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Great post! Bravo!
What Ali Sina says is true: The West will make them mad with this strategy, and ridicule might shame many Muslims. But who is going to do this? Our leaders, the MSM, and broadcasters generally can't bring themselves to criticize any aspect of Islam, let alone ridicule their beliefs.
The added fear of being sued will shut these people up still further.
What do you think?
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Moreover, such a strategy is liable to escalate the problem we already have.
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03.12.08 - 11:10 am | #
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What you miss, Mark is that people don't fear being sued. They know the mullahs can't prevail in this suit.
What happened to the "flying mullahs"? They never even got to court and as these things crop up from time to time it will become more clear that Western laws prevail in courts.
Better this way than to have a bunch a drama queens demanding we fear all things Arab or all things Muslim.
It often amazes me that we have so little faith in our own system and culture.
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And the basis for this lawsuit would be . . . what? Is it possible to slander or libel someone who has been dead for the past 1,200 years?
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Mr Ducky, I strongly disagree. I think many, many people and organizations fear being sued. This is surely one of the main reasons why no American newspaper, or British one, would reprint the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad. They all ran scared.
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Mustang
That's a damn good question. But didn't these people say that they were going to sue through a Jordanian court? God knows what kind of whacko rules they have!
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All you have to do is not go to Jordan...so much for tourists going to Petra...
tmw
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03.12.08 - 4:47 pm | #
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Muslims have no problem with silly ridiculing cartoons in their own lands. Who are they trying to kid? As a matter of fact they approve of cartoons. Many cartoons.
Like these: http://tinyurl.com/7m2sx
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Muslims want, nay demand, respect; but they don't want to show any. The cartoons they come up with about Jews, for instance, are blood-curdling!
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Great point, Sounder. I propose that Israel and the US counter-sue.
But then, this is just more LEGAL JIHAD.
The flying imams may not have made it to trial, but these litigious terrorist will continue to throw crap and see what sticks.
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03.12.08 - 7:28 pm | #
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sue sue sue!..friggin legal jiiiiiiiiihad..bring it on Jordan! 
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03.12.08 - 8:27 pm | #
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All they deserve is derisive laughter. Nothing more.
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03.12.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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Excerpt from this source:
...[T]he Egyptian Newspaper Al Fagr had published the Danish cartoons of Mohamed - back in October 2005, in the middle of Ramadan, and nothing happend. There was no outrage, no protests, nothing in the way of a Muslim reaction:
Egyptian Sandmonkey says that this proves once again that the entire campaign "of outrage" was instigated by the Danish imams and our arab islamic governments for their own political purposes....
...In other words, we've been had, and the American media bought it all - hook," lying," and sinker!!!...
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Mark,
Muslims want, nay demand, respect; but they don't want to show any.
Of course. The Koran tells them not to make friends with non-Muslims. I'm sure that you can cite chapter and verse for that concept.
Perceived weakness--such as the cowardice the West is showing--only serves to strengthen the Muslim belief about "the will of Allah."
We must not kid ourselves. By not publishing the cartoons, the West showed weakness.
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03.13.08 - 7:18 am | #
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Duck,
The suit will likely not go anywhere. On that, we agree.
But I disagree with you that people aren't afraid of being sued.
Speaking from the personal experience of having been sued, I can tell you that it's a terrible experience--and an expensive one, at that.
People will take lots of preventive steps to avoid being sued. In fact, we do so regularly, every time we renew our car insurance and every time we pay our healthcare premium.
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And let's not forget that Cambridge Press pulped all available copies of Alms for Jihad, because a Saudi prince squawked. From this source:
Here’s a story with huge implications for freedom of speech (all negative), and it’s apparently gone almost entirely unreported in the mainstream press. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education (subscription required), under threat of a law suit, Cambridge University Press has just agreed to pulp all unsold copies of the 2006 book, Alms for Jihad: Charity and Terrorism in the Islamic World. According to the Chronicle, this is the fourth such book on terrorism funding to be pursued by a libel action....
And from this source:
Bin Mahfouz apparently has amassed a number of judgements by default, in other words the case was not tried on its merits. Everyone just caves, pays a fine, and gets out of Dodge as fast as they can.
Cambridge Press had pretty deep pockets but it too folded. If I were a reporter writing about this I would see what connections it has with the Saudis... That would be interesting to know.
And now I return to the main point: Why isn't this pattern of silencing by the Saudis of authors who are critical of them been the topic of an article in the mainstream press?
There are important legal precedences here...
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03.13.08 - 7:24 am | #
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From my posting here:
One has to ask, "Why are Muslims so incensed about a bunch of CARTOONS?"
Somehow, what pops into my mind in answer is the behavior of Baal's prophets in the Old Testament. Is there a parallel with Islam?
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Mustang,
Is it possible to slander or libel someone who has been dead for the past 1,200 years?
Muslims are especially sensitive, you know.
As a Christian, I don't get all het up if someone ridicules one of my prophets--Moses, Isaiah, Hosea, etc. They were men, after all, and therefore flawed.
Muslims, however, won't admit to any of MTP's flaws. MTP is, in effect, deified. Does that make Islam a cult?
Always On Watch |
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03.13.08 - 7:29 am | #
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Sounder,
I hope that everyone here will take a look at that link you posted.
The cartoons in Islamic papers are vile. How much flag-burning and rioting do Westerners do over those images?
Always On Watch |
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Benning,
All they deserve is derisive laughter. Nothing more.
Muslims have no sense of humor when it comes to their prophet.
Remember Bill Cosby's "God and Noah" routine? Can you imagine such a routine for MTP?
Hey, you're a professional writer! You could write such a skit. Hehehe.
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03.13.08 - 7:32 am | #
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Brooke & Angel,
Yes, it is legal jihad.
That's why I used the post label "Litigation-ifada." It's part of the cartoonifada.
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03.13.08 - 7:34 am | #
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AOW, on the matter of suits. Publications have a legal staff and deal with this sort of thing all the time.
It's quite clear that Denmark has chosen to make a case of the cartoons and continue to print them in order to make a point. The suit is a tempest in a teapot and clearly has had no impact on the Danish press.
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We are winning, the Muslims are becoming Westernized. Isn't sueing everyone that hurts your little feelings (or for any other reason) a western thing. AOW, they might sue you for telling the truth.
God Bless America, God Save The Republic.
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03.13.08 - 5:52 pm | #
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David,
I've got more important things to worry about. 
Always On Watch |
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03.13.08 - 7:49 pm | #
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Duck,
Denmark has chosen to make a case of the cartoons...
Actually, it is certain Muslims who are making a huge to-do out of it. They're doing themselves more damage.
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"The cartoons in Islamic papers are vile. How much flag-burning and rioting do Westerners do over those images?" ...
Always On Watch
I had a hizzy and went out and burnt 5 cars in my neighborhood. Just doin' my part.
Heh./
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The OIC seems concerned about the Danish cartoons:
JEDDAH, 13 March 2008 — The 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which is the world’s second largest body after the United Nations, is holding its 11th summit in the Senegalese capital Dakar today and tomorrow.
At least 33 heads of state, and nearly 5,500 delegates representing member countries and international organizations will attend the summit. Saudi Arabia, which has the OIC’s headquarters, has highlighted the summit’s significance and hopes it will strengthen Muslim unity.
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The OIC chief said a detailed report on Islamophobia, including the publication of cartoons denigrating Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), would be presented to summit leaders. The report is an attempt to comprehensively record anti-Islamic speech and action around the world. “The Islamophobes remain free to carry on their assault due to absence of necessary legal measures against the misuse or abuse of the right to freedom of expression,” charges the report.
The United States is participating in the OIC:
The United States has decided to send an envoy to the OIC summit for the first time. OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu welcomed Washington’s decision and hoped that it would contribute to improving US relations with the Islamic world. “There are plenty of problems and misunderstandings. But still there is plenty of potential for cooperation,” he said.
The US government said it had appointed Texas entrepreneur Sada Cumber to the OIC “to promote mutual understanding and dialogue between the US and Muslim communities.” Ihsanoglu said the OIC’s position on issues like the Palestine-Israel conflict is often misrepresented in the United States. “We want (Cumber) to listen and learn,” Ihsanoglu said.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the appointment of Cumber signals the deep respect for the values and ideals of Islam held by the US government and the American people. “This appointment is one part of a much larger effort that our government has undertaken to increase our engagement with Muslim communities worldwide,” she said....
Condi Rice is a dhimmi--at the least. And THIS proves it. As if we need more proof after her speech several years ago when she kept mentioning the "holy" Koran.
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"... Condoleezza Rice said the appointment of Cumber signals the deep respect for the values and ideals of Islam held by the US government and the American people."
She should speak for herself. Many Americans must be insulted by such statements.
If we all had the values and ideals of Islam, the world would be a trash heap and Rice would be among the first to complain.
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Sounder,
Almost three years ago, I posted this open letter at my original blog site.
Also, more recently HERE at this site, I posted this about a letter I received from the White House.
This administration doesn't want to accept the facts. I'm not sure that the next administration will be any different, either.
The "values" of Islam are spreading all over the world, and the dhimmis are aiding and abetting that spread.
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03.14.08 - 12:44 pm | #
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The next administration both here and there could be worse.
Must be something in our water?
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AOW, all lights were out when the White House responded to your letter. Plus, copy, paste is easy.
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According to this posting today at Mark Alexander's site:
INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE: BRUSSELS, Belgium: The Netherlands is asking for European Union solidarity at a summit of the bloc's leaders in case the expected release of an anti-Quran film by a maverick Dutch lawmaker leads to violence, officials said Thursday.
And the EU, which said 2 1/2 years ago that publishing cartoons of the prophet Mohammed deemed offensive by Muslims went too far, appeared set to back the Dutch position on freedom of speech. The issue was to be discussed later Thursday.
The Dutch lawmaker, Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders, has said he plans to air the film this month. Dutch and other European officials fear the film could spark violent protests in Muslim countries similar to those held after the publication of the cartoons in Denmark.
The Netherlands has been warned by Islamic figures and countries, including Iran, that releasing the film would lead to violence there. It wants other EU countries to support its view that it cannot silence Wilders due to the constitutional right to freedom of expression.
Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende told fellow Christian Democratic leaders — including German Chancellor Angela Merkel — meeting before the summit that his government does not share Wilders' anti-Islam views but it respects his right to air his views.
Is it possible?
The EU is going to show the proper reaction to a bunch of Muslim bullies?
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Sounder,
"None so blind as those who will not see."
Reasoning and evidence will simply not reach dhimmis.
Always On Watch |
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Test.
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