AmericanPapist Comments
She is the worst speaker but criminal incompetence compared to competent criminals and traitor with Hastert and Delay.
This wasn't a Democratic request that blew up but a Republican one and if they can't take a little, very little, humble pie then they are bigger morons than we think.
All the Republicans that voted against this are facing tough challenges due to the criminality of the Congress since the Republicans took over.
Crying that mean old lady talked bad to them is amazingly childish. Cry babies indeed.
Man up. Take responsibility. I know Republicans don't want to hear that but it's mostly your fault. Especially more because of the shameless way you treated Ron Paul who is the only candidate with any integrity.
Terrible speech, yes. I mean it´s hard to honestly discern whether pelosi is for the bill or against it when she says things like ¨the era of golden parachutes is over¨ or whatever exactly she said.
But can we really call this vote a failure? Seems to me that this was a successful suppressing of a socialistic initiative for government intervention at the expense of the taxpayers.
For $700 billion, the government could pay the taxes of everyone in the US making under $500,000 a year. Maybe it´s time to try a ¨trickle up¨ theory instead of coming to the expensive aid of exorbitant capitalists who have already lined their pockets through all this nonsense.
i think what gets me is the hubris to make a partisan play over an issue that seems to be more due to democrat fiscal policy than republican. fair?
yes. and she sounds just like a player because of the election... a part of the game,which is very sad indeed.all because of an election no matter what.
I only pray we get a real leader in November to pull us through all of this: http://salesianity.blogspot.com/...rican-
hero.html
God is good and I think we have to trust He is with us in all of this mess!
The notion that Pelosi is responsible for the failed vote is ridiculous. The fact that Republicans in congress would not vote aye b/c of Pelosi is ridiculous. She delivered 60% of democrats to the bill that would have prevented the 777 fall in the Dow. Republicans put foward 30% of their members. Pelosi bears no responsibility of Boehner's failure to deliver votes that would have prevented further deterioration. The Republicans put politics above the country. But hey what's new.
[I've been banned for repeated trolling.]
"seems to be more due to democrat fiscal policy than republican. fair?" Not at all. Wow. That statement is just so incredibly ignorant and really is wrong by 180 degrees.
Will and Raymond, we know suspect you are supporters of the Abortion Party aka Democratic Party so you are feeling a bit touchy. The fact is, Nancy Pelosi displayed really, really poor judgment with her highly politiczed speech, particularly when she wanted "cover" for this bill by trying to get as many Republicans to join in this effort as possible. Unless you both have extremely poor memories or amnesia she recently went on television to instruct the people on the Catholic view of abortion and got her head handed to her by dozens of American bishops. Unlike Sarah Palin, a true feminist who got where she got ALL on her own, Little Miss Nancy is lucky to have a very wealthy husband who bought her her Congressional seat. By the way, her husband uses ZERO union labor in his multiple businesses, something the left-wing loon media never mentions. She is a fake Catholic and people who support her are fake Catholics too. They should really consider joining the Episcopal Church where beliefs have no consequences. Lastly Tom Peters is right about the Democrats who are economic illiterates. Little Barney Fwank and Little CHrissy Dodd have their hands all over the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae scandals. Little Barney Fwank just this year said there were "no problems" with those agencies. Talk about asleep at the switch! By by, Tom
Will- check your own math. 40% of the Democrats voted against this bill. She couldn 't even muster the same energy that old-time fixer predecessors like Tip O'Neill or John McCormick should achieve. She has the same ability to garner a vote as with moral theology. Slim and none. Worst Speaker in history, and the primary person responsible for the collapse of a bad bill.
Is she so arrogant to think that we have forgotten that Bush administration has asked no less than three times for more careful regulation of the Community Reinvestment Act? All three times Barney Frank D-Mass shot it down, backed by his democrat cronies. It still boggles the mind that they can think that if they lie hard and loud enough Americans will believe them. What is even more infuriating is that most of them do believe. If you ask me, he should be drawn up on charges.
Ben Compton
raymond, care to back that up?
did you read this post?
http://www.americanpapist.com/20...mic-
crisis.html
Were I a Republican Member of the House I would consider conditioning my "aye" vote on the removal of Rep. Frank as Chair of the Financial Services Committee.
He scuttled efforts by the regulators to take rein in Fannie and Freddie. And he also had an intimate relationship with one of the Fannie execs who was responsible for the expansion of their "bad credit" mortgages.
In no way should he have a role in overseeing this recovery program.
I heard a great comment from Mike Huckabee tonight: "Does it make sense to let the people who burned the Thnaksgiving turkey come back to cook Christmas dinner?" I think this defeat is a response to the will of the American people (remember them, the ones who vote for their representatives?) more than a revolt against Pelosi. She can't even get all her Democrat members to vote 'aye'. From what I've read and heard, Congress was flooded with calls and emails from constituents to vote 'NO' on this bill. I support that, and applaud them for it. The last thing this country needs is further nationalization of private business, and higher taxes.
I'm LarryD, and I support this message.
"raymond, care to back that up?"
absolutely. the article you link to in no way provides suggests that democrats are responsible for the fact that financial institutions were allowed to purchase the amount of mbs they did, or that they should have. neither the government as a whole, nor the democratic party, forced private banks to buy these securities, let alone forced them to ignore the risks involved.
seriously: this problem has little to do with D versus R (see the house vote today) and certainly has nothing to do with whether or not one opposes abortion, as TJM suggests. that's just crazy, really.
Raymond, you didn't give ANYTHING that supports your position as you were challenged. ergo, you lost the debate.
AMP, I agree, Nancy did a horrid job of leading and/or unifying anyone. Personally, I am not convinced that the "bailout" is the answer, so I hope those Republicans who voted against have a different plan (altho, I'm sure some voted against it because their constituents called, emailed, etc...will of the people!)
I agree with Huckabee. The people responsible for this are bleeding heart dems who wanted everyone to get a house whether they could afford it or not. "Spread the wealth" mentality. If you want something, you need to work your butt off to get it. If you can't afford a mortgage, you have no business getting one. (PS this is where I am at. ) Yes, those who burned Thanksgiving dinner... Pelosi, shut up and sit down.
If the mortgages were not failing, there would be no crisis. If this is such a great deal for the American people (no risk), why are some big companies stepping up to the plate to buy this "bad paper". Let it fail, we will all be better off in the long run for it.
Raymond, wake up and smell the coffee. My point is, is that this woman is a raving, foaming at the mouth partisan, left-wing goof, who cannot handle any issue, whether a House Vote or a TV interview competently. She makes Sarah Palin look positively presidential. I know you're an AbortionCrat and so you're feeling sensistive. Tom
TJM - could you back-off all the insults - it's distracting from the rest of your points.
"Raymond, you didn't give ANYTHING that supports your position as you were challenged. ergo, you lost the debate."
umm actually i think i did. what part are you confused about?
I'm no fan of Pelosi, but I can't believe the doublethink going on with the attacks against Pelosi because of her stupid comments.
Plenty of Democrats voted against the bill. Did she offend them too?
Plenty of Republicans rightly see this bill as another step towards AmSoc (Our version of IngSoc) and actually remembered that they have to answer to their voters, not their party whip.
This bill's defeat is a triumph for Americans. Pelosi doesn't deserve to be associated with the victory in any way.
Do you seriously consider this a failure? Again I will say it again; I am a real conservative; not one of these Wilsonian Democrats that are masquerading as Republicans nowadays. Mr. Peters you know more than anyone how bad our news are; so why do you consider this a failure?
What I mean to say is... this bailout idea is an idea to steal money from the American People through devaluing their currency. With fear of the Dollar Bubble about to burst; that is the last thing we ought to do. When our dollar loses 90% of its value in the next couple years, you'll wish the government listened to Ron Paul and the rest of the Austrian-School Economists who have predicted everything that we've been going through.
Raymond just because you type words doesn't mean you backed up your arguement. a good place to start researching this financial crisis is with the link that John V posted. Some will say that subprime loans aren't to blame-or the federal law inacted that required banks to give out bad loans-but one of the root reasons that fredie mac et al are in trouble is that they gave loans to people who could not afford them. Because again...bleeding heart dems demand that we all have the same thing no matter what our income level. SO, people who had no business getting loans were given loans.
You have not given substantial evidence otherwise..ergo...
"one of the root reasons that fredie mac et al are in trouble is that they gave loans to people who could not afford them."
check your facts. freddie mac doesn't make loans.
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