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Tell Chaz.
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08.07.08 - 6:17 pm | #
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Sad to say, it doesn't much matter how Chaz, or you, or NYC Math Teacher or I vote. Obama, unless something really outlandish comes down the pike, will surely take New York.
I'd say, though, it's about time we got rid of the electoral college and instituted democracy in the election of the President of the United States. Did you notice all those years they sent Jimmy Carter out arranging and monitoring elections, not once did he even attempt to set up an electoral college?
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08.07.08 - 7:37 pm | #
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nyc educator: If we had a straight vote, the candidates would only campaign in New York, California, Texas, Florida, etc. States like Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico would be ignored. That is why the electorial college was set up to give these states a real say in the presidential elections.
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08.07.08 - 8:48 pm | #
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I've heard this before and I'm not impressed. Perhaps you've forgotten 2000, but our entire country and system looked like the most absurd banana republic, with GW winning a key contested state run by his brother and then a decision from his Daddy's Supreme Court.
Things have changed over the last 200 years, there are more than thirteen states, we have a national media that could be used to get the word out to everyone, and the current system stinks to high heaven, even if it favors the Democrat right now. I'm sorry more people live in New York than Iowa, but if they do, they ought to have more votes.
It's high time to institute democracy, which we so fervently champion everywhere but here.
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08.07.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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In 2000 I voted for Al Gore. However, the Florida election was a problem for both parties. Recounts only in selected counties, military votes not counted, poor voting instructions, and the hanging chad issue.
What we really need is a uniform voting procedure. That is the reason we have voting problems, the lack of uniform standards.
I still think it is important for the small states to be counted and I support the electorial college to give them a say in the presidential election.
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08.08.08 - 10:06 am | #
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Well, you're still entitled to your opinion, even if the current candidates feel they have the right to listen to it if you're imprudent enough to express it over the phone. But the Florida election was not ultimately a problem for the candidate with both its governor and the Supreme Court in his pocket.
Still, the electoral college, instituted well before we had the right to elect our senators, was instituted not only to keep the Rabble from having undue influence, but also, ironically, to keep politics out of the process. It certainly hasn't worked out that way.
http://uselectionatlas.org/
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08.08.08 - 10:22 am | #
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I am not the biggest McCain fan, but it easily beats the alternative. For those of you here from NYC, imagine David Dinkins on a national scale. Enough for me after 20 years to become a registered Republican.
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08.10.08 - 6:36 pm | #
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I can't help but notice you fail to present even the remotest justification for your suggestions. Perhaps if I mistook such things for argument, I'd like McCain too.
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08.10.08 - 10:44 pm | #
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Yeah, wow, that's some impressive convincing.
Maybe if I say that McCain is late second term Reagan with Bush's insight, advisors and knowledge that'll bring him back?
Very odd.
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08.11.08 - 5:43 pm | #
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Chaz: I am originally from Oklahoma, and I can assure you that small states are already ignored in the great Electoral College calculus 90 percent of the time. If you don't at least have 20 EC votes, you are a waste of space.
NYC: My favorite McCain moment was when he voted against increasing GI Bill benefits for current servicemen, saying that it would be a disincentive against re-enlistment.
Because, you know, once you've made someone feel as if they've got no options, you have them right where you want them. Heaven forbid that our veterans would be able to decide to return to civilian life (if being in the IRR can be called "civilian life" under this administration) and be able to afford college!
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08.12.08 - 9:30 pm | #
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