AmericanPapist Comments
"Basically, it makes me think they just want our votes, not our input."
My parish 'Catholics for Obama' group as well as our diocese-wide organization have great and frequent input with the campaign. We have a terrific, deep and involved relationship. From reports I have from other parish and diocese 'Catholics for Obama' groups, the same is true for them.
Part of the input my parish group has given is for the campaign not to waste its time doing debates with hard-edged partisan hacks. We have too much work to do making sure Catholics are registered to vote and helping them get to the polls on election day.
"hard-edged partisan hacks"? :-)
In all things, charity.
Obama understands what "Catholics for Obama" apparently do not. His views are incompatible with the Catholic Faith, so he avoids a confrontation entirely.
How can a man with a black father and a white mother turn out so yellow?
Katherine- who are the hard edged partisan hacks to whom you refer and for whom would they most likely vote? Just wondering.
Yes I'm sure Obama does cater to Pro-Abortion "Catholics". Why doesn't Obama "choose" to meet with Pro-Life Bishops? An invitation is waiting?
Ah, Thomas, Obama is not black. BTW, his father is african arabian and his mother is white.
"My parish 'Catholics for Obama' group as well as our diocese-wide organization have great and frequent input with the campaign. We have a terrific, deep and involved relationship. From reports I have from other parish and diocese 'Catholics for Obama' groups, the same is true for them."
That's really great news. If it's true, then we can expect the Democratic Party to change its platform to conform to the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion. That would be some pretty audacious hope, right? Well, at least keep giving the authentic Catholic pro-life input to the campaign.
Catholics For Obama- the political and religious equivalent of Uncle Toms.
Katherine- stop the jiving.
Obama is also in favor of repealing the Defense of Marriage Act, is against the constitutional referendum in favor of traditional marriage in California, and is in favor of embryonic stem cell research. He is against tax credits toward private schools such as Catholic schools. I'm sure one can go on from there.
3 out of 8 responses make racial comments. Okay, that's slightly less than half. You get points for that.
Anyway, I'm off to our planning meeting for a voter registration drive at a Catholic parish in Virgina. My best to all!
Anyway, I'm off to our planning meeting for a voter registration drive at a Catholic parish in Virgina. My best to all!
I see. Throw the "hard edged partisan hacks" grenade then skeedadle. Classy.
So Kate- how was the voter registration drive? Who did you eliminate from registering? Mother with one crying baby and two toddlers....nope.....45-year-old woman wheeling her elderly mother who may have Alzheimer's....nope, not appealing....Oh the family with the gunrack and the NRA bumper sticker...... Mrs. McGuillicudy, holding the hand of her 20-year-son with Down's Syndrome.....And don't forget the hard-edged partisan hacks. They might not be worth the voter reg forms.....Might even be a bitter clinger or two in the bunch...
Oh, and don't forget to wipe off the blackface when you get home.
Scott,
Katherine is great at throwing grenades and then skedaddling.
Hey Katherine, i bet you and Chavez would get along great together. Cause Osama Obama wants to have a "conference with him".
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Tremendous help from Catholic University of America students the other day to volunteer for the Obama campaign. Thank you to CUA, you are a gold mine of dedicated, hard working young people!
katherine "the apologist for the terrorists" is a fema nazi
I'm shocked--shocked!--to learn that CUA harbors a bunch of Cafeteria Catholics!
bill, they've been brain washed by the perfidious socialists. pray for them.
" I'm shocked--shocked!--to learn that CUA harbors a bunch of Cafeteria Catholics!
Not just CUA. Franciscan Univ. of Stuebenville has given the Obama campaign some fine leaders. God bless them!!
Me a Nazi, Crusader? Hardly. I'm someone your type called a "premature anti-fascist" (one of the sickest phrases ever invented by the conservatives).
You're right, RC; some people are joyfully prancing down the road to hell. Our prayers may be the only chance they have.
Katherine:
It is a mortal sin to vote for a pro abortion candidate when a viable pro life one is available. You are in formal cooperation with evil. Furthermore, your efforts to draw others into the act of evil - via disinformation and lies - is equally wicked.
God help your soul.
Atheling,
The please pray for Senator McCain, who also has supported pro-abortion candidates.
Hi Katerine. You wrote "Franciscan Univ. of Stuebenville has given the Obama campaign some fine leaders."
Could you name some? I can't think of any off hand.
You wrote "Franciscan Univ. of Stuebenville has given the Obama campaign some fine leaders."
Ed,
In another of many misleading statements what Katherine really means is that a former student(s) of FUS have joined the Obama movement and spoken out publicly in support of him, using ones past history as a pro-life leader on campus to imply that FUS as an institution endorses him.
Katherine,
I trust your Obama advocacy is in good faith. It's hard to see your participation in this combox as anything but bomb-throwing and conservative-baiting / provocateurship.
I see that at a blogger at your Catholics For Obama blog expresses "shock" at racial comments at AmP. If you and your fellow bloggers feel you are sinless enough to cast stones, that's your privilege. FWIW, I suggest that we are all called to a higher level of discussion and charity than has been consistently seen on either side so far.
God bless you.
maybe so joannes. katherine's petulance and the sophomoric (in the old sense of that word) style of her arguments are not lost on me, but i still think she knows what words mean, which is something these days, eh? anyway, we should treat her, if at all, as if she does.
now katherine thinks that in an environment such as a blog she can get away with blithe assertions, having boldly left her blow for the truth in the everlasting memory of cyberspace. in a sense, she and others liek her can. no one here can look her in the eye across the lucnh table and say, "Oh, seriously, K, get real" and have her face that scene immediately. she's safe where she sits, from having folks talk to her.
still, without wanting to waste time on it (there are only so many projects one can take on), i do tend to push K to back up some of her claims since, i have a hunch, she knows that she sounds much more sure of herself than she really feels. i could be wrong. anyway, enough armchair psycho speculating here.
K, you said some Steubies have taken stands for Obama. Yours is a plausible, and if true moderately interesting, claim. I ask therfore, Who do you have as examples, pray tell?
Ed -- Going by the Catholics for Obama blog, K probably has this individual in mind, for one. Don't know if there are any others.
ah yes. well, K says she knows of multiple such folks, I'll await her multiple examples.
in the meantime, in any large group (eg, FUS alums) there are going to be cranks. my poor alma mater (SLU) cringes whenever I'm mentioned as being one of their grads. My narrow-minded triumphamistic ravings about the Church knowing what she's doing after all, must drive them nuts.
sorry.
Katherine:
What pro abortion candidates has Senator McCain supported and what are you talking about?
You are a perfect example why I sometimes think the voting age should revert back to 30+ year old men with property. Your flippant, immature and dishonest attitude is shameful.
Atheling,
Nothing shameful about speaking the truth. McCain has supported many pro-abortion candidates. The childishness that refuses to accept this fact is what is a disappointment to our democracy.
You notice, Ed, that Katherine has not answered your question about multiple folks. Nor,Atheling, has she answered yours about McCain supporting pro-abortion candidates. She never does give SPECIFIC answers...she never names names.
As far as that "student leader" at Franciscan goes, someone posted on Kate's blog that the "student leader" she was writing about graduated from FUS over 10 years ago. That post was on there for about 10 seconds and then Kate deleted it. She does that all the time, also. She will leave wild rantings from a conservative person on there forever but if someone gives a calm and reasoned response/refutation to a liberal position...ZAP...Kate deletes it!
She must be scared her precious Barry is in danger of losing.
"Nor,Atheling, has she answered yours about McCain supporting pro-abortion candidates."
Before I bother, I'm waiting for an admission that this is a significant matter.
Katherine, Christ is asking us to be loyal to His Church. Electioneering isn't putting an end to abortion.
Before I bother, I'm waiting for an admission that this is a significant matter.
Call me crazy, but the details determine how significant something is. So kindly quit stalling and make with it.
Come on, Katherine, please substantiate your assertions.
Otherwise, we will have to assume that you are a liar.
"Nothing shameful about speaking the truth."
But I guess it is shameful to actually back up your assertions.
I think atheling nailed it.
K,
"Before I bother, I'm waiting for an admission that this is a significant matter."
Do you need something much stronger than Ed's quite reasonable "Yours is a plausible, and if true moderately interesting, claim"?
What exactly are you looking for? How "significant" do you want it to be? What exactly should it signify?
"My goodness, if there's another former Steubie Obama supporter -- to say nothing of three, or five -- why, the significance would be..." What?
BTW, how much "bother" is it to post one or more names? Why not just post them?
Let's start with Specter and Kolbe as two pro-abortionists supported by McCain. Then move on to Mary Bono, Tom Davis, Nancy Johnson, Sue Kelley, Chris Shays, Heather Wilson, Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Tom Kean, Olympia Snow, Connie Morella and Mark Kirk. Pretty long list. And there are a lot more names.
OK. Now I need to brace myself for the avalance of excuses, revisionism, and back-tracking.
Katherine:
Very vague response.
Please explain what you mean "supported" by McCain, then please demonstrate how John McCain "supported" these folks.
Details, please, instead of just a list.
atheling -- try endorsing their election and giving them thousands of dollars.
OK. Now I need to brace myself for the avalance of excuses, revisionism, and back-tracking.
Katherine, this is simply ugly talk. Don't treat others like mere props.
O.K., Katherine, give us the links so that we can read about this ourselves.
www.fec.gov
Look for "Straight Talk America PAC", McCain's fund for giving money to other candidates. Some of those he supported are pro-life, some are pro-abortion. Its all verified, public record, available right on the internet.
So, if your theory that an authentic pro-lifer cannot support a pro-choice candidate is true, Senator McCain cannot be called an authentic pro-lifer.
"OK. Now I need to brace myself for the avalance of excuses, revisionism, and back-tracking."
How's the weather, way, way up there?
K,
"So, if your theory that an authentic pro-lifer cannot support a pro-choice candidate is true, Senator McCain cannot be called an authentic pro-lifer."
Well, in the first place, unless and until McCain comes clean on embryonic-destructive research, no serious Catholic would call him "an authentic pro-lifer."
He's just a lot more pro-life than Obama (see my recent discussion in progress).
Also, no one here has said that "an authentic pro-lifer cannot support a pro-choice candidate."
Rather, an authentic pro-lifer cannot support a pro-choice candidate against a pro-life candidate.
In how many of the cases you cite did McCain support a more or less pro-choice candidate against a more or less pro-life candidate?
In how many of the cases you cite did McCain support a more or less pro-choice candidate against a more or less pro-life candidate?
Specter vs. Toomey would be the prime example.
Add in in most of these cases, McCain offered his support and big bucks before it was even known who the other candidates would be.
"Specter vs. Toomey would be the prime example."
Oh, a primary race. Not a race for office. That's different. Calculations about which candidate has the best chance of beating the other party's challenger -- in this case, Democratic Hoeffel, who AFAIK is at least as pro-choice as Specter -- have to be taken into account.
Also, in the Senate, the individual candidate may be less important than the party majority. It looks like McCain -- along with others including Rick Santorum, who is solidly pro-life -- supported the Republican candidate they felt had the best chance of beating and defending the Republican majority, which would enable the GOP to better defend life than with pro-choice Dems in charge.
"That's different...Also, in the Senate, the individual candidate may be less important than the party majority"
Just as I predicted.
"Just as I predicted."
Familiar feeling, is it, K? I bet all your predictions come true, don't they.
When you straw man ("an authentic pro-lifer cannot support a pro-choice candidate"), and those on the other side clarify, it must be nice to feel vindicated.
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