AmericanPapist Comments
The Speaker of the House is a member of the president's cabinet? Huh?
Umm...you're either Pro-Choice or Catholic.
You cannot be both.
I agree FatMan it is time to spell it out for all of the cafeteria folks out there and the bishops have to be more forceful. I am of the mind if they can't deal with the fact there is the door. I rather have a small church full of devout believers instead or a large church full of people who corrupt the church from within.
I would be rather surprised if Governor Sebelius wasn't offered a cabinet position given her staunch support for Obama from the very beginning. Whether or not she would accept is a different story.
If the cabinet is loaded down with people who are democrat politicians first and statesmen/leaders second, then so much the better for 2012.
"Archbishop Niederauer invited Nancy Pelosi to a "conversation""
AUTUMN
BLOOD
Fall fall
Fall the leaves
As the blood-red Autumn
Sighs and grieves
For in the gentle
Blood-fed womb
Leaves are crushed
An Autumn tomb
“And the Word made Flesh”
For “excommunication”
But flesh wouldn’t say…
So exoneration.
Nor did the flesh demand
Or articulate
Only “morally-bankrupt”
Not “excommunicate!”
So fall fall
Fall the leaves
The blood-red Autumn
Sighs and grieves
In the land of the blind
One-eyed man’s king
But on his head
Autumn blood will cling!
I live in KS, I just heard on the news that is likely that Sebelius will be in the cabinet like Nathan said.
(Maybe its selfish of me, but at least it will get her out of KS ha ha)
Please read at The Curt Jester (By Guillermo Bustamante on November 5, 2008 7:44 PM)
“The USCCB meets soon to discuss "practical and pastoral implications of political support for abortion." Will the scandal of Sen. Biden be addressed? Probably not…”
Unless… WE square off the USCCB.
How? Repeating: “Is not possible to serve two Lords…” We must study the defeat in Colorado of the abortion ban, BECAUSE THE USCCB INCOMPETENT CATHECHESIS, lighting this scientific fact-open-market:
WOMBS FOR RENT (Charity: call a spade, spade, JP II).
Case in point: if one of the less confused in the Gospel of Life (JP II), but obsessed in demeaning himself putting as an equal to "a don nadie" (nobody) little-professor Kmiec (elevated by most Catholic media???), and afraid to ruffle politicians feathers as Abp. Cheput...
Well, just focus: he calls formal-direct abortion lawmakers Biden: “distinguished career in public service”, and Pelosi a: “fine public servant”, instead of cold blooded murderers...
Corolary? The real battle is to be expected from us, lay Roman Catholics.
Regards
Brady, did I see where you said you were from the Salina Diocese? That's where I grew up before my family relocated to Wichita. I briefly looked at the Wichita Eagle online to see what positions she's being mentioned for, but didn't see anything. What did you see on the news?
I actually think Sebelius has done pretty well in Kansas. It's one thing to get elected in 2002, but she got re-elected in a staunchly Republican state. Even Joan Finney couldn't get re-elected. One could argue that this is the result of the disarray of the Kansas GOP (a microcosm of the national GOP), but I think it has more to do with the fact that she's done a pretty good job in repairing the mistakes of Bill Graves. You obviously can't overlook her veto of partial-birth abortion, but it's tough to deny the success she's had in running our state.
I can't beleive it. I agree with Nathan. :)
Nathan,
I grew up in the Salina Diocese, west of Hays (Quinter). I am in school at Wichita right now though. ha ha. Her abortion stance makes me mad, and the fact that Tiller the Killer is in her pocket. I was also hoping that Mark Schoehofer would defeat Foulston for DA, because she is also one of Tiller's, but we got blasted there too.
I heard Brownback might run for governor in 2010. That'd be sweet.
Anyways I just saw it on the news when I was working out, didn't specifically say which position she would get.
Ed, though I can make no guarantees, I'll see what I can do to make it a more regular occurrence. :)
An Obama administration littered with pro-abortion "Catholics" would go a long toward keeping life issues right in front of the bishops. Every decision made of one of these "Catholics" will be vetted in terms of Church teaching and bishops will be asked to respond, giving them multiple opportunities to teach the truth. Now, let's pray the USCCB elects officers willing and able to respond with the mind and voice of the ancient Church and not the flippery of the zeitgeist!
Fr. Philip, OP
Brady, I know Quinter well. I'm pretty certain Father Gus Moeder served Quinter, and he would come to Hill City to fill in when our pastor was out of town. I also recall playing Quinter a couple times in sub-state basketball and went there for regional track a time or two, so I know Quinter modestly well. :)
I didn't know Foulston was in Tiller's pocket. I know I didn't vote for her, and it's disappointing she dominated. I didn't even bother to look at how that result turned out.
As for governor, while I love him in D.C., I thought Moran should have come back to run in '06. He's the only one who had a shot of beating Sebelius. If Brownback does run in '10, I hope Moran runs for his Senate seat. I have a lot of respect for that guy.
as a senior at Fordham, a Jesuit university, I have studied American Catholicism and the 'secularism' of Catholicism... the way we have allowed people to be cafeteria Catholics and still registered members of our Churches. Honestly, it is the fault of the leadership of the Catholic Church in the 20th century for their move to be, well, more 'Catholic' (if we think universal). But Catholicism is a strict religion; the church is in a bind. Is it going to keep confirming people in the faith and allowing them to be parish members if they 'pick and choose' their Catholicism, do not attend mass, and (as it seems you all agree) are false embodiments of Catholicism?
I was raised Catholic by my Irish - MA - Republican parents, but over the past two years studying the actual history and sociology of the church in America, feel uncomfortable calling myself Catholic.
Where would you all put someone like me? I feel like a Catholic by faith, I suppose - I am inspired by the Holy Trinity and the Virgin Mary, theologists and activists like Murray, Merton, Day... yet tend to disagree with some of the Catholic Church's doctrines (how is natural family planning -not- attempting to divert life?). I love the Church, but she doesn't seem to love me.
I don't feel like a cafeteria Catholic, I feel like I just can't live up to the high expectations of the Church. I wonder if many other faithful are in my position.
Hey, throw Granholm in the mix too, for kicks.
Mary,
Briefly, because I know other Catholics will respond.
NFP is not "dodging" life, because God gave us (well, women, rather...) that whole ovulation cycle thing, with highs and lows for fertility. I can see where some can see it as "contraception", but whereas condoms, and the pill are artificial, this "method" is due to the way a woman's body works.
And we all fail at being Catholic sometimes. That's why He gave us confession.
Wow, what are the odds of three people commenting on this thread who were born/raised in the Diocese of Salina? I grew up in Smith Center and also live in Wichita (for now--I'm actually considering relocating to my home town). I'm not a fan of Sebelius at all. In addition to her unrelenting support for abortion, I strongly disagree with her decision on clean-coal technology.
Mary: "I love the Church, but she doesn't seem to love me."
Mary, I am most likely speaking out of turn, so please take my response with a grain of salt.
I've been led to believe that one mark of Catholicism is obedience to the Magesterium and to the bishops, especially when such obedience is difficult. St. Joan of Arc was burned at the stake and later raised up as a saint. St. John of the Cross went through terrible persecution at the hands of his superior, but St. John is now a Doctor of the Church. I think that even St. Thomas Aquinas' writings were about to be condemned, but he is now also a Doctor of the Church.
This obedience sounds hard, but it is the outward sign of something on the inside that is even harder: dying to self. This dying to self isn't a fatalistic, "Gee, I have nothing else to lose," but rather an act of the will that embraces God's unseen promise of closer communion with God Himself.
The more I die to myself, the more it hurts, but the closer I get to God. Obedience, especially when it's hard, is part of that hurt.
Thanks GW!!
After the results of this election became apparent, I thought that this world is becoming less and less my home. When the going gets tough, when you have only your faith left, then you know that God is God.
The state of MI is becoming very hostile to human life. Some say where I live, it is the city of churches. I don't see it. I see comfort and convenience becoming the new god. There is a billboard on the freeway that shows a couple under the covers with their feet hanging off the end of a bed and the caption is telling them to sleep in and go to church on the internet.
I'd offer our Gov. for a cabinet post, but I wouldn't wish her on anyone else.
An Obama administration littered with pro-abortion "Catholics" would go a long toward keeping life issues right in front of the bishops.
Isn't it odd that Obama wants to surround himself with pro-abortion Catholics? Does the antichrist have many heads? This is 100% anti-Catholic, it is a mockery, a distorted image of the Church, is it not? The devil wants the souls of all humans to be damned and he wants us to brutally murder one another, but I think he gets a greater kick out of watching Catholics fall into his traps and into grave sin, sometimes even killing the most innocent (Hitler was a Catholic; Stalin went to Orthodox seminary).
Reminds me of an article I once read in the Jewish Quarterly about the intent to destroy the Christian fabric in American society by spreading porn. One of the high points was getting Catholic school girls to join the industry, simply because they were Catholic.
Here is one paragraph from the article:
Al Goldstein, the publisher of Screw, said (on lukeford.net), ‘The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.’ Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged.
The thing is, you don't need to agree with everything the Church says, per se. But if you disagree, you do have to have the attitude that "I don't get why the Church teaches this, but I believe that the Church does have the words of eternal life and the power from Christ to teach. So I'm willing to go with it until I do understand."
Even a good cookbook is full of instructions that don't seem to make sense. Surely it would be better to do it another way? But when you watch one of the food science shows, all of a sudden the strange instructions turn out to be perfectly logical.
Re: natural family planning
Also, it's never wrong to abstain together from sex. St. Paul even says so. :) Now, if on ovulation days you were doing everything hot and heavy up to the moment of nookie and then not doing it, that would be like birth control. :)
Hang in there, Mary. It isn't easy. That is the point. Read up a little more on NFP. It is really quite a beautiful expression of love between husband and wife.
Catholics and the election were disappointing if not surprising. I hope that when it comes to the actual issue of being pro-life, they show more resolve...
Why can't Obama just take the pro-aborts off our hands and invent jobs for them? Nancy Pelosi, secretary of Botox!
Three more cafeteria Catholics -- Interesting isn't it? I bet the nuns at Trinity University who taught Ms. Pelosi are spinning in the grave!
Fatman, a correction in language - there is no such thing as "Pro-choice". Pro-choice is really pro-abortion, because choice needs an object. Abortion supporters like the label pro-choice because it sounds nice and American. We shouldn't fall into their trap. (After all, they are not pro-school-choice or non-seat-belt-wearing-choice.)
Maybe Neiderauer can meet Pelosi while he's at the bishops conference meeting.
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