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You should grab www.ontomes.com :-)
You should grab www.ontomes.com :-)
The thing I myself like least about "spime" is that it's a portmanteau mash-up. Mash-ups are almost as bad as acronyms.
"Ontome" sounds fabulous. The firm distinction of a networked object from its network may really important, too. But "onto" has the very serious problem of ambient-unfindability. "Onto" is one of the commonest words in English. Nobody is going to be able to web-search an "onto" and derive the meaning that you want to attach to that term. So it's an interesting word but a bad tag.
We are not obsessive about this. Check out
Josh Marshall here.
http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/ ste...ntry_id=1435765
The thing I myself like least about "spime" is that it's a portmanteau mash-up. Mash-ups are almost as bad as acronyms.
"Ontome" sounds fabulous. The firm distinction of a networked object from its network may really important, too. But "onto" has the very serious problem of ambient-unfindability. "Onto" is one of the commonest words in English. Nobody is going to be able to web-search an "onto" and derive the meaning that you want to attach to that term. So it's an interesting word but a bad tag.
We are not obsessive about this. Check out
Josh Marshall here.
http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/ ste...ntry_id=1435765
are a mere stopgap before a semantic web. But I'm very glad we've got workable terms like 'folksonomy' and "tag," even if "tag" itself isn't taggable.
It's kind of silly to attempt to discuss spimes, blogjects and ontomes outside of the network that supposedly enables spimes, blogjects and ontomes. The net's becoming a language engine. It's not about the ink and paper any more, any more than it's about the paper barcodes.
If you think this is hell, imagine being some Czech or Japanese guy who has to translate EVERYWARE .
are a mere stopgap before a semantic web. But I'm very glad we've got workable terms like 'folksonomy' and "tag," even if "tag" itself isn't taggable.
It's kind of silly to attempt to discuss spimes, blogjects and ontomes outside of the network that supposedly enables spimes, blogjects and ontomes. The net's becoming a language engine. It's not about the ink and paper any more, any more than it's about the paper barcodes.
If you think this is hell, imagine being some Czech or Japanese guy who has to translate EVERYWARE .
That was my first thought about 'onto' was that it looks good written down, but is problematic to pronounce. Bad tag *smack* too, though, maybe.
If we're going greek, I'd lean towards, say, ecto/ectome or tauto/tautome, for a couple of examples.
It'sa hell of a lot of fun to think in this way -- to wonder about how the meanings of the prefixes might colour our future understandings of the things themselves, if one or the other Name were to gain currency....
That was my first thought about 'onto' was that it looks good written down, but is problematic to pronounce. Bad tag *smack* too, though, maybe.
If we're going greek, I'd lean towards, say, ecto/ectome or tauto/tautome, for a couple of examples.
It'sa hell of a lot of fun to think in this way -- to wonder about how the meanings of the prefixes might colour our future understandings of the things themselves, if one or the other Name were to gain currency....
Damn IME.
Damn IME.
I'm starting to think that maybe some machine assistance is in order. The semantic web can help us. Instead of being forced to cling fiercely to one word, we ought to be able to survey buzzword activities on a screen, and kinda handicap the contenders, horse-race style. For instance, "telly" for television in Britain is a fait accompli, but "lappy" for laptop and "mobe" for a cellphone? Dear God, nooooooooo.....
http://www.theregister.co.uk/200.../14/lappy_poll/
I'm starting to think that maybe some machine assistance is in order. The semantic web can help us. Instead of being forced to cling fiercely to one word, we ought to be able to survey buzzword activities on a screen, and kinda handicap the contenders, horse-race style. For instance, "telly" for television in Britain is a fait accompli, but "lappy" for laptop and "mobe" for a cellphone? Dear God, nooooooooo.....
http://www.theregister.co.uk/200.../14/lappy_poll/
a little more to the point, is this really one "internet of things" or is real a bunch of internets of things. There is no TCP/IP holding them all together yet, there are many networks, thus internets seems far more accurate. Now that actually brings us to the point. There is a level where names are crucial, where nomenclature equals power and that's on the level of protocol. And just who is writing the protocol?
a little more to the point, is this really one "internet of things" or is real a bunch of internets of things. There is no TCP/IP holding them all together yet, there are many networks, thus internets seems far more accurate. Now that actually brings us to the point. There is a level where names are crucial, where nomenclature equals power and that's on the level of protocol. And just who is writing the protocol?
'In order for the crowd to have wisdom, the crowd has to be made up of individuals who argue! Or as he puts it in the book, "Diversity and independence are important because the best collective decisions are the product of disagreement and contest, not consensus or compromise. An intelligent group, especially when confronted with cognition problems, does not ask its members to modify their positions in order to let the group reach a decision everyone can be happy with. Instead, it figures out how to use mechanisms--like market prices, or intelligent voting systems--to aggregate and produce collective judgements that represent now what any one person in the group thinks but rather, in some sense, what they all think."
'And my favorite line that sums it up:
"Paradoxically, the best way for a group to be smart is for each person in it to think and act as independently as possible."'
I don't think market prices or voting systems are gonna get you a ringing poetic allusion that captures the intrinsic value of a new technology. But SOME device might... some kind of buzzword-tracking semantic processor might help you dig out the word/term/tag that makes a critical difference in popular usage. It would do for semantics what word-processing did for typing.
I think we're scarily close to that. I can almost smell it.
'In order for the crowd to have wisdom, the crowd has to be made up of individuals who argue! Or as he puts it in the book, "Diversity and independence are important because the best collective decisions are the product of disagreement and contest, not consensus or compromise. An intelligent group, especially when confronted with cognition problems, does not ask its members to modify their positions in order to let the group reach a decision everyone can be happy with. Instead, it figures out how to use mechanisms--like market prices, or intelligent voting systems--to aggregate and produce collective judgements that represent now what any one person in the group thinks but rather, in some sense, what they all think."
'And my favorite line that sums it up:
"Paradoxically, the best way for a group to be smart is for each person in it to think and act as independently as possible."'
I don't think market prices or voting systems are gonna get you a ringing poetic allusion that captures the intrinsic value of a new technology. But SOME device might... some kind of buzzword-tracking semantic processor might help you dig out the word/term/tag that makes a critical difference in popular usage. It would do for semantics what word-processing did for typing.
I think we're scarily close to that. I can almost smell it.
Is it proprietary secret code or open source code? Well, that's a political choice.
Is it proprietary secret code or open source code? Well, that's a political choice.
I also like that it's taken our technology a hundred years to catch up with Saussure. : . )
I also like that it's taken our technology a hundred years to catch up with Saussure. : . )
OK, now this is getting fun! What I want now is a website where we can suggest prologomena (not a word yet, appropriately) for these things, throw words at the hivemind and see what sticks, but modeled as a stockmarket/betting shop. Kind of a Halfbaked, but for wordlovers. 'This month, the odds on 'ontome' taking the prize (you know, hitting that ol' victory condition) are 5:1. We're running at 100:1 on 'spime'.' Heh.
Virtual payouts of coinage on our coinages would come when the NYT or whoever first uses the neologism in their fine publication.
Too bad I haven't written any Real Code in years, I'd do it myself....
OK, now this is getting fun! What I want now is a website where we can suggest prologomena (not a word yet, appropriately) for these things, throw words at the hivemind and see what sticks, but modeled as a stockmarket/betting shop. Kind of a Halfbaked, but for wordlovers. 'This month, the odds on 'ontome' taking the prize (you know, hitting that ol' victory condition) are 5:1. We're running at 100:1 on 'spime'.' Heh.
Virtual payouts of coinage on our coinages would come when the NYT or whoever first uses the neologism in their fine publication.
Too bad I haven't written any Real Code in years, I'd do it myself....
Geeks are writing the protocol.
At first I thought you wrote "Greeks"! So I'll be Greek for a bit: "Onto" made me remember that where a "taxonomy" is a system of nodes, a "taxon" is a single node. So "onto" should be "onton".
Then I got to thinking about the original purpose of a taxonomy, which was to classify animals.
Then I wrote WAY too much stuff to fit in here. I concluded that we don't need a new word, really, that we should simply use a plainspoken metaphorical term for unnamed new objects observed "in the wild": species. Or maybe something cuter, like "critter". Here's why.
Geeks are writing the protocol.
At first I thought you wrote "Greeks"! So I'll be Greek for a bit: "Onto" made me remember that where a "taxonomy" is a system of nodes, a "taxon" is a single node. So "onto" should be "onton".
Then I got to thinking about the original purpose of a taxonomy, which was to classify animals.
Then I wrote WAY too much stuff to fit in here. I concluded that we don't need a new word, really, that we should simply use a plainspoken metaphorical term for unnamed new objects observed "in the wild": species. Or maybe something cuter, like "critter". Here's why.
I totally agree with this, too. I don't think we should be bending over backwards to support tag-based metadata. It's like we're working for the machines instead of making them work for us.
I totally agree with this, too. I don't think we should be bending over backwards to support tag-based metadata. It's like we're working for the machines instead of making them work for us.
as active elements in "sensor webs."
http://www.nature.com/news/2006/...ll/ 440402a.html
as active elements in "sensor webs."
http://www.nature.com/news/2006/...ll/ 440402a.html
I coulda said that the "wranglers" are writing the protocol, but that particular neologism wouldn't have gained us much.
Sometimes people wonder how we would occupy ten billion people in a world full of spimes. Well, they'd wrangle. Sometimes I discuss semantics with my laptop and its software. Quite a lot of the time I'm just fighting with the laptop and its software. Do I expect this to get simpler and more user-friendly?
No.
I coulda said that the "wranglers" are writing the protocol, but that particular neologism wouldn't have gained us much.
Sometimes people wonder how we would occupy ten billion people in a world full of spimes. Well, they'd wrangle. Sometimes I discuss semantics with my laptop and its software. Quite a lot of the time I'm just fighting with the laptop and its software. Do I expect this to get simpler and more user-friendly?
No.
This is why preserving some space for meaningful gestures of refusal is so important to me. I don't want to spend the rest of my life on hold, waiting for Tech Support.
This is why preserving some space for meaningful gestures of refusal is so important to me. I don't want to spend the rest of my life on hold, waiting for Tech Support.
I'm getting interested in the culture-war between cellphones and movie theaters. This seems like a possible precursor to a world of spime-free zones.
I'm getting interested in the culture-war between cellphones and movie theaters. This seems like a possible precursor to a world of spime-free zones.
That's actually what the last part of my book is all about.
That's actually what the last part of my book is all about.
So -- do you have any HOT NEOLOGISMS for describing refusenik spaces that sound more to the point than "refusenik spaces"?
So -- do you have any HOT NEOLOGISMS for describing refusenik spaces that sound more to the point than "refusenik spaces"?
will help us "gain control of the inner environment."
http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html
I especially like the tinfoil hat. Imagine a world where tinfoil hats actually made sense and were maybe even government-mandated.
will help us "gain control of the inner environment."
http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html
I especially like the tinfoil hat. Imagine a world where tinfoil hats actually made sense and were maybe even government-mandated.
If everyware is really ubiquitous you can't just refuse alone. So you don't sms or whatever, you're either outside the target market anyway or you look silly. Remember in the late 90's when all these people swore they'd never get cellphones only to give in 9 months later? You can refuse as a group, but odds are it won't last long and may well suck in the process. What's the half-life of a commune, 6 months?
No, if you really want to build a refusenik space you are going to have to do it on the level of culture, you need to create a refusenik culture, one strong enough to ward off those evil tech spirits...
If everyware is really ubiquitous you can't just refuse alone. So you don't sms or whatever, you're either outside the target market anyway or you look silly. Remember in the late 90's when all these people swore they'd never get cellphones only to give in 9 months later? You can refuse as a group, but odds are it won't last long and may well suck in the process. What's the half-life of a commune, 6 months?
No, if you really want to build a refusenik space you are going to have to do it on the level of culture, you need to create a refusenik culture, one strong enough to ward off those evil tech spirits...
re: the suggestion of "ecto". I already used that one for the desktop blogging client of the same name.
http://www.google.com/search?q=ecto
re: the suggestion of "ecto". I already used that one for the desktop blogging client of the same name.
http://www.google.com/search?q=ecto
