That, my friend, unfortunately happens not just in Afghanistan. These people who want to control the life of others are everywhere. Even in Europe, in some suburbs, these idiots are chasing girls who don't "dress appropriately" or guys who might eat some ham... Distatefull and racist (as they target their victims based on their physical appearance) and just push people against their own religion, in my opinion. I dream about the day where, in all Muslim countries, people will behave like I saw in Casablanca where they eat what they want and do what they want without bothering their neighboors with their idiocy.
In Casablanca this happen because they kick the asses of Islamists and continuously keep them in check.
Problem is you can not have a free western society (with Human Rights and freedom) with Islam living together. One will kill the other.
Islam endure because it is frozen in amber with all its little rules about all. But like amber is brittle and weak if it is exposed to the heat of criticism and the hammer of rationality.
Nasim is not a good Muslim, this is because I like him. He prefer his kafir friends to other Muslims (that is against what the Quran teach), he eat pork, probably drink beer.
I don’t know when we as Afghan become humanized a bit. I don’t know why we are so savage and being so untold.
They are so because they follow Islam and they will become better when they will cease to do so.
The human mind has to evolve in order to understand the concept of non-violence. A weak mind could easily be provoked and manipulated by religion, culture and other man-made ideologies. We are dogmatic in our belief because we fear, we are weak, and we have not understood the human within. This condition is universal and you will find it in every culture and society. I think, only through another mind evolution we will leave our cruelty behind. peace and a safe trip out of Helmand my friend.
The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.
Krishnamurti
Mirco, I don't think it is just Islam. It is all people that think they can impose their own view or idea of religion to others. Where I used to live in the Netherlands, there were also people who would frowned upon someone taking his car (or even bike) on a Sunday. And some would have never talked to me, just because I was not going to mass.
I respect my friends and that means everything I can do I do that for them.
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Maybe it should be better that not feel ourselves always better than the others, expecially better than people born in our same place and that they have our culture.
Maybe we make different mistakes, maybe we don't always realize how many mistakes we do, maybe we treat badly someone, maybe we don't have respect to someone (friends or others) but then we are always ready to judge someone is wrong...
why?
a too big Ego?
too much presumption?
we should examine our consciences and rectify our mistakes before to criticize other people, i think
meri,
you are so right! I also think that we should stop judging others and focus on improving our own behavior. The problem with religion is that it does not progress with time and sooner or later it will become obsolete. like many other religions of the world before them.
Dear Nasim, I think you exaggerate a bit in this case. I have served in Afghanistan (in Kabul and Kunduz)for some years and know the people and their Culture well. May be the guy didn't want to insult your friends. May be he just wanted to help you as a muslim to know about the sort of the meat.
And as a friend you must not eat or do the same thing to show your friendship and loyality. Every one has his own taste and fondness for different things. For example my girl friend is a vegetarian and she really hates meat, so we eat different things but we still love and respect each other.
Nassir, that's true, of course not only about Islam but also all the others religions. All religions should learn to be in step with times, about relationships between men and women and about civil rights for example... I live in Italy, a catholic country and i know that well...
Ralfh, i'm totally agreed with you. We shouldn't be equal but respect our differences.
Respect doesn't mean eating or doing the same things of our friends, girl/boyfriends or relatives.
Respect means loving, not hurting without any right reason, helping always, not leaving alone someone when he/her needs some love or help.
What sort of friend or boyfriend is someone that eats whatever i cook for him, tell me always "thanks, thanks, thanks", name me "dear, love, sun, moon, janam" and then hurt me and leave me alone after a lot of promises of friendship or love?
Where is respect? That's only something prim, cerimonious and above all fake.
religion is good only if practiced personally, not imposed by state or by one person over the other. unfortunately, islam is both ways, it is imposed by islamic "state" and guarded (and imposed) by individuals.
one thing i would never be able to forget is a similar case to nasim's. my friends took me out for my birthday dinner at a restaurant in kabul and i ordered pork. i just started eating the delicious steak when a waiter came and asked for my passport. i had mixed feelings: anger, fear, grief, pain, embarrassment...
it is no one's business what i eat or drink!
the reason i am not going to afghanistan again is that i don't want my freedom be taken away from me. i am tired of islam being preached at each second of my life!
i understand you nasim! just persevere!
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do"!
Dear friends
There are 4 kinds of people according to Islamic rules:
1. Someone who accepts Islam by heart and practices it in daily life called Real Muslim (Momin).
2. Somebody who accepts Islam by heart and doesn't practice it in daily life called immodest (Fasiq).
3. A person who does not accept Islam by heart but practice it seemingly called hypocrite or charlatan (Munafiq). And finally,
4. Someone who does not accept Islam by heart and does not practice it either, simply called infidel (Kafir).
Mr. Nasim Fekrat may come under SECOND or THIRD categories.
Though he is free to do anything inside or outside Afghanistan, always he has to obey the rules and regulations of his host country. This rule is applicable even in business, politics, etc (respecting the local culture and tradition).
Nasim Fekrat CAN NOT be an exception at all.
Such people should know that even in France (EU's top member) where secularism is ruling the country, a Muslim lady can not enter an office or university with Hijab (scarf).
Turkey is another example of secularism where majority of people are being forced to remove their Hijab in most of the areas against their wants and wishes.
Two weeks ago a Muslim lady killed inside a court in Germany, in front of judges and police only for having Hijab.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwa_El-Sherbini)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/
8136500.stm)
Therefore, Nasim and his friends must accept culture of their host country, anywhere and anytime.
Otherwise, he shouldn't say anything as it is not tolerated even in Germany and France where the people and authorities claiming fabrication and implementation of human-rights, freedom of speech, freedom of action, women right and ... as well as democracy!
Regards
Dear Nasim Shinas,
The whole point of Human Rights is precisely to protect human beings (men and women alike) against abuses of other humans or of the government. So the "in Rome do as the Romans", although a great advice to get out of trouble, is a weak argument. The fact is that someone (a private person) can feel like checking on your private life and/or religious practice is a gross abuse, wherever this happens. In this case, it is a private abuse against Human Rights and the personal freedom of our friend, but if it was the fact of a local policeman, it would have been an oppressive abuse by the government. The fact that the Afghan law might or not authorize it is irrelevant in regards to the respect of Human Rights. Afghanistan is not (yet) a democracy, and by far.
As for the sad story of this Egyptian lady, it is a far worse case, as it included a terrible murder. But (here too), it was a crime, committed by a known criminal and against the law of Germany. This person will be put on trial for it and most probably get a very long jail time (most probably for life). The person who so impolitely checked on Nasim will not get in trouble at all, on the contrary. That is the sad thing...
Dear Alphast
I agree with most parts of your opinion. However, the point I wanted to mention in my previous text is that democracy and secularism slowly changes to dictatorship as well. e.g. France and Turkey examples were used to mention this fact.
Therefore, secularism and democracy have got the same problems as Islam has.
Women right, human right, democracy, freedom of speech and last not the least freedom of action are those beautiful words which are always sounding well in books or speeches of politicians. e.g. Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea and etc are good examples for implementation of such terms.
It would be useless for the victim (lady killed in Germany) and her family members if the murderer gets life-sentence or 10, 20 years jail because in west, jail is the most comfortable place due to the facilities and services that detainees get there for free.
It is so sad that most of criminals and dictators around the word are being supported by those countries who want to export so called democracy through cruise missiles, cluster bombs and other mass-distraction weapons. e.g. following is the document showing the secret relation of US with Taliban regime known as Messengers of Terror of late 20th century.
http://kabulpress.org/my/IMG/pdf...G/pdf/
tal17.pdf
Countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt where people are suffering from cruelty and injustice are being strongly supported by those who are injecting their 20th century product (democracy) in the vessels of Iraqis, Palestinians and Afghans by force and pressure.
People around the world are tired of such enormous lies. It is enough!
There is no justice anywhere in this world. Even in western countries! They are usually lying and submerging their false and dishonesty through mass media propaganda.
P.S. It is interesting to know that the person who prevented Nasim Fekrat from eating bacon is working with coalition forces in Helmand province.
Regards!
Dear my Brother, I am an Zoroasterian born in Iran. The problem with the war and hunger and division between people is not Religion but propaganda and brain washing done by Jews. love you.
Yes, sure... I will never understand how people can fail to see that most trouble begin when all our own failures and pettiness are being blamed on one category of persons. Hunger and divisions are caused because most people are selfish, ignorant and don't try to see a little bit further than the point of their nose.
By the way, I would like to comment back on Nasim Shinas answer. I don't really care for who this person works. This person should have mind his own business. This person was simply rude.
As for democracies and secularism changing to dictatures, I am obviously of a different opinion. I must agree, of course, that there are abuses in Western countries, and crimes are being committed (although, and by far, much less than in most "Islamic Republics"). Again, I don't think it is the religion which is to blame, but these "republics" are usually republics only in name, and I am not even mentioning the obvious oppressive regimes such as Saudi Arabia. They are simply dictatures of a religious or military elite (or both).
As for France, I would like to point that (until now), there is no law preventing women to wear a veil if they so feel in their private life or in the street. However, both at school and in public (civil servant) functions, all ostentatious religious signs and not just the veil are banned. This has been decided by the Parliament (in a democratic way) to protect the secularism, show the neutrality of the State towards any and all religions and in general to separate religion from public life.
I personally think this was not the best way to proceed, as I believe the school ban was unnecessary (by the way, it is extremely leniently applied by most French schools). But I agree with the civil servant ban (similar to the one in Turkey). I would be very annoyed to have to deal in my life with a civil servant who is showing clear religious signs. It would make me highly uncomfortable and would give me the feeling that I could be discriminated.
There is another debate currently in France about banning or partially banning the wearing of clothes that totally cover the body, making it impossible to see who is wearing them (for instance a burqah). This is mostly for security reasons, as it is impossible to identify these persons, particularly in or around schools or in public places where people's security is important.
don't get too stressed out nasim. life is too short
kudos to alphast. i totally agree.
I would have been like "cool, thanks for the revelation" and continued eating the pork.
Hi,
well freedom means not to do what everyone do.. with other words you don't have to eat pork to be accepted..
a good fried will and (should) respect you when you say no to pork. In addtion what your parents give you as some kind of culture this, should be protected from your side at least a few things you should save yourself.
Don't forget where you come from since even if you change totally as for instance as a european, everyone will reduce you where you come from...
peace brother!
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