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I don't know how I feel about this...
I know how I feel about it - a little disgusted. For all that McCain is - the lesser of two evils, in my opinion - it's slimy and a little condescending to think that sending out prayer cards will somehow make him the darling of Hispanic Catholics.
Wow, that is really poor taste.
Why is it bad?
Repulsive.
Atheling,
It implies (at least to me) that McCain has some relationship (that he acknowledges) with Our Lady. McCain seeks to defend the unborn, and we can all admire that. But, that does not necessarily mean he merits a photo-op with Our Lady.
It would have been more appropriate to picture Our Lady with an unborn in the womb, and then state that McCain seeks to defend the unborn. It would have been really appropriate (and uplifting) to see Bobby Jindal pictured with Our Lady.
McCain _may_ be used by God to rescue the unborn, and that's greater than great, but can any of us say with a straight face that McCain prays the Rosary?
Why is it bad? Because when you take the Gospel and involve politicians, you end up becoming just another special interest group. You lose the transcendental nature that is the Sacrament of God on Earth. That's why the Church lectures us on the morality of the issues that we vote upon, but will not tell us who to vote for.
Look at it this way:
McCain, or his campaign, has asked 25,000 people to pray for him.
Plus, this prayer, read back to him after he is elected, will be a powerful incentive to adjust his views on Embryonic Stem Cell Research to the Pro-Life.
"I don't know how I feel about this"
I do, it's called pandering to Hispanics just as he did to women with the pick of Sarah Palin. McCain cares nothing about the Church.
Someone should tell the Republicans that wedge issues aren't going to work this time.
"wedge issues aren't going to work this time."
Yup, all those dead babies can't stop ya from voting for Obama. Obama, the man who promised to undo all the democratic enacted restictions on abortion. So much for wanting abortion to be 'rare'.
A vote for Obama is confirming him in his support for evil, and encouraging the continuation of the wholesale SLAUGHTER of MILLIONS of human beings, the most defenseless among us! This man wants the "so ninties" culture wars and abortion debate to be over, and not in the right way.
If he is elected, it will be a national disgrace, telling of our apathy towards our unborn brothers and sisters.
What's the definition of a wedge issue?
I guess Cindy McCain shouldn't have been photographed at Mother Teresa's orphanage where she adopted a baby from there.
I have no clue of John McCain prays the Rosary, but he does carry an Immaculate Heart Medal with him, and I know he prays. I bet he prayed like heck when he spent 5 years at the Hanoi Hilton.
But then, you guys know better, right?
Kyle thinks all thos pesky unborn babies are a wedge issue.
They get in the way of his agenda of "progress", you know.
He's campaigning with holy cards, and you ask what's wrong?? Heaven help us all.
Thom:
I guess after seeing:
1. Radio jocks calling for the death of Joe the Plumber;
2. Obama telling his followers to "get in their faces", meaning McCain supporters;
3. ACORN voter fraud registration in the thousands;
4. Sarah Palin being called a "pig" with lipstick;
5. Big Media calling for Sarah Palin to provide DNA evidence that Trig is hers;
6. Ex football players making videos of bodyslamming Sarah Palin;
7. Trig Palin being put on auction on ebay as a "campaign prop";
8. Cartoonists drawing themselves punching Sarah Palin in the face;
9. Big Media speculating that Trig Palin is really a child of incest between Todd Palin and his oldest daughter;
10. Being called "racist" every time anyone says he won't vote for Obama etc...
I'm a little bit desensitized to campaign shenanigans.
But you folks can be indignant over it.
I haven't seen a ounce of indignation over the way Obama has run his campaign.
Hypocrites.
BTW, Thom,
I've visited your pathetic blog.
You have no shame.
Thank you, atheling. And you're right- I have no reason for shame. Because I have found peace and even joy in this life in Christ through his church.
Have you seen Kyle's? Way to lead others to sin, bro.
The weird thing is I've seen Ath actually make intelligent and good-mannered statements. But it's a Jeckyll and Hyde situation. Jeckyll for the conservatives, Hyde for the liberals.
And she trots out the POW card anytime you have a criticism of John McCain - even when being a POW has nothing to do with slapping your face on a prayer card and sending it to Hispanic voters.
The politicization of prayer is wrong - whether it's for the pro-life candidate, or anyone else. While McCain's card masquerades as a genuine prayer ad maiorem dei gloriam, and indeed I would credit McCain with such genuine sentiments as that, its context strongly recommends - no, it insists on - political motivations.
Prayer is not for winning voters.
Is it wrong to pray for him to do God's will?
I see nothing wrong with it, and I have shown this to other Catholic friends who see nothing wrong with his asking for our prayers.
You people are hard hearted Pharisees.
BTW, I didn't know that you had to be Catholic to have a relationship with Our Lady. I know lots of non Catholics who pray the rosary.
I guess that's offensive to some of you.
Let me say one more thing, dear atheling.
Everything I say, I put my name to it.
Whether I encounter you in cyberspace, on the street, at Mass, or I pray in Heaven, I can stand behind what I say, without the need of a cyber moniker.
Pax.
Anything about your man, Thom?
The One? The list I provided? Any comment on that?
I suppose your silence means consent.
Oops, I forgot, Thom.
You're a disciple of Fr. Pfleger.
Sid:
So are you saying that we cannot pray to win votes for our candidates?
Who the heck died and made you God?
Oh, that's right, your intellectual arrogance did. When you live in a narcissistic echo chamber, it must be hard to think otherwise.
As one of the many Hispanic Catholics in the US I find disgusting how McCain is using Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe. He is not going to win even with the help of Nuestra Morenita!!!!!!!!! And that is really something.
By the way, I am voting for Barack Obama.
carlos:
I know you are. You are one of the people here who have said some nasty things about Sarah Palin, so I'm not surprised.
You, along with the other Pharisees here, have shown nothing but hatred and contempt for Sarah Palin, and it is a reflection of your own misogynistic attitudes.
Be prepared for disappointment. Your "Messiah" is going to lose. And lose big.
HAH. An Obama win is safer than the stock market, Ath. So find your local bookie quick and place a bet.
I was curious enough to visit Kyle's blog after the last time he dropped, "wedge issues" to see he was posting on.
FROM KYLE'S BLOG:
"Like at Fixed News, at AmP there is no room for opposing views or healthy discourse. The readership at AmP is as drunk off the conservative Kool-Aid as the audiences of Bill-o The Clown and comedian Sean Hannity. Though don’t get me wrong, like Faux News, I pray AmP sticks around for my own personal entertainment. Arguing with the bone headed faithful at AmP is as enjoyable to me as watching McCain spokesperson, Nancy Pfotenhauer, try to explain the duties of the Vice President."
Good work Mr. Peters allowing him to still post. Even though rumor has it that, "at AmP there is no room for opposing views or healthy discourse."
In Jesus through Mary,
Madden
By Guillermo Bustamante on November 3, 2008 7:37 PM
Mr. Miller:
Today that you focus the non-elected Legislative-formerly Judicial, I congratulate you for moving people to ask the intercession of St. Martin of Porres (today’s feast), most fittingly, because he represents the two ethnic bloods mix (Hispanic + Black), who are TARGETED by the racist PP ads + abortion chambers-mills locations for the current genocide in USA.
The point currently is: we must enlist the help of our angels & saints, to counter the arguing that the USCCB has to walk a “fine line, not to tell (sic) voters”, to avoid voting for the Infanticide Candidate.
Wrong.
Here, precisely, is proper to tell not to vote for whom blatantly are crushing the Constitutional rights of defenseless human beings (FOCA), as the U.S. Supreme Court.
And compare indeed! The greater with the lesser evils:
1) The Infanticide Candidate’s abortion VOTING RECORD and commitment to FOCA.
2) The McCain pro-life VOTING RECORD and public platform.
This election brings us to base: How Will History Judge Catholics?
Will start with the USCCB history, and will follow distinguishing responsibilities.
This means the angelic sword of flames, dismissing the lay lukewarm. The magnitude of the genocide is so flabbergasting that there is no way to disguise or down play this historic responsibility.
Regards
On the topic of OLG & the cards. I thought I heard of these a week ago and it wasn't his campaign doing it but another group. I might be wrong, and even then I still don't know it's it's good or decent...but I recall hearing that.
I wouldn't say the cards are fine, but I've invoked the blessed virgin a time or two asking for someone, anyone, to defeat Obama and his baby killing policies.
For the Obamatons' edification:
(BTW, this is the 3rd leak of this kind from the Obama campaign)
Ok, I want to clear my conscious a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow clinton supporters out.
I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over.
I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC.
The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.
We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”
We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.
We did this the whole primary and it worked.
Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.
This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.
Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support.
People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”
Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending.
We have also had quite a hand in skewing many many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make real clear politics look scarey to a mccain supporter. Its worked, alough the goal was to appear 13-15 points ahead.
see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become “sheeple”
The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. Thats due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple.
Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied, Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust, there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill Oreilly he has become much more diplomatic and “fair and balanced” and soft. Its because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him a long and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft.
This is why nothing sticks.
The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results.
There is no true inauguration draft or true grant park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up.
Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral. We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key republican end
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Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral. We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key republican endorsements to make it seem even more like it was over and the world was coming to an end for you all.
There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm.
The truth is here. I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
I am saying this because I know HRC was better for the country, and now realize this. I was too late by the time I connected to her. To me Barack was just a cool young dude that seemed like a star. I didn’t know him or his policies, but now I understand more than I care to and I realize his interests are more for him, and the DNC and all working like puppets with dean. I always thought a president wanted the better good for the country. The end result I see is everyone dependent on the government, this means more and more people voting for the DNC. This means the future is forever altered. I don’t see this as america, so I am now supporting John Mccain.
Sarah Palin is a huge threat, and our campaign has feared her like you can’t imagine. If it seems unfair how she has been treated, well its because she has had a team working round the clock to make her look like a fool.
this is a big conspiracy and I am so shocked that its not realized.
We released a little blurb the other day that the Obama campaign was already working on reelection and now putting our efforts towards 2012. This was to make it seem like it was above us to continue caring about 2008. Trust me, its a lie. David is very smart, but its a sticky ugly not very truthful kind of intelligence.
Its not over yet, but I think the machine is working. And its a hill to climb.
I will be quitting my post on nov 5th and my vote will be for John Mccain. Fortunately, my position has been a marketing position and I don’t feel I had any part of anything I would feel guilty for. But I look forward to getting out of this as the negativity and environment upsets me.
I wish you all well, and goodluck.
PS my name is not really sarah. but I am a female and I understand your plight.
Don't believe the polls.
FROM KYLE'S BLOG:
"Like at Fixed News, at AmP there is no room for opposing views or healthy discourse. The readership at AmP is as drunk off the conservative Kool-Aid as the audiences of Bill-o The Clown and comedian Sean Hannity. Though don’t get me wrong, like Faux News, I pray AmP sticks around for my own personal entertainment. Arguing with the bone headed faithful at AmP is as enjoyable to me as watching McCain spokesperson, Nancy Pfotenhauer, try to explain the duties of the Vice President."
Yikes. I guess Kyle wins the "Most Hate-Filled Catholic Blogger" Award.
I win the 'most hatefilled catholic" award and you morons are calling people like me and Thom 'fake catholics'? Give me a break, you sheep. Take off the GOP sunglasses and think critically. And yes, I stand by what I say on my blog. Sure, 'Mr. Peters' still allows me to comment on his site - just as I would him if he visited my site. Doing otherwise would prove his fascism. I'm talking about you people calling us 'fake catholics'.
You keep calling us sheep like it's a bad thing. And once you stop following the Shepherd, you're no longer Catholic. I can't understand why this concept is difficult for people to understand.
Here is a link to this guy who has been predicting the elections for 45 years and has never been wrong.
He predicts a McCain/Palin landslide of 310 - 228.
http://www.marstonchronicles.inf...d=95&
Itemid=119
Kyle:
You forgot your meds, honey.
"Give me a break, you sheep."
Flattery will get you no where.
For those who support Obama: What will Obama do that will promote the ending of abortion? If you cannot answer that well, you shouldn't vote for him.
Yes, Ath, an unmarked, untraceable, unsigned letter is certainly rock-solid evidence that legitimate and professional pollsters are completely wrong.
"legitimate and professional"? Those pollsters are experiencing an 80% non response in their calls.
Wow, not only are you narcissistic, but you are naive as well. Bad combo. Get ready for a landslide, your "messiah" is going down the tubes tomorrow.
BTW, Sid, were you born yesterday?
You see, I have been paying attention to the polls for 2000 and 2004.
They were all wrong then, and they are grossly wrong now.
Take a gander at Mr. Marston's analysis... and weep.
Man alive, I wish we could settle a bet on this, as I think I would cash in rather handsomely.
I can't wait for you to eat a slice of humble pie... with a big scoop of Moose Tracks ice cream.
Sarah was in Missouri campaigning and drew a crowd of 18,000.
Joe Biden was there too... with a crowd of 400.
Poor Joe.
Hah. Well, the die is cast - we shall see.
Though I think you've missed the disconnect between thinking that he will win and being his supporter.
Per his prayer, Our Lady of Guadalupe please remember John McCain and all pro-life candidates tomorrow. And, O yes, please bring him around on embryonic stem cell research.
And in cases of rape and incest.
Perhaps it should be said, Sarah Palin will win the election.
If Sam Brownback were the nominee, and we received the same prayer cards, would there be the same objection?
I'm not crazy about it myself, but McCain is a Protestant so this shows (at least superficially) that he is open to understanding the Catholic veneration of the Mother of God. That's a huge stumbling block for Protestants, so this is a big plus. If he is open to that, he may be more open to be influenced by Catholic teaching on moral and social issues if he wins the presidency. He will be much more favorable to Catholicism than the Obamination.
Think about this Obama had his minions go after every political enemy this election, no matter how small and irrelevant. He is out to destroy his public enemies. What do you think he's going to do against the bishops and priests who have publicly opposed him after he's elected? Did you see him flip off McCain the same way he did to Hilary at his speech yesterday? This guy is pure class.
Atheling: FWIW, I love moose tracks ice cream!
Today, I am praying for a pro-life victory. OLG, pray for us!
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