AmericanPapist Comments
Hey Thomas,
He has not been married in the Catholic Church has he? To the eyes of the Church he is not married. Perhaps I am wrong.
I have been thinking he was for the longest of time.
German,
Yes, you are wrong. You don't have to be married in the Catholic Church for the Church to consider it a valid marriage. His divorces, on the other hand, might cause a problem with the Church's view of his particular marital status.
If he's not Catholic, wouldn't the Church assume his first marriage is valid unless found otherwise by a tribunal? Non-Catholics aren't bound by the discipline to have a Bishop's permission to marry.
According to the article his last marriage wasn't in a Catholic Church. If his wife is an active Catholic, as Thomas said, then maybe she got a dispensation to get married by a protestant minister - in which case his marital situation would have been resolved somehow.
I've been hearing the President Bush rumors most strongly since the Pope's visit to DC in April. Even before that there was some speculation. Part of it derived from his sister-in-law's (Jeb's wife) visit to Guadalupe in 2004 to pray for the election outcomes, followed by the Supreme Court's decision regarding the election on December 12 (OLG's feast day). But I think the current rumors are much stronger.
Newt's wife? Was his first or second marriage annulled?
I pray for the president's conversion daily. He would make a fine Catholic. Come home George!
God bless him.
If his wife is an "active Catholic" presumably Newt's eligibility for marriage was settled ... when they got married.
I have heard rumours about President Bush converting once he steps down in part due to the Papal visit and in part because Tony Blair converted last December after he stepped down as PM. However Mr Blair's wife and children were (I believe) already Catholic, like Mr Gingrich's wife, so I am more ready to believe he will convert than President Bush.
But stranger things have happened.
The rumors about President Bush's conversion have been going around for some time. The catholic (yes, small "c") would go nuts. If this happens, I guess that it'll be one of the few permissible cases of schadenfreude!!!!
Well, there ARE 10 parishes within 20 miles of Crawford, according to Mass Times.
Question: Why would he wait until he was out of office, though? It's not like Britain, where it would be a huge mark against him.....
First Tony Blair becomes Catholic. Now, Newt Gingrich and George Bush are to become Catholic!
Oh my...
For some liberals, this may prove once and for all that the Catholic Church really is the Whore of Babylon :)
I heard Gingrich on TV a week before the election. When he was talking about the sensibilities of people who are religious, he said something like "That doesn't matter to people who go to Mass on Sunday ... or church." In other words, "Mass" was the first word on his mind when he meant to make a more generic religious reference. I heard that and wondered if he was thinking about the Catholic Church, or already attending Mass. I didn't know his wife was Catholic, but it makes sense.
I've been hearing rumors about George Bush becoming Catholic for several years now. I hope they're true!
Bush's daughters also made the pilgrimage to Compostela. A lot was said about this being just typical rich girl vacation stuff, but then they ended up doing some really worthy stuff post-college. (Better than I did.) Maybe I should have made a pilgrimage somewhere.
I suspect that if Bush is thinking to convert, he would wait until he can really grapple with it. There's not much time to think deeply about the meaning of existence with the whole presidency on your plate. An ex-president can study, etc.
Bush's approval rating is so low that his conversion to Catholicism might just be a Masonic plot to send another trojan horse in to weaken Mother Church.
Conversion is good for the soul if one is truly sincere. Although hypocrisy will always apply on a case by case basis.
Many at this site use the word liberal in a disparaging/sarcastic way! Not very christian, eh ...
take care, blessings
Newt's wife sings in the choir at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in DC. He is often at Sunday noon Mass when the choir sings.
Hadn't heard about Newt, but I know the Anchoress has been hoping W would for ages now.
I think he'd make a good Catholic.
Yes, and I reported on it -- check the URL, I got some good quotes.
I don't know about the possible conversions etc... but I am reminded, having followed the link to Commonweal, why I don't read there anymore. Mrs Stiefels ought to be ashamed of herself, really.
Mass....Where all the cool kids are going....
Shiloh,
Go back to Catholics for Obama...that is where you usually post.
You don't have to be married in the Catholic Church for the Church to consider it a valid marriage.
You do if you're Catholic, if by "in the Catholic Church" you mean "in front of a witness delegated by the Church." So yes, two Protestants can be married in front of a JP and it would be a valid marriage, assuming there were no impediments and the bride and groom had the intention. A Catholic who does not get married by a priest or deacon or who does not have a dispensation to be married in front of another witness does not contract a valid marriage. Hope this helps.
"Many at this site use the word liberal in a disparaging/sarcastic way! Not very christian, eh ..."
You're right. Liberal is NOT very Christian. Liberals are liars and traitors. Is that disparaging enough for you?
In the Catholic church, a valid marriage occurs between two people free to marry, with two witnesses, in front of a duly ordained Christian minister. If any of these points are violated, the person seeking a new marriage may have grounds for an annulment.
While his current wife is an "active Catholic" we should not forget that she was sleeping with Mr. Gingrich while he was married to wife number 2.
First Tony Blair becomes Catholic. Now, Newt Gingrich and George Bush are to become Catholic!
Oh my...
For some liberals, this may prove once and for all that the Catholic Church really is the Whore of Babylon :)
I would welcome all of them, but particularly a good socialist like Tony Blair.
I wonder if Fr McCloskey has anything to do with Bush's conversion (http://www.catholicity.com/mccloskey/bio.html). No, just kidding. Either way, it would be wonderful is Bush "Came Home to Rome" as Dr Hahn would say. Peace everyone!
Newt Gengrich? What rock was he found under. I hadn't heard that name in 10 years!!
Katherine: What a faithless comment to mock the Church. But then again you're not really a member are you?
I must say that it is interesting that you claim to know the type of men a whore wants to associate with.
For those who love the Church and reject the pro-baby murder cult hero Obama:
Gingrich had his previous marriages annuled. He was married in a private Catholic ceremony in August of 2003. [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&
ie=UTF-8&rls=HPIB,HPIB:2006-34,HPIB:en&
q=gingrich+marriage]
He came to talk at CUA one time.
"Many at this site use the word liberal in a disparaging/sarcastic way! Not very christian, eh ..."
You're right. Liberal is NOT very Christian. Liberals are liars and traitors. Is that disparaging enough for you?
Chainsaw | 11.21.08 - 2:23 pm | #
hmm, Although hypocrisy will always apply on a case by case basis.
Yea, only browsed this so-called Christian site briefly Chainsaw, but thanx for confirming this is just another common garden variety hypocritical religious right conservative site.
Enjoy your (8) years in the wilderness !!! No Reagan's on the horizon to lead you fools back to the promised land, eh.
take care, blessings
ciao
shiloh -
Because all fair folks know you can judge a web site by picking the comment you most dislike and firing up the strawmanomatic.....
shiloh -
Because all fair folks know you can judge a web site by picking the comment you most dislike and firing up the strawmanomatic.....
Foxfier | Homepage | 11.22.08 - 1:35 am | #
True, but actually said post was not the one I disliked the most by a long shot, it was one of two that were responding to my post.
That said, I found Liberals are liars and traitors. Is that disparaging enough for you? more amusing than disparaging, especially after (11) mos. of Obama is a Muslim, islamofascist, socialist, marxist, terrorist, satan, the devil incarnate, communist, baby killer etc. etc. ie various and sundry ad nauseum nonsense.
In a country where 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslim and 52% of McCain Evangelical voters believe Obama is or was Muslim, all things are possible! ;)
As I've said many times, its amazing our Republic has survived as long as it has, more damn luck than by divine intervention! :)
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter! or political poster on the internet ;)
take care, blessings
p.s. the internet basically is a totally impersonal form of communication where misinformation has a free voice to run rampant. It's just highlighted more at political sites and thru bogus emails, etc.
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes ~ Mark Twain
Shiloh,
After all the pro-Obama comments you have posted on Katherine's website for the past months, who are you to tell anyone that they are not acting in a Christian manner? You can be VERY insulting to people who don't agree with you and then, invariably, you close with "take care, blessing." I have witnessed it over and over again. Please stop.
I meant to quote.."take care, blessings."
Kathy-
is that kind of like the "charity" folks, whose first response when they're losing is to say "that's not very charitable!"?
BTW, Shiloh- Obama was registered as a Muslim when he went to the Catholic school in Indonesia, and both of his fathers (birth and step) were Muslim.
Darn stupid evangelicals, eh?
I'm usually not a fan of any politician becoming Catholic. Politicians' lives are usually full of all kinds of slippery morals and compromises that are incompatible with Catholicism. Has Tony Blair changed his stance on abortion, even after converting? No... this sends the message that all of that pro-life stuff is just optional for believers.
That said, I suppose I should be happy whenever someone converts. I just pray that the conversions are true. So yay, if they are converting. I hope their decisions are informed ones.
Kathy, please explain how a pro-Obama comment is not acting in a Christian manner? and predicting your response will mention the abortion issue, I will just say no one is in favor of abortion, but the majority of Americans are in favor of a woman's right to choose. This is the reality as the evangelical/christian right continues to shrink w/younger voters trending progressive.
Abortion seems to be the main issue of discussion at every religious site/blog, and as such, heated debate ensues ...
Also, 67 million voters voted for Obama and when you take into consideration all the variables, he's young, inexperienced and bi-racial in a country which still has major racial problems, the future of the rep party ie evangelical christian right minority, does not look bright.
I consider myself smug and sarcastic at times, not insulting and all of this attitude at Katherine's blog is directed at one passive/aggressive, low self-esteem, not too bright poster, who shall remain nameless. ;) Suffice it to say, he's a name-calling baiting troll who's in wayyy over his head and as such I find it amusing to yank his chain on occassion. All in good fun!
He also once made (22) posts in a row in one thread, so you could say he's compulsive also. :)
At RCP there is/was a smug republican/conservative poster who uses blessings at the end of all of his posts as a means of baiting, so I started using it when I was responding to smug republicans and just kept on using it. It is used as sarcasm, not in relation to religion.
That RCP poster only discussed financial issues and never mentioned religion ...
TMI
take care, ciao
Darn stupid evangelicals, eh?
Foxfier | Homepage | 11.22.08 - 11:55 am | #
No, just misinformed!
ciao
I would say your candidate, Obama, is definitely IN FAVOR of abortion. Why else would he tell Planned Parenthood that the first thing he wanted to do as president is sign FOCA into law. If he is NOT pro-abortion why remove ALL restrictions on the practice?? I would say supporting someone like him is not acting in a Christian manner.
So I guess being smug and sarcastic is being Christian? Oh, I see, as long as it is "all in good fun." Shiloh, you are always much harder on others than you are on yourself.
"Because all fair folks knowyou can judge a web site by picking the comment you most dislike and firing up the strawmanomatic..."
He sure went out of his way to prove Foxfier right.
Kathy, I disagree w/your premise, as do, I suspect, (67) million Obama voters. btw, the most votes for any u.s. president in history.
And after browsing this site for only a few days and noticing the many republican/conservative sarcastic and smug posts that appear in most every thread, I will leave the majority rep/con posters here to their own devices, ie agreeing w/each other 24/7.
As I stated previously, enjoy the wilderness for the next (8) er (16) etc. years ...
ciao
The number 67 million does not mean it was the right way to vote nor the best candidate. Might makes right, eh?
I guess you don't want to post on a blog where you don't have Katherine backing up everything you have to say. She agrees with everything you post. AND all of you gang up on that person you spoke of before....not that he can't speak for himself.
No one here called you smug and sarcastic...that is how you identified yourself. Have fun over at Catholics for Obama where just about everyone agreees 24/7.
"I would say your candidate, Obama..."
The campaign is over. He is not my candidate. He is the President Elect of our nation, the world's greatest democracy.
Barf.
OK Kathy, just for you, one more post at AP. Re: 67 million, was just stating a fact. As w/most presidential elections it comes down to the lesser of (2) evils, I despised John Kerry, but voted for him 'cause my other choice was Bush. My vote for Obama was the first time I voted for pres smilin' :)
It would be an interesting poll each election to see how many on each side was not voting for a candidate, but against a candidate, while holding their nose! I digress.
lol the name of Katherine's blog is Catholics for Obama hence, therefore, ergo why would someone who is not for Obama want to post there other than to 1) make a fool of himself, like the passive/aggressive troll I described in a previous post or 2) cause trouble at said site because they are bored out of their minds posting at a site where everyone agrees 24/7 like this site. I basically continued to post at Katherine's blog because of the compulsive troll. As I already stated, I found him amusing and enjoyed yanking his chain. If one would tally up my posts at C for O they would find most of my posts were either in reply to the troll or personal anecdotes.
btw, I've commented at political sites since by first year on the net, 1994. Sites where there are dems and reps who disagree and sites where mostly dems disagree. As a rule, I don't frequent totally rep sites, in my case, what would be the point! This year alone I've posted at RCP, Politico, daily kos, huffington and a few other political sites and blogs, all of which I am registered, I never post anonymously, again what would be the point other than to cause trouble. Although, just about everyone on the net is anonymous, as I mentioned previously, totally impersonal.
I said many threads here have posts that contain sarcasm and smugness and you also can remain here where Christian conservatives ?!? mostly agree w/each other 24/7.
Have a nice life!
p.s. I'm shiloh at kos and RCP, shiloh24 at Politico and stokely at Huffington ... and trolls of course, are everwhere and being a liberal myself, many here at this totally conservative site probably consider me a troll, so it's time to say goodbye!
ciao
Barf.
kathy
You call it barf. I call it America.
Yes, and we know how truthful you are, Katherine.
I will just say no one is in favor of abortion, but the majority of Americans are in favor of a woman's right to choose
...to kill their children.
Please, do complete the sentence.
OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA
He is ineligible to be inaugurated as president of the USA.
The popularity contest over he past year and a half was quaint. But it's over. Biden will be sworn in.
yeah, right to the above comment.
Shiloh and katherine-
If you're going to post here, why don't you stick to the subject (instead of using it as a premise for attacking/preaching to those you know will disagree with you)? Come with a substantive comment on the subject at hand.
Otherwise, 'taci'.
'Ciao, davvero'
I've heard the rumor of GW Bush a few years ago, I was pretty convinced at the time... and Gov. Jeb Bush is devoutly Catholic, taking a pilgrimage to the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe before '04 election.
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