Coulter took advantage of you.
>The person who wrote it wants to remain anonymous.
Doesn't that say something to you?
If Chris is truly your friend, he will take credit and responsibility. Ask him.
>The person who wrote it, doesn't want to take responsibility for it.
Doesn't that say something to you?
Guess what? YOU have taken responsibility for it.
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Michelle, I love how you use different names everytime you come in here. You get the last word. So far you've posted with five different names. How many more you gonna use? I love how it makes it look like there's five people talking with me. Whatever.
Yes, I take responsibility for it. Move on with your life.
Robert Scoble |
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Have a good weekend. Think about what Dave and Gretchen said.
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Jenna == Anna == Leanne == Michelle == Dave Winer
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This thread is a great argument for disallowing anonymous comments.
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x: nah, I know Dave Winer's IP, and it's different from all the rest. Plus, I know Dave would never do something so childish. If he didn't like something I did, he'd just come out and say it (and, indeed, he did just that).
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Someday I hope the blogging cabal and the whole fuss over blogs dies off. Until then, I hope to see more of stuff like this 
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Scoble, you are SO mean -- how dare you think something is funny that parodies real, living, sensitive people.
There really should be rules about this sort of thing, some way to de-list you from the A-List, for this breach of decorum.
People's hearts get wounded by this sort of thing. Listen to Dave Winer's criticisms, Scoble. Take them to heart. Dave Winer is a guy who has never said anything ugly about anyone on his website, and yet he was attacked by this vicious, anonymous parody.
Anna, and Joanna, and LeAnna, and RosannaDanna are all crying right now. They can't sleep because they were so wounded by this cruel parody.
How dare you.
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Here's what's so hilarious about Dave Winer's criticisms. (And about his outbursts, hate-spasms, and temper tantrums in general.)
Dave Winer keeps talking about how blogs are changing EVERYTHING. How politics will never be the same because of blogs. How people who downplay the importance of blogs are not just ignorant fools, but also morally suspect, and worthy of searing derision on his website.
But if blogs ARE as important -- as politically groundshaking -- as Winer says, then the prominent ones are PERFECT targets for this kind of anonymous parody. Parody punctures the pretensions of the powerful more effectively than any other kind of speech. And this is PRECISELY the power of the weblog -- to upset hierarchies, to level the playing field so that nobody is immune to criticism.
By criticizing you for posting this hilarious parody, Winer is showing he distrusts the true democracy of speech. His fear of this parody shows that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth -- from one side trumpeting the political power of the almighty blog, but from the other side revealing that he fears the kind of unfettered criticism and incisive parody that any important political development should be subjected to.
What a confused man he is.
Keep it up, Scoble. You did the right thing. Anyone who fears parody is just a pretentious ass, ripe for a skewering.
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Sadface Anna has convinced me. As long as one person who dedicates their life to posting comments under five different names is hurt then Robert is a bad man who makes baby jeebus cry. I can't even begin to describe the evil of a person who drives Dave Winer to try to approporiate the victims of atomic bombings to try and raise his standing in the wake of a parodic "attack".
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And this is PRECISELY the power of the weblog -- to upset hierarchies, to level the playing field so that nobody is immune to criticism.
This "level playing field" sounds great, J. Please post your name and other identifying personal details so that I can upset your hierarchy under a pseudonym.
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I think Robert posted it because it listed him as an A-list blogger, and he didn't really think through the implications of supporting anonymous attacks on other people.
I think it's okay to poke fun at yourself in your own blog. If Robert just posted the Scoble part of it, it would be fair game.
By extensively quoting the whole thing, he opens himself up to criticism of the entire piece.
The argument that it "needed" to be posted anonymously because it might make people mad is just silly. By that token, everyone should be going around anonymously smearing folks. I've got some nasty things I'd like to say about various people -- will Robert host those too, anonymously, as long as I mildly jab him too?
Saying that Dave Winer has no grounds to stand on because he's a nasty person is simply incorrect. Winer takes credit for his words and opinions, and is willing to bear the consequences. (Note, by the way, that I don't like Dave very much. I'm not defending him because he's my buddy.)
--Kynn
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Rogers --
The fact that I am anonymous does not mean my criticisms are unfair or inappropriate. "A-list" bloggers avidly pursue attention and acclaim, and they reap all the benefits and prestige of that. Why should they be immune to parody?
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I'm not saying Dave Winer has no grounds to dislike the parody at all. The linkage to atomic bombing to somehow support his argument about the true nature of comedy is a classic act of grasping at straws though.
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Wow, I can't believe the fuss over this thing. It was parody people, get over it. I found it because it was linked to by more than one of the 'A-listers' who also thought it was funny.
And what's all this about you being a Micro$oft employee have to do with it? Like somehow you must be held up to a higher standard because of where you work?
Dave Winer: what in the heck does Hiroshima or Nagasaki have to do with comedy... grasping at straws indeed.
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> Wow, I can't believe the fuss over this thing.
Me neither.
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06.15.03 - 1:39 am | #
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This is hilarious not because it hurts, but because the satire is proving itself so accurate.
There's a word in the English language that seems oddly appropriate to this discussion:
onomatopoeia - the naming of a thing or action by a vocal imitation of the sound associated with it
The reaction of some of the "A-Listers" here to the satirical light in which they've been painted approaches some sort of onomatopoeia - a perfect imitation of the satire itself. Especially Winer. Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Sheesh, Dave. There's nothing quite like living up to expectations:
"Anyone who disagrees with me is a festering disease-carrying burnt-toast maggot."
Your complete overreaction was exactly as written and predicted. That's the hallmark of great satire.
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