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It seems to me that he has previously barred her from Communion since he has privately warned her several times. This time it is a public announcement that she should not present herself for Communion.
It does not seem to me that he has gone so far as to have priests and EMHC's deny her Communion, but this could be a next step if she still presents herself for Communion.
Hey Jeff,
Maybe you should create a "spine of osmium" award for Pope Benedict! :-)
Rocco's term, "communion wars", perpetuates a serious misunderstanding about what's going on here.
Great. Now if only he and other bishops had been just quick and effective when it came to sexually abusive priests.
What a stupid bishop. The governor's support of abortion rights and her legislative action have done nothing to procure abortions. Abortion is already legal in this country because of Roe v. Wade. None of the governor's words or deeds will change that.
Her veto of the abortion reform bill was pretty dumb. In any case, the veto itself does not procure or support abortions. The Supreme Court took care of that years ago.
Does anyone need rude "Anna's" comments parsed? Anyone?
I thought not. You have apparently actually read (even highlights) of bill vetoed by the governor (who serves in the executive branch, NOT the legisaltive brach of state government) so you have an advantage over Anna who obviously has not.
I was assured by a poster or two on here not all that long ago that Archbishop Naumann and the other Kansas bishops lacked backbone. Huh.
I've stated this before, but that Sebelius is governor demonstrates how woefully inept the Kansas GOP is at the moment. After the pro-life issue, they have absolutely nothing to hang their hat on. Nothing. So all Sebelius has to do is make sure taxes don't rise, and she'll win the Democrats in the state and the pro-choice Republicans. Bush won the state with 62% in 2004, and Sebelius trounced the GOP candidate (I can't even remember his name now) for re-election only two years later. It's seriously going to take someone like Brownback or Moran to come back from Washington to reclaim the governorship. I'm rather ambivalent about a Brownback return, but I personally prefer that Moran and his quality character stays in Washington. Neither would have to come home if Kansas GOP leadership would simply think of a good idea or two, but no one should hold their breath on that.
Anna, there's a lot to like (and dislike) about Abp. Naumann of my home Archdiocese. But the short answer of it is that being a Catholic doesn't stop after doing your hour in the pew on Sunday.
I'm sorry you think he's stupid. But I bet he prays for people like you anyway.
Anna,
What a disrespectful woman you are.
Better to be thought foolish, than speak and remove all doubt.
Katie Rebellious has constantly opposed ANY laws regarding abortion, and she has been supported by the 'donations' of the abortion industry in her political career. THAT'S why she vetoed the bill. She stood in the way of a law which would encourage the protection of innocent human beings. Thus she isn't in union with the Church. Yet she has received Communion, which is a PUBLIC act proclaiming one's union with the Body of Christ. THAT'S why the Bishop has barred her from Communion.
I'd like to know if this bishop has ever hidden a pedaphile priest or moved him from one parish to another to "hide" him.
dave, I am not aware of any such accusation, but let us say that he did in fact do such a thing. What does that prove? All it does is lead to that sophomoric charge of hypocrisy -- the accusation loved by moral midgets everywhere. The argument seems to be that only the perfect are allowed to exercise any judgments regarding moral behavior, which is just plain stupid and tiresome. The instruction of morals is entrusted to Bishops without regard to their inevitable moral imperfections.
Is this the tactic we can expect with bishops who request pro-choice politicians to refrain from receiving Communion? Raising the idea that the bishop in question hides pedophiles? I find it to be a lame tactic to try and discredit them whenever they do something somebody doesn't like. It's unfortunate that the new bishops (Naumann has only served as the ordinary of KCK for three years) will continue to pay for the sins of *some* of their predecessors.
As for the question, I don't know if it was with Naumann or Keleher--I think it was while Keleher was on duty--but I do know of one priest for the archdiocese who had allegations brought against him and he was immediately suspended from the ministry. He plead guilty to charges and served or is currently serving time in Lansing. So keep fishing.
Indeed! I know of two cases in Arch. KCK. The most recent, to which Nathan refers, hit particularly close to home. That priest was a friend of mine whom I looked up to very much, he was chaplain of my high school, an associate pastor of my childhood parish, and later on campus where I went to college. His crime was committed ten years (or so) ago; news trickled out slowly over the years. He's out of Lansing now, he's laicized and works on his family farm in his rural hometown. Archbishop Keleher handled the case swiftly and with grace.
I know of another case, from maybe 20 years ago now. It was another young priest, a chaplain of a new high school. As I know the story, he actually committed no crime, but admitted his attractions and sought guidance. Then Archbishop Ignatius Strecker had laicized. I never heard what happened to him after that; he was a family friend and a wiseacre who told me the funniest Easter joke that I know. Until then, he'd be invited over to family gatherings and parties, my folks and their friends usually made sure he was on everyone's guest list.
Jake & dave, I understand your frustration and anger. As Catholics, we have certainly earned that frustration and anger through a generation of Bishops who sinned by omission and comission. But don't drag innocent people into a battle where they don't belong.
WhollyRoamin, was that not a horrible case? I'm not certain what role the guy had in recruiting my brother into the priesthood, but my brother played basketball with him on the Runnin' Revs. I've met the former priest after one of the games, and he was a really good guy. I know my parents and brother were shocked when they heard the news, and since my parents are originally from near where he lives, they know a lot of people who refuse to believe he was actually guilty. Just a sad situation.
Wasn't he a chaplain at KU for awhile? If that is the school you went to, though I didn't attend there, I grew up and remain a Jayhawk. Great to be national champs, isn't it? :)
Hi Nathan-- for a time while he was the vocations director for the Archdiocese, he was assigned to the Catholic center at the University, but he was not the Chaplain. At that time, the Chaplain was Msgr. Krische, now at St. Ann's in Prairie Village.
Did your brother enter seminary? Is he a priest in the Archdiocese? Is he in the Kansas City area?
I was also reluctant to believe it was true, but he pled guilty and never denied it. There was some question about whether it was a mutual relationship-- but if you ask me, that doesn't really matter.
My brother is with Wichita. He played with the Runnin' Revs while he was at Conception, though. It's my understanding that Msgr. Krische was absolutely beloved at St. Lawrence.
The bishop is acting pretty dumb. The governor vetoed the bill not because she is a rabid, pro-abortion feminist.
She vetoed the bill because it would have allowed family members to obtain a court order barring a woman from seeking an abortion.
This law would have been struck down by the Supreme Court anyways. Abortion is legal, and its legality will not be changed by the governor's words and actions.
She is not procuring abortions.
If "acting pretty dumb" means "upholding Catholic doctrine and the sanctitiy of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ", I agree.
Jake:
And the Constitution requires Sebelius to take tens of thousands of dollars in contributions from Tiller the Killer--the foremost practitioner of Birth-Canal Brain Suctioning?
I guess Jake's not a Catholic so he can spout out nonsense like that. Please return to Moveon.org, your spiritual home. Tom
Robert Novak has a pretty good summary of Sebelius' numerous points of error here.
Like many members of her party, her claim to be a POTAB ("Personally Opposed To Abortion, But . . .") is phony.
Seems that Gov. Sebelius never met an abortion that she wouldn't support.
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