AmericanPapist Comments
Perhaps you have paraphrased too much - for right now it sounds like Msgr Pope and Will are a married couple! Zut alors!
ah, yes - amended.
Well this is a welcome sign. I myself have been leaning to the traditionalist movement myself lately. I'm actually hoping this development will spread.
Please read this article closely. It is not meant to portray the Church in a good light - in fact, just the opposite.
The writer Jay Tolsen, a Catholic, is promoting a "creative" traditional movement where there is no authority, no rules, etc.
In the article he cleverly deceives his unsuspecting readers into thinking that the desire of young adults is to return to tradition however, "creatively".
He also is attempting to put these self-made "traditional religious communities" on the same level as traditional Catholicism within the Church. A nun describes emerging traditional Catholic convents with sisters in tradtional habits and living with guys. This is deemed as a return to "creative" tradition. Odd?
Here's another article where the same Catholic writer promotes these "free" communities who want tradition but not the Church:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/n...-with-
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I read the article... the central piece wasn't the Latin Mass, that just makes great cover art. The author I don't believe is trying to undermine Papal Authority, but points to great insights within the post-modern culture, that yes, includes catholicism. Most non-authoritarian types he clearly labels as protestants... the only reference he makes to catholics 'rejecting' - and that's too strong a word - authohrity is the quote from a sociologist in referencing why so many young people are interested in joining stricter, older orders. To quote the article:
But while they are obedient, they are less submissive to authority and want to make more of their own decisions and be active professionally in outreach activities. It's a structured life, but it's a structure they are seeking and not simply submitting to authority.
Is that really rejecting the authority and magesterium of the church? In fact the author even quotes a liberal jesuit, but in light and context makes that guy look like an old fool in comparison to these young, hip, intellectual, folk who are interested in resurrecting various traditions and values and applying them to their post-modern world in what ironically is the pinnacle of what it means of being post-modern.
Woah, Deborah, you were right. I had read the whole passage and noticed the 'creative' stuff, but I didn't take notice of what was being implied. Traditionalism without the church? That would cause chaos.
The funny thing was I was thinking to myself, maybe I was wrong about the trend. I thought it was a return to the church and its old values originally, but the article made me doubt that. 0_o
"Traditionalism without the church? That would cause chaos."
It already has. Sedevacantists, orthopapists, schismatics, the variety is endless!
WAC
Wether or not the Vatican II was a heresy is a matter of great debate, if it wasn't, it certainly got the ball rolling. I'm no militant but the church really needs to get its act together.
Sedevacantists? WTF?
"Wether or not the Vatican II was a heresy is a matter of great debate..."
Oh, really? I must have the missed that in the papers.
Ed Peters, J.U.D.,
Right on.
GalloGlasses,
If you want a good laugh, google the term "Sedevacantism" or "Pius XII" (pius the thirteenth) and prepare to hold your sides.
WAC
Well that was interesting, i'm all for the Tridentine Mass myself, but I fail to see by what authority any Sedevacantism can have to elect a Pope for the Catholic Church.
And if anything, Papa Benedict is almost as far as you can get from a heretic.
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