Perhaps a 'right-wing' educational style is the best prerequisite for truly 'modern Orthodox' adults.Indeed, can anyone name a MO religious leader who had a truly MO primary education? The MO community would likely identify RYBS as its role model, yet he had a thoroughly chareidi upbringing, which he added to and expanded in his adult life by virture of his singularly prodigious intellect. Hardly proof that the MO educational system is deisgned to, or even capable of, producing what the movement professes to be its ideal.
Dear Anonymous,
If you read carefully, you'll notice that I believe that Modern Orthodoxy is superior to Ultra Orthodoxy, but that UO is a prerequisite for being truly MO.
Sorry that I had to spell it out for you, but maybe you'll think about that next time you decide to sully my blog with your unwarranted and untrue comments.
While I agree with the sentiments, I'm not sold on reading it into the gemara. I've heard a more convincing pshat based on comparisons with a bunch of other aggadatot, basically saying that the monster was the ga'ava that can be prevalent in the beit midrah, and bowing/submission/humility being its cure. I forget how the seven heads etc. fit in, but it was a good explanation, I thought.
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Posted by Jewish to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 2/3/2005 10:32:42 AM
I never suggested that this is the only way, or that there is an 'only way', to read an Aggadah. I've seen other explanations as well. For example, take a look at:
http://www.shuvubonim.org/adar.html
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midras...c19/
E_Magic.doc
http://www.mesora.org/jewishtimes86.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/College...6185/
paper1.htm
For a 'theology' of the legitimacy of creative interpretation of Aggadot, see R' Kook's introduction to 'Eyn Ayah'.
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Posted by ADDeRabbi to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 2/3/2005 12:47:59 PM
(I wouldn't be anonymous if I had already signed in; I'll therefore call myself anon2 to distinguish myself from the first anon. quote)
It is anachronistic to refer to RYBS' upbringing as chareidi. He was well-read as a child and had somewhat diverse influences. Nonetheless, you are correct that if you had to classify his upbringing in one of today's models, it would be UO. Many of our other luminaries today, YBL"H, also had more-or-less UO upbringings. A few of the YU people are exceptions, though (R' Rosensweig, for example).
Anyway, having grown up in the same state as ADDeRabbi, learned in the same yeshivas (more or less) and worked at his current place of employment (more or less), I tend to agree with him.
P.S. ADDeRabbi, would you return my email? Thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 2/4/2005 10:24:46 AM
Perhaps a 'right-wing' educational style is the best prerequisite for truly 'modern Orthodox' adults.Indeed, can anyone name a MO religious leader who had a truly MO primary education? The MO community would likely identify RYBS as its role model, yet he had a thoroughly chareidi upbringing, which he added to and expanded in his adult life by virture of his singularly prodigious intellect. Hardly proof that the MO educational system is deisgned to, or even capable of, producing what the movement professes to be its ideal.
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Posted by Anonymous to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 1/30/2005 06:24:22 PM
Dear Anonymous,
If you read carefully, you'll notice that I believe that Modern Orthodoxy is superior to Ultra Orthodoxy, but that UO is a prerequisite for being truly MO.
Sorry that I had to spell it out for you, but maybe you'll think about that next time you decide to sully my blog with your unwarranted and untrue comments.
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Posted by ADDeRabbi to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 1/31/2005 02:53:08 PM
Oh PLEASE spare us the self-righteous-yeshivesha-rabbi pincus broyer-i know what G-D wants-so im going to stick it down everyones throat- crap if you were as lakewoodesque as you would like me to believe why are you even on the internet.
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Posted by AMSHINOVER to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 1/31/2005 08:00:55 PM
While I agree with the sentiments, I'm not sold on reading it into the gemara. I've heard a more convincing pshat based on comparisons with a bunch of other aggadatot, basically saying that the monster was the ga'ava that can be prevalent in the beit midrah, and bowing/submission/humility being its cure. I forget how the seven heads etc. fit in, but it was a good explanation, I thought.
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Posted by Jewish to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 2/3/2005 10:32:42 AM
I never suggested that this is the only way, or that there is an 'only way', to read an Aggadah. I've seen other explanations as well. For example, take a look at:
http://www.shuvubonim.org/adar.html
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midras...c19/
E_Magic.doc
http://www.mesora.org/jewishtimes86.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/College...6185/
paper1.htm
For a 'theology' of the legitimacy of creative interpretation of Aggadot, see R' Kook's introduction to 'Eyn Ayah'.
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Posted by ADDeRabbi to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 2/3/2005 12:47:59 PM
(I wouldn't be anonymous if I had already signed in; I'll therefore call myself anon2 to distinguish myself from the first anon. quote)
It is anachronistic to refer to RYBS' upbringing as chareidi. He was well-read as a child and had somewhat diverse influences. Nonetheless, you are correct that if you had to classify his upbringing in one of today's models, it would be UO. Many of our other luminaries today, YBL"H, also had more-or-less UO upbringings. A few of the YU people are exceptions, though (R' Rosensweig, for example).
Anyway, having grown up in the same state as ADDeRabbi, learned in the same yeshivas (more or less) and worked at his current place of employment (more or less), I tend to agree with him.
P.S. ADDeRabbi, would you return my email? Thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous to ADDeRabbi- 'ATAR DI BEI YECHDUN RUCHIN VE-NAFSHIN' at 2/4/2005 10:24:46 AM
You are amazing. I wish we could talk, like, daily! Or you could talk and I would listen. Yasher Koach.
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