Fox News is beyond shameful.
Well, Fox definitely didn't go easy on him, even though it's the station of religious bigots and I would think they would like Pastor.
Now if Hillary said of Ferraro, " If somebody makes a mistake, then obviously, you recognize I make mistakes. We all make mistakes," like Obama just said of the bigoted pastor, would that fly?
If she added "But, obviously, they are ones that are, from my perspective, completely unacceptable and inexcusable," then yes, that would have been fine.
"Bigoted pastor"? What exactly is so bigoted about any of his statements?
The personal attacks on Clinton were completely out of line but there wasn't anything bigoted about them.
Most of the comments that are supposed to be so terrible are things that anyone with a social conscience should agree with: if you've never said "God damn America" you've obviously not been paying attention to what our country does in our name.
Grendel- it was that the pastor said that Hillary didn't have to work twice as hard to be respected,essentially negating the massive sexism that's been hurled at her for 16+ years. To flat out deny it was bigoted.
You want to talk bigotry, why is this "news" while McCain's and Clinton's extreme right wing white evangelical ties are ignored? Why is this "news" while every single goddamned Republican in office is promoted from the pulpit by gay bashing Jesus freaks (despite laws against doing so)?
Why is Obama supposed to denounce Wright and Ferrakhan while McCain is let of the hook for Hagee and Parsley and Clinton is never even asked about The Fellowship?
Hmmm, what difference is there between Wright and those fundamendalist assholes...?
Barack Obama has been a member of this anti-white, anti-American church for over twenty years. His wife, Michelle, attends every Sunday with their two children. Barack Obama has received so many passes just because he's black.
Grendel, I'm not sure what planet you live on, but in the real world: Clinton doesn't have any right right evangelical ties. McCain has endorsements from the right wing nuts, but that IS NOT THE SAME THING as being a member of a radical church, giving money to a radical church, and having a wife and children who attends the racical church every Sunday.
Obama's church hates white people. Obama's church hates the USA.
Obama's church hates white people! A good Dixiecrat would be working on some firebombs about now.
Obama's church hates white people. Obama's church hates the USA.
Give me a fucking break. Has anyone suggested that the overwhelmingly white churches that blamed 9-11 on liberalism hate the USA? No? That's because we live in a racist society.
Also, what happened to the rest of Shakesville? I can only see a tiny corner.
Clinton doesn't have any right right evangelical ties.
Not true. Clinton is an honorable candidate, and far, far better than the prospect of McCain on any number of issues, but she most definitely does have ties to the far right evangelical group The Fellowship:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/...rys-
prayer.html
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2...2003/03/
0079525
She is a member of a secretive senate prayer group with the likes of Tom Coburn:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/2...1/green-
hillary
http://
hotlineblog.nationaljourn..._clinton_4.html
The point is simply that the press demands Obama denounce black religious leaders while completely ignoring the other candidates ties to religious extremists, which I'm sure is completely unrelated to race.
If most of the people complaining about Wright were doing it from Red Queen's perspective, that'd be one thing.
But that's not what's happening. Anything Wright said about Clinton is incidental - it's the "anti-white" and "anti-American" angles that give this story legs.
When I see lines like this "Obama: I won't say that I was a perfect attendee. I was regular in spurts . . . " I can't help thinking that this is a man who has his churchgoing in the typical (minor) place in his life where most American men place it. I can't help thinking that he was dozing or thinking about the White Sox on the occasions when he was sitting in a pew.
If politicians are going to be held responsible for the opinions of their ministers (on the left or the right), then they should all just become agnostics now.
jfpbookworm- true. But sexism doesn't sell. I think beating Obama over religion is disingenuous at best and I think it's pretty hateful what is being done to him. That said, Obama needs to come clean about condoning sexism in his campaign and apologize.
his pastor is right out of the 60's.
that was the retoric then, the way a lot of movements sounded wether they were anti-war,radical civil rights or fledgling feminists. so i guess that pastor's rant didn't shock me as much as some others.
i'm not saying that pastor was "right on" i'm just saying that just shows his age.
no excuses, just an explantaion.
go back and find speeches by yippies and hippies and the black panthers and anti-war leaders others.
you will see.
We all knew it would come to this, though, didn't we? When being a "person of faith" became a litmus test for the presidency, it was inevitable that being a "person of the right faith" would soon follow.
I'm sure Obama will be called upon again (and again, and again...) to disavow Wright...I hope that next time he will simply point out the obvious: every person we know says things we do not agree with. If that was a normal basis for exclusion for most people, we'd all be hermits.
True Blue, they should all just become agnostics now.
I second that, ha. Or not even agnostic, but hey, leave faith and religion firmly out of the political discourse, kthxbai. Separation of church and state, anybody?
Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. I am not sure whether pastor Wright is right or wrong to feel this way. The problem is that whether his discourse was racist or not, it sure was one full of hatred. And there is no excuse for hatred. Also, as it has been mentioned above, it goes against everything Obama is supposed to stand for.
And you will have to pardon me for not buying the idea that these comments came out of the blue. That level of hatred doesn't spurt over night. On the contrary, if we accept the justification that the pastor feels like that because of what he endured in the 60s, then we need to accept the fact that this was probably his position ever since.
And since these weren't his first controversial comments, why is Obama still atteding his church again?
On a not so particularly rightie messageboard somewhere, I saw a point made by someone:
" Think about Obama's kids, OK? Their mother comes out and says that she was never proud of America until her hubby ran, and their pastor is this guy. You might not believe that Obama bought his rhetoric, but the kids? They are kids, they will eat it with the big spoon. The righties will come out and yell that Obama can't even be trusted to raise his kids to love America, so how is he qualified to be president?"
I am not a fan of this rhetoric, but I am afraid that I can see it coming at general elections time.
As much as I would liek to try and understand how someone can give Wright and Obama a pass on the hatred, I can't. It is understandable when we do accept the soft gloves treatment Obama has generally received from the media, but not everyone accepts that.
And frankly? the argument "Wright is entitled to think liek that because of the racism of white people ( in the 60's and 70's) is bullshit. Being oppressed is not a get out of jail free card to spew venom and bile. I have seen Holocaust survivors, including in my family, who didn't have that sort of an attitude towards those who killed so many of their blood and almost managed to kill them. My nana, who had been at Birkenau for 2 years, told me that hatred is soul cancer and that no one can afford to respond to hatred with hatred.
Every group who's not white and anglo saxon has been oppressed at a certain point or another. Some of them for a lot longer than the African americans. How many of these groups have this attitude?
I am sorry, but I am not buying.
no one person can speak for every person in that group. this pastor is just speaking for himself. i'm sure there are people that feel like him, others don't.
i had a monsignor at my catholic church who was a biggioe in the diocese and a fav of the bishop at the time.
he was also a first class dick. we had more than our share of them in that parrish.
this man actually stopped the mass because a mentally handicapped girl(sweet girl, she had the mental age of about 5 or 6)the girl was with her family and was fidgeting a little but because she was bigger you could see her fidget.
the monsignor as i wrote, stooped the mass and told her family to remove her
from the mass.
he was, a dick.
now, since he and some others were at my parrish, should i have to answer from them?
or for some relitives of mine that have been less than upstanding citizens? hope not, cause if i do i couldn't aspire to anything.
and the 60's were a different time.
we'll see how some of the things said here sound to people 30 years from now if some of us still hold to our ideas that we have now.
in the meantime, we as democrats are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and mccain is chuckling and the oilmen are dancing and planning...
typos, sorry.
I referred to Pastor Wright as a bigot, earlier, not because of his recent sexist comments but because of his comments in general: "Wright is quoted offering praise of Farrakhan 'as one of the giants of the African American religious experience' and also praised Farrakhan's 'integrity and honesty.'" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Jer...Jeremiah_Wright The sexist comments just add more ickiness. I don't doubt that his feelings are valid - but I don't think they're healthy.
It's not about the pastor. If Obama's THEOLOGY is seen for what it is the election is lost. See:
http://miraclesdaily.blogspot.com/
"Give me a fucking break. Has anyone suggested that the overwhelmingly white churches that blamed 9-11 on liberalism hate the USA? No? That's because we live in a racist society."
well, i have......
remember they also blamed it on gays, and tolerance.
they DO hate the USA.
fuck 'em.
hey xtian "prophet" nice link.
"OUR CONSERVATIVE SPIRIT
VS. THE INSANE FANTASIES OF MODERN "LIBERALISM""
hey sorry, i stopped reading there. i don't waste my time on shit puked up by morons. my bad....
Jesus was a liberal, you are a conservative. you do the math.
Hey, Christian Profit, who are you to condemn his "theology?" Do you even know what the word means?
this was an outrageous "interview," more akin to a prosecutor's interrogation of witness.
now it's on tape and the swiftboating can begin with those who will rise up from the pews of the church and say "he was there! he was! and he heard it and did nothing" and that will be that.
did i say i was depressed? my fucking party, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory every time.
this was an outrageous "interview," more akin to a prosecutor's interrogation of witness.
no, it wasn't. not even close. or would you prefer that all the media went the way of tucker "keep the powerful happy with me" carlson.
seriously, obama needs to get used to the difficult questions. because once he is the nominee, the msm won't have hrc to go after anymore, and they will turn on him. he MUST be prepared for this.
The problem with Fox' interview is that all of their questions are legitimate.
Obama was not cut slack the way he is used to. That is all. The fact that Fox News can go after Obama without even having to stretch things out tells me ALL I need to know.
Obama is not entitled to have the press be nice to him.
And frankly? the argument "Wright is entitled to think liek that because of the racism of white people ( in the 60's and 70's) is bullshit.
Does the ongoing racism today give him a pass then? The fact that you seem to discount the ongoing problem of racism makes me question your, well, purity of heart on this matter.
no one is intitled to racism.
but, i have to take into account his age and the times he grew up in.
what he said is wrong, but i can understand why he thinks that way.
The "Well, it wasn't so bad" attitude of some of the comments here is shameful. Jeremiah Wright doesn’t preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. He preaches victimhood, loathing for America, and hate and distrust for white people. What kind of church is this? What does this tell us of our eagerness to embrace a black candidate just because he’s black? If the situation were reversed, a white candidate with this type of “spiritual advisor” would be finished.
Barack Obama either has ideologically similar views as Jeremiah Wright or he is unbelievably naïve. Either way, he is not suitable to be the President of the United States.
Barack Obama either has ideologically similar views as Jeremiah Wright or he is unbelievably naïve. Either way, he is not suitable to be the President of the United States.
Do you hold John McCain to the same standard for John Hagee's comments? And Rev. Parsley?
Mustang Bobby, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL. Hagee and Parsley, as reprehensible as they both are, have endorsed McCain. Jeremiah Wright is Obama's spiritual advisor. He baptized Obama's two children. He presided over Obama's wedding. He is Obama’s personal friend and confident.
The pastor of my husband's church married me to my hubby, and he goes on at length sometimes about how the southern churches are so good and how people should vote republican and such trash. Hubby doesn't agree, and neither do I. Hubby goes there for the community and to hear an inspiring speech once in awhile, and always comes home crabby if the rev is getting all southern on us. I don't particularly agree with ANY of the rev's beliefs, and never go.
Just because the rev says something, doesn't mean the congregation agrees, and also doesn't mean the congregation is willing or able to fire the rev.
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