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Weird stuff in Philly already. Three GOP observers thrown out of as many polling places before 8:30 a.m. Person or persons calling themselves Black Panthers threatening voters at a fourth place. Just another day in the big city.
Blast what Bishop Finn said about voting for your eternal salvation...there's free Starbucks and free Krispy Kremes for every voter with no proof required!!
Voting in OKC has been packed, with waits ranging from 45 min to two hours. Very heavy.
I live in OKC and decided to vote by absentee. Much, much easier.
Gerard E., the fate of PA will be decided in the countryside.
easy win for Obama tonight. It is going to be an early night because the polls close in early in Virginia and Indiana and Obama will probably win those leading to a landslide and lots of I told you so by liberals including me.
Hopefully, some people won't be I-told-you-so-ing themselves to hell.
dave, I'll be weeping for the children tonight before any concern over McCain losing. What will you be happy about tonight?
dave,
Here's a scary thought for you: Catholics, and the state of Missouri, both of which usually choose the POTUS, are leaning toward McCain.
American Papist:
The Republicans have had the executive branch for 20 of the last 28 years and that has not stopped abortion. You and I both know that. So I will be happy if Obama wins because maybe the sick and hurting people in the u.s. may finally get some health care. Even if McCain would win abortion would continue just like it did with Bush Jr. and Daddy Bush and Reagan.
Dave, it took this country 80 years to eliminate slavery, though most presidents between Washington and Lincoln were opposed to slavery. It took another 100 years after the end of slavery for Civil rights, and 60 years after Plessy.
Why do you expect pro-lifers to be swifter and more successful than the civil rights movement?
Furthermore, why are you comfortable with years of hard-fought progress for the pro-life movement literally being peeled away?
Dave,
Actually, if McCain wins, it is quite possible that he will appoint a couple of conservative justices to the Supreme Court. The abortion limits initiative in South Dakota, if passed, will very likely find its way to the Supreme Court. Even one more conservative justice on the Court could lead to the upholding of the South Dakota initiative, and thus, the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Then, more states will move to ban abortion and pro-life legislators at all levels of government will be energized and emboldened.
Also, Obama said that on his first day in office he would sign the Freedom of Choice Act, abolishing all federal and state restrictions on abortions. Even if abortion is not illegalized, whether at the federal or state levels, by the end of McCain's term, I think they are more likely to continue to be reduced under his administration that under Obama's.
Obama's radical support for abortion is sufficient to disqualify him from receiving any Catholic's support.
Not to nit-pick, but unlike the Chosen One, The GOP has no delusions that it can wave a magic wand and fix the universe. As we are aware the Supreme court has declared itself the last word on abortion, and Justices stay a long time. Thus the Warren court and the appointments made by Clinton have been stalling this particular social development for years DESPITE Pro life policies enacted by socially conservative governmental officers and bodies for years. For example all the injunctions to leftist circuit courts the pro-abortion crowd gets the moment any pro-life policy is enacted.
And within 48 hours of assuming the presidency, Bush Jr banned funding of abortions overseas and has got many pro life policies enacted in the past 8 years, not the least of which was the partial birth abortion ban, which having been affirmed by SCOTUS is a fissure in the spurious claim that abortion is a fundamental and unassailable right.
The GOP hasn't been pandering on the abortion issue overall, some have, sure. But the lack of progress rests more on the Democratic opposition, especially via judicial activism, than on the GOP or any other conservative politicians.
polls close in early in Virginia and Indiana and Obama will probably win those
Don't break out the champagne just yet, early results from Indiana and Virginia show McCain is up (okay okay, so CNN (gag) also show him behind overall). Point is, we're in for a long night.
CNN = Communist News Network
What odds would you put on McCain winning right now Tom?
how does PA go to Obama with >1% reporting, but GA is still undecided where McCain is up 2:1? Can anyone say suppression??
got a ticket to McCain's victory speech?
Good to see you on the interwebs Paul! I wish I'd had a chance to get all freebies.
PA also had a "black panther" twirling a baton / night stick / club outside of a polling place in Philadelphia.
I don't believe they should call PA yet.
But the real point of my post is to call attention to media reports stating that roughly 50% of [as the media says] "white Catholics" voted for Obama. Can it be that not even half of Catholics find it vital to vote for a candidate that opposes abortion?
For those of you watching PA:
http://www.electionreturns.state...x?
ElectionID=28
I just looked at the website you linked to, Jake, and it shows Ralph Nader with 53000 votes. What?!?!?!?
OK - looks like it got corrected. Nader only has 1,720 now. ONly 4% reported thus far
NBC called Ohio for Obama.
Even Fox News is speaking about life under an Obama regime. There is no more talk about McCain. At least we know what America's moral temperature is. We deserve what we get.
Jindal/Palin 2012 FTW!
Uh oh, bad news.
South Dakota rejected its abortion ban, and Colorado rejected defining fertilization as the start of human life.
Ugh. Not good.
See I knew it would be an easy win for Obama!!!! Where is athling or whatever his screen name is because he said yesterday i would be crying and gnashing my teeth because Obama would lose but look he won!
Dave, according to the abortion industry's own numbers, a million more babies will be killed per year with the passage of FOCA than with the status quo.
Question. What will you say to those additional (at least) 4 million souls when you meet them at the judgement seat?
For that matter, what will you say to the souls that the government health plan decided had used up all the money available to them and were told to go home and die?
It's over. All Obama has to do is win California, Oregon, and Washington and he has 280 electoral votes. No one thinks McCain can come close to winning any of those 3 states.
Give McCain NC, VA, FL, and IN and he still doesn't get to 270.
Obama. El Presidente.
More like Che Presidente. Oh how our enemies will rejoice
odds on when the first terrorist attack will occur?
odds of surrender?
It's over - Fox has given him 297 as California closed the polls. May God have mercy.
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
A tip for the Dems -- in any story worth reading, the Good Guy never gloats.
We get what we deserve. Don't be fooled, we are a nation of sinners in a cesspool of immorality that we have made for ourselves. We have been asleep for too long. We have been gluttons and bathed in our own material wealth and selfishness for too long. It is time to pay the temporal punishments for that willingness to turn our backs on God. We deserve every once of persecution we receive.
The above discusses what "we" deserve, those who have had a chance to bask in sin during our lives. The worst part of this story is that we, collectively as a nation, have chosen to brutally murder millions more of our own unborn and born children. We have said "yes" to unrestricted mass slaughter. Many of our bishops have spoken out sounding very similar to the prophets of the Old Testament, yet their own flock still said "yes" to increasing the number of brutal murders committed on our children. They have said "yes" to the potential of a national push to reduce the meaning of marriage from a Sacrament instituted by Christ to nothing more than having sex with a special state license, they have said "yes" to a mandate for all health care providers to kill children regardless of religious objection, they have said "yes" to the expansion of the hate crime laws that will make it illegal to teach homilies on the sinfulness of homosexuality or refuse to allow the state to force gay propaganda on our children (the ones we don't kill).
Enough of my rant. Lord have mercy on us.
Lord have mercy on us and on our nation: we have sold our souls.
Hubris bred this.
Had Bush not screwed things up so badly, the GOP would have probably won.
The Bush regime ran this country into the ground, and is laughing all the way to the bank in Dubai.
Now we all have to suffer.
I only react with the 'sigh' of Peanuts characters. An utterly unqualified man, with areas of his past he does not want us to know, has won the presidency. Would feel worse except for the jockeying that begins now. Mr. President honor my cause- no Mr. President honor mine. Mr. President this is Speaker Pelosi act like a nice rubber stamp. Mr. President this is (fill in the blank on world troublemaker) here's what I plan. So much chaos and ego and threat that he won't have time to catch his breath. As for the babies- the pro-life movement works best when its backs are facing the wall. This time, we actually have our greatest religious leaders working with us in these matters. I sense something resembling persecution coming for the U.S. Church. Our Lord never promised a walk in the park. Sigh.
This is where we get to see if the bishops were serious in being true shepards of there flock and not let us be lead astray. I can not tell you how angry I am however I know a purging fire will help us to be strong ... Now it is 4 years of Lent.
Come on, anonymous, to blame this on the Bush administration is so terribly simplistic. Our country has been headed in this direction long before George Bush. There is ample blame to go around. Starting with our own Church who has been silent for way too long. Our sick and silly secularist culture that is looking for answers in all the wrong places. Our own lazy human nature that would like to have everything handed to us on a silver platter rather than make the sacrifices necessary for a truthful life. We need only to look in the mirror.
Anyone remember the moment in the second star wars trilogy when the Emperor takes the throne to applauds and Amidala responds "So this is how democracy dies, to thunderous applauds?"
I don't know about it being dead...but that moment from the movie has been running through my mind all day long.
Time to pray.
This is where we get to see if the bishops were serious in being true shepards of there flock and not let us be lead astray.
Aye. People always carp that, "Well, it's suspicious to talk about denying communion to wayward Catholic candidate in an election year." Well it's over now. Now what's your excuse?
Had Bush not screwed things up so badly, the GOP would have probably won.
It is certainly significant, but I can't help but think the $600,000,000 Obama paid out and a MSM totally in the gutter for him contributed as well.
... Now it is 4 years of Lent.
I was thinking about that this morning. I agree, but, will we do it? Will we really begin to change our lives now? I wonder.
When the economy miraculously begins to bear fruit, when world leaders who share a similar socialist view with Obama embrace him publicly, when things start to begin "looking up" for the U.S., how many of us will forget about the intrinsic evils that came with it?
When the economy that was artificially inflated by the Internet and the Y2K bug during the Clinton administration, how many people thought of the evil that was taking place behind the scenes?
It's going to take a great deal for us to separate ourselves from our comforts. I, for one, have never faced persecution. I can imagine what it will be like (or what it should be like), but that imagination is usually quickly overcome by vain thoughts and conversation. I'm not fooling myself. I think we are in peril.
Let's hope the bishops aren't thinking, "Oh well, the election is over. Let's go back to sleep". We will need their leadership more than ever, more than we did during the election. We will need them to remind us to do penance, to pray, to focus on the Kingdom of Heaven. Sts. Peter and Paul and all of the glorious Apostles, pray for our bishops and for our Church.
We're dead. Our country is finished. Anyone know of a good country of exile?
Madden: Obama's victory may be the death of many things, but I don't believe democracy is one of them. There is nothing inherent in the democratic process that promises or guarantees that good people are elected. Archbishop Caput made this point in his book. (If I had the book with me I would try to look up the quote.) Amen that it's time to pray.
Good morning comrades! Is glorious victory for American worker's paradise, da?
Seriously, we can only trust in our Lord's providence, make due with what we have, and stand up for what we believe in.
It just means we have more standing up to do.
I had a chance to sleep on this and I can say that this is truly 4 years of Lent. This is when we get serious about our faith and explaining it to others and praying with true conviction. I can admit that have not been the best at up holding my faith in the world, yet today I felt better about being Truly Catholic and expressing the truths of Holy Mother Church. As the 12 tribes of Israel had to go through the desert we will survive, I pray more for truly holy priests and bishop that will not be scared to express the true faith of the Church and her teachings. So ladies and gentlemen let us grab our weapons (rosaries) and pray with true conviction and be matyrs (I am not talking about dying, literally)for the truth in a world that doesn't want to hear it.
Amen, Dan!
I will start praying for a change of heart for Obama on the pro-life issue. Anyone care to join in?
Let us stay faithful, sober, and alert. We have much work to do. Educating our "own" in our faith is the key to getting through a viable Catholic agenda.
Things could get worse, but we still must persevere. I actually see this as great opportunity for the church to strengthen (confirm) it's positions.
"For if they do this when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?"
His supporters claim his policies will reduce the number of abortions. I don't believe it, but I certainly hope and pray they are right, regardless of what their real motivations may be.
Doc, I was hopeful about the polls. Looks like the 8% margin of uncomitted voters broke 50/50.
Oh well, 2012.
Michelle, I think that's a good idea. And maybe he will do some good things for people. We shall see, and meanwhile, we pray.
McCain has a 0% rating from NARAL. Palin walks the talk where pro-life is concerned. Many Catholic bishops spoke out. But... while the Evangelical vote still went to McCain-Palin, the Catholic vote went to Obama-Biden (about 55%, IIRC). What happened? What does it say about the state of US Catholics?
How about reading this again at this time:
"Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus."
I don't think we have the permission to lose hope or to stop. God is the God of hope.
Michelle, I am with you. It would be a miracle, but God is in the business of miracles.
So either God has other plans or we just aren't following his plans properly! I'm inclined to accept the latter.
And it will be interesting how this mark on history will be viewed in the future looking back: http://tinyurl.com/5c242a
I was so depressed when I saw the headline in our local paper, "CHANGE IS HERE' .....I am SOOOO BUMMED OUT. The blood of millions of unborn [and born] children will cry to heaven for vengeance. And the stupid 'catholics' in this country who voted for "Obamanation' have got ROCKS IN THEIR HEADS!
Joseph-your 11/04 rant also hit it on the head...and you said it better than I ever could!
May God have mercy on us, indeed....
Crazy Katherine over at Catholics for Obama is bragging that she already went to Communion today....this after someone said that you should not present yourself for Communion at the next Mass you attend if you voted for Obama.
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