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So much for 'democracy', 'freedom of speech', 'religious tolerence' and all the goody two shoe, new age crap modern day secularists are trying to propose. Good Lord, i'm actually imagining if they did do something to the Holy Father if he continued his visit, half of Italy would rise up in arms!
Knowing the media, they WILL spin this around to make it not look so bad or some shit like that. Papa's words re being proven right now due to this ignorent nonsense.
I wanna see a transcript of the speech if I can find it, and see how Bennedict is 'telling them whats right and wrong' by just opening the frigging place.
And I was hoping this level of 'heads-up-their-rears' would be limited to the internet. Lets hope like the age of 'Enlightenment' this secularism dies down.
I can only think, this cancellation was a mistake. I'm far away, etc., but I think this was a big mistake.
It certainly could have been an amazing opportunity to directly and forcefully combat this virulent strain of modern anti-catholicism.
I am interested to see what would happen if the Pope stood up to the threats and appeared anyway. But that would mean putting His Holiness in danger. And the if he showed up and nothing happened the press would most likely make another snide mark about the Pope and his veiws on science.
Or alternatively he could be egged, attacked or God Save us, something worse. The press of course would have a feild day, and cause massive sympathy. Bloody politics.
The Pope will be releasing the text of the 'missed speech'.
Andrea Frova, the physics prof who instigated the protests, may have been trying to draw attention to his 2006 book "Thus Spoke Galileo"?
http://www.catholicnewsagency.co...new.php?
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A link to a perspective by one of Frova's colleagues, prof. Giorgio Israel.
He contends that the protests are a result of fear. Fear of a dialogue between Faith and Reason.
The more I think and read about this, the more convinced I am it was a mistake to cancel. Man, does it ever send every wrong signal.
So much for free speech!
I agree Ed. What I'd really like to know is if Papa really wanted to stick it out but all his aides said no... we may never know that.
Good question. This has managers written on it, come to think about it.
Perhaps he is not political?
He won't go where he's not wanted, or try to 'show up' anybody. He's too humble for that. Since the text of his speech will be available to those who wanted to hear him, I suppose nobody really loses out (on the speech). The event likely would have been a chaotic mess, in other words, a bit of a scandal, and I'm sure he didn't want to provide a venue for bad behavior. Sounds sound to me. He's being pastoral.
How is it that a few hundred students accomplished what thousands of turkish muslims could not?
Perhaps the difference between a public domain and a private one?
It was absolutely the right thing to cancel. The whole media circus would simply have fed the radicals' agenda. As it turns out, the "winners " are now being defensive and saying it was not their intent to censor the Pope at all; they merely thought inauguration of the school year was the wrong occasion. Surely we will now expect the protesters to initiate a new invite for a more appropriate occasion, say, at graudation, when the students are a wee bit more mature? Interesting how Regensberg has come full circle; now it's the secularists' turn to be outraged. It sure was one powerful lecture.
I notice my comment was removed. I am a born and baptised papist like all of my own family for generations not to mention all those Irish who were put down as papist dogs.
So what is all this about "freedom of speech" as above?
Only nice Catholics need comment?
I've removed no comments. I will remove comments from people aren't being "nice", however. Catholic or otherwise. :)
Patrick, don't be concerned about the comment removal that happens sometimes, (has happened to me), with no fault of AP.
Come to think of it I might be the only papist left in my Irish family. D:
This is not to say my family ain't Catholic.
once again we witness how the media managed to disinform and create confusion! The "protesters" were the vast vast minority of the university, which is one of the largest in Europe, the academic staff which wrote the letter against Popes were 63 out of 4000!!! Also I believe that who looses from all of this are the thousands of students which eagerly awaited the pope for months, there was also a special website created for the event http://ilpapaallasapienza.wordpress.com/
The media managed to turn this minor despicable protest in a well staged security threat, of course it is also the university's fault who didn't manage to control the idiotic action of a small group of spoiled kids!
But the real question is where is the catholic media? why nobody speaks the truth?
It wasn't the 'kids' who got it going, it was the physics 'prof' Andrea Frova.
Hello again,
sorry for jumping to the conclusion that my comment was removed.
I have also changed the title of my blog.
Please notice that the "cardboard protester" is making the devils' sign as do most of the worlds movers and shakers such as Bush, Ahmadinejad, Sarkozy, the Clintons and many more including Benedict XVI. What exactly is Joseph Ratzingers' role in the New World Order? The Catholic "New Order" facilitated the progress of the New World Order. Go figure.
Yesterday I suggested that this protest is a false flag operation as was B XVI's visit to the German University. It helps to fool the Catholics and make Benedict look good. It is all choreographed just like the Presidential election which will lead further to the eventual enslavement of all Americans.
Go learn about the Masonic Republic.
The same people are in charge of the Catholic Church. This October they will be 50 years in control.
Not your average Catholic? Average Catholics are responsible for the state of the world. My generation in particular.
Conspiracy theories, lmao. I'm family with this illuminati bullshit. (Wouldn't be surprised if it were true), and actually, Bennedict is playing a dangerous game recently. If what you say is true, then Bennedict is in trouble... cause he's actually going back on alot of what VII was.
Actually allowing the latin mass, 'shock', 'horror', 'outrage'
Which funnily enough is something his encyclals are provoking alot. So if Papa was involved in this thing, he's REALLY going against the tide. Go Ratzinger.
yes 67 physics "prof" out of 4000.....
Friends,
I'm from Italy; I currently work in UK, but I got my PhD in Physics from that La Sapienza University department on the spotlight now. I felt so bad, when the events you mention took place, that I can't simply express it in words. Pope had to cancel the visit not because there would have been danger for himself. His visit would have likely required heavy police measures to avoid turmoils. Atmosphere 2 days before the visit was already mephitic: professors held their stance, students (?) kept vocally protesting in any vulgar way. But both agreed on this: they didn't say "we dissent from your opinions". They said "We don't want you to speak here". Students planned to sing loud music when the Pope would be speaking inside the main building.
Pope Benedict, wisely, decided to call off the visit because that atmosphere wasn't exactly able to lead to any good dialog, avoid any turmoil that may have had to some injuries, and save my country already poor reputation.
How did we come to this, you may wonder. Well, it's not easy to explain. Relationships between the Holy See and Italy, between Catholics and non-Catholics has been always rather delicate. In my opinion, in the recent year Italian politics has proved to be weak. Therefore, you often watch State TV networks broadcastings from St. Peter's square... it would look like "filling a void", but the presence of the Church in TV broadcasts is deemed to be "excessive" by non-believers. Often the Church has spoken up against issues on abortion, euthanasia, gay and not-married unions... this has been seen as "obstructiveness" of the Vatican in Italian internal affairs, as the Pope dictated what Italian Parliaments member should do or shouldn't do. To worse matters, many politicians pretend to follow Church's teaching, just to earn some votes. So you see divorced and remarried politicians that show deference to Catholic Church. All these factors, taken together, enrages many of those do not want to live as Catholics, and think that the Vatican, and not the our Parliament, rules Italy. Anti-catholic feelings are growing in Italy, odd it may sound, till they blow up... as they did a few days ago.
I could go on adding that many professors were, in the past, sympathizers of the former Italian communist party, which was the strongest in any Wester country, but it would make the story too long.
In this scenario, I feel so bad mostly because world-wide known professors (La Sapienza is one of the best Italian Universities, many great Italian scientist studied there), with many of whom I studied with joy, appealed the provost to cancel Pope's visit, among other reasons, because in 1990 Raztinger "had said that the 17th century Church's trial against Galileo was reasonable and just. These words offend us as scientists bla bla bla...". Well, guess what? Cardinal Ratzinger never said this! During a long speech at a meeting on modern epistemology, he just quoted a few peo
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