|
|
|
depends on the definition of leading.
matt |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 11:20 am | #
|
|
Um, in this situation I think it's pretty clear: He's doing it and no one else is. Kind of like how Edwards lead when he apologized for his war authorization vote.
Analogcabin |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 2:58 pm | #
|
|
look, i get that you're a fan boy. fine. but releasing your taxes is hardly leadership because it's inconsequential. when something this small sets off your "leadership" detector, it's time to recalibrate.
related, have you read the new yorker profile?
matt |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 3:14 pm | #
|
|
Not sure about Spoony, but I read the New Yorker profile. What did you think, Matt? I thought it was pretty great. Also, I think the host of this esteemed site has a pretty good point regarding this tax issue. Isn't everyone pretty much sick of the behind-closed-doors nonsense of this administration? So, yeah, he's only releasing his taxes. It's not a huge gesture but it's a significant one. I've got to admit that, based on your comments to this blog, I'm a little confused as to what your beef with the Obama Mama is.
Craig Harman |
05.16.07 - 3:38 pm | #
|
|
>I thought it was pretty great.
of course you did. maybe the part where the author described the need to compromise as obama's tic slipped past you. maybe it doesn't trouble you. maybe you don't know what it means. this is my (main, but one of many ) beef with him. though i've written about my distaste for obama on several occasions, no one has been able to make a case for why reflexive compromise is a quality we should seek out in our next nominee.
the spoonbender is of course free to post whatever he wants here, and this blog, a few years back, used to be a source of amusement for me. but let's face it: this is his third post this month, so clearly he thought this was a big deal. it may be commendable, but it's hardly worthy of being used as an example of "leadership."
matt |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 3:55 pm | #
|
|
maybe the part where the author described the need to compromise as obama's tic slipped past you.
I don't understand that comment. I liked the article because I like most New Yorker articles. That's why I subscribe to it. It was a glimpse into the life of a candidate and revealed why he may not be up for the job. How he is, in a lot of ways, sort of an atypical Presidential candidate.
Anyway, "the need to compromise as obama's tic slipped past you" doesn't seem like English to me.
Craig Harman |
05.16.07 - 4:00 pm | #
|
|
"maybe the part where the author described the need to compromise as obama's tic slipped past you."
what language does this semm like to you?
matt |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 4:07 pm | #
|
|
what language does this semm like to you?
I guess it semms like you're drunk.
Craig Harman |
05.16.07 - 4:09 pm | #
|
|
typo = drunk.
obama supporter = clearly incapable of getting past being starstruck, much less offering a compelling real-world case for their crush. pathetic.
matt |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 4:12 pm | #
|
|
Matt, do you remember the saying "Half a billion Elvis fans can't be wrong"? Well, there are a lot of different reasons why people like Elvis. And there are a lot of people in America who like Obama, who are hopeful of the things he could do in office. He has potential. Now, everyone knows he's a bit of a gamble. He has a tendency to drift toward discussion and compromise instead of clearly defined positions and vociferous proclamations. Personally, I can say that I like Obama because even though I don't know where he stands on every issue, I really like the way he approaches politics and policy and I feel confident that, when faced with the difficult daily decisions of being President, he would make good ones. Most of the time. And, to be honest, that's all I can hope for in a President. That being said, I'm sure that the reasons why other people like Obama are different from mine. To paint us all with the same brush is disingenuous and, it seems to me, oddly defensive. I don't think that Barack Obama is going to save us all from Hell and damnation, and I think that there are candidates who would make better Presidents (namely, Richardson and, if he ran, Gore).
Also, I still have no idea what you were trying to say about Obama's tic. Does he keep his tic in his pocket, or does he carry it in a briefcase?
Craig Harman |
05.16.07 - 4:24 pm | #
|
|
"Matt, do you remember the saying "Half a billion Elvis fans can't be wrong"? Well, there are a lot of different reasons why people like Elvis."
wtf is this, debate club for morons? percent of the country who voted for bush in 2004: ~51. percent of obama support among those polled today: 25-30 out of a much smaller universe. and your argument is that large groups of people can't be wrong? ffs.
and seriously, if you don't understand what a tic is, then you didn't fully understand the new yorker article. i don't know what else to say other than THE AUTHOR USED THOSE WORDS EXACTLY.
matt |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 4:32 pm | #
|
|
I understand what a tic is. I don't understand how you used it.
and your argument is that large groups of people can't be wrong? ffs.
No, silly. My argument is that Elvis rocks!!
Matt, you seem like a really nice fella. I'd like to close tonight's debate with a quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson, whom I think we can all agree was one of America's great intellectual minds and, on top of that, just a decent chap.
"Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense."
Be happy tomorrow, Matt!
Craig Harman |
05.16.07 - 4:36 pm | #
|
|
Matt: At this point, all I want to do is knock your fucking teeth out of your mouth. Please let me know how and when we can make that happen. I'd be happy to make the trip up to you.
Analogcabin |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
|
|
i'd rather you make an intelligent argument in support of your crush, but i can be found in the lovely city of san francisco california turs-thurs and the slightly less lovely city of san bruno fri-mon. any time, any place.
matt |
05.16.07 - 6:38 pm | #
|
|
I didn't get the point of the tic "argument" either, it's OK to like a political candidate, and fighting is for people who haven't fought very much.
We all remember what happened that time Axl Rose fought the guy from Poison, right?
dale |
Homepage |
05.16.07 - 7:18 pm | #
|
|
Matt: So should I just wander around SF looking for the guy wearing the "insufferable prick" t-shirt?
Dale: I've been in my share of scraps, and something tells me not to sweat this one much.
And, fuck, I've made argument after argument about why I prefer Obama to the rest of the field. But I eventually got that it's pointless to do with someone who holds nothing higher than refusal to compromise. Go try for yourself at 1115.org, get banned from commenting, or be called a "fan boy." Matt has a chip on his shoulder about Obama for whatever reason, and that's fine, but maybe I have a chip on my shoulder about being called a fan boy. And maybe that's why I feel the need to put myself at the extreme risk of prowling the mean streets of San Francisco trying to find the guy who looks like he just pryed his way out of a high school locker.
Releasing your tax returns is important because it reveals every source of income specifically, and should shine light on every potential financial conflict of interest. For example, it might reveal image deflating things like John Edwards' ties to Fortress Investment Group, or worse.
But I really don't give a shit anymore. Matt, if you see a black pickup with "Obama 08" and "California Rifle and Pistol Association" stickers on it, wave.
Analogcabin |
Homepage |
05.17.07 - 8:26 am | #
|
|
hilarious. if you're actually serious, by all means, email me for my address. I won't answer the email because I am a big pussy.
get banned from commenting? like who? anyone who irritates me and who, god forbid, is a republican?
i love my little fiefdom. i can't wait to go home tonight and watch "sex in the city". i can think of nothing better than a warm cup of tea.
i feel disdain for everyone outside of the bay area, and know in my heart that anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. since that's true, why compromise?
the fact that my comments are edited by the siteowner drives me crazy, but not as crazy as the opening theme from sex in the city. btw, i love to make jokes about man-crushes, but call my a homophobe and i'll be disowned by my roommates.
matt |
Homepage |
05.17.07 - 10:35 am | #
|
|
wow. that's totally out of line.
matt |
Homepage |
05.17.07 - 12:16 pm | #
|
|
What's going on? Things are no longer making sense.
Craig Harman |
05.17.07 - 12:33 pm | #
|
|
Ooh, will you edit my comments too? Make me sound like a pirate who likes Jon Secada. Here I'll write something...
I used to like this blog.
Okay, now edit it and make it funny!
matt tobey |
Homepage |
05.18.07 - 7:55 am | #
|
|
And you don't like it anymore?
I'm going to have to do some soul-searching, I guess.
Analogcabin |
Homepage |
05.18.07 - 9:08 am | #
|
|
Less soul-searching, more comment-editing!
matt tobey |
Homepage |
05.18.07 - 9:40 am | #
|
|
Hi guys!
You know why I like Obama? Because he's charismatic and he's black, and if there's one thing this country needs right now, it's a charismatic black president. I mean that whole heartedly. It sends a message to America and to the rest of the world. What we need is a good spokesman, and he seems, to me, like the far and away top choice.
Beyond that, he seems just as competent as anyone else. What I don't understand is why anyone would hate him (nor do I care).
Rob |
Homepage |
05.29.07 - 11:46 pm | #
|
|
I agree that we need a charismatic black president; I just happen to think it should be Fred "Mwandishi" Thompson.
Ian |
Homepage |
05.30.07 - 9:51 am | #
|
|
So, wait...someone breaks balls a little, and the site owner wants to come assault him, over some words?
Is that what Obama would do?
I think not.
Darth Bacon |
Homepage |
08.17.07 - 12:26 am | #
|
|
|
Commenting by HaloScan
|