Poor Jesus ;Poor Mohammed so many crimes
have been commited in their name.
Michel Aoun is a National leader when
convenient;a Maronite when needed.
One sure thing:I will pray for him
as well as for all our so called leaders.Lebanon deserves better.
"Michelle"? Feminizing his name, eh? Remember when Rafiq Hariri insulted Salim al Hoss because he lost his seat to a woman (Ghinwa Jalloul) in 2000?
HEre is my take on all these events:
Hariri represents a big majority of Sunnites. Jumblatt represents big majority of Druze.
Aoun represents a big majority of Christians
HA and Berri represents big majority of Shiites....
But here is the big question:
SO WHAT?
how is this going to help the country?
OK we can see, this party can bring a million people, the other can also bring a million. the result is that
NOBODY can ignore the other. So sit down and find a f***** solution so we can progress and go on with our lives. All of this is a collective suicide. We don't need prayers, we need actions.
Azour said the cost of the strikes to our economy is $70 million a day.
Whose fault is this: BOTH parties.
Whose paying the price: BOTH parties.
Enough political immaturity!
Whatever Mustapha, obviously you hate Aon, so dont even think about showing up to mass tomorrow, mister.
For the rest of us, we will go to Church and pray that Jesus and The General(and not necessarily in that order)deliver us from this deep crisis created by all those "2-cent men" who frequent Bkirki, and their "patriarch arousing wives".
FGA
FGA
Hi Abu Nour,
Just a small correction. You say:
"Whose paying the price: BOTH parties. "
Well I disagree, both parties have enough resources to survive. The real brunt of the cost is carried by the Lebanese people and as usualy lower income groups will feel it the most; that is not saying that other groups will not be affected.
FGA, I can understand why you are feeling sore, but you will pray for Michel Aoun before praying for Jesus? When you do the cross you say in the name of the Father, Michel Aoun and the Holy Spirit?
Regardless of your religion, this makes you sound just a tad extreme, which i am sure you are not. I accept that you will pray for Lebanon and for Michel Aoun to have vision to deliver this nation from this deadlock, but please some common sense and moderation.
Best,
HB
FGA,
I misread your post when I replied. You can ignore my comment above.
Sorry,
HB
first I have to say that it is not my impression that Aoun represents a big majority of the christian community of Lebanon,as reflected by the turnout for the funeral of Pierre Gemayel which was largely anti-syrian and even dare I say it anti Hezbollah.So he may represent a significant part of the christian community but I would not say big.The christian presence at Pierre Gemayel's was far more overwhelming than the christian presence at the opposition protest's.Also consider that aside from Hariri all of the March 14th martyrs have been christian which I think says something.Also with the assasination of Gemayel last week I think it it is highly insensitive to go after the christians who are supporters on the other side as if Aoun and those who follow him are the only legitimate representation of the christians in Lebanon.
Pray for Michel Aoun! He is in desperate need of assistance, both spiritual and physical. Pray for the poor dead souls who are still following (a lot less then a few months ago, but there are still some of my friends who eat orange, shit orange and sleep orange)
I am not in Lebanon to go to mass, but I find it absolutely disgusting that this lunatic is using Sunday mass to try to have more legitimacy within Christian ranks. I think once again this will backfire on him.
I just wanted to inform you this........in tripoli about 30 cars with armed people are driving around the street with Seniora and Saad Hariri pictures on them.......playing Saad Hariri songs........shootings from their guns in the air............and destroying every car that shows flags of FPM or MARADA.........
If that s Future movement of modern lebanon,freedom of speach,democracy,and weapon free lenanon,and disarmemnet..........well then to hell with them...........
No one can impose their will on the Sunnis of Lebanon, but likewise, the Sunnis of Lebanon can't impose their will on others. They wish to rule Lebanon by themselves, firstly by disenfranchising Christian voters, secondly by trying to isolate the Shias in Lebanon.
So I agree with your post, no one in Lebanon can dominate the other, and this is the begining of the end of Sunni domination.
there are actually saad hariri songs??
really????
are they sung in the style of militant-LF-HA nasheed or
romantical-haifaawehbe-prostitute style of songs?
i'd like to hear one of these songs.
just one.
If what your saying about Tripoli is true, then I don't condone it one bit. But there are imbeciles on all sides of the political and confessional spectrum so don't pretend that this is our doing. Hezballah is the one who set the precendent for this kind of behaviour. Their refusal to lay down their arms and in the words of Sayed Hasan "since Hezballah has had arms and the Shiites have had better lives." I think its sad that they need arms to have better lives in their own country. But the weak government that the Syrians engineered is to blame for that.
Once a bunch of idiots sets a precedent for something, other idiots on the other side of the spectrum will follow suit.
So you should call on your leaders to end this madness. Call on Sayed Hassan to back down because the more this goes on the more polarized and sectarian things will get. We certainly dont live in a Utopia, and there are a lot of morons who will act rash, on all sides, the longer this goes on.
Frankly it is not my impression that March 14th is about the sunnis mainly wanting to have domination over everyone,if that can be said of anyone in Lebanon I would attribute that to what I call the syrian factor which still seems to have far too much influence over affairs in Lebanon.
March 14th is a movement involving sunnis,christians,druze and etc as well as some more moderate shia that was borne in part out of the assasination of political figures like Rafik Hariri and was begun to fight for the independence of Lebanon from outside forces and ensure democracy.
So to dismiss the contribution of christians and the support of a very considerable segment of the the christian community in and for March 14th as evidenced by the turnout at Pierre Gemayel's funeral thurs of last week as well as in the very beginnings of the March 14th movement.So March 14th is not just about sunni power.
Also I cannot make sense of Aoun's stands on issues presently which conflicts with where he stood before he returned. Like having a free, stable sovereign Lebanon,freedom for those Lebanese still imprisoned in Syria, the need to make amends with those Lebanese in Israel,and freedom from oppressive government and etc.Seems to me he has abandoned those principles he stood for so long thrown in with Hezbollah against the other segments of the Lebanese populace.
I just do not understand how a man who had fought against Hezbollah and been very much against Syria's domination can then take a pro-Islamic resistance position and align himself with the pro-Syria camp in Lebanon and be honest with himself that he genuinely represent the interest's of the majority of christian lebanese.
Well said anonymoustxn!
The sad part is General Aoun does not know yet that he is an ally to pro-Syrian groups. He still thinks that he is against Syria. So, can someone tell him please, or whisper to him about the side that he is at right now.
And also, if you talk to any of his followers, they all say that he is still fighting for his principles. He never changed. I wonder what principles are they referring to: to be against Syria, to disarm the Iranian group in Lebanon, to free the Lebanese prisoners from Syria, or to be President (Bingo!!!). He still wants to be President... he never changed!
As for the Iranian group, the sad part is any think that Mr. Nasrallah say, is taken 100% by approx "100%" of his followers. The good part is, he added a new word/terminology to the dictionary: "Victory". It could be redefined as: Destruction of 70 % of infrastructure, 1000 dead few thousands injured, retreat 40 km back inside of your borders (Litani), accepting unconditionally a United Nation resolution that is 100 % against him (HA), etc...and at the end of the victory you have to say that you are "sorry".
Aoun is a sick sick man. When he was a prime minister in 1980's, he clamped down on freedom of expression, threatened the MPs that voted in favor of the Taef agreement among other misdeeds. This man says "I represent 70 %" of the Christians and then says :" If I speak in secular terms, then exile me". This man talks about the Hariri while his Free Unpatriotic movement is itself a dynasty that only has his son in law (Jebran tricky Bassil) and other Aouns. This man is a failed politician, a failed diplomat and uncivilized human. This man belongs to history's dump, a sick sick man !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to mention the thing I don't get most is that he was in exile because of the dominance of Syria over Lebanon,and it was because of the future movement's and March 14th's stand against Syria that he was able to return and become involved politically again.
Whereas it was Hezbollah who was against Syria being forced to leave and was taking a stand opposite that of March 14th from the very beginning,and they have never ceased to be pro-syria nor do they try to hide it.Also what I don't understand is that the Syrian negative influence has not been eradicated in Lebanon and is still a serious threat to Lebanon's sovereignty and democracy so that fight is still going on
Finally I don't think the shia should be overlooked or disregarded but nor do I think they should impose their will on the rest of the Lebanese,and the fact is if you take the christians,sunnis,druze etc all together they are a far more significant part of the population so compared with that the shia are a minority.A large one yes but in that sense a minority.
So my view is over the last few decades especially during the era of Syrian domination,Hezbollah and the shia exerted substantial influence in Lebanon.You only have to look at this last summer when they dragged the government of which they were part and also without it's knowledge,and the rest of lebanon into a war it did not need.Which had a devastating effect on Lebanon and almost every Lebanese,and now look at what they are doing.
So now here they are trying to bring down a government which has legitimately come to power and which they were once a part of.A government which came into office as a result of fairly free and fair elections,and they cannot wait until the next elections to try to have any issues they have be dealt with at the voting booth.
That is the difference between them and the March 14th movement.They should should be held accountable for damaging actions they have taken,let us remember there would have been no need this last summer for the resistance they offered if it was not for their actions in the first place and that was not the fault of the government.Almost makes you wonder if the war was not a deliberate action taken by them for this very reason.Just consider this especially since Syria was forced out.Lebanon was again becoming a sovereign and democratic nation.It was beginning to prosper,boom and revive from the effects of the civil war and then the war this summer.How convenient.
Why should the government and Lebanon be made to pay for the actions of Hezbollah,but not Hezbollah itself.Why should Hezbollah be coming out as the aggrieved party in all this,it should have consequences for their actions and that is not them gaining more power.Also what is it that they fear from this tribunal,why should they fear justice being dealt in regard to all these assasinations.
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