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I'm... concerned about this debate. Actually, I'm kinda scared. I want her to do well, but the Couric interview didn't boost my confidence.
I get really into debates, I was nervous for the first McCain/Obama debate as if I were the one debating. I think I'd have a heart attack if I tried to watch this one :D
So tonight, I watch hockey!! And I'll catch the hilites.
Truth will always ring out but have the hearts of many grown dull, cold and deceived by the Lie; the deceptions that have blinded,misguided and confused the hearts and minds of a people who are not hearing or learning the objective Truth spoken through out the ages, which is only found in the wisdom of God, revealed in Jesus Christ who is loved by obedience to The 10 commandments? Lord, open our hearts and minds to hear you in your law of love for God and neighbor.Will we defend the victims of abortion,abuse and oppression of all kinds by loving the weakest and poorest.Protect life,our children,our elderly and may peace be to all men of good will.
As a "Ron Paul Republican" and, consequently, an outside observer in this whole process, I've got to say, this should be a fairly fascinating train wreck.
I'm all for defending life, but it's hard to imagine a woman who couldn't answer the question, "What kind of books & newspapers do you read?" being able to hold her ground. She gave a good speech once...once.
"I'm all for contraception!" -Sarah Palin
Ron Paul Republican...better known as a pro-life democrat.
Even more than at the convention, Palin NEEDS to knock a home run here, not only to save her own plummeting stock, but McCain's too.
McCain lost the first debate because he let Obama pin the financial crisis on the administration and the GOP, implicating McCain by association.
McCain needed to turn around and tag Obama with Democratic culpability in the crisis, but he's so fixated on reaching across the aisle and not pointing fingers that he's killing himself.
If Palin turns around and bites Biden's head off, lays the blame for the financial crisis at the Dems' feet, and defends McCain as a reformer who tried to stave this off with reforms that the Dems resisted, then they'll have a chance.
If they've got her pumped up with McCain Kool-Aid, they're dead in the water. Zero chance. It will happen tonight.
I don't have any special insight so consequentially no prediction. I'm just praying.
I agree, SDG.
There were several problems with the Palin interviews:
1. Journalistic bias and unprofessionalism.
2. Editing Sarah Palin's responses to put her in the worst light.
3. Sarah Palin doesn't know how to spin. She, like most ordinary Americans, is plain spoken and direct, hence her appearance of clumsiness in responding because she has to think in terms of "spinning" as most politicians in DC do.
I hope that the McCain campaign will allow Sarah to just be Sarah and let her speak frankly. It would be a breath of fresh air to hear her say things that most politicians dare not. I think the average "Joe Six Pack" American would appreciate it - to the dismay and scorn of the elites.
I have been praying to the Holy Spirit to inspire her tonight.
Daniel in the lion's den, indeed.
Of course, there is also the issue of the moderator's upcoming book about how wonderful Obama is. Bias,anyone?
I agree bodb. A special prayer for God's will to be done, not what we want. Vote your conscience. God will give this country what it needs. We can only hope for the best.
I would love to stay home and watch, but my time will be spent in front of the local mill praying on my beads. Holy Mother of God, give Sarah the words she needs to be herself and speak the Truth. What the world needs now is an honest, loving, and real person in the White House. All you Holy Men and Women, Pray for her during her time in the Lion's den. Sts. Polycarp and Ignatius, fill her heart with what we need to hear not what is politically correct.
I hope she puts him to shame ....
I love how everyone is waiting to see if Palin will say something stupid. Obviously, there is pressure on her, but Joe Biden literally says something stupid every day!
She has to do 100,000 times better than hot air Biden in order for anyone in the maind stream media to say,
'well, they both managed to get out even'.
There is no free speech in our tv media.
Period.
I for one am sending my Guardian Angel to her especially today on their feast!
Sarah Palin doesn't know how to spin. She, like most ordinary Americans, is plain spoken and direct, hence her appearance of clumsiness in responding because she has to think in terms of "spinning" as most politicians in DC do.
I'm a big Palin fan, but come on. No fancy editing was needed, or seen, in her fumbling some very basic questions like why having Russia as a neighbor gives her foreign policy experience, what newspapers she reads, or what Supreme Court decisions she disagrees with. I think her biggest problem is she is so afraid of looking dumb and/or making a mistake - she's making mistakes that make her look dumb.
I think she needs to calm down, and just be herself instead of trying to be a DC politician.
Uh, Ron Paul Republican means your a pro-life Democrat?
Considering his vote on the bailout and wish to abolish the Fed, repeal the 16th Amendment, save the dollar, etc. he's the only REAL Republican left.
Palin is one sharp woman. She has an extremely high approval rating as Governor. Unlike Hillary or Pelosi, she got where she got all on her own. That's what infuriates the left. Even if Jesus Christ came down and said she won the debate, it wouldn't matter to the media because it doesn't fit their script. What amazes me is that so many non-liberals still buy their tainted products. I cancelled my newspaper along with Time and Newsweek years ago and wouldn't even consider resubscribing. Tom
AMEN Anthony!!
I just logged back on to reply to that remark, thankfully you already did.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com
I don't hear any Democrats preaching about the need for sound money, the need to restore the Constitution, & abolish the Fed, who steels money from you every time they print a new dollar.
This ain't your Daddy's kind of Republican...He's you Great-Great Grandaddy's kind of Republican.
Sean:
Russia being her neighbor does give her some foreign policy credentials because she is head of the Alaska National Guard, a unit of which is the front line defense in case of an attack by Russia.
From Blackfive:
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It’s on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's.
She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.
Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about.
According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.
She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/20...anding-
the.html
Unfortunately Palin is finished.
Why?
Because she has swallowed the Neo-Con kool-aide and now she has to defend War Policy and the Bail Out. These are not conservative views.
I agree with Pat Buchanan that she is solid at heart, but she has become a project of AIPAC and that has hurt her.
I'm Catholic, so I'm open to miracles, but I'm not expecting any.
"No fancy editing was needed, or seen, in her fumbling some very basic questions like why having Russia as a neighbor gives her foreign policy experience"
Correction on that. She was edited, heavily, with Gibson:
http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-...bson-interview/
On the debate: I think that, thaks to the MSM, expectations are so low for Palin that it will be impossible for her to not exceed them.
Psalm 64
O God, hear my anguished voice;
from the foes I dread protect my life.
Hide me from the malicious crowd,
the mob of evildoers.
They sharpen their tongues like swords, ready their bows for arrows of poison words.
They shoot at the innocent from ambush,
shoot without risk, catch them unawares.
They resolve on their wicked plan;
they conspire to set snares;
they say: "Who will see us?"
They devise wicked schemes,
conceal the schemes they devise;
the designs of their hearts are hidden.
But God will shoot arrows at them and strike them unawares.
They will be brought down by their own tongues;
all who see them will shake their heads.
Then all will fear and proclaim God's deed,
pondering what has been done.
The just will rejoice and take refuge in the Lord;
all the upright will glory in their God.
This ain't your Daddy's kind of Republican...He's you Great-Great Grandaddy's kind of Republican.
A former co-worker of my wife, and an ardent Ron Paul supporter, sent her some internet video supporting Paul. I can't link to it offhand, but it has a picture of Uncle Sam strung up, as if crucified, on the Star of David. What kind of anti-Semitic, Elders of Zion ridiculousness is that? Hopefully Paul quickly and forcefully repudiated that image - which was enough, all by itself, for me to consign him to the lunatic fringe. (I'd change my opinion if he denounced it, or was not responsible for approving the message, however.)
Atheling: Perhaps you missed where I said I support Palin. I never said she has no foreign policy experience, I said she fumbled what should have been a softball. Rather than easily rattle off what you posted, she fumbled around for it. Everyone in the country knew she was going to be asked about that - her answer should have rolled off her tongue as easily as reciting the ABC's. That it didn't was troubling.
David B.: Yes, that one interview was edited, but the three questions I refer to were not, to my knowledge, edited. They should have been softballs (except for the Supreme Court one, that was a bit obscure but she could have said "Not at the moment" and moved on).
I'll say it again - I support Palin, I'm glad she's the VP pick, I want to see her do well, I think the media is out to get her and being much more harsh on her than on Biden (who said the President went on television at the start of the Great Depression and nobody said "boo" at that gaffe). That said, she has not performed as well as hoped for in two pretty big interviews.
Hopefully tonight she'll just relax and let it rip.
The media in this Country is evil and dangerous. In any election the media should not be taking sides but treat both parties and their candidates evenhandedly. They should be eliciting their policy positions and honestly weighing their implications, as well as determining if they possess the character for high office . What they are doing in this election is beyond shocking and something I have never seen before on this scale. They are actively rooting for Abortion King, aka Obama, a man with the thinnest resume to ever run for President from either Party, actively concealing serious matters involving his past, his connections, and his character, so as to deprive the American people of the facts they need to make an informed choice. Remember when Bush ran for President? They were always hinting that he used cocaine, that his grades were poor and lacked the intellectual heft to be President (actually they were better than Monsieur Kerry's), etc. I find it stunning that the media isn't in the least concerned with Obama's alleged use of cocaine, his ties to the CHicago machine, his lack of any legislative record or executive experience, and they certainly have NO intellectual curiosity about this performance in school(Although I don't like her, I think they decided HIllary was old news and thus screwed her) .I find it interesting that a guy who was the editor of the Harvard Law Review has no articles written of any kind that the public could peruse. If this guy is elected, and serious matters come to light after the fact, I pray the American people will direct their wrath at the mainstream media and hasten its end as a political force. Tom
palin just missed the opportunity to mention that government mandates had a role to play in the subprime meltdown. blamed it entirely on the lenders.
good mention of the redistribution of wealth that obama/biden stand for
I also love the way she's playing to the notion that government can do a good job providing healthcare is absurd...
palin is lying now, regarding healthcare.
you mean regarding the $5000 tax credit thing? that is the first I have heard of it. But we know that obama is pro-socialized healthcare.
i don't see any problem in a pro-socialized healthcare. it works.
carlos, you're living in a dream world. go to the countries where they have socialized health care. doctors leaving those countries in droves, long lines for routine procedures, people being cut off because they have cost the system too much, essentially being told to go home and die...
spending too much time going back to energy
Carlos, they ration health care. AARP and other senior organizations would go batshit if we had the system you are referring to because the oldsters are the first ones who get cut off. Why do you think the wealthy who live in countries with socialized medicine come to the evil USA? Because socialized medicine is substandard. Tom
good to hear straight talk on ahmadinejad!!
It's like driving past a bad accident ... I shouldn't keep watching this disaster.... but it's just kindof there.
The woman just said "nucular" at least 15 times.
I live in Canada- we have social healthcare. Lines are massive, the quality is low and people are fed up with it. You obviously have never been to a country with this type of system.
She was awesome! This is the Sarah Pallin we fell in love with. (Prayers answered for tonight! Amen.)
Chad, sadly in the u.s. I know two people under age 45 who had cancer but did not get treatment because they had no insurance and no money. Both died a terrible painful death. The hospitals refused treatment to both of them on the basis it was not yet necessary. I know several other people who have serious diseases but are not getting any treatment except for emergency room vists. I wish there were long lines rather than people getting no care and dying needlessly.
Thom,
I suppose that Bill "slick willie" Clinton's cheating on his wife wasn't an error either was it? apologists for the terrorists i tell you.
A regular,
"It's like driving past a bad accident"
???
Were we watching the same debate? Palin was very, very good against Biden. In fact, I wish she had hit him more.
I enjoyed the debate. I'm glad to see a greater variety of topics discussed. Gov. Palin did a good job and seemed to resonate with me.
Did anybody else notice how the moderator told Biden he "did a good job" at the conclusion of the debate? Their microphones were still open at the time and we could hear them over the air. This from the lady that was supposed to be "unbiased".
Domenico Ruggiero,
And was it just me, or did Gwen give more time for statements, and more rebuttals?
...To Biden, I mean.
Thom, Please return to your spiritual home, Moveon.org. Tom
TJM, I don't have anything to do with moveon.
I think there unwritten laws that any politician must not correctly pronounce "Nucular". No one says it rightly. :-D
I don't normally watch the debates, I tend to yell at the TV when someone says something I don't agree with. Thankfully I was watching the debate alone. I like that Palin came across as a "Main Street USA" type of person. She did exceed expectations because the expectations were set low for her, most people know of Joe Biden and what he has to say.
As per the above posts on socialized medicine, as one of many people who does not have health care coverage because of part-time jobs (one work from home as a nanny and one as a Confirmation program director), I can see why people would want socialized medicine, but I can also tell you that my family in Ireland waits months if not years for routine procedures. My father had his hip replaced in less than a month from once he first when to the doctor about it. My uncle waited nearly a year if not more for the same procedure, it might have been close to 2 years, all I remember is how surprised they were that my father's operation had happened so quickly. Yes my dad was covered under medicare and health coverage, but still. Many people in Ireland choose to go "privately" because things get done. Yes, I do think that health coverage for all is an issue that needs to be discussed, but it's not at the top of my list.
Two good, civil debates thus far. This can only be good for the country.
I also found it funny that three commentators on three channels called her folksy (DD Meyers, PBS, & CBS). This will be the new liberal talking point of the week. Folksy = country hick = rube. The knives will be savage next week.
Socialized medicine means paying for all abortions and for contraception and IV and other immoral procedures. I experienced socialized medicine, too, in a European country. Everyone has to pay for it, even if you are poor. What the government may give you in a direct subsidy because of low income is taken out of your pocket somewhere else. In this country we rely too much on interventionist-type medicine instead of actual healing. Bring on proper nutrition and targeted supplements and there would be a steep drop in the demand for medicine. Also, if alternative cancer treatments were offered there would be less need for the expensive cancer treatment industry. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That would leave the hospitals to deal with accidents mainly. Even there there are treatments which are more effective which most hospitals don't offer, but which every major league football team does for its players, such as hypobaric oxygen treatment for quick healing of bones and muscles. All doctors ever do is prescribe antibiotics. Tests are out of the question,since they cost too much. Vaccinations are the only 'preventative'measure pushed. Teh physicians are drug pushers and not healers.
Sarah rocked in the debate.
Thank you, Lord, for answering our prayers.
I loved how she brought up the fact that part of the Wall Street problem was that too many Americans were living with credit, and beyond their means.
Someone needs to say it! Sarah is the first politician I have heard state that truth.
It's not just predatory lenders, it's greedy consumers who spend more than they earn. Both Main Street Americans and Wall Street Americans are at fault for this crisis. No two ways about it.
I also appreciated Sarah's defense of marriage as between one man and one woman only. She didn't spin it, she just spoke about it plainly and humbly.
And as for carlos and his socialist leanings: please emigrate to a socialist country and live there, if you want it. Do not force those of us who want to live according to the ways our Founding Fathers intended, and not as a Nanny State Suckler.
God Bless America!!!
McCain's $5,000.00 annual tax credit for health care is a great idea. It's portable, accessible, and competitive. I heard him talk about it in the first Presidential debate - how can one have missed it?
3 words: Female George Bush
One problem with the debate: only two candidates. How can the real problems be solved (Abortion, the Federal Reserve, Whacked-out foreign policy) if the only points of view we are given are from two very similar parties? the MSM plays a large role in the American electoral process, by controlling the information. This is why net neutrality is a big issue, or should be.
I mean, you can't say that either ticket totally represents your beliefs, can you? And if it does, is it merely because you have had your beliefs formed by the political system designed to keep two parties always in power and the citizens in the dark? Your political views should be formed and informed by your beliefs.
Many issues debated come down to a question of prudential judgement, and politics and religion should not be conflated.
The current crisis was brought about by the fundamental flaws of a government that has long since strayed from the ideal of an American Free Market. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, who were backed and funded (and are not straight up owned) by the Federal Government insured bad loans, which attracted massive amounts of capital that would have otherwise been less inclined to invest in such risky paper. But, hey, if it's backed by the government, why not jump on board?
Sure, Wall Street ran into the bank with the gun; but who do you think drove them there?
If it weren't for the government's intervention and inflating of the markets, we would NOT be in this mess. Therefore, Palin's blaming the "greed on Wall Street" over & over was extremely frustrating and only demonstrates hers & McCain's fundamental flaw in understanding how a successful economy should be run.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/
ful...xprod=permalink
**correction** "now" straight up owned.
To, I think, ftn in houston. About "folksy". The Left may use it perjoratively. (I'm not sure of the context you heard it.) But the U.S. is not Europe. We love folksy. And if that's how McCain and Palin come across then they win the election going away.
bodb I agree that this does come across well for us "hicks". But it is in the spin. One of the commentators was a history professor. The comment was made negatively and somewhat with condescension.
Didn't Jimmah Cahtah come off as folksy (and then go on to win)?
And I just LOVED it when Gov. Palin said "darn".
fh and andy: if we divide candidates into "snooties" (eg, Dewey, Dukakis) and "hicks" (eg, Truman, LBJ), I can think of snooties who beat snooties, and even hicks who beat hicks (if you go back far enough), but no snooties who ever beat hicks. there's a deep streak of popularism in American politics, and it shows there.
Again I agree. I don't see this as a negative, rather as a plus. I'm just saying they will continue to try to make her look dumb and unsophisticated and not vice-presidential material.
To the lib replies:
She has 30,000 employees. She has something greater than intelligence: wisdom. If she had none, she would not be where she is today. If Barack is "qualified" to be president, and he is, at least acknowledge she is qualified to be vice-president.
The fact that the liberal punditry did not seem excited in the their comments about the debate last night tells me she did better than Biden.
I thought the best part was when Biden said something along the lines of you know me I've been in politics for 35 years and I haven't changed and I don't plan on changing and yet his campaign with Obama centers completely and totally around so-called "change."
The liberal punditry is pretty dense, and faux sophisticated. I saw that Katie Couric didn't bat an eye when Senator Biden waxed nostalgic over President Roosevelt going on television in 1929 to calm the American people down over the stock market crash. Either Katie is abysmally ignorant of history (Roosevelt was governor of New York in 1929 and televisions were experimental and had not found their way into American homes) or so vehemently partisan that she did not correct him. I would call that a Dan Quayle moment, but I guess, gaffes are only fatal for Republicans not Democrats. Tom
I experienced socialized medicine, too, in a European country. Everyone has to pay for it, even if you are poor. What the government may give you in a direct subsidy because of low income is taken out of your pocket somewhere else.
The last point is key "is taken out of your pocket somewhere else." We have states in this country that don't have a state income tax. That doestn't necessarily mean you are better off than a state with that tax. They just charge you more in fees or other taxes to compensate for what they don't take via one form.
When I lived in Belgium (socialized medicine) I had these experiences. The wife of a family who had a full-time office job had her income taxed at 80% because she was the second person in a family with a full-time job. The husband of the family I lived with built his house with his brothers. Because he deprived someone else the job of building his house the government lost that income tax it would have taken in from another builder. Hence it lost money to pay for all the social programs. But since the government couldn't really allow that, it taxed my friend on the income lost in relation to what it would have taken in if someone else did the job for him.
Ed Peters make a similar point that was made by Tom Roeser, who writes for the Wanderer and has a web site that is fun to read. tomroeser.com.
The general idea is the media presents people outside of liberalism as "dumb," and everyone can recall how Reagan was the Number One numbskull when he ran against Carter.
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Here's his take on the debate:
Free Sarah Palin.
Now that Ronald Reagan has been installed as a conservative deity and immune from all criticism, few remember his disastrous first debate in 1984 with former vice president Walter F. Mondale. Reagan was 73…one year older than John McCain is now…and rumors dogged him that he was losing it because of advancing age. He validated some of those rumors by putting on the worst debacle of his acting-political career…veering away with controversy…even saying at one point (responding to a bland journalistic question why he didn’t go to church regularly) that the reason was he didn’t want to interrupt church services for everyone else by having the Secret Service tag along. The line was so absurd that it quickly became a staple on late-night monologues.
Years later both Mike Deaver and Ed Meese who were my guests when I taught political science at DePaul gave the identical answers as to the reason. A hugely protective White House staff of handlers had surrounded Reagan…and so worried were they that the Old Actor would make a mistake...they thoroughly drowned him not just with statistics but with admonitions on what not to say. For the next debate with Mondale, it was Nancy Reagan, Deaver said, who finally took matters in hand, had the handlers dismissed and instead mandated that Reagan make a list of a few central points he wanted…starting with the joke that won the day-that he would not make an issue of his opponent’s age (Mondale was 56)!
There is no doubt that a few days after her nomination, Sarah Palen was surrounded by well-meaning but entirely prissy and over-cautious former aides of George W. Bush who cautioned her….cautioned her…gave her verbal lists of what not to say…which thoroughly watered down her refreshing spontaneity. For example, they set as a goal not going to conservative talk radio and Fox television news but to do well on…of all vehicles…Katie Couric’s CBS Evening News! Katie Couric is an articulate instrument of the liberal cause in the media. Palen should not have gotten near Couric until well in the lineup…long after she had got her feet wet on the more acceptable vehicles of the media.
It is obvious Palen behaved like a performer on a high-wire with Couric, refusing even to enumerate the newspapers she reads or doesn’t read. Couric is the national version…although far better skilled in politics…than our local liberal dilettante in politics, Carol Marin who is so cross-eyedly lefty (her idol is Studs Terkel the ancient wealthy lakefront socialist) she cannot judge up from down.
I predicted here after the nomination of Palen which I enthusias
There's a typo in my first line in the above post. It should be: "Ed Peters makes ..."
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And here is the rest of the column from Tom Roeser, which got cut off in the post above.
... I predicted here after the nomination of Palen which I enthusiastically endorsed the campaign by the Democrats and the allied mainstream media to make her appear dumb…the same people who believe all Republican conservatives are dumb-Eisenhower was over the hill and senile when he was president…Goldwater was dumb (until in his dotage he renounced social conservatism and then he was courageous)…Ford was dumb…Reagan was ultra-dumb…G. H. W. Bush was a closeted elitist and hence dumbly isolated from the average guy…his son with a master’s in business administration from Harvard is ultra-dumb…on and on.
So on the eve of the Palen debate, I say Free Sarah Palin. Kick the “moderate” handlers out and let her consult with some people from Alaska who helped her in the first place. Have her go to the debate determined to put Barack Obama…not necessarily Joe Biden…on the defensive. Her reward for winning the debate will be heightened media animosity-but so what? She is probably the only one who can save the election right now for McCain. She and the emergence of Events My Dear Boy serve as the only bastion against defeat which is endemic because of the unpopularity of this president and the economic meltdown.
Ry:
3 words: Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Why do people get so het up about pronouncing it "nucular"? It's not a "wrong" pronunciation; it's a very logical consequence of English pronunciation.
Think about it. "Noo-klee-us" is a relatively simple word to pronounce in some American dialects, because all the syllables are placed fairly differently in the mouth. Yet most people, including scientists, tend to elide the vowel at the beginning of the third syllable, and say something like "noo-klee-iss" or "noo-klee-'s" (sorta like Tokyo people pronouncing "desu" as "des'").
Why? Because English "doesn't like" putting two vowels together. It will either get rid of one by elision, or add an extra sound to keep them apart.
When you get to "nuclear", things get even worse, because you've added the r sound to the mix. R changes things. A lot.
Now, most of our supposedly-educated folks from the East Coast seem to deal with the two-vowel problem by elision. They say, "noo-kleer" or "noo-klee-'r".
Using the other option, many people add a syllable for pronunciation comfort: "nuke-yuh-ler" or "nuke-you-ler". This is the usual strategy in Irish and Scottish Gaelic, and in English speakers pronouncing words like "metre". (We made a sound shift away from "re" to "er" sometime in the shift from Middle English to Modern English. So if you're all hot on correctness and avoiding added sounds, you'd better start pronouncing the current month as "Octobre", not "October".)
Only a very few people ever say "noo-klee-er"; nobody says "noo-klee-arr", which by their lights would be the most correct way.
So if you think "incorrect" pronunciation is a matter for derision, you'd better start with laughing at the anchormen and work your way down through almost everyone. Nobody says it "right". They speak English like natives, instead.
Maureen:
The nitpicking about the pronunciation is elitist. I guess some East Coasters like to pretend that they speak the American version of Queen's English.
I'm from the east coast, by the way, and I pronounce it as "nu-klee-er", but I have no problem with the south's or west's pronunciation.
You say "to-may-to", I say "to-mah-to"... blah blah blah.
It's irrelevant to the election, imho.
Wow, this string has went in 1,000 different directions, lol.
It's more than pronunciation, fellas. One is a word, one isn't. It isn't like pronunciations of "either" or "neither." One is right, one is wrong.
Thom,
I for one would rather hear someone misprounce "nuclear" than one's claim "we and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon."
At the debate last night, Sen. Biden argued that (a) that we had "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon" and (b) he and Obama had suggested sending NATO troops to Lebanon to "fill the vacuum":
Biden at Last Night’s Debate:
When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know — if you don't, Hezbollah will control it." Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.
My question, or rather, questions: Is he on drugs? Exactly when did this kicking occur? Has anyone alerted Sheikh Nasrallah?
And the NATO claim is just a riot. Obviously, there was no vacuum to fill since Hezbollah has only grown in strength in Lebanon since 1983, but has anyone seen something, anything, to support the claim that Biden or Obama wanted NATO in Lebanon — a proposal that would have been wildly controversial and would have made ballistic the hard Left voters they were then bending over backwards to attract?
On the off chance Biden simply misspoke and was actually talking about kicking Syria out of Lebanon, (a) we didn't do that either — they've never stopped operating there, (b) Hezbollah was part of the Lebanese government well before demands for a Syrian pull-out began in 2005, (c) Biden's "fill the vacuum" whopper still makes no sense because Hezbollah retained military control of southern Lebanon regardless of Syria, and (d) again, where is the proof that Biden or Obama wanted NATO to replace Syria — which would have pitted it against Hezbollah and invited a reprise of the 1983 Marine barracks bombing?
"As far as the debate itself, he did have more knowledge of the facts"
I gotta disagree there. When Palin mentioned the troop funding bill that Obama opposed, Biden told an untruth and said that McCain voted for it, too. McCain wasn't even in D.C. at the time. There are more, but I think you get my point. :-)
P.S.
I chuckled when Palin accidentally called McKiernan "McClellan."
Joe Biden lied so many times I lost count.
He told a bald faced lie when he claimed that Barak Obama did not say he would sit down with Ahmadinejad without preconditions. Obama DID say that.
Biden lied when he pretended to be an ordinary American by saying that he is in "Home Depot" all the time, and Katie's Restaurant in Wilmington. Problem is, that restaurant closed 15 years ago. And already some in the press called all the Home Depots in Wilmington and asked if anyone saw Joe there. No one could say yes.
Biden lied when he claimed that Sarah used a windfall profits tax as governor of Alaska. Not true. She reformed the rebate Alaskans receive as a result of energy prices - that's NOT a tax!
So, it's absurd to say that Biden had a command of facts. Indeed, he misled and lied about many things, many times. Frankly, he rambled too much, which made me end up forgetting what question he was answering. He was a bore.
Off Topic, but I wanted to link to this video, "Alpha Omega" here:
http://faustasblog.com/?p=6618
And no, it's not about Jesus. It's about the Golden Calf - Barack Obama.
I am frightened for our country.
I think Sarah Palin did fantastic! She really does animate the pro-life, pro-family base! I put a few things together on her for my blog:
http://salesianity.blogspot.com/...tician-
for.html
God bless!
A friend's 14 year old daughter caught one of the best moments of the debate. After it was over Sarah Palin's family came on stage and Sarah picked up her baby and held him over her shoulder and bounced him up and down just like we moms do at the back of church!
Also Biden lied that Obama does not support homosexual marriage. The DNC platform explicitly does. Michele Obama has come out with supportive remarks for homosexual marriage. Obama opposes California's Proposition 8!
Thanks for the fact checks everyone and the commentary atheling. Hilarious! My mom, who is older than McCain, said the only thing Biden has going for him is his smile. She cracks me up!
Biden looked unnatural to me. I laughed out loud when listening to Limbaugh this afternoon, and he said Biden looked like a Klingon.
There is speculation about botox and Joe Biden, just as there was about John Kerry last election.
But I think Joe was pretty nice to Sarah. I even have the impression that they sort of liked each other in the end. Both seemed to be enjoying the debate.
the liberal,typical Catholic, liberal bishop,pastor,and their liberal catholic politicians, have done more to hurt this country and The Church.they are just a perfect instrument of the devil.
I agree, anonymous. The worst damage comes from within.
For lack of a better word, we need a new "inquisition" - without all the attributed violence, of course, to weed out those who have no business leading a flock - to hell.
Sarah kicked all kinds of money-grubbin' power-mongerin' A$$!
Someday, perhaps in 2012 we'll see a Palin/Ingraham ticket...e.g.
MAGNUM PI : )
Susie:
Palin/Jindal!!!
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