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Next he will be linked to St. Paul being all things to all men. Obamas Pauline mission: He became a Catholic to convert the Catholic.
"I predict we can expect a well-organized media onslaught of Kmiec-clone arguments in the remaining weeks leading up to the election."
'I'm Catholic, staunchly anti-abortion, and support Obama' by Nicholas P. Cafardi, National Catholic Reporter, September 30, 2008.
Deeply disappointing.
Will the bishops speak out against Kmiec? He seems to have crossed the line from holding the most extreme interpretation of voting for Obama despite his evil abortion policies to flat out endorsing Obama because he believes his intrinsically evil policies will lower abortion. Even if it were somehow true, Catholicism 101 says you can't participate in an evil act even to bring about good.
I don't know if this is too nuanced an issue or too closely related to endorsing a candidate for bishops to speak out on, but it may be a good litmus test for how far along the Bishops with Spines project is coming. The other litmus test will be for a Bishop to actually discipline an unrepentant manifest grave sinner.
There isn't enough whiskey for any of that to make sense to me.
Millstone around the neck time...
Pray,fast and give alms. We need to storm heaven for the remainder of days till the election. Up your weapon of praying the rosary by praying more decades. Visit your local abortion provider and pray for his conversion.
See: www.40daysforlife.com
As for the supreme court, Obama will give us a Ginsberg; McCain a Souter, Obama a Breyer, McCain an O'Connor. Overturning Roe v. Wade in the next four years is highly unlikely.
Don't let your ire against Obama (justified to be sure) blind you to the major flaws in McCain (Palin will be sitting in the Dan Quayle back seat).
Prayer is really the only option for this country.
Thomas,
Kmiec already went "pro choice" when he supported the notorious liberal Mitt Romney for president. People will do anything to advance their careers...
Not meaning to single out this blog, but why the enormous amount of attention to this Kmiec guy on so many Catholic blogs? I honestly had never heard of him before a few months ago, and I still have never heard his name mentioned once outside of Catholic blogs and Catholic radio. If Catholic blogs and Catholic radio had just ignored him, would anyone even know who he was, or what presidential candidate he supported? (Maybe they would; I don't know, because maybe there is something that I'm missing here. It's an honest question, not necessarily meant to be rhetorical.)
This is a youtube that will shock you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...h?
v=TW9b0xr06qA
Not meaning to single out this blog, but why the enormous amount of attention to this Kmiec guy on so many Catholic blogs?
I had not heard of him either, but apparently he was reliable as a stauch anti-abortionist, and this recent support for Obama is regarded as a turning coat of Saruman-like proportions.
I'm always astounded at people claiming to be "Catholic" while justifying the killing of unborn children. Simply unfathomable until you realize that such "Catholics" have merely redefined the term to suit their own needs. Such tragic self-delusion souls may some day realize the errors of their ways.
Regards from Canada.
Tony
Bill Haley:
The choice is either Obama or McCain. No one here is deluded into thinking that McCain is the perfect candidate, but he IS much better than Obama in every way.
So your comment is irrelevant, if not disingenuous.
All the Catholics that I know personally are supporting Obama for president. The polls, especially Rasmussen, seem to be indicating Obama is going to win easily.
Paul H: Kmiec has a direct line to Catholics through his PAC and grassroots involvement. These posts are not only for regular AmP readers, but for google searchers and reporters as well.
Hey Kmiec, if you really believe Obama is pro-life, I've got a great deal for you on the Brooklyn Bridge.
Seriously, if Obama wants to reassure pro-lifers why doesn't he say publically that he will NOT push abortion as a fundamental human right and declare he has no abortion litmus test more the Supreme Court. Sadly, he won't.
A very good Holy Spirit inspired read that can be applied to this,Thomas, would be:2 Corinthians chapter 6, especially verse 14...what do you think of this? also, since you were signing petitions, CNA, Catholic News Agency, has one to look at,also linked at the end of New Advent.org's list.It is concerning the St.Michael prayer. I was thinking also of google/youtube boycott and other groups when I read the Bible verse above.
Tony,
As some Lutherans I know keep pointing out, Luther considered himself a Catholic until he died.
Of course I point out that
A) one more thing he was wrong about
B) after he died, this was pointed out to him.
C) I'm aware of nothing that stops me from praying for him.
dave...you donot know any Catholics if what you say is true.You can not be a follower of Jesus Christ and support a party that is clearly a party of death....their platform and voting record clearly says they do not love or value life and truth.Murder is never right.Lord have mercy on any one who claims to be a Catholic,Christian,Muslim,Jew and any life loving person, and they still vote for Obama.
OK, let's say I buy Kmiec's spiel that Obama will work to reduce abortions. Why does Obama want to reduce abortions? I'd really like to see him asked that question publicly?
When did he say that Obama is pro-life? He said that a Catholic can be pro-life and support Obama. He said that he believes Obama's administration will do more for the cause of life than McCain's. These are not the same (at all!) as saying that Obama is pro-life, so I believe you have set up a straw man to argue against, and hopefully done so accidentally.
Do not harness[yoke] yourselves in an uneven team with unbelievers. Virtue is no companion for crime.Light and darkness have nothing in common.Christ is not the ally of Beliar, nor has a believer anything to share with an unbeliever.The temple of God has no common ground with idols, and that is what we are-the temple of the living God.We have God's word for it:I will make my home among them and live with them; I will be their God and they shall be my people.Then come away from them and keep aloof, says the Lord.Touch nothing that is unclean, and I will welcome you and be your Father, and you shall be my sons and daughters,says the Almighty Lord.With promises like these made to us, dear brothers, let us wash off all that can soil either body or spirit, to reach perfection of holiness in the fear of God.
Here's an excerpt from a statement from Bishop Martino of Scranton. It's to be read in all the churches in his diocese. The second to last line is classic:
"Another argument goes like this: “As wrong as abortion is, I don't think it is the only relevant ‘life’ issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote.” This reasoning is sound only if other issues carry the same moral weight as abortion does, such as in the case of euthanasia and destruction of embryos for research purposes. Health care, education, economic security, immigration, and taxes are very important concerns. Neglect of any one of them has dire consequences as the recent financial crisis demonstrates. However, the solutions to problems in these areas do not usually involve a rejection of the sanctity of human life in the way that abortion does. Being “right” on taxes, education, health care, immigration, and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life. Consider this: the finest health and education systems, the fairest immigration laws, and the soundest economy do nothing for the child who never sees the light of day. It is a tragic irony that “pro-choice” candidates have come to support homicide – the gravest injustice a society can tolerate – in the name of “social justice.”
Kmiec surely took more than a moment's reflection to support Obama. In fact, he took years.
Thomas -- can you elaborate on what you mean by this ("he took years")? Kmiec was part of the Romney campaign and flipped to Obama shortly after Romney left the race.
Paul: Kmiec deserves attention insofar as he has become one of the top "Catholic poster boys for Obama" -- spearheading the effort (along with the Democrat front under the guise of the 'Matthew25 Network') to persuade Catholics to vote for him and crafting the (admittedly intellectually weak) rationale to do so.
Note: Due credit should go to Jay Anderson of Pro Ecclesia, who has been offering his critique of Kmiec since February 2008.
That's it in order to attract the anarchists to the Republican ticket, I'm going to start a new website: "Pro McCain, Pro Flag burning." I mean, McCain is for free speech. He hardly ever votes for supressing one's right to free speech. He probably even has attorneys in his camp who have defended people on the grounds of freedom of speech. And since flag burning is really a central issue for the cause of freedom of speech, McCain, by extension, is clearly in favor flag burning. Yeah. That's the ticket.
Repent and be saved, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
Whether these are the end-times or not, may God have mercy on us all.
haven't heard much from Katherine the nazi turkey have we?
I will be voting for Chuck Baldwin, the only authentic pro-life candidate. McCain can't win and it is important for pro-life voices to be heard in advance of the impending Obama landslide!
dave:
Don't believe the polls. They oversample Democrats so that Obama comes out ahead.
David L:
Baldwin can't win. You are throwing away your vote and will ultimately help elect Obama.
Wolfie Kmiec is getting very comfortable wearing that sheep's suit.
"Not meaning to single out this blog, but why the enormous amount of attention to this Kmiec guy on so many Catholic blogs?"
Because as often happens when a campaign like McCain's is in meltdown, the partisans turn in on themselves. The response to Kathleen Parker's column about Palin in the National Review is another example. Her conservative critics didn't just disagree with her, but called her every name but child of God -- even threats of violence.
Professor Kmiec has been proclaimed as earning "perhaps eternal damnation" by conservative Catholic commentator Tom Roeser.
The conservative movement (particularly the conservative Catholic community) has turned to the burning of its heretics and abandoned any productive efforts for the conversion of the unevangelized.
Well, you made your bed, lie in it.
Katerine, I am unaware that "the conservative movement (particularly the conservative Catholic community) has turned to the burning of its heretics..." Could you point me to a source on that?
In the meantime, I might observe that the liberal movement (including the liberal Catholic community) has turned to the killing of its babies. And I do have sources on that, if you need them.
"Because as often happens when a campaign like McCain's is in meltdown, the partisans turn in on themselves … The conservative movement (particularly the conservative Catholic community) has turned to the burning of its heretics and abandoned any productive efforts for the conversion of the unevangelized."
Fascinating. And how would you describe or characterize your own activity here, K? Why have you invested yourself in writing triumphalist comments on conservative blogs?
I hope your analysis on this point is as creative and as charitable as your critique of conservatives.
I had not heard of conservative threats of violence against Parker (whose column I cited positively over at JA.o). I have heard of actual acts of violence from Obama supporters against McCain-Palin supporters.
On a comparatively minor note, my father's car was vandalized in response to his McCain-Palin bumper sticker (and since the vandals pasted it over with an Obama bumper sticker, I think the political dynamic is pretty clear).
There is a very good article in this week's (Oct 2) Catholic Standard, the paper of the Archdiocese of Washington titled: "Reducing Abortions by Promoting Abortions?" It is about the so-called Freedom of Choice Act that BHO has promised will be his first act of office if elected.
Harkening back to my Thomistic studies, I guess Kmiec is greater than God because Kmiec can resolve a contradiction, whereas the Almighty cannot. A person who claims to be Catholic cannot support Obama. End of discussion. Tom
Katherine the Apostate blathering her lies again...
Guys I cannot morally support McCain. Obama will be elected in spite of ourselves and this is clearly the case in my home state of Illinois. Thus Baldwin will get my vote. Pax Christi!
This election is really a no-brainer for true Catholics.
McCain, for all his flaws, will most likely appoint justices to the Supreme Court who will vote pro-life. Though McCain is not perfect on the life issue, he's worlds better than Obama who opposed a ban on partial-birth abortion, opposed a bill that would preclude abortionists from letting victims of botched abortions die on a side table, and famously referred to babies as "punishments."
If we fail in this election to defeat Obama (and THAT is more important than electing McCain, who I admit, is not the ideal candidate), then we will be dealing the cause of LIFE a severe blow.
Every Catholic needs to see this video:
Catholics will decide this election
Please God, do not let the innocent babies suffer for the sins and shortsightedness of the rest of us!
Oh, and don't forget this one which published in America magazine earlier this week:
Why Catholic Pro Lifers will vote for Obama
This from a member of the women's ordination crowd.
As I wrote on Fr. Z's blog, this is looking all too much like a scene out of Father Elijah.
As Catholics, we have an absolute duty to fight this sort of outright misrepresentation wherever and whenever we can.
Surrender is not an option.
David L:
A vote for Baldwin is a vote for Obama. Do the math.
McCain pulling out of Michigan
John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.
McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.
McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain's past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.
McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.
But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.
A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled.
Ignore the troll.
Obama's overseas (foreign) contributors are making multiple small donations, ostensibly in their own names, over a period of a few days, some under maximum donation allowances, but others are aggregating in excess of the maximums when all added up. The countries and major cities from which contributions have been received France, Virgin Islands, Planegg, Vienna, Hague, Madrid, London, AE, IR, Geneva,Tokyo, Bangkok, Turin, Paris, Munich, Madrid, Roma, Zurich, Netherlands, Moscow, Ireland, Milan, Singapore, Bejing, Switzerland, Toronto, Vancouver, La Creche, Pak Chong, Dublin, Panama, Krabi, Berlin, Geneva, Buenos Aires, Prague, Nagoya, Budapest, Barcelona, Sweden, Taipei, Hong Kong, Rio de Janeiro, Sydney, Zurich, Ragusa, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Uganda, Mumbia, Nagoya, Tunis, Zacatecas, St, Croix, Mississauga, Laval, Nadi, Behchoko, Ragusa, DUBIA, Lima, Copenhagen, Quaama, Jeddah, Kabul, Cairo, Nassau(not the county on Long Island,lol), Luxembourg (Auchi's stomping grounds), etc,etc,etc,
Half a million dollars had been donated from overseas by unidentified people "not employed".
Digging deeper, all sorts of very bizarre activity jumped at us. Dr and JJ continued to break it down and pull data from various sources. We found Rebecca Kurth contributed $3,137.38 to the Obama Campaign in 112 donations, including 34 separate donations recorded in one day,
How about this gibberish donor on the 30th of April in 2008.
A donor named Hbkjb, jkbkj
City: Jkbjnj Works for: Kuman Bank (doesn't exist)
Occupation: Balanon Jalalan Amount: $1,077.23
or the donor Doodad, The # of transactions = 1,044
The $ contributed = $10,780.00
This Doodad character works for FDGFDGF and occupation is DFGFDG
The more questions we answered the more questions we discovered.
Thousands of Obama's foreign donations ended in cents. The "cents" did not make sense. And we compared McCain donation documentss to Obama's. McCain's records are nothing like Obama's. McCain's are so clean. No cents, all even dollar amounts. But Obama's contained thousands of strange, odd amounts -- evidence of foreign contributors, since Americans living overseas would almost uniformly be able to contribute dollars. Still no media.
http://www.americanthinker.com/
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No friends. A vote for Baldwin is a vote for a better America. Forget about the math; search your heart!
David L:
Show me that Baldwin has a chance of winning. He doesn't.
You can vote your "heart" all you like, but it's still throwing away your vote.
Unlike religion, an element of pragmatism must exist in politics - and choosing a candidate who has a snowball's chance in hell of winning is unrealistic and juvenile.
But you go ahead and throw away your vote. Fortunately, most Americans don't live on a high horse and have to deal with real day to day issues, and can' luxuriate in your precious "heart" vote.
correction: can't luxuriate.
Katherine "But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.
A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled."
But Katherine, my neighborhood and town is just full of McCalin signs as well as Pray to End Abortion signs. We live in the Catholic Ghetto.
He'll be back.
Katherine:
No comment on Obama's illegal funding?
Or do you find cheating acceptable?
So, Ed Peter, SDG, etc, offer concrete responses to K's comment, and all she can offer in response is a copy/paste of an article? Lame.
Kathrine needs to face reality: Obama has said that the 'culture wars' are so nineties. He wants this debate about abortion to be over, and not in the way the Church does.
"He'll be back."
let me know when it happens.
came upon this web site by accident.
12 years of catholic school. my kids,
8 years of catholic school. active in my parish. wow!!! you people see the world a lot different than me.
Katherine said: "Well, you made your bed, lie in it."
If you haven't been to her blog. It's a real eye opener into Katherine.
There's no end to the wackos that Katherine supports. These are the lunatics Katherine just loves, starting with Doug Kmiec, Martin Sheen, Michael Steele.... And any other nitwit politician or heretic Catholic she can drum up.
Our favorite quote from Martin Sheen is, "I'm one of those cliff-hanging Catholics. I don't believe in God, but I do believe that Mary was his mother." -Martin Sheen
She hates, Archbishop Burke, Archbishop Chaput, Bill Donohue, and Bishop Gracida, Randall Terry, etc., etc. You get the picture.
Did I leave out anyone Katherine?
atheling said...."No comment on Obama's illegal funding?
"Or do you find cheating acceptable?"
I promise you she finds it acceptable.
Ed Peters said: "In the meantime...to the killing of its babies. And I do have sources on that, if you need them.
I promise. She doesn't want them. She firmly believes that Obama is going to lower the abortion rate.
And nothing can move her from that position.
Does that make sense to you or me? No, but it does to her. Marxism seems to have that effect on people.
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