AmericanPapist Comments
I'm pretty sure that being anti-Catholic is not the last "acceptable prejudice."
For example, you might read your own post on feministing that weirdly warps women's rights into women being forced to gestate and give birth.
Since this will never happen to you, butt out!
I think the link to your father's post is a bad one - it leads to gmail.
As an aside, Rocco is reporting a press conference in Lansing to suceed Bishop Mengeling.
http://whispersintheloggia.blogs...or-
lansing.html
BigMomma: Thanks for making Thomas' point in the other post.
paul zummo - yes, blogger is taking forever to catch up.
j.d.aquila - yes, that post is also being held in limbo by blogger.
bigmomma - while I will never be pregnant, I was in my mother's womb. And based on that experience, I want other human beings to get the same chance that I did, and you did.
that weirdly warps women's rights into women being forced to gestate and give birth.
kinda like weirdly warping the right to own a gun into forcing someone into jail for killing someone in a bank robbery with one.
By the way, I clicked on the link "[Read what can be done]". It looks like plenty, but is there something on the personal level (like contacting someone) to get the ball rolling?
Well for starters, there's two angles here: the public argument side of Joe's article that needs to be blown to smithereens on the printed/blog/radio field, and the personal side of seeking his conversion.
Because especially with the Left where they claim to be openminded and claim to be sophisticated "thinkers" one swiftly discovers that what passes for logic and reasoning is alot of emoting and magical thinking. So winning an argument may result in losing his soul.
We need to pray for him. We need to find out who's close to him, the circles he travels in, and strategize to put good thoughts in his head or at least in his face so that overtime he'll begin to think for the first time in his life rather than emote.
Like "hmmm. a woman can make a child become "really" a blob of tissue by willing it to be so...but a man can't will that child to be a blog of tissue if the mother wants a baby... hmmm contradiction here..."
or "it's OK for a woman to kill a completely innocent child out of convenience but bad for a government to waterboard a totally guilty terrorist because we owe even our enemies dignity and respect...hmmm contradiction here..."
In the end however we shouldn't be surprised - after all, the White slave owner and the Nazi jailor both could look evidently human adults in the face - with whom they've just had a perfectly intelligible conversation and conclude "not human". Such is the power of the human will to reject sanity.
John, I agree entirely about praying for him and winning the soul rather than the argument. I was thinking more of how to ensure it doesn't just blow away in the winds of indifference.
BigMomma,
So whites shouldn't have opposed slavery? After all, they weren't black, so what right did all those big, bad, white soldiers have to tell blacks they should be free?
The pro-aborts always make it about gender. My female relatives were protesting at a rally some time back, and a guy came up and told them that "You, and You, and You, you'll never have childen." I think he was confusing them with one of his pro-abort friends...
re: Bigmomma,
I second AmericanPapist. That child is a human being. I, like him, will never be pregnant, but I grew within the womb of a woman who was.
As were you.
And as a human being, I know that all human beings deserve the protection of law from those that would take their lives, whoever they are. That, like the rights all who are born take for granted (though perhaps they should not, given the cultural climate these days), they come from the recognition that we are children of God, made in his image and likeness.
me...a child in the womb...and you.
We were all there at one point or other.
Well, the bishops are right, and Feuerhard is wrong. Abortion trumps all the other issues he talks about because:
1) Abortion is a greater evil than any of the evils he professes to be against, including the war.
2) The Church's teaching is that it is the duty of the State to provide all persons with equal protection of the laws against homicide, and "it is strictly unjust to refuse it." The Church does not teach that the refusal of the State to implement the other policies that Feuerhard lists is "strictly unjust" or even unjust at all.
3) Even though the term "pro-life" is not a term of art in Catholic morals, and lacks any technical definition, it's safe to say that Feuerhard is simply NOT "pro-life," as he claims, because he clearly does not evaluate abortion and the "legality" of abortion in the way that Catholic moral teaching requires.
First of all, taking Feuerherd's closing line as this heavy, weighy curse of the episcopate is a little extreme. I don't approve of rude language, but as a retired steelworker, I would have to say the vast majority of the members of my craft are in trouble as well as the entire maritime trade.
Second, Fr. Joe, I would hope you might reflect more deeply on your post above. You claim "Abortion trumps all the other issues he talks about." It does not. No evil trumps another evil. I'm not saying your thinking is not sensible. Your practical thinking would certainly not see any merit in Someone who leaves 99 sheep for one lost sheep. But for me, I would have to stand with this Shepherd. Our Christian faiths calls us to stand against all injustice. Its a tough calling, I will admit. Too tough for some.
Is BigMomma, from moveon.org?
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