It's worse than speculation, xymph, it is deliberate muddying of the waters.
Notice that James Petras was unable to get this item into CounterPunch, his usual outlet.
Just stating that "Flemming Rose" (their inverted commas) is a "Ukrainian Jew", without providing the slightest corroboration, such as for instance his real name, is deliberately bringing the whole question into disrepute.
Flemming Rose is probably not part of a zionist conspiracy. He is a man with a very liberalistic conviction. To justify the publication of the cartoons he is turning it all into a veritable crusade for freedom of speech. The prime minister goes along with this, perhaps because he made the blunder of misinterpreting the letter from the 11 ambassadors. They did actually not demand legal action against Jyllandsposten and/or the cartoonists, but that was the way the PM read the letter. Now the PM is trying to get out of this fix by attacking both Big Business and the political left that have been critical from different angles of the publication of the cartoons.
But Petras is right in Israel perhaps having an interest in the whipping up of the islamophobic cartoons campaign, as it puts muslims in a bad light and strengthens the "forces of moderation and reason".
In Denmark the right wing islamophobic populist People's Party is surging ahead in polls. It constitutes the parliamentary basis of Fogh Rasmussen's conservative-liberal government. Due to the polls this government has solidified its position considerably. It is expected that the DPP will move into government positions after the next election.
Well, asking whether someone is "part of a conspiracy" is always a bit unwise. It's better to ask whether they are "part of a consensus", and he definitely is part of a consensus, involving such well-known personalities as Daniel Pipes. The aim of this "consensus" is to convince the western public and its political élite that Muslims are basically savages and should be treated as such.
However, whether he is a "Ukrainian Jew" is quite another question, on which I would not accept the undocumented allegation of James Petras or anyone else. Recall if you can the persistent assertions that Israel Shamir is "really" a Swedish fascist named Jöran Jermas ...
Gideon Levy, star reporter for the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz (19/02/06) records Dov Weissglas, advisor to the Israeli Prime Minister, jokingly telling top officials “Its (the economic blockage – which may include electricity and water, as well as food) like an appointment with a dietician. The Palestinians will get a lot thinner but won’t die.” The Israeli officials “rolled with laughter”.
Haw, haw, haw. Did the pig really say this?
At the Congress of his political party, the Conservatives, in September 2005, the Danish minister of culture Brian Mikkelsen started a new phase of his "cultural campaign" for "Danish values" by saying:
"In the middle of our country - our own country - a parallel community is developing, where minorities are practising medieval norms and undemocratic ways of thinking. This we cannot accept. Here we have the new front in the cultural battle".
Jyllandsposten and culture editor Flemming Rose are following up on that. Jyllandsposten is a conservative newspaper. In the 1930's it expressed sympathy with Danish Nazis. But it is not a conspiracy. Danish Jews are probably not involved in any way. Nor are the Mossad.
You may say,it is a "consensus" of the Danish right, which has regrettably become quite mainstream with the rise of the Danish People's Party. An insidious islamophobia, that is being turned into a chivalrous battle for freedom of speech by Juste and Rose.
Tuesday NOvember 8th
http://postmanpatel.blogspot.com...ing-
voices.html
Ina review of press reports of the Pris riots linked to ;
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php...s.php3?
id=92475
Muslim Riots Break Out in Denmark As Well
19:26 Nov 06, '05 / 4 Cheshvan 5766
(IsraelNN.com) As Muslim riots spread across France, Denmark is also beginning to see its own Islamic Intifada. In Arhus, Denmark, young Muslims were heard chanting, “This land belongs to us!”
A masked spokesman for the rioters told Danish reporters that Muslims were tired of being oppressed and harassed and warned the police to stay away. "This is our area. We rule this place,” he said.
The riots have increased following a cartoon in Danish paper The Jyllands Pos involving Mohammed. Rocks and firebombs have become commonplace in many neighborhoods and firefighters are afraid to enter them to put out the fires.
Zionust PR conspiracy ... well they were certainly at work pretty quickly.
There really does appear to be an international Zionist PR conspiracy to paint Arabs and Muslims in a bad light, and it would be a great victory for truth and justice if we could start to turn over a few rocks.
I don't mean to be rude but - duuuuuhh!
The French have a saying, a sexist, misogynist, cynical expression of weary resignation that is invoked when looking for the cause of a tragedy or disaster: "Cherchez la femme" (look for the woman). The saying has become notorious over time, and crossed the Atlantic and found expression in, for instance, American film noir of the mid-20th century.
Now I'm starting to think that we should revise the saying for use with conspiracy theorists. Whenever some international disaster occurs, or terrorist attack, or assassination, or provocation, perhaps we should immediately "cherchez le juif" (look for the Jew). It could become a rallying cry for conspiracy theorists, as it seems already to be their only operating philosophy.
Lots of sensible reactions in the above comments against the 1-bit I/O B/W Good/Evil mentality.
For those of us who living in a rich and complex reality and who try to make sense of it all, there is something surrealistic about the talents of Dan Brown, er..., sorry, Petras and Eastman-Abaya. It's like coming from the immense complexity of the jungle and being taken on a tour at a zoo by people who have not a clue that there is a plant world out there, and who are also convinced that Darwinism or Creationism are the explanation to all animal behaviour. Which results in their missing a substantial portion of what the symbiosis of animal and plant life are about.
Searches on the Net after Rose's alledged Ukrainian Jewish origins all seem to repeat verbatim an article on Wikipedia in English. A search in Danish gives no result. Nobody here has heard of that either. As said in comments I've posted here earlier, there are Jews all across the political spectrum, or whatever goes as such in Denmark.
Muslim riots in Denmark? Bullshit.
Yes my dear Qûr Tharkasdóttir and coe : as usual the zionists jews are completely innocents of the crimes whom they are the main if not the only beneficiaries... Just telling the crude facts is now labelled "conspiracy theories" especially if you dare to mention the holy name of "JEW".
Stop fooling us : we just don't buy your lies any more.
Rose is a Herzl worshipper as are his cohorts who published the cartoons in the other EU states. He was told by his master Pipes to discredit the Akum
Julian and jr, your comments betray both ignorance and a rush to judgment, if not fanaticism, and do a grave disservice to your cause, whatever it may be (hating Jews, I presume).
The ”conspiracy” story was started by Palestinian Authority ambassador to the US Afif Safiyeh. To the CNN program “Late Edition” he said in mid February that it was started by the “Likud party’s global contacts” working behind the scene to get the mainly Christian Western societies to collide with Islam. Wolf Blitzer asked if this was a joke. But Safiyeh answered that the Danish editor who had originally published the drawings – he had probably Flemming Rose in mind – was a fan of right wing Jewish American column writer Daniel Pipes, and the two had in common taken the initiative to print the cartoons.
It is more or less a fabricated story. If Rose was really under that kind of influence he would not have much of a chance of a career in Danish media.
The false opposition being formed here is itself a propaganda construct, namely either "Flemming Rose is a Ukrainian Jew" or "Flemming Rose is not a zionist at all". The facts suggest he is the latter (e.g. his relationship with Daniel Pipes which he himself admits to) but he is not the former.
The fact that Flemming Rose is fascinated with Piper does not turn him into a zionist. There is no logical call for demonizing the man. He rode the wave of creeping islamophobia in Denmark, when he was a cultural editor. He is a fundamentalist concerning freedom of speech, - especially when a minority group like the muslims is the victim. If the same kind of blasphemy had been used on Jews, it would probably have been stopped.
Jyllandsposten is a conservative paper. But apart from that Rose is probably not part of any international conspiracy.
The conspiracy theory makes it easier to define the enemy, but it is false analysis.
The cant term "conspiracy theory" makes it easier to dismiss the obvious, but it is, as I already said once in this thread, a straw man argument and completely beside the point.
The Petras and Eastman-Abaya piece is patently nonsense. 'Flemming Rose' (I adore the quotation marks) is a ordinary Danish name, nothing weird about that. Ukranian jew?!? LOL! Denmark is an inbred, tribal society, the sligthest foreingness would be nailed instantly if this was the case. And how the f... would a couple of rabid tinfoil antisemites know what the Danish intelligence told the PM? The Danish Security Council is about the only state institution that doesn't leak like a sieve.
CD: I agree with you 99% But what exactly is the islamophobia-thing you are referring to? The overwhelming majority of Danes are (or rather was) rabidly indifferent towards Islam, hard nosed atheists to a man, they don't give a shit about Islam or about any other religion. We don't like arabs surely, don't like brown foreigners much, but it has nothing to do with religion, it's just ordinary racism. I think only religious people can be afraid of systematic superstition. You might as well berate Danes for Santa Claustrophobia. The only church in Denmark where the pews are filled on Sundays, is the one where the vicar openly declares that he does not believe in God. Islamophobia... LOL! What's there to be afraid of? It's been four of five weeks, and still they haven't managed to kill a single Dane. Pussies!
This debacle has been an eye opener for me concerning what is the appropriate level of internet-sceptiscism and in the future I'll be much more dilligent in corroborating. Some of the stories about Flemming Rose are genuine knee-slappers but Petras and Eastman-Abaya takes the price.
Erik.
You're right to describe it as racism against Arabs or people with brown skin,more than islamophobia. On the other hand, quite a few Danes are skeptical - or not knowable about - what islam really is. And they're afraid of the fundamentalist variant of it.
Erik and CD,
The whole issue of religiosity vs. the absence thereof in the country we all three seem to live in could take pages of philosophical discussion, certainly interesting, but maybe out of place here.
For our friends out there, it's worth noting that the national-socialist and islamophobic Danish People's Party is openly and noisily pro-Israel. So is Fini's Alleanza Nazionale (who had to get rid of founding Duce grand-daughter for that purpose), although in a rather more cultured manner. But that stands in stark contrast with Saddam-lover Jörg Haider. It would be interesting to know about the inclinations of those in Haider's party who have been unhappy about him. While I was pondering about all this, and thinking of adding Jew- and Arab-hating Le Pen to Haider, I just read the news that the Front National people are coming out of their rat holes and joining the demonstrations against "anti-semitism" in France, following the highly mediatised murder of a young Jewish man a few days ago.
I think we cannot be in doubt that some informal alliances ("objective", one used to say in the old days) are taking place between the xenophobic extreme-right and zionistic Jewish associations.
Qûr, that has been going on for a while. Consider Antwerp.
I've never looked at it in depth, Rowan, but yes, you're probably right on that one.
More entertainment. According to the Danish National Broadcast's correspondant in Moscow - a Dane renowned for displaying not so few prejudices in favour of all things western and against Russians in general - some Russian media and websites now claim that the cartoons affair was spinned up by no less than... the KGB! You see, Flemming Rose used to work as a correspondant in Moscow and is said to have married the daughter of some big shot at the KGB. Explains it all, of course.
And what is the point supposed to be about this sneaky intervention of our friendly Russians in the world's affairs? Easy: eastern Christian dog joins forces with western Christian dog to hound Muslim pig. That is fun clashing conspirationism.
Really? He is married to the daughter of a KGB man? Does the story give any names?
"Just the facts, ma'am"
--Sgt Joe Friday, in 'Dragnet'.
I wasn't fast enough. It was on the radio, a one-time "news" flash, with the usual lack of in-depth considerations + the characteristically condescending tone of this particular reporter (like, "Hear the good joke those stupid Russians have concocted").
Try Russians blogs...
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