AmericanPapist Comments
Yes! All of the Catholics I know are supporting Obama.
Why?
dave knows no Catholics. But he is overjoyed at the prospect of more and more slaughter of innocents. More dismembering. More scalding with saline solutions. More skull crushing.
If a Jimmy Carter could provide what was finally necessary to launch the Reagan Revolution, think of what an Obama presidency could inspire by 2012.
I know the polls show Obama leading, but I have to question these results when they show only a 2 point deficit among military households when I've heard of other polls showing McCain favored by a 2 to 1 margin among the military.
Don't believe all the polls. They oversample Democrats by double digits in some.
Strange. I've been polled by Zogby for over 4 years now, often on a weekly basis, and consistently state that I generally vote Republican and that I am a Catholic.
For the past month, I have not gotten a poll from Zogby. He is still polling, apparently, but why has he stopped sending me his polls lately?
There is an AP poll showing a tie. None of these matter. You need to look at it state by state. Florida and Ohio are both in McCain's column. It is Virginia and Colorado we have to watch. These are dead-heat states. If he wins both, he will be president. He may yet win New Hampshire and possibly (remote) Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Pennsylvania.
So don't doom and gloom yet. I suggest a NOVENA starting Sunday!
and VOTE!
Atheling, you don't fit his new landslide criteria!
FH,
I'll pray that Obama will lose, but I feel a bit uncomfortable praying that McCain will win. I'm compelled to vote for the man to keep Obama out, but he's not exactly the saintly Catholic. I'll pray that God stays the persecution for at least a few years until we can regroup and really make an effort to put forth a truly pro-life pro-Christian candidate next time.
Ultimately, whatever happens to us we deserve.
I don't pray that McCain will win, rather that God will help this country select the best leader to do His will.
Maybe its just me, but weren't the margin of errors in the polls shown with the findings during the last general election?
I seem to recall some thing like "Kerry leads Bush 42% to 38% (+/- 6%), which in reality could be either a lead, a lose or a tie.
I heard today that, in 2004, Kerry was up 10% in some polls 16 days prior to the election.
"Never give up...it ain't over till it's over."--Lawrence Peter Berra, great American philosopher and honorary Doctor of Letters.
Don't give up. Remember to vote no matter what the polls says or whether you live in a swing state or not. Also, if you can consider campaigning. Phone banking can shifted polls by as much as 6%.
So call you friends and convince them to vote for McCain, join a local campaign even in a non-swing state. Here is Mass. we campaign in NH.
Pray the Rosary. Do a good novenna Oct 27 through election day. Spread the word. Remember, this is the month of Our Lady of Victory.
http://www.fathercorapi.com/
BTW, fh in Houston, what polls are you looking at that have FL and OH in McCain's column? I'd like to see the data, too. McCain needs CO, MO, OH, VA, NC, NH, and FL, all of which are up for grabs or fairly solidly in Obama's column by what I see. And if not NH, then NV. I'd love to see another view of it.
The evil mainstream media (big-time abortion supporters) are spewing a lot of nonsensical polls to depress Republican turnout. Interestingly, today the AP shows the race tied and the Investor's Business Daily shows a 3 point race. Don't buy the koolaid these idiots are peddling. They always OVERSTATE Demoncratic strength. Tom
Oh, come on! the MSM are objective journalists!
(Reaches for crowbar to pry toungue out of cheek).
bill912, I even cancelled the Wall Street Journal today. Although the editorial pages are fine, the "news" portion of the paper isn't qualitatively different than the New York Slimes. I want news, not DNC propoganda. Tom
For Florida:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com..._obama-
418.html
For Ohio:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com..._obama-
400.html
It is important to look at the date of the of poll and not the average. Also, look who is running the poll to see it is properly weighted. I know you will say these are within the margins of error, but historically, a Repub will poll 2-5% less than where they actually are. Therefore, I see this as wins for McCain in these two states.
Of the states you listed, the only trouble spots are CO VA and NH.
Bill912
I knew I would get an outrageous response out of someone and you did not disappoint. Thanks buddy. Just to let you know though you are not God and you are not the judge wether anybody is Catholic or not. The people that I know in my parish who are voting for Obama are baptised and believe in Jesus. So by the teaching of the Catholic Church on the nature of the sacraments they are Catholic. Sorry Bill912 it is not up to you who is Catholic and who isn't.
To be Catholic is to be in Union with the Pope and the Magisterium. Anything less is Christian, but not Catholic.
"So by the teaching of the Catholic Church on the nature of the sacraments they are Catholic."
Yes, they are Catholic. They are also dead wrong.
Thanks, FH. I hope you're right about doing 2-3% better than the polls. Because RCP doesn't exactly have OH and FL in McCain's column. Nor do only CO, VA and NH look like trouble spots. I've been looking at RCP data (Yahoo puts it together in one place, but not the component polls.)
...Dr. Peters, I'm already thinking about 2012. I hope I can stop thinking about it in a couple of weeks, because 4 years of thinking about it will be very draining.
dave, if they denied the real presence, another important doctrine, would they still be Catholic? Tom
No prob. Let's watch how it all pans out. Remember a 47-45% poll in VA does not account for 8% of the voters. That is a huge margin! If someone is undecided at this point, I don't think they are having doubts about McCain . . .
OK, everyone validly baptized is in some sense in union with the Church and also in some sense separated from the Church. None of us is perfectly in union with the Church until Heaven. Our separation is caused by sin, ignorance, and willful dissent from doctrine. That's why we go to Confession and all that, to constantly refine and perfect our incorporation into the Body of Christ.
However, the abortion issue, as our bishops have said, is about science, not religion. Given that the science shows that human life begins at conception--and no scientific evidence suggests otherwise--it is unconscionable that any human being of any sort could abide abortion. Natural Law dictates that someone like Obama should be closed off from civilized people and not their leader.
Doctrinally, the Catholic understanding of the origin of human life is underscored by essential dogmas such as the Incarnation and the Immaculate Conception as well as a rich and clear and consistent theological heritage. In supporting someone who supports abortion, you tacitly deny or at least question the Incarnation and the Immaculate Conception and set yourself at odds with some of the greatest and holiest minds in history.
So to say that Obama is worthily supported by Catholics... well... to keep it charitable, they might technically be Catholic. But it's difficult to argue that they're very Catholic.
"The people that I know in my parish who are voting for Obama are baptized and believe in Jesus. So by the teaching of the Catholic Church on the nature of the sacraments they are Catholic."
Your callousness toward the most innocent among us is exceeded only by your ignorance.
dave, they are not just "Catholics", they are crappy Catholics.
fh:
I think you're correct about Zogby!
Right. We're voting for Obama.
Bill912: You are why I hate the internet.
All you Obama Catholics, check it out: He's got a double digit lead, in a couple polls. Stay home. Obama will win this in a landslide. He doesn't need you. Either that, or vote on the 5th, which is a special voting day for democrats.
;-)
"I don't pray that McCain will win, rather that God will help this country select the best leader to do His will."
-fh in Houston
We've been praying for God's will this election. Not much more we can pray for than that. My wife and I already voted (PRO LIFE!!!) by mail in FL.
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