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Gravatar A lot of the explanatory letter is worth quoting. At the moment, this is what I appreciate most:

...in many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear. I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion. And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church.

I am hoping that the liberalization of the 1962 Liturgy will lead to greater faithfulness in the celebration of the Pauline Mass.


Gravatar Question --

If the Bl. John XXIII missal may not be used during the Triduum, doesn't that completely eliminate all of the (phony) media hype about the "anti-semitic" text for Good Friday?


Gravatar Kathy, I hope so too. But the exact opposite might happen: I can hear it now: folks who press pastors for correct celebration of the Pauline rite will be told something like "Since you're so hung-up on rules, why don't you just over to the old Latin Mass? They'd love you over there."


Gravatar Ouch, Dr. Peters. Hadn't thought of that...


Gravatar Either, it seems have some other folks who, shall we say, work in considerably higher circles than you or I inhabit, Kathy. How the m.p. can dismiss these and closely related fears as "unfounded" escapes me. Whatever might eventually prove to be the case, such fears are, I think, entirely well-founded right now.


Gravatar Brassband -
If you go to Zenit today and read the article precisely on this issue(www.zenit.org/english), it explains that the Blessed John XXIII Missal had already eliminated those texts. In fact, when the old txt was used at a Mass at which Pope John XXII was present, he stopped the liturgy and had the intercessions begun again from the beginning using the new test. The explanation is all there in the article. The anti-Semetic charge is a complete media induced nonsense. Pope Benedict, as intelligent as he is, knows as a German how vulnerable he is to such attacks, so there is a response - but I have seen it posted nowhere other than on Zenit. Thomas, perhaps you could link to it...


Gravatar Here's a cool video on the motu propio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?v=kMu- F4M1ojw

I wonder if the translation issues are going to pop again for this document as they did for Sacramentum Caritatis.


Gravatar Kathy, that section of the motu proprio is specifically referring to private Masses not being allowed during the Triduum. So, a pastor could allow the old liturgy during holy week to be celebrated publicly or "with people."
And, I might add that traditional communities with personal parishes (FSSP, ICKSP) and many diocesan indult parishes have been using the old liturgy of Good Friday (which is quite beautiful) for years now, and it has never been a problem.


Gravatar Me on the motu.


Gravatar Thomas,
I didn't know that YOU were the American Papist! I guess this is my first time visiting. Nice work.

I thought that Fr. Neuhaus' commentary on the MP was worth reading. I've got it linked on my blog.


Gravatar Yes, the Mass of Bl. John XXII has been and will continue to be read during the Holy Week liturgies. In a parish, there can only be one liturgy on Good Friday, for example, and if the Old Mass is not celebrated that often or is not so popular, then the New Mass liturgy will be celebrated.
There are distinct advantages to attending the extraordinary Holy Week liturgies. It is in Latin and the English translation read after the Latin is not distorted and banal like the current authorized translation for the New Mass. At the Mass of the Last Supper there are no women having their feet washed. Only priests and deacons may lector. On Good Friday, the liturgy has Greek in the Improperien, not just Latin. It is a beautiful and deep and "Were You There When They Crucified My Lord" just doesn't have the same depth. The Good Friday liturgy is long, but what else do you have to do on Good Friday that is as important?
The Blessing of Water and Fire are actually prayers of exorcism at the Easter Vigil. Also, there is only candlelight until the Gloria.
We would always attend the Easter Vigil and the Easter Sunday Mass. We didn't sleep much, but it made Easter all the more special. And my sons had fantastic altar serving experiences, since they served at both.




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