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AP:"Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials. |
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Let's be clear who owes whom an apology. |
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I never believed that Patsy Ramsey had anything to do with her little girl's murder, and I always thought the media crucified her unnecessarily. That said, however, this guy Karr's statements to the press are odd. Apparently he's admitted to "being with" the child when she died in an attempted kidnapping that went wrong. He didn't say he killed her; he implied that he was present when she was killed. Makes me wonder if someone else did the killing and he was just present. Hmmmmm..... |
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Well, Ted, he has confessed to the killing, which is probably a helpful data point. |
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I heard a report that Patsy Ramsey was informed before her death by police that the investigation was ongoing and an arrest was imminent. So it's possible she felt personally exonerated before her death. |
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Y'all just expressed my immediate reaction. I feel so bad that Patsy Ramsey died before this came out---not only for her sake, but because her death caused media speculation to start up again, forcing her family to deal with that when they were also dealing with her death. Terrible, terrible, terrible. |
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I never thought Patsy Ramsey did it. I always thought Jon Ramsey did it. |
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And wasn't this guy facing sex tourism charges in Thai land? As Mark Klaas said on local television out here last night, he'd cop to the Lindbergh kidnapping to get out of Thai jail and into the US. 2nd degree murder? 25 years, say, in medium security? Better than 20 years in a dank jail in Bangkok |
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Something tells me the killer and assumed molestor of the most well-known child beauty pageant queen will have a good time of it in a U.S. maximum security prison. |
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And now, for the breathless rehashing, the confessional interviews, the competing versions of updated mini-series, and an important lesson for everyone, everywhere, whether they want it or not, coming up next in A Very Special Episode of "I'm Never Watching Television News Again." |
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Phil, on what channel is "I'm Never Watching Television News Again"? Because I want to watch it too. |
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I don't think the Ramsey's killed Jon Benet, but I don't think this guy did it either. He sounds like a nut job that became obsessed with the case after she was killed. His ex-wife has said that there's no way he could have done it since he was living in Alabama with her when it happened. |
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Count me with Sue and Ted in the skeptical column. The guy is most likely a child-abusing creep, but I've yet to see anyone place him in Colorado. I'd like to be wrong, but sounds like an obsessed guy who learned more about the case than he needed to know. |
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As a general rule, I'm inclined to believe it when someone confesses (apparently under no duress) to "accidentally" killing a girl. This isn't Abel Koontz we're talking about here. |
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Adam, I'll grant you that Karr is slime and that Karr is more likely than not to have killed Ramsey, I'll further agree with Matt that confessions are very good evidence and this guy is no Abel Koontz. But, on the other hand, mentally disturbed people seeking attention confess to all sorts of things, as do people who don't want to serve in Thai prisons, and the professor who turned him in strikes me as a flake. Sometimes real-life details just happen to be fishy without any truthful reason to disbelieve the straightforward version of the story, and this is likely one of those cases. But the fishiness makes me withhold complete judgment until there's physical evidence. |
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Within 24-48 hours, we'll know enough to properly rush to judgment on this guy. We just need the one "he was a quiet guy, a loner" interview from a neighbor to seal the deal. |
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"Do you believe he killed Buckwheat?" |
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Karr claims that he had a complicated (but as yet undisclosed) relationship with the Ramseys, Karr apparently corresponded with Patsy before her death, and John seems to believe that his story is true. Those points, together, make me believe this is the guy: If John had never met the guy, wouldn't he be disputing the relationship claim? |
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Maybe John gave Karr the details he needed to claim to be involved? Karr gets himself out of a Thai prison, and John gets false redemption. Oooh, the plot thickens. |
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Query whether the key details were disclosed even to the parents, given their status as suspects. (I don't know the answer there. The issue puts two very strong interests ingo opposition with one another.) |
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Don't the Ramseys have another child, a boy who was maybe in his teens when JonBenet was killed? I've always thought he did it, and his parents covered it up to spare him. |
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Didn't the Ramsey's bring just a little bit ofthe media onslaught upon themselves? I recall seeing them on more than one TV interview arguing the finer points of the case w/ various Larry Kings. Who goes on a press tour after their child is killed? They loved the attention. |
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You don't need the police to disclose the details to you if you were involved in the crime. |
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Query whether the police even know the key details themselves, since they practically threw a kegger and a kickball tournament in the house before beginning to collect evidence. |
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No offense to those who post here, of course, but I love how many people are so quick to say "I never believed that Patsy Ramsey did it." |
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I think Isaac's right -- as I recall my long ago crim law, you take your victim as you find him/her. Also, wouldn't this (if indeed it is based in reality) be an example of a felony murder, since the death occurred during commission of another felony (kidnapping/sexual abuse/rape of a child)? I 'll defer to someone who knows Colorado's criminal statutes, but seems likely. |
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I believe most states also have a "felony-murder" rule, which makes you guilty of intentional murder (and often death-eligible) if you intend a felony that has the (accidental or otherwise) effect of killing a victim. |
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There have been cases of criminals getting stuck with felony-murder charges when their accomplices are killed during the commission of a felony, let alone the target of the original felony. |
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Though I try not to, I hate this story and everyone involved in it. Frankly, I don't owe Patsy Ramsey an apology for that, or for my instinctive conviction that anyone who would thrust their child into the grotesque world of pre-teen beauty pagentry might be capable of other more dangerous depravity. |
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Seems notable (read: fishy) that the suspect is claiming that he drugged JBR before assaulting her, whereas, per today's AP report, the autopsy showed no sign of drugs or alcohol in her system. Could be that not all of the details of the autopsy were (accurately) released in hopes of landing just such an admission, but another possibility is that this guy is feeding law enforcement a line.... |
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Don't the Ramseys have another child, a boy who was maybe in his teens when JonBenet was killed? I've always thought he did it, and his parents covered it up to spare him. |
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Though I don't think their treatment of their daughter, and beauty pagent weirdness, was appropriate, I don't think it is on the same par as murder. So, they we may accuse them of being bad parents, they certainly didn't deserve to be accused of killing their daughter. |
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It's good to see that 24 Hour Television News has learned nothing from their previous treatment of the Ramsey family by rushing to throw this man under a bus. |
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Wait, Richard Jewell has been exonorated? Oh, you meant legally... got it. |
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Michael Irvin rightly demanded, following his acquittal on cocaine charges, "the same intensity" from the media. He didn't get it and neither will the Ramseys. |
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The cocaine charges were true; it was a subsequent rape accusation which was false. |
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Yep, I lived in Dallas at the time. When you're caught on video smoking crack in the back of your SUV? Tough to beat cocaine charges later on. Of course, being caught smoking crack does not preclude you from later serving as Mayor of Washington, D.C. |
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Why is it that the press is now all over the gaping holes and question marks in this confession story, but for the past five and a half years....oh, but this isn't that kind of blog. |
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Adam C, do you read the Reading Eagle regularly? I confess that beforee now I was completly unaware of the newspaper. |
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I killed JonBenet Ramsey! |
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Bob, I was just looking for a password-free link to the AP story -- the Reading Eagle is what the AP site served me. |
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I can't help wondering why stories such as this one go national in the first place. Hell, there are dozens of child murders every month in America, and the vast majority of them don't get this kind of attention and scrutiny from the media. |
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