There are some wonderfully flakey comments attached to the latest Fisk article at ICH:
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle12865.htm
Thanks for the AP clarification.
http://thezionazireport.org/
zion...nazi_banned.htm
tee hee ... Marissa Mayer, who runs Google News, referred to “zionazi” as a “degrading, hateful slur.”
Former Military Chief: Keep West Bank
By Ori Nir, Forward, April 28, 2006
http://www.forward.com/articles/7710
[this is 'Bugi' lining up for leadership of the Likud, I guess. For a really crap video of IDF brass singing a little song for his retirement, download here (30MB) :
http://www.idf.il/media/
Moshe_Mo...e_MosheClip.wmv - RB]
WASHINGTON — Moshe Yaalon, the recently retired chief of staff of the Israeli military, is a kibbutznik from a Labor movement background. But in sharp contrast to the retired military men entering the next Knesset, Yaalon is the rare, and arguably most important, retired Israeli general to publicly oppose unilateral Israeli withdrawals from the West Bank and Gaza.
Yaalon, who in many circles is credited as the military leader most responsible for Israel's success in curbing Palestinian terrorism in the past few years, has made his opposition known in recent months in a series of speeches and publications in Israel and the United States. The former chief of staff has harshly criticized the two-state solution as unviable and chastised Israeli leaders for offering "illusions" to the public. He laments what he describes as widespread combat-fatigue among Israelis and says Israel must come to grips with many more years of needing to occupy the West Bank...
Yes Xymph, you have smartly categorized the argumentation against the Israeli Lobby in six points recently. The first four is basically childish fallacies, for the purpose of intimidating the sheeple a la Dershowitz.
The only coherent argumentation is coming from Chomsky and his ilk, from the Academic Left, so those are the real intellectual powers, who provide cover for Israel.
Erratum:
...against the essay 'Israeli Lobby"...
... and the Chomsky analysis is based on the notion that corporations (rather than banks) rule. This is just an update of the marxian misconception, which targets the visible exploiter and ignores the invisible one.
I agree, R.B.
Chomsky cleverly replaces an easily identifiable group such as AIPAC and the 'Israeli Lobby., with abstract and generalized notions, such as 'American imperial', or 'Capitalist class-interests' and so on. It's a cunning shift of emphasis and not too easy, to argue against it.
Definitely a 'mile high' above in sophistication over propagandist bully-boy, Dershowitz's argumentation.
American pastors like Paula White, Perry Stone, and Steve Munsey are telling their "flock" they will be blessed by "celebrating the Jewish holidays"
God is dead...and now he's running the United States.
John Ralston Saul
NYT Query: House of Rep + Sanctions + Iran (Zero)
WaPo AP online: House Backs Tighter Iranian Sanctions
The bill is H.R. 282
Here's a good one for weekend R&R DoD pimps. (linked from the Zero NYT Query)
There is a tremendous amount of lying about Chomsky's position.
Yes, Lewis. I wonder why? I think people are fed up with the access that AIPAC gave to those whose ideas about American welfare are non-existent. So there's a little bit of suspicion about internationalism at the moment, in reaction to the perceived threat of coming loose at the seams with endless wars for the good of mankind.
I myself recently spoke with a Russian-Israeli-American professor who is a "rootless cosmopolite", and she was naive enough to say to me with a shrug, "So, so what if America ceases to exist. These things happen in history." I wasn't so ready to give up my home court advantage, and I got pretty annoyed with her.
I hope this "fosters" a dialog, coz.
For DoD pimps and clown punchers on a permanent sex holiday in Cambodia:
http://ce399.typepad.com/
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http://ce399.typepad.com/
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OT, but not quite:
read this:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...ticle%
2FPrinter
Xymph, get a hold of yourself.
be responsible and don't be so emotional.
It's true about Uris though. I was brought up on his stories of heroic Zionists and animalistic primitive Arabs. His type of work plays to American prejudices on so many levels. Even when you learn that what you were taught about Israel isn't true, it's very difficult to shake off that worldview of Israelis-good Arabs-bad when you've been bombarded with it for as long as you can remember.
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H.R. 282
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/qu...p/~c109CVgjsd::
US will invade, because She's_a_ Nasi
http://bodazey.com/MODELS/MIRIAM...I/
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American prejudices were constructed at a childhood level by Hollywood Westerns. Conversely, Israeli settlers more and more present themselves visully and discursively as pioneer frontier families in terms of Hollywood westerns. Listen to Israel radio, watch Israeli TV; it's obvious (n.b. - look at the women and children).
One would hardly know that the IAEA Report on Iran contains no positive accusations against Iran - it hasn't been published and it isn't on the IAEA website. It is only eight pages in length and, as with the old Iraq reports, the worst thing it can say is that 'we can't prove there isn't a hidden weapons program'. The fact that ElBaradei is prepared to say such meaningless things as 'we can't prove they don't have a secret program' illustrates his slavish nature.
Meanwhile - distractions for idiots - the contrived immigration scare!
Bush attacks the Hispanic Spangled Banner
By Alec Russell, Daily Telegrpah (London), 9/04/2006
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...04/29/
wus29.xml
[President Bush: 'I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English' - I think people who want to remain president should learn grammar - RB]
President George W Bush led American conservatives in condemning a new Spanish version of America's national anthem and declared that Latino immigrants should learn the English version.
"One of the important things here is that we not lose our national soul," the president said during a press briefing.
"I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English, and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English."
-- the purpose of this contrived scare is to destroy the popular appeal of the Left, which will cooperate in its usual moronic way by insisting that the USA should be colonised and ruled, in the name of social justice, by carefully selected queer Hispanic anarcho-leftist ability-challenged paragons.
"Mr. Corman offered six measures to counter al Qaeda's media savvy. He recommended that the United States try to improve its credibility with Muslim audiences, "degrade" the jihadis' outreach efforts, draw attention to terrorist messages that contradict Islam, deconstruct idealized historical concepts, systematically disrupt Internet operations and seek assistance from sympathetic American Muslims."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/n...12934-
6838r.htm
-- I thought they were already doing this. I have been forced off several theoretically pro-palestinian blogs by foul mouthed zionist trolls which swamp all the posts with abuse, apparently with the encouragement of the webmasters.
Sorry, I was incorrect in saying the IAEA's Iran Report is not available to the public - it's here:
http://news.ft.com/cms/77545c44-
...000779e2340.pdf
The commentary on this site obviously now has become a meeting place for people who's idiocy and/or evilness/aggression find it's universal solution in the main nazi parole: "Down with marxism". Everyone who has studied history just a little more carefully knows very well, that nazi racism was just an ideological fishing instrument, a way to cover the asses of the ruling classes (of all races) against the resistance from the oppressed (from all races). Hitler came to power as a counterevolutionary response to the european revolutions after WWI.
As Hitler put it privately: "I decide who is a jew". Hitler and Himmler knew that fx. the leading SS-officer and one of the main planners of "The final solution", Reinhard Heydrich, called "The blonde Moses"), was partly jewish (one of his grand parents was jewish). More russians than jews were exterminated during the world war on the eastern front (165 german divisions fought there compared to just 40 in the west just after D-Day). The main goal of the nazi regime, which constituted the dictatorial rule of german and international capital in Germany and "Neuropa", was to crush the working class movements everywhere. This they falsely believed could be done by crushing the Stalin dictatorship, but this state-capitalist dictatorship was in itself the most effective weapon of mass destruction against socialism the world has ever seen, which under hte cover of "communism" was using antijewish and other racist sentiments even more effectively than Hitler to support it's rule.
I always wonder why all you psychopatic CIA-apparatchiks seriously believe you can fool people who want justice and freedom for mankind, by hiding underneath the cover of 'discussion forums' on sites like this. Everyone thinking just a little will immidiatly understand, that your goal is just to register a lot of fools who you will round up and massacer like your ancestors did red indians as soon as you get the opportunity.
Heydrich was an expert in this registration field and also the instigator of "The Gleiwitz incident" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident) which together with the Reichstag fire is the same model as 9-11. People obsessed by creating oppression and evil for others are of all races and ideologies and have always been. They are called psychopaths. 'Capitalism' represents their genotype taking global control, getting dominance over the rest of mankind: capitalism is the collapse of mankind (and maybe life on earth)by it's own genetic predispositions. We're living in the epoch in which 90 pst. of men no longer want to discern lies from truths: the so-called
"information age". Which is just another way to state, that the overwhelming majority has gone mad as lemmings running towards the sea. The actual forms in which the exploding madness of mankind takes place, atomic bombs..., aren't after all very interesting, they're just boring, as is the whole 'history' of mankind is
(continued) as soon as you realize, that the same is always repeating.
"Hell is just the others" (Jean Paul Sartre).
"Mankind consists of the torturers and the tortured" (Friedrich Dürrenmatt).
"In 1876, Marx's collaborator, Frederich Engels, offered a prophetic caveat: "Let us not… flatter ourselves overmuch on account of our human conquest over nature. For each such conquest takes its revenge on us… At every step we are reminded that we by no means rule over nature like a conqueror over a foreign people, like someone standing outside of nature--but that we, with flesh, blood, and brain, belong to nature, and exist in its midst…"
http://www.stateofnature.org/
cor...porateRich.html
"More russians than jews were exterminated during the world war on the eastern front... "
-- quite so, Mr Parenti (if it is you, as the homepage you have offered seems to imply), but why is this well known fact not commemorated as the 'holocaust' is?
"The service of bad things is a more lucrative domain than the fighting for real justice. By this is explained a number of events which are repeated all day in the press and in the conduct of the businesses of customary life. Everyman can observe them. To me the reading of a newspaper has become disgusting even in this aspect; for, one who reads the newspaper reports with knowledge of the internal gears of the press and of the conditions which are distorted must turn in disgust from these judaisations of the truth."
-- Eugen Duhring, 1881
"Judaisations"? Dühring was expressing the main anti-judaism of his age, in the climate of imperial Germany which lead to WWI. I prefer Engels' "Anti-Dühring" for Dühring.
I bet you do.
End Time Values. The Demise of America
Stojgniev O’Donnell, Pravda.Ru, 27.04.2006
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion...umnists/79605-
0
"It is the twenty-first century. America is rat-infested history... "
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I certainly agree that Uris can be blamed for a lot of the misguided pro-Israeli sentiment that was around in the 60s and 70s, when Exodus was very widely read. My mother is something of a Christian Zionist type today, and I suspect that her pro-Israel stance has got a lot to do with the fact that Uris was one of her favourite authors - and Exodus one of her favourite books - when I was growing up.
Don't forget Ernest Gold's score...
"in which he superbly projected a sense of the historical fulfilment of the destiny of an ancient people, yet with the feeling also of a young and vigorous nation, he left an indelible mark on the history of music for the cinema."
... its so sexy!
The question remains: does one become a 'Julius Streicher' in order to smash the Zionist Neocon cabal in America?
Anonymous:
Invoking Marx and Engels to slag Hitler and Heydrich is rather disconcerting.
Was it not Marx who introduced the concept of 'creative destruction' appropriated by Joseph Schumpeter and later inverted by the nihilist Zionist monopoly capitalists: Cheney, Rove, Ledeen?
We all know of the Einstaz 'aktions' in the east. There were also en masse 'evacuation executions' by the retreating Red Army and NKVD, as well.
Everyone thinking just a little will immidiatly understand, that your goal is just to register a lot of fools who you will round up and massacer like your ancestors did red indians as soon as you get the opportunity.
Perhaps. But first things first. Though I don't always agree, Mr. Berkeley makes many excellent points here. This psychological 'barrier wall' and edifice must collapse immediately, and 'by any means necessary...?' Well, that is the million shekel question.
I See Your Sheckle & Raise Your Dead.
A most refreshing beverage:
http://news.haaretz.co.il/
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Marissa Mayer, who runs Google News, referred to “zionazi” as a “degrading, hateful slur.”
Oh sure, Zionazi is offensive, but Ashkenazi is perfectly acceptable.
There has been a noticeable absence of Zionist shills on nearly every blog the past couple weeks. I haven't noticed such silence from the Israel First! crowd since a couple weeks before the US invaded Iraq. [shiver]
It isn't a matter of 'by any means necessary'. Your implication is that I am trying to invoke some sort of blind destructive force of universal hatred. However, this just shows that you have not yet mustered the intellectual determination to stick your head into the lion's mouth and examine its dentures.
The idea of "becoming a Julius Streicher'" says more about your desire to shock than about the subject at hand: none of us have ever read anything that Streicher wrote, all we know is what we have been told by our conditioners, namely that he was a racist pornographer. Personally I don't read German.
The level of systematic and deliberate ignorance and misdirection reagrding that whole period is itself something I think we can study with profit. For instance, Kurt Nimmo is either lying or an ignoramus when he says this:
"In the future, we may be relegated to the “slow lane” (no video or audio), or locked out entirely if a telecom disagrees with our content. Free expression of ideas, especially ideas contrary to those of the neolib global elite and transnational corporations, are now at risk more than ever. It should be remembered that corporatism is essentially fascism, as the grand daddy of fascism, Benito Mussolini, long ago explained. Fascists not only favor and enforce censorship—ultimately they violently suppress all opposition."
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=352
It is not necessary to read German, or Italian, to know that the fascist meaning of the word 'corporation' is antithetical to the liberal meaning - a fascist 'corporation' is a combination of consultative body, parliamentary chamber, and guild representation. This deliberate distortion is just the normal left-wing pablum that they feed us. Anyone who questions it simply receives the response that they find it remarkable that the critic shows such interest in fascism.
By the way, if we told every Jewish Marxist who comes on here that he was "trying to become an 'Ilya Ehrenberg'" (this was Stalin's Jewish propagandist, who among other things encouraged Soviet soldiers to engage in the systematic mass rape of German women) - we'd be accused of 'anti-Semitism', n'est-ce-pas?
The idea of "becoming a Julius Streicher'" says more about your desire to shock than about the subject at hand.
That is always a constant trade off there. Streicher for a refreshing beverage or a 'separation wall'? (By the way, how did that Roger Water's concert in the Territories go?)
It isn't a matter of 'by any means necessary'. Your implication is that I am trying to invoke some sort of blind destructive force of universal hatred.
No, perhaps just a shift in parallax or fulcrum.
Are you here to free Palestine or to challenge apparent misconceptions and stereotypes about National Socialism or fascism? Or both... at the same time? Is this a legitimate appropriation and recontextualization?
It should be remembered that corporatism is essentially fascism, as the grand daddy of fascism, Benito Mussolini, long ago explained.
The entire attribution of that quotation to Mussolini is debatable, apparently.
a fascist 'corporation' is a combination of consultative body, parliamentary chamber, and guild representation.
Then, perhaps you agree with Ledeen regarding El Duce'-'a failed revolutionary'? versus the failed reactionary?
This apparent schism is intriguing. For example, why were the Futurist not part of the (selectively)Degenerate Art exhibition (Entartete Kunst)of 1937 ?
I’m still looking for a copy of this online. Might be hard to find: articles about FTM's debate with Hitler over Futurist art.
http://www.getty.edu/research/
co...arinett_m6.html
Emil Nolde was an interesting case as well. But what happened to Kirchner was a great crime:
His inclusion in Entartete Kunst, the Nazis’ 1937 exhibition of so-called “degenerate art,” along with the destruction of approximately 600 of his works, caused him further distress, exacerbated by the closeness of his Swiss home to the German border. Kirchner committed suicide in 1938 in Davos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ern...Ludwig_Kirchner
The idea that Ledeen is some sort of fan of fascism is risible. So is the idea that his friend de Felice is a Mussolini fan. It seems that no one ever reads any of these guys, they just get their ideas about them from Nimmo, or Larouche, or whoever.
Briton behind anthem that enraged Bush
Tony Allen-Mills, The Sunday Times (London), April 30, 2006
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
new...2158064,00.html
A BRITISH record producer who started his career as a tea-boy in a London studio has emerged as the man behind a Spanish-language version of The Star-Spangled Banner, America’s national anthem, that has upset President George W Bush. Adam Kidron, 46, released Nuestro Himno — Our Anthem — on Friday as a gesture of support for Hispanic immigrants. Kidron was unrepentant yesterday. As chief executive of Urban Box Office, which specialises in Latin music, he works closely with immigrant musicians.
Maybe you get your ideas about the mysterious hidden relationship between Jews and Fascism from Lenni Brenner, a lifelong Trotskyite revolutionary propagandist. Yeah, right. What you need to grasp is that although left wing Jews and right wing Jews oppose each other quite sincerely, sometimes to the point of lethal conflict, they still share a common front against non-Jews ('anti-Semites'), whom they oppose more.
Rowan,
Somnambulist wants to get you to sleep walk. Sleepy relativism does that to a guy.
Are you now or have you ever been a card carrying member of repressed denial?
Have you ever had any repressed dualistic thoughts that you never thought about but would like to bring into the light of day?
Do you have cryptic headache thoughts?
Yes, or No?
hehehe
After disclosing details of Iran's P2 programme, Maryam Rajavi, the NCRI leader, told The Sunday Telegraph: "There is no doubt that the clerical regime is only interested in deceiving the world community and the IAEA, in order to buy time and obtain nuclear weapons. There is no room for appeasement toward this regime."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../30/
wiran30.xml
The idea that Ledeen is some sort of fan of fascism is risible.
I'm merely posing questions here. And attempting to be as non judgmental as possible. Righteous indignation and outrage seems to be passe’ in my universe these days.
So Ledeen's apparent interest in Futurism and Italian Fascism is a farce in your opinion? Please elaborate, if you are so inclined.
Iraq was definitely a Futurist War, in my opinion. And now the world is experiencing the 'catastrophic success' of this 'creative destruction.'
Brenner claims (via documents) that Shamir attempted to side with Hitler in 1941-1942. Heinz Hohne and Hannah Ardent (among many others, including Edwin Black) have made similar claims. Hohne discusses issues surrounding the proposed SS and Hagana alliance of 1937 as well. Is this Faux News?
Iraq was definitely a Futurist War, in my opinion. And now the world is experiencing the 'catastrophic success' of this 'creative destruction.'
The Nazis apparently appropriated the conception of 'degenerate art' from the co-founder of the World Zionist Organization, Max Nordau.
I don't have any opinion on any of those erudite speculations, basically because I don't understand them. Futurism has never impressed me. I don't say Ledeen's 'interest' in fascism is a farce, I say that the idea that he is himself a fascist is risible. I do think it is worth reading Nordau's 'Degeneration', since it is in a sense the first neocon tract. Unfortunately it isn't on the web:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Nordau
I say that the idea that he is himself a fascist is risible.
Explore this further, if you care to. I'm very interested.
This is interesting. Contains Dead Guys:
http://www.econac.net/Artigo49.htm
Futurist musical compositions are absolutely fantastic. Luigi Russolo was light years ahead of his time.
I repeat, the idea that all and every form of totalitarianism is a 'fascism' is a left wing nonsense.
By the way, Somnambulist, the photographs are very impressive. I can see that your idea of 'America's Mission' is that it is to make the world safe for -- hangmen.
A few persons (who knows, maybe it's just one, posing as two or three?) here put up a smokescreen behind which they slowly propagate nazi nonsense, Auschwitz lies and so on. Probably they are just agent provocateurs for the agency and/or Mossad: they want to smear every war-critic and friend of Palestine as nazi and 'antisemite', and generally spread hatred and confusion, as do all psychopats. What discloses them is their invitable vitriolic hatred against what they imagine as 'jewish' 'marxism'. RB fx. has still not understood, how Stalin's regime was using antisemitism and a whole range of other types of racism within the russian society to stabilize state capitalism. Now RB cites the propaganda from oligarchical 'newspapers' of fascist Russia with pleasure. RB is probably prone to believe that "Stalin was a jew", as a lot of neonazi websites tell us. To people like RB 'jewish' designates a genetic disposal for absolute evilness, which overrides any other historical force. What this ideological sauce of RB etc. really is, is a kind of unconscious mosaic belief, which centerpiece is "jews are the chosen people of God", they just change god with satan. Hitler did the same, as he in his type of mosaism put 'aryans' in the place of 'jews', and 'jews' in the place of 'amalek' (or just 'the others' as it is with a lot of people, this is as old as the hatred between any two tribes in the stone ages). Hitler in this respect was the baby of Moses, Luther and social darwinism's father Herbert Spencer. Liberalism is just fascism in the making.
Every agency is always home to a lot of this type of rats: they are very useful for big capital. Every such agent is a cameleonic creature, able to change colours within fractions of seconds. However, in the darkness at noon of our times, every cat looks grey, and reality has disappeared long ago. "The destruction of social relations governed by the relevant value."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/...522#reader-
page
Fascism is capitalism is barbarism is "The End Solution to the Human Question". Humanity destroys itself by going mad.
Oh, hi Professor Parenti ... um .. Baudrillard ... whoever you are wrapping yourself in today.
I can see that your idea of 'America's Mission' is that it is to make the world safe for -- hangmen.
No, just safe for Led Zeppelin records and Italian 'Giallo' films and such. That's a much preferable kind of 'creative destruction.'
they want to smear every war-critic and friend of Palestine as nazi and 'antisemite', and generally spread hatred and confusion...
One only has to look at some of the paramilitary organizations in the Middle East to realize they have done an excellent job of convincing people of that themselves, without the aid of agent provocateurs or the Mossad. Unfortunately, there are Islamofascists out there, just as there are Zionazis. I’m sure you’re aware of this, so why didn’t you include it in your original comments?
Learn, appropriate and recontextualize. That's a form of 'sampling' man has done since the beginning of time.
Som,
You keep analyzing the symptom rather than the cause. Anthony Sutton, in his book, Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, explains the bed that was fashioned for Hitler and Stalin to lay in. Who made this "bed"? The question, therefore, is who are the individuals that control international banking?
They are the one's that benefit from this "creative destruction," not these deterministic ideologies that carry occult and non-rational abstract theories that confuse and misdirect the issues behind the cause. Organized theft is the primary culprit.
Their greatest weapon is planned scarcity, a psychological fear of people having the basics of life and her necessities constantly threaten. Our species has a great drive to survive whether the threat is artificially or naturally caused. The internationals (Bankers) know this and have played the puppet masters for centuries. Ism's are the manufactured script that "they" make us play by. There is no scientific profound erudite cause, just fraud and manipulation. It is institutional chaos and therefore has no particular logical origin then deception. That's why people can't locate the answer in any particular ism because their basic premise is wanting. Thus confusion and meaningless debate.
They have usurped the social contract of money by making it an "owned" commodity. They call the tune that we are dancing to.
I don't want to have to kill anyone, but I must feed myself and my family. Food, clothing and shelter are absolute needs that "they" have placed in constant jeopardy on a global scale. This is the real debate on which people should focus.
Jefferson and/or Mussolini
by Ezra Pound, 1933
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/po...a/
jeffmuss.html
THE fundamental likeness between these two men are probably greater than their differences. I am not diddling about with a paradox. The top dressing could hardly be more different, everything on the surface is different. The verbal manifestations or at least the more greatly advertised verbal manifestations undoubtedly differ to a very great degree.
“ The best government is that which governs least,” remarked Mr. Jefferson. I don’t propose to limit my analysis to what Tom Jefferson said. I don’t propose to limit my analysis to what Tom Jefferson recommended in a particular time and place. I am concerned with what he actually did, with the way his mind worked both when faced with a particular problem in a particular geography, and when faced with the unending problem of CHANGE.
If Mussolini had tried to fool himself into finding or into trying to find the identical solution for Italy 1922-1932 that Jefferson found for America 1776-1826, there would have been no fascist decennio.
There is probably no language simple enough and clear enough to explain this, to make this clear to the American extreme left and to the American liberal. I mean to say that the left is completely, I mean completely, absolutely, utterly, and possibly incurably, ignorant of Jefferson and nearly ignorant of the structure of American government, both de jure and de facto.
They understand nothing of this subject because they have no desire to understand it, and practically all political parties are swallowed up in the desire for mutual ignorance of their reciprocal difference...
Thank you for your comments, Tiger.
There is no scientific profound erudite cause, just fraud and manipulation.
What of the Eugenics movement in Britain and the US, predating that of the National Socialists? There is a cultural and social engineering component as well: 1984 + Brave New World + We + Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? + The Handmaid's Tale. These are no longer 'fictions' or 'science fictions.'
Thus confusion and meaningless debate.
There is no such creature as a 'confusing and meaningless' debate.
Food, clothing and shelter are absolute needs that "they" have placed in constant jeopardy on a global scale. This is the real debate on which people should focus.
There are also very real and important questions of personal choice, personal responsibility, conditioning and programming.
IMO, the entire planet just needs a good Jungian therapist. And fast.
"The best government is that which governs least".
What Jefferson said is as old as Lao Tzu's Tao, originating from 200 to 500 B.C.
I agree.
57.
*** Use fairness in governing the state.
Use surprise tactics in war.
Be unconcerned and you will have the world.
How do I know it is like this?
Because:
The more regulations there are,
The poorer people become.
The more people own lethal weapons,
The more darkened are the country and clans.
The more clever the people are,
The more extraordinary actions they take.
The more picky the laws are,
The more thieves and gangsters there are.
Therefore the sages say:
"I do not force my way and the people transform themselves.
I enjoy my serenity and the people correct themselves.
I do not interfere and the people enrich themselves.
I have no desires
And the people find their original mind.
What of the Eugenics movement in Britain and the US, predating that of the National Socialists?
--- yes indeed - what of it? what does it have to do with anything we are discussing here, except for the fact that you happen to have created a large and doubtless unpleasant compartment in your brain for dystopian fantasies of every sort and labelled it 'fascist'?
I went under Jungian therapy for seven years.
Does that mean I'm above the curve? And do you fine anything right with that?
Personal choice? You mean I could have been a firemen who sleepwalks?
...you happen to have created a large and doubtless unpleasant compartment...
I have a large suitcase full of sarcophagi. 
You mean I could have been a firemen who sleepwalks?
Well, perhaps not a Francois Truffaut exactly, but certainly a 'Martha Stewart.' On second thought, 'Julia Child' would be better.
The 400 Blows and Small Change? Truffaut at his best! Martha? Please. Now Julia... at least she knows the way to a man's heart.
Sweet waking dreams Somnambulist.
Ah the intellectual's argument; whipping out and comparing the sizes of their ...erudition.
Lenni Brenner isn't the only writer on Zionist-Nazi collaboration. David Ben Gurion and the whole Jewish National Movement followed an agenda of promoting Jewish emigration to no other country but Palestine, and as DBG himself stated in his dairies, he couldn't care less about those who weren't strong enough; he wanted only the best..
But regardless of Zionism as the main instigator, as long as Israel is called the 'Jewish State', it follows that unfairly or not, Jews everywhere will always be blamed for the crimes of that most criminal state.
And since all 'isms' seem destined to fail, it doesn't matter whether the American boot is fascist, corporatist or imperialist, the end result is as X says, 'the commission of the most terrible crimes known to man'
I wonder how 'Islamofascism' (whatever that is) stacks up against the millions of Iraqi and Afghan dead, but look forward to your replies.
I am in complete agreement with all of your above comments Mr. Man.
Perhaps 'Man From Jekyll Island' would be a more appropriate nom de guerre.
Roger Waters launches 'The Writings on the Wall' campaign:
http://www.rogerwatersonline.com.../
27th072004.htm
My basic thought is that as long as people persist in their Jewishly induced 'Left is good, Right is bad' brainwashed state, they will remain useless and powerless, which is why the state has been induced of course. Jewish politicians and intellectuals are certainly not bound by it - what they are bound by is a loyalty to one another which over-rides the 'Left- Right' fetish completely.
Meanwhile : "Iranian journalists tell me that Ahmadinejad has become a national embarrassment. Immediately after he proclaimed his hope that Israel be wiped off the map, ordinary Iranians began to feel sheepish. These are people who widely listen to Israeli radio, rather than their state broadcasters, for objective reporting." (Irshad Manji)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...2159211,00.html
-- I listen to Israel Radio a great deal, but certainly not for 'objective reporting', that would be like looking for smowballs in hell really.
Mr Scheuer claims that a July 2002 plan to destroy the camp lapsed because "it was more important not to give the Europeans the impression we were gunslingers". "Mr Bush had Zarqawi in his sights almost every day for a year before the invasion of Iraq and he didn't shoot because they were wining and dining the French in an effort to get them to assist us in the invasion of Iraq," he told Four Corners. "Almost every day we sent a package to the White House that had overhead imagery of the house he was staying in. It was a terrorist training camp . . . experimenting with ricin and anthrax . . . any collateral damage there would have been terrorists."
http://www.theage.com.au/
article...6335608444.html
-- the idea that Zarqawi, who is or was a small time hood, was "experimenting with ricin and anthrax" will delight believers in the thesis that the australian public is at the bottom of the gullibility league.
Can you imagine what the next generation of American High School students are going to be reading in their school rooms in 2020 as history of the Iraqi War!
There going to think their parents are all stupid and uninformed.
"Oh Mom and Dad, did you become conspiracy theorist after we were attacked by Muslims who hated our freedoms? Our teacher said many people back then really believe it was all made up until Israel helped us to wake up and win the war against the bad guys."
"Oh by the way, could you help me with my history paper research on how the Anglo-American Israeli allies defended democracy against anti-Semites?"
Your irony is not ill placed, tigs
One reliable Palestinian security source intimated to Al Ahram Weekly that certain "suspicious elements" -- an allusion to Israeli-supported informers and provocateurs -- sought actively to intensify the clash between Fatah and Hamas in the hope of igniting some form of a civil war. Some had reportedly shouted, "Death to Meshaal!" and "Meshaal is an Israeli collaborator!"
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/...006/792/
fr2.htm
There is an excerpt from Israel Shamir's latest article, which is relevant to our discussion on the Chomskyist obfuscation along the "Zionist or Imperialists?" line;
'In his thought-provoking speech Ahmadinejad said:'
"The vast Zionist network has been at the service of the imperialists for decades"
'- This is open to an argument whether the Zionist network serves the imperialists, or the imperialists serve this network. It's an axample of Managerial Revolution: Jews were managers for the imperialists, until they took over the show, some would say. Oh no, they remained docile to their imperialist overlords, argue others.
Whatever position we take, the Zionists and the Imperialists are surely integrated and intermeshed, and if one accepts the idea of the Iranian threat to Israel, one subscribes to this demonic network.'
I attach the link for the article, which was to me, a wonderfull piece to read.
Israel Shamir: Lobster for Iran
Yes, but Shamir as usual plays to the Russian gallery, this time with his crazy assertion that had it not been for the Rosenbergs, the USA would have nuked the USSR!
R. B., it's hard to please you man.
Without going into another lengthy exchange with you, I think I red somewhere, that gen. Mac Arthur had seriously pressed Truman, to have nuclear strike/s on China, when things were going particularly bad conventionally in Korea.
Truman rejected the suggestion, in fear that it would provoke a nuclear war with the Soviets and instead, he get rid of his hard-to-control general.
I think, the US woul've been less restrained via a vis Cuba, during the Cuban crisis also, if it wouldn't had to consider the nuclear capabilities of the Soviet Union at the time.
Why should anyone believe anything Chomsky says? He lives in a fairyland of Oswalds, Peak Fascism and My Pet Goats.
Why on earth would Wall Street (remember them?) have wanted to destroy Russia? That wanted to regain control of it by bankrupting it, and eventually they succeeded in doing just that.
One could make analogous points about today's "enemies of freedom".
Actually, that is precisely the trouble with Shamir: he thinks in terms of religions as motive forces, not financiers. That is why he likes to use the term "mammonism".
However, his serving the Russian (or Russo-Israeli) public with its propaganda needs is something I cannot prove directly, since whatever he writes in Russian, he doesn't translate into English.
R, B., I'm sure, you're right, that I. S. has omitted a few things, which he may have mentioned and you are well within your right to point out those flaws. Furthermore, I do not advocate, that you suspend your critical faculties, when you read Israel Shamir, or anyone else, to that matter. Indeed, your assessments and comments are enjoyed and sought for by many here, because of their daring and thought-provoking qualities.
However saying all that, I need to add, that this latest essay of I. S. is only a journalistic piece and not an academic one and as such, it needn't be subjected to the harshest dissection and scrutiny.
For example, it doesn't really need to be pedantically all-inclusive or documented.
When I made my recommendation, I based it on my impression, that on balance it is a beautifully written article, which is persuasively shatters some of the manufactured myths out in circulation. Moreover, it also has the special perspective of a Jewish (dissident) writer, which none of us can duplicate.
A few words on Israel Shamir, if I may.
A very close friend of mine, Rima Anabtawi, is also a very close friend of Shamir. She once invited me to go on a visit with her to Shamir's apartment in Manhattan. Although I like some of his well written articles I still have a feeling that he is a well meaning individual more than a person in denial or suspect. He seems to be just a concerned (sensitive type) person who has not great political depth.
He's been greatly publicized because he was a Jew who recently converted to the Russian Orthodox Church. He also holds an Israeli passport and served, I believe, in the IDF some years ago while living there.
I decided not to go because there is something about such people, as Shamir, that is sedate and reserved in their understanding of the complex world of political intrigue and injustice. An irritating naivete. But, although likable.
Rima, on the other hand, was on a list left by Edward Said, before he passed away, as a recommended replacement to carry on his work for the Palestinian people. Rima is an American born Palestinian. She's tough as nails and brilliant.
You may be hearing more about her in the near future, that is, on C-SPAN.
In light of the comments by Marissa Mayer (upstream ) Pro-Palestinian and Anti-Zionist bloggers should consider using a blogging service other than 'Blogger.'
Pyra/Blogger is owned by Google.
http://www.google-watch.org/
Thanks Tiger Eye, to share us with that personal story.
I hope that your friend Rima Anabtawi, will receive the exposure and recognition which she deserves. God knows, the Palestinian cause need all the help of able advocates, which it can muster.
Without going into unnecessary comparisons, I think I. S.'s work is also very important for us, ie. the Anti-Zionist truth movement.
He is, beside holding opinions close to ours, he is also endowed with that special insider knowledge, of being born a Jew. (I know, R. B. doesn't accepts the validity of that category). That fact, makes him educational for most of us and maybe also helps him, to be more persuasive among the Jewish community. Like if he were an intellectual emissary.
Personally I respect him for his honesty and eloquent writing skill, plus for the tough personal journey he has embarked upon, to clear the widespread misunderstanding and hatred between Jew and Gentile.
Tom,
Thanks.
Shamir wrote a beautiful article, "Our Lady of Sorrows," on the IDF shooting up of a statue of the Blessed Mother in Bethlehem.
A photo of the universal Mother was included in the article. Her gentle hands blown away, her face pocked by bullets and her breast area hit.
A metaphor for the complete disregard for the symbol of life and unconditional love.
Then again I'm reminded of Woody Allen's depiction of his Jewish mother as a "castrating Zionist bitch."
Perhaps Woody's humor, as Lenny Bruce said, is an example of "truth intoxicated", that which makes people laugh.
Need I say more.
I have met Shamir too. We didn't hit it off. As I said, his basic idea is that everybody should convert to Orthodox Christianity and live happily ever after - or so he claims, though really I can't believe he expects this to occur, so it must be either vain painting with words or the cover for some other agenda. Some Israelis see him as an agent of influence for the Russian government or one of its agencies.
His recent defense of Lieberman and his Israel Beiteinu party as mere ethnic victims is consistent with this.
Now here's a Russian I can take a bit more seriously (not likely to wander off into pseudo lyrical statements about the beauty of women or the taste of pistachio nuts):
http://www.mosnews.com/news/
2006...zhenitsyn.shtml
No, you do not need to add more to your poignant picture 'Tiger Eye'.
I have sensed a communion of emotions between us.
I think, we agree, that the World needs more people, like Israel Shamir and Riba Anabtawi, to project hope and more humane alternatives to us, than what the 'hard men' on both sides are offering.
R. B., I'm sorry that you haven't hit it off with I. S.
In this World hardened by the millenia of mutual blood leting and agression commited by both sides, it is hard to take someone seriously, who offers a simple spiritual solution, without suspecting that he may harbours some alterior, more sinister motives.
Yet, I think it is a mistake to reduce the Gentile-Jewish conflict to a problem of unsolved philosophical categorisation. Even if the modern mind bristles against it, this conflict also have a spiritual dimension.
Certainly it has a spiritual dimension, though having said that it should be obvious that the only thing Shamir's two rhetorical strategies (Russian Orthodoxy and Stalinist nostalgia) have in common is that they both flatter the Russian ego.
I do not regard Russia as a deus ex machina - this is just the old fellow traveller routine.
ha effin ha dept.:
"On CNN today, a retired Air Force colonel said that US military operations are already under way in Iran. You know what that means. Time to break out the old 'Mission Accomplished' banner."
-- Jay Leno
US military operations are already under way in Iran...
Hersh reported this last year. Special Forces operating inside Iran on Recon missions.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/co.../?
050124fa_fact
Shill, I agree re: Blogger and Google. People need to start putting their money and energy where their mouth is. 'Two Minutes Hate' on blog comments is fine and dandy, as long as it's recognized as such.
My point was not that Jay Leno, of all people, had suddenly scooped the professional war reporters, it was that he had managed to make a little joke. That's why I labelled it 'ha effin ha dept.'
I disagree re Google and Blogger too. There doesn't seem to be a single thing on God's little green earth I agree with the aptly named Somnambulist about, does there.
Berkeley Hyde, so...you perfer to type all day long into an intelligence gathering operation for Bush and Israel, eh? I suppose you purchase your refershing beverages from Starbucks as well.
Boycotts are usually puerile gesture politics, and as for intelligence gathering, the only mature behaviour is to refrain from having secrets. That's why I always use my real name, unlike the omnipresent screen name merchants I see all around me here.
Returning to matters of substance, may I recommend Yockey's "Imperium" to those of you who haven't read it? It's much easier than Spengler, and for reasons that are not altogether obvious it is more optimistic, too.
My only real caveat about reading these 'right-wingers' is that from time to time you may need to allow your eye to pass without comment over some short anti-black passages. Rants about blacks are completely stupid and counter-productive in my view, but many right-wingers seem to think they are called for.
http://www.peterbreedveld.com/ar...s/
00000420.html Mussolini rendered by McCay
Piet, I am not as interested in Musso as you seem to be - I was citing Pound, who is interesting for other reasons.
-- actually, I can't think of any occasion on which a political cartoon has succeeded in making a serious point without resorting to ad hominem irrelevancies, can you?
You can't be that obtuse. I have (unlike you) never brought up Mussolini before. I am doing so to cater to your inclination hoping thus to evoke a reciprocation and have you tell me about Beckerath related development, should there be (and you spot) any.
well, apart from the obvious fact that there has never been a politician yet who couldn't be made to look absurd by a cartoonist, I can't see your point.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bpx...1519817/?
page=2 this guy has nearly 3000 WWII posters with good readable resolutions, I bet you could find plenty of instances illustrating all kinds of theories maybe even the most weirdly constellated palette of pet ones. And his 'Rowanville' set might suit you too. From that small series I recommend contemplating this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bpx.../in/set-467098/
Pictorial art vs the more purely symbolic penstrokes. The commisioned vs the un- and decommissioned. Who is gonna deny the unthinkable and absurd opens escape routes and lets fresh air in? Being too serious seems a greater problem than having bad taste in humour .. . or maybe they are accomplices.
Nothing like a little General Strike to tick off the 'Shop Keepers.'
Tom, Rowan,
My time schedule has been somewhat limited recently so my reply to your observations about Shamir is that they are both germane. I wouldn't go as far as saying that he is a major person of interest in Middle east nor
international politics. I don't think he has an understanding of the bigger picture of finance capital and it's motives.
He is more "liberal" and emotional than objective. I wouldn't consider him a serious player contributing a coherent understanding of what's going on behind the scene.
I can appreciate some of his writings but am not convinced of his importance.
Wish you well.
David Irving's story about Shamir offering for sale captured Nazi files on behalf of some obscure Rooshian concern, back in 1998, has never been refuted:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/98/
0...amir020998.html
today in history:
Federal Reserve System - DemopediaMcGeer sticks to Lincoln Charge. Ottawa, May 2 1934 - Gerald Grattoo McGeer, ... There were the men opposed to his national currency program, and who had ...
http://demopedia.democraticunder...nderground.com/
index.php/Federal_Reserve_System - 56k -
Now I think back, I recall asking Shamir about this story of Irving's by email. Shamir replied that the facts were as stated but that Irving was mistaken in seeing anything shady in the deal.
via a video (only been up 3 hours): http://video.google.com/videopla...Masters&
pl=true
yes, "The Money Masters" is a good video, Piet. I hate the way that presenter keeps wagging his pencil at the viewer, though.
woopserbloops, lenght is three hours, the material has been up at truthinmoney and moneymaster type sites forever .. . what irritated me most was the reams and reams of poor dupes dressed up in war fatigue, attire and what not uniformation during the frequent segments on warfinance on which I'd recommend Roy's work: www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/controversies.html (the page where he mentions Beckerath).
people interested in US monetary history will find almost everything on here useful:
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/
ijccr yahoo group message 5498 is a pretty funny poem by John Turmel but neither it nor the money masters or any other usury booers I learned about get to the heart of the matter and that is: interest levels are a mere negative measure for the degree of sustainability, cooperation and consensus in the world and is a warning sign at most (and as we all know, fighting fevers and other attempt to get rid of symptoms end up masking more often than preventing a disease), specially under decent emission conditions (monetary freedom rather than monopolies leading to manipulation, power play, exploitation, scarcity and war).
pleaching permaculture and baumhaus.de type stuff would allow an increase of earth's carrying capacity many times over but monoculture and soilcompacting mechanization leading to desertification and energy wars carries the day.
In his right ear he heard advice that he knew to be true,
"Do help them out and should you fail, they'll be there helping you."
But in his wrong ear he heard words so greedy in their tone,
"Don't risk security for your success was all your own.
But if you rent your seeds to them and gain from what they reap,
You soon won't have to work with interest to earn your keep."
piet: he goofed here. the sentence runs much better thus:
you soon won't have to work cause interest earns your keep.
At some point in man's history, a brother chose that way,
Enslaved with debt all of the others lasting to this day.
It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.
...
The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big telescreen at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one's teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one's neck. The Hate had started.
As usual, the face of Emmanuel Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience.
With all due respect, haven't heard of Rima Anabtawi, and Edward Said left some pretty large boots to fill.... in case she aspires to that. I do know Shamir however.
I was a member of Israel Shamir's Togethernet group; helped him get back to the U.S. after he was stopped at the Canada-US border in 2001. Much of what has been written about him is sour grapes by various Palestinians and Israeli propaganda of the sort used to negate Mordecai Vanunu's impact.
I don't agree that Shamir expects everyone to join the Orthodox Church, though perhaps he is inviting Jews to do so, which makes him brave, I guess. But everything he's done so far has been above board, and I see no reason to suspect him of being in the pay of Russian spymasters. He is Russian, but that's it.
I really would like to know where he says one thing to his Russian audience and another to his Western one, unless you take semantics and stylistic differences to be evidence of sinister conspiracy. If he's tailoring his message to his audience, that may be a human failing, or, he's writing Russian political commentary for Russians, and bringing his broader anti-war, pro-Palestinian message to the West, which needs more voices, not less, and I don't think pure blood Palestinians should have a lock on that either.
Maybe Shamir doesn't have main stream impact, but then Justin Raimondo should have ignored instead of his mean-spirited attack on him a while back?
I did try to bring up the role of private banks, the usury system and finance capital with him many years ago, but he was skittish about it in part, I think to avoid offending his liberal friends but also he may considered it too esoteric for his audience. (He did bring it up once he went to Malaysia nad met Mahathir Muhammed)
You and I might have the luxury of not caring, but I think Shamir, like Fisk, walks a very fine line. That does not prove insincerity, however.
And yes he may not have deep political insight or knowledge, but political commentators like Said and Ahmed Amr do tend to get a bit depressed and discouraged along the way, don't they?
I think we need more poets like Shamir writing about women's curves and the taste of a pistachio, and also more political analysis of course, but my money's on the poet. Poetry engages the heart, political analysis, the mind.
Man from Atlan,
The Bards and poet will always be a factor in world events. I don't think anyone who respects the visionary inner nature of great poets would deny this.
Although, I bet even a Rothschild can recite verse from memory and may even write poetry, if you get my meaning. Ego also haunts the poet and often serves the state in war and ideology.
Anabtawi's name was on a "list" with other names. I mentioned her because a mutual friend of ours, Rowan, suggested that I refrain from using "a friend of mine told me...," when offering information. And he's right.
What about Shamir's ridiculous defense