AmericanPapist Comments
Israel in the New Covenant signifies the Church, who are now the people of God.
The old Israel have rejected God, and they are no longer His people. The Church is now the people of God:
"Not as though the word of God hath miscarried. For all are not Israelites that are of Israel. Neither are all they that are the seed of Abraham, children: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is to say, not they that are the children of the flesh are the children of God: but they that are the children of the promise are accounted for the seed.
(Rom 9:6-8 DRB)
The mixing of the political state of Israel with the Israel of the Old Testament (i.e. descendants of Jacob), and the Israel of the New Testament (i.e the Church) is simply improper.
Moreover, Lebanon did not intend or try to annihilate Israel. Lebanon took military action against Israel in order to retrieve its citizens that Israel illegally detains in its prisons.
In fact, it was Israel's response which tried to annihilate Lebanon. They have also conspired with everybody else in the world to do this. Even now, after over 420 civilians dead, and about 60 people still under the rubble in the city of Tyre alone, yet the U.S. insists that it's not yet time for a cease-fire.
In the city of Rmeish (a Christian city right on the border), there are now 16,000 people (about 10,000 of them are refugees from other cities), with absolutely no water, food, medicine, or anything else. They have ran out of everything since several days. Annihiliation ? yes.
huh? what??
Anyway Thomas, spoooky!
My first reaction to seeing the Psalm was how it reflects the situation Israelis feel they are in now. Any good faithful Jew would likely have thought of that Psalm already at least once.
My second reaction was that the innocent people in Lebanon (i.e. those not supporting Hezbollah) probably would say the same Psalm reflects their situation as well. What a harsh situation for everyone.
It is fantastic that this book was found. I hardly find it prophetic though. I keep thinking ofthe story of the old man who'ld open the bible and try to do what the first verse he saw said. One day he read, "judas went out and hanged himself." Well he decided to try again and came up with," therefore go thou and do the same."
On a lighter note check out what Curt Jester has to say.
So it's not Psalm 83 according to the Septuagint numbering then? ;)
Amen. to anonymous. The current state of israel has nothing to do with the "Israel" of the old testament. WE the Church are Israel, the state that occupies Palestine is not favored by God.
please do not attribute political connotations to "occupy" I simply meant "exists".
I found some consolation in today's morning liturgy of the hours... The second antiphon is "The Lord will make a river of peace flow through Jersualem". And in Psalm 147: "The Lord builds up Jerusalem and brings back Israel's exiles, he heals the broken-hearted, he binds up all their wounds."
--St. Peter's Helpers
Wow, I see you know a little about the Liturgy of the Hours [I'm just being silly]. Thanks so much for your devotions. All this week, from 1st Vespers on, the Psalms have given me the chills.
My husband and I humbly join our voice to yours in prayer.
The name Palestine [Palestina, a Romanization of the Hebrew word plishtim-Philistines, from the verb polshim] was given to Judea by the Emperor Hadrian [ca. 70-140 AD]. Hadrian renamed Judea so those "pesky Jews" would stop pining for their Land. He figured the Jews' bond to the Land of Israel would be broken if it was renamed with a name that was abhorent to the Jews.
BTW, that Hebrew word, polshim, is a verb that means foreign invaders.
Did I hear someone say, "How ironic."
Yeah, right!
Anonymous from your post you are an obvious Jew hater and ignorant of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which states:
CCC 839 - "To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ; "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."
Look up "irrevocable" in the dictionary.
Anon - while I agree that the people of Lebanon are suffering (and I know many people in Lebanon), Israel is trying to destroy a terrorist organization (that uses civilians as meat shields) within Lebanon ... a terrorist organization that is very happy to lob missile after missile at civilian targets within Isreal - and won't stop until Israel stops them.
Sorry for posting as Anonymous before, I was in a hurry.
inhocsig: Just what exactly did I say that made you consider me a Jew hater ?
Do you believe that the Old Covenant still stands ? That Jews are still God's people and don't need to join the Church ? That God has two sets of people ? two covenants ? that Jesus has two Bodies ? that Jews don't need to enter the Church to be saved ?
The very article of the Catechism which you quoted says:
839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways." The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People...
They are related to the people of God, but the Church is the people of God.
The Catechism does not say that the Jews are still God's people, that would be a heresy. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church now suffers from many heresy-bearers and Judaizers who would like us to think that God now has two people, or that Jesus has two Bodies.
It is very simple, the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable refers to the promises made to the Patriarchs & forefathers of the Jews, especially concerning Christ, just as the CCC says: "to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.""
And just as Romans 11:28-29 says: "As concerning the gospel, indeed, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are most dear for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance. (Romans 11:28-29 DRB)
Therefore I say to you that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof.
(Matthew 21:43 DRB)
AmericanPapist: Do not be swayed by propaganda, Hezbollah doesn't use any human shields, but Israel is simply saying that to cover up its massacres of innocent civilians. Yesterday a poll was conducted by the As-safir newspaper, 86% of the Lebanese still support Hezbollah's struggle against Israel.
Israel cannot put an end to Hezbollah, she would have to kill about a million people, since the majority of Shiites in Lebanon are members/supporters of Hezbollah. Though I would not be surprised if she does so.
The terrorist side that needs to be stopped is Israel, let them give us back our kidnapped citizens, withdraw from what's left of occupied Lebanese territories, hand us over the maps of the mines they planted during 22yrs of occupation, halt their daily breaching of Lebanese air and naval sovereignty, and problems would end.
Have fun guessing who is the terrorist
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Gee, I tought (and still do) that the Catholic Church was the New Israel, the People of God of the New Convenant, with no distinction between hebrews and gentiles, forming one people acquired by the Cross, a new chosen people, royal priesthood, holy nation..., for the membership of which the whole of the human family is called to.
"Moreover, Lebanon did not intend or try to annihilate Israel. Lebanon took military action against Israel in order to retrieve its citizens that Israel illegally detains in its prisons."
Ummm....why do you think Israel captured them as prisoners?? Lebanon was the aggressor and has allowed terrorists to operated freeling within its borders for years!
Prof. Antonio Basto: There is no distinction inside the Church, but some Judaizers promote the most irreligious idea that Jews can be saved without following Jesus and entering the Church.
JustTheFactsMaam: They have been captured after the Israeli invasion if 1982. They are not Palestinians who attacked Israel from Lebanon, they are Lebanese who defended their country from Israeli invasion.
A clarification on the Irish Book of Psalms:
The Book of Psalm found on the Irish Bog was open on Psalm 83 in the Latin Vulgate, which is Psalm 84 in most English versions. Psalm 83 in Latin has nothing to do with Israel.
Read the clarification by visiting http://www.claudemariottini.com/...-of-
psalms.html
Claude Mariottini
Hi all there,
If you are asking did God reject his people? Answer: God never did. Read Romans 11:8.
Sorry for typo, it should read Romans 11:2.
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