Pray, why 'zimmer' as 'tzimmer'? Is this like Ramat David being Latin spelt as 'Ramat Dawid'? It's a German word after all.
Hmmm. I was going off pronunciation I'd heard. I can't actually remember having seen the word itself written anywhere. Let me check that.
tzimmer has about 35k hits, the tops being for cottages in the manner I used it.
Hard to compare directly with zimmer because it is a popular last name, but if I google "zimmer galil" I get about 20k hits. It looks like both spellings occur.
Interestingly, if I google "tzimmer galil" it asks if I meant "zimmer galil" although it also comes up with about 130 hits.
Aha, here it is, define:zimmer gives a good definition and define:tzimmer returns nothing.
Looks like you are correctisher, my spelling apparently being a not uncommon mistake (I say this just to make myself feel better).
Thanks for pointing it out. I'll fix it.
Good to see you choose to have a holiday up North, Something every one in lliving/visiting Israel should contemplate to revitalise the North's economy.
As for "reducing my family's holiday to little more than low-grade blog fertilizer like this" I hope that is more a reflection of your current 'writers' block than an over all commentary on your blog.
I happen to think your fertiliser is fine!
Then again I live on top of a hill nick named, cow pat hill, I'm surrounded by dairy farms, and even thou the closest is a kilometre away, with the right wind the bbq quickly turns in door.
Good to see you got away, how are the kiddies going being weaned of 'choc cereal' that always makes for a rollercoaster day or two.
Aaron
I know Israelis do not wish for such things, and would love nothing more than peace and quiet in which to pursue their lives and build an economy, and in which their neighbors can prosper as well. I know many Lebanese feel the same way, and I hope that as time passes and tempers cool, it will be these Lebanese whose voices are heard most loudly by Nasrallah when he starts to toy with ideas of what to do with the rest of his missiles, so he knows they won't again tolerate his taking hostage the dreams of peace and prosperity of the very people he claims to care about -- as well as my people, not that it matters.
Absolutely agree, but I would also hope, that the Israeli voices will be heard most loudly when Olmert starts to toy with ideas of what to do with the rest of his cluster bombs, so he knows they won't again tolerate his taking hostage the dreams of peace and prosperity of the very people HE claims to care about. And it does matter.
I feel badly for the people in the north of Israel whose lives were disrupted for the month, and for the many whose lives were permanently altered and destroyed by Hezbollah's rockets. ut I also feel for the innocent people in Lebanon whose villages were completely turned to rubble by 5000 pound bombs and who will be living in fear of unexploded cluster bombs for years.
I would hope the Israelis who want peace, would raise their voices loudly to stop their government's use of this horrendous ordinance ever again on anyone, because when all is said and done, no matter who the enemy, it's the children who are most likly to be killed and maimed by the remnants of these undefendable U.S. weapons.
I can't believe G-d approves of their use....for any reason. I will never understand what part of "Thou shalt not kill" all of the governments and little groups of the world don't seem to understand.
The only ones it affects are us.They are always kept safe.
AG: I loved the flute sound at the Batei Nurit site - is it traditional Israeli music?
And talking about music, Julie, that's what your comment was to my ears. I would only add that those who fled must be allowed to return to their ancesteral homes, in peace.
If we could only make the same happen for the people of Gaza. They have been being bombed continuously since 10 pm (your time) last night at which time 5 people were killd and 25 injured. I was on the phone with someone from there and heard the bombs in the distance this morning (CDT). It was 4pm (your time).
To what end? How does the government believe this will make good neighbors, or make its people safer? I just don't understand why they don't understand that this type of action, is what causes hate. I would also argue that if they don't know where Gilat is, don't they run the risk of killing him as well?
Can anyone explain this, or is the aim just to wipe them off the planet, because that's certainly what it looks like. I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt, but I am finding it harder and harder.
Thanks Bagel Blogger. My office where I work is also about 100 yards from a bunch of cows (less if the wind is blowing the right direction). I guess I just have fertilizer on the brain.
Julie, is it just the cluster bombs you have a problem with? Or is that just the objection of the day? I've seen a little about cluster bombs that make them seem not nice, but they are standard military tactic against artillery in certain areas. If Israel used them in the wrong areas, that policy should be changed (and I read that America was investigating this and perhaps will force that change, but I'm far from an expert on this subject). But I get the feeling this isn't your real, bottom line problem. For instance, when you say you are finding it "harder and harder" to give the benefit of the doubt, does this mean you actuallyl were able to give the benefit of the doubt before the cluster bombs or the bombing in Gaza (which in general target Hamas, but again, I'm not a general so we'll have to argue over which news agency to accept and which spokespeople to assume are liars). The point about not bombing anything in Gaza because no one knows the GPS coordinates of the abducted soldier probably should be re-thought, because that logic would have ended every war after about 15 minutes. Nonetheless, I would hope that the bombs and missiles going in and out of Gaza would stop, and the peaceful possibility that was present in the year after the evacuation of Gaza, while further withdrawals from the West Bank were approaching, would replace the Hamas imperative to attack Israel so long as it exists (this is their stated goal, and their actions are consistent with it, at least so far. I hope for change, but not while holding my breath). Thanks for commenting Julie, even if we differ in outlook.
Falistini, I don't think it was anything too traditional. It actually sounded more like generic "close to nature" new age style stuff. I'm not really a connoisseur of either genre though, so your guess might be as good as mine.
AG: It is not the goal of Hamas, the elected representatives of the Palestinian people, 'to attack Israel so long as it exists'. They do not recognize Israel - like half of the countries in the UN - and will continue to serve as the resistance, just like the French did during the WW2 occupation.
Au contraire, it is Israel's stated and demonstrated goal to destroy the Palestinians - evidenced by Omlette's decision to constuct 70 illegal settlements in the West Bank.
AG. If you know nothing of cluster bombs, perhaps a trip on the internet to educate yourself is in order. I have an Israeli friend here who told me in Israel, people only see what they want to see. That is a huge problem.After Viet Nam, most Americans are against cluster bombs, for any reason, in any area. I an ashamed we used them in Iraq. It was wrong.
If I only watched the U.S. news, the horror in Darfur would have been going on for a year and a half brfore I ever even heard of the land.
Pulling out of Gaza, after cutting off the Palestinian income from taxes Israel collects, then complainig that it didn't make Israel safer, is disingenous at best. Like it or not, the government was democratically elected. As all of us who live in democracies know, the system does not always elect the best leaders, but they are elected, and we live with them until the next one. And frankly, without an army to speak of, I see Palestine wiping out Israel, or even attempting to, as an act of suicide. They can't do it. Israel could turn the entire Middle East into a parking lot with the armament we have given them.And of course, the U.S, would be right behind you.
I would venture to guess that the vast majority of countries in the world are not to happy with Bush, but they didn't try to collapse our government to signal their displeasure. And they didn't come to America and arrest him for war crimes which he has undoubtedly been directly responsible for.We want him impeached. We've had enough of the lies and deception.
Sealing Gaza, not allowing even basic food needs in or out, destroying their only power station in the summer, controlling access, bulldozing homes, blowing up multiple family homes because of the "sins" of one resident, air strikes, constant bombing, etc....is a modern version of the tactic used in the Warsaw Ghetto to break the resistance. Look it up. read an account of both. See if you can find a significant difference. I didn't. Perhaps you can.
As for who is lying? Your own people document these things. Are they lying? Did Rachel Corrie not die by bulldozer? Did the other peace activist not get a bullet in the head?
I'm sorry. I don't see how anyone can expect peace to come of this. If you don't know about it, open your eyes. There were people that closed their eyes to the concentration camps too, but that did not grant them immunity from responsibility. That is something they had to live with, I'm not willing to do that. I will continue to speak out and educate those who want to learn. I had hoped you were one of those people.
Falistini, I'm really trying to find the logic in your last comment, but I think you're going to have to supply me with a new and innovative definition of the word "destroy" first. Seriously, I know what you mean, but I don't agree with it.
Julie, what can I say? I didn't say I know nothing about cluster bombs. I personally wouldn't have a problem if they were outlawed. But a little internet reading shows that so far they aren't outlawed in any international treaty at all, and that just about every military in the world uses them (including NATO, but maybe not Belgium). I don't say that to justify their use, but to express my annoyance at the continuing tendency to single out Israel for what is essentially an international issue. If you are looking for wedge issues to separate Israel from its supporters, I think you have a lot of other items to choose from on that list before you have to try to blame Israel for not leading the international community away from cluster bombs. My pique here is directed at what comes across to me as an anti-Israel animus, not your anti-cluster bomb position. In the meantime, I have to blog once in awhile in addition to raising a family, holding down a job, and once a week preparing for and observing Shabbat, so forgive me if I can't devote enough time to answer each of your specific challenges. Some I've addressed to some extent in various previous posts, and there are answers on many blogs, if that's what you're really looking for. In short, I'll say I hope for peace for all of us in the region, and I see the fruitful debate as being over how to get there, with my position being that Israel simply laying down its arms and trusting in Palestinians to then decide to peacefuly coexist is a theory that has already been disproven (for now). Alternate theories leading to a better result are welcome, but they need to be effective, not just nice. I'm not expecting to be able to change your mind, just trying to give you the respect of an answer. Thanks also for reasoned and polite comments, even if we disagree.
they aren't outlawed in any international treaty at all, and that just about every military in the world uses them
Further reading would have shown it violates international law to use them in civilian areas, enemy combatants present or not. Aside from that, I would think morally, one would just not do that.
If you have to tell people to leavem, in order to drop the bombs, obviously you know it is a heavily popoulate area.
I don't think Israel should lead the world, the U.S. is as guilty if not more so of using these weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have left a bloddy trail of our engagements. I am not proud of that, and I would say these undefendable weapons should be banned entirely.
I understand your time constraints, I have a kid in second year college, as well as a 9-5 m-f job, 24/7 on call, write for a local paper and maintain 2 blogs.I understand your predicament.
Anyway, in the intersts of world peace, and our children's future environment, I think we should ALL try to get these weapons banned. Cleaning them up takes decades, and the job is never done. Ordnance from WWII is still killing people.
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