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Mahoney has really been pulling this barely-pseudo-Catholic stuff for a long time. It really makes me wonder if St. Mary Major could use a co-rector, and how long the Pope will tolerate such high-level dissidents.
I'm sure the Vatican doesn't have an eye on every parish priest under the See, but it'd be nice if they were watching their Shepherds a little closer.
I remember attending the "Come & See" retreat at the L.A. Archdiocese 10 years ago, when one of the candidates prayed for the defeat of gay marriage in Hawaii, the "feminist" sisters grabbed the microphone from the poor girl.
I discovered my priestly vocation in L.A., but when they interviewed me, I did not pass in their liberal standard.
This is really so sad.
It also highlights how much we need to pray for our shepherds!
*sigh*. Sometimes I it just seems as if 'tolerance' is more important than 'Truth' in some settings.
Roger Mahony, is so passe. A double-knit dinosaur whose world is cratering. Tom
Roger Mahony may be passé, but the damage he has caused through his absolute contempt for our Lord Jesus Christ is going to be deeply rooted in the hearts and minds of Catholics in Los Angeles for a long time.
My wife and I suffered terribly at the parish where we were married. We spent the four out of the five years of our courtship singing in a Gregorian Schola, bringing much-needed dignity to the Ordinary Form of the Mass, and had an ardent desire to be marry in the context of a similarly beautiful liturgy.
The hippie wedding coordinator at the parish in Los Angeles wouldn't lift a finger to help us. I had hoped to spend the night before my wedding in prayer before the Blessed Sacrament with my fiancée. Instead I spent it polishing a thurible that hadn't been used in thirty years.
The kneelers we requested? Not delivered because "we don't kneel in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles." We knelt anyway. On the floor.
Our priest was imported from Washington State because no priest we knew in LA would consent to sing a Mass, or to having the propers of the nuptial mass chanted.
Thankfully the parish choir and our hand-picked Schola Cantorum were wonderful. The Mass was beautiful in the end, but it was not easy. We had to arrange everything ourselves at great expense, on top of the $2,000 dollar fee that the wedding coordinator demanded (all she did was sit there and tell us how we couldn't do this, it's not Catholic, it's behind the times, etc.)...
"All are welcome in this place" indeed.
..."A "partnered" lesbian Episcopal priestess who endorsed SIECUS's manifesto calling for "sexual and reproductive rights,"
BONEY-MARONI
There was a Cardinal named Baloney
Or was it Cardinal Macaroni?
He built a church out west, brand new.
A church for me, a church for you.
Where people drive their pristine cars,
Emission pure, no ozone mars.
A church for many kinds of sexes
Even witches casting hexes.
There was a Cardinal named Marconi
Or was it Cardinal Boney-Maroni?
He built a church, ten million three.
For gender-benders by the sea.
For all to sit, not kneel, awhile,
And share your peace with ped-o-phile.
An all new church, on L.A. sod,
For me and you...thank God, not God!
One question I always had was... does the pope have any authority over bishops, or are his hands pretty much tied in matters such as these?
John Calla - that's what I want to know? How is this allowed to keep happening? The Pope has internet access, I presume. Can't he see what's happening in the US? Especially in California? I have always wondered why he doesn't just get fed up and give an "Enough already" speech - while getting rid of these "bishops" - what would Thomas More do in this situation?
The reason that the hammer does not fall from above Zeus like from Rome, is simple: the Church has no effective means of enforcing its doctrine if the locals are popular enough to hold on to their reins of power.
So normally they just wait the heretics out. Let them retire and then install a faithful prelate to slowly undo the damage. It's better than provoking a schism since history shows schisms to never really heal. It's tragic triage if you will. Sacrifice the current and next generation to wolves in the hope of sparing all future generations vs. risking losing both the majority today and forever ala Great Britain.
1,090 days until the mandatory retirement of Roger Cardinal Mahony...
Archbishop Gomez shouldn't get too involved with initiatives in San Antonio, because he'll be relocating in three years to the City of Angels. Although I would think that Bishop Olmsted could be a darkhorse candidate.
1,090 days until the mandatory retirement of Roger Cardinal Mahony...
hmmm...anyone know how I can make a countdown thingy for my blog?
Would it be a sin to pray for a "happy death" for the Grand Poobah of La-La-Land? He already has a nice spot reserved for him in the catacombs of the Cathedral of Angels befitting his ivory-tower image.
Bishop Brown clearly looks like he is playing on the "other team." No wonder he hates the TLM and orthodoxy. Tom
Yes, it's probably too much to pray for his "happy death". However, if you're in the mood to be religiously rude, I think prayer to St. Michael the Archangel would be more in line than St. Joseph and a happy death.
Is that in poor taste? Perhaps.
Maybe prayers to St. Jude are applicable here. Sometimes that Archdiocese seems like a hopeless situation. If I'm not in their Archdiocese, can I still give them St. Jude as a patron?
Pax Christi, yes, it is objectively sinful to pray for the death of anyone.
Pax Christi, I see I owe you a more nuanced answer: read Henry Davis, Moral and Pastoral Theology, 3d ed., I: 231-232.
if only the Cardinal had said 'the Church is not moving towards married priests at this time' instead of his negative-ultramontanism
Ed, thanks for the advice. I don't think I'd be able to access that book, so is it possible for you to tell me in a nutshell what it says? Of course, I was joking with my comment, but maybe even that's a sin? Anyway, to Anon: Better yet, the cardinal should just have said that it's been decided for all time that priests will not be allowed to marry, so get used to it.
Well, in a nutshell, it says that wishing death on another for their harm is always wrong (and hence not a subject for joking, and I knew you were joking), but I responded that it was NEVER licit to wish another's death, and that, as stated, is too broad. One can wish for another's death if it is to their good or serves justice, etc., but the approved authors all advise against even that much, as it is too difficult for us mortals to keep our motives pure in such cases. Davis says it is better. It's well-known work, keep your eye out for it. Quite readable, etc.
Ed, thank you for the summary on that subject. It all makes sense and does relect my conscience. I did check out Amazon and found the set of books there. I've already bought quite a few books that I've yet to finish reading, plus the wife would have a fit if I splurge anymore! But I'll be sure to keep it in mind for a possible future purchase. I also found some chats on this subject on the Internet. There does seem to be an occasion where we can pray to God to vanquish our enemies. Of course, calling Mahony an enemy would be going too far, but he sure seems to be a bit too friendly and ecumenical with the wrong side at times.
Ed, by the way, I thought your name seemed a little familiar. So I did a quick research of the Web and wonder if you are the author of several books on subjects like excommunication and annulments, and also the blogger at the site called "In Light of the Law"? If so, I have to say that I really enjoyed your recent response to Joe Feuerherd's column, so much so that I passed it along to several folks. I'll be sure to keep checking your blog when I can.
Yes, Pax C, tis I. :)
Welcome to LA-LA land's annual Spring Carnival!
American Papist, here is video coverage of this years Closing Liturgy at Cardinal Roger Mahony's Reliigous Education Congress 2008!http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5TgtFIOabw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h?
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There are 4 parts to the Closing Mass.
Susan, thanks, I'm on it.
American papist here is beter link to all 4 pat videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/Chri.../
Christifideles
http://www.youtube.com/user/Chri.../
Christifideles
American papist 8:19 is part 1
9:59 is part 2
9:08 is part 3
7:11 is part 4
Sorry it took a while to get it up on you tube. God bless !
I watched the whole Mass and found nothing particularly wrong with it. There aren't any liturgical abuses. There is plenty of multicultural stuff and liturgical dancing. Besides, I've been to plenty of papal masses, both in the US and Europe, where JPII presided. This doesn't look too different.
Obviously you know nothing about the cultural diversity of LA. There are a number of ethnic groups there for whom liturgical dancing is a part of their tradition and valid under Vatican norms.
The fact that there are orthodox and heterodox speakers at the event is not a sign of LA's or Mahony's heterodoxy. The session is not designed to be a sheltered, controlled brain washing in the catechism but rather a dialogue with the authentic Catholic tradition AND the rest of the world we live in every day. Not one of the 'heterodox speakers', nor did Mahony himself, claim that each speaker represented the Truth of the Church.
I feel sorry for the sad owner of this blog. He misinterprets and misrepresents everything that doesn't appear to conform to his narrow understanding of Catholicism.
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