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bad news indeed:
http://cclonline.org/index.php?
p...=liturgysample1
Not to mention the Dignity/USA link right above it. What is going on???
Anon you say what is up ? Well, they sure are open about their homosexual behavior! If you keep searching you will find out that on the particular Sunday October 7th was Dignitys "Solidarity" Sunday. Why was the Archbishop there on that sunday of all sundays? He had to know it was "Solidarity" Sunday! Solidarity in support of the homosexual lifestyle is what "Solidarity" Sunday is all about. Catholic lesbians you see posted. What about Dignitys link to "Defenders" they are into disgusting things "leather and spirituality." This parish promotes this sick stuff!Dignity also has a chapter that meets at Holy Family Cathedral in the Diocese of Orange,California Bishop Tod Browns diocese. We need to pray and fast. Some demons are only removed by prayer and fasting! While we are doing that it surely needs to be exposed. Too many of our children are at risk.
How sad! I looked at "Sample Liturgy #1" which appears to be a pathetic attempt of "scripting" a Catholic Mass (for lesbians).
“Preparing a liturgy has a lot to do with preparing a dinner party. “ Honestly? Where did these people receive their catechism?
"First gather a team of 2 to 6 women who mesh well together (apparently men are not allowed to take part?). Together choose a main theme. A liturgy flows better if built around one single theme developed through the use of symbols, songs, readings. Too many themes put people off balance, break the attention and give a feeling of dispersion rather than communion."
A main theme?! Ahh how about Christ and the Paschal Mystery!!!!!
No worries they explained what constitutes and "ideal liturgy":
"The ideal liturgy would be to have a complete filing system filled with readings, music, and all, classified under all imaginable themes for liturgies. So that at the flick of a finger, when, say, your group sets out to prepare a liturgy on the celebration of spring you can contribute anything from The Rite of Spring to Native American poetry."
??? Can anybody tell me what a “filling system” is and what it has to do with the Holy Mass?!
Where is Christ in all of this?! Their “Liturgy of the Word" does not even included any readings from the Christian Canon! A "liturgy" on the celebration of Spring?! This is clearly not a Christian Divine Liturgy but some sort of gross pagan ritual. For shame!
WHERE...IS...THE...POPE??????? We're drowning over here! Say something! Do something! YOU are the boss!
Okay, so the "auto-excommunication" myth has been debunked.
What about outright apostasy? This building is, unequivocally NOT a Catholic Church building.
OK, people, repeat after me: There are no Catholic lesbians. There are no Catholic lesbians.
For one very simple reason: Once you have proclaimed your Declaration of Lesbianism, you have departed the Catholic faith. You can always come back, of course, but you have to renounce your Declaration.
Same deal with the Buggery Boys.
Let's get some sense here, people.
So says Pope PMcGrath I. Unfortunately for those who find lesbians too horrific sinners to be in the same Church with, the canon law that the real Pope recognizes does not contain automatic excommunication for lesbians, active or otherwise.
My understanding of the Church's stance on homosexuality was that they could remain in communion so long as they did not engage in homosexual acts, ie sodomy or "gay marriage".
CCC 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
CCC 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
CCC 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
PMcGrath, you position seems to contradict the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which does not support the auto-excommunication of homosexual persons.
Note: Excommunication and not being fit to receive communion are two different things (though obviously an excommunicated person is unfit to receive communion). A homosexual who has sex or pretends to be married to someone of the same sex has committed a grave sin, and shouldn't approach the sacrament until he or she goes to confession, but is nevertheless definitely not excommunicated. He or she is still a Catholic in good canonical standing.
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