sure, it's backasswards, if you say so xymph.
Did you read this yet?
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The problem with Canada is that people are still able to think things through. This leads to stories like the one in TS where the reader is expected to step back and cynically see this made-for-TV spectacle for what it is. This is the result of an education system that is not completely bankrupt yet.
This type of analysis must be stopped or at least coopted in some way for effective mind-control.
I am struck by the rank amateurishness of the Canadian establishment in this whole affair. They simply lack Karl Rovian finesse. Here are some tips for the CSIS for future arrests:
1. The theatrics should be toned down to keep the focus on the main event: the terror threat.
2. The 15-year olds should be quietly sent home to their parents. Arresting 10th graders who bring math homework to sleeper cell meetings confuses and distracts us from the official story.
3. The evidence should have included drawings or pictures of Canadian targets. For example, pictures of the family trip to the CN tower.
4. Links to Middle-Eastern cells would have added a nice touch. Long-distance calls to relatives in Pakistan should have sufficed for this.
While the internet poses some problems it also presents wonderful opportunities both for Warshington and its allies. Tapping and transcribing conversations can be automated. A sleep cell is now just a Google search away.
"Backasswards".
Connotations of putting the horse (or in this case the donkey) before the cart.
More comments from the peanut gallery of history.
It's hard not to imagine that the cock-ups themselves are deliberate, somehow.
"Bassackwards"to be precise...
can anyone cite an instance when an ammonium nitrate 'bomb' was used that was NOT government infiltrated/sponsored?
the only two previous examples that I know of are WTCI where the FBI was ruled to be 1/3 responsible in a court of law and Oklahoma City which has had more than a few 'problems' with its cover story.
What else is there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Amm...mmonium_nitrate
thast wikipedia article is presumably cited to answer the question posed just above, but all it says is this:
Because of the ready availability in bulk of the raw materials, ammonium nitrate/fuel oil (ANFO) mixtures have occasionally been used for improvised bombs, for example by the Provisional IRA and in the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. However the greater bulk of material use in the OKC bombing was an improvised "kinepak" mixture of ammonium nitrate and nitromethane and this is considerably more destructive than ANFO, at least when unconfined.
Keep at 'em, xymphora. In the early reports I read, I swear the CSIS admitted it profiled Muslims in Canada; I also believe it was first reported that these were mostly teen-agers except for a 22 year old Scarborough man who were shooting their mouths off in an Internet chatroom. Was that chatroom set up by the CSIS? Was it a terrorist chatroom? Besides, how do you maintain a terrorist chatroom on the Internet? If your CSIS is as bumblingly stupid and inept as our CIA and FBI this is probably just a practice run getting Canada ready for some good ole USA right-wing pressure. A fence may be coming your way if guys like Unka Dick Cheney think Canadians are becoming a bunch of sissies when it comes to Al Queda terrorists. Also, you allow Gay marriage, which to our "president" is a much more serious matter than a bunch Al Queda terrorist cells run by a bunch native Canadian teenagers. You see how the US has punished Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for hiding terrorists and being the source of most of the real terrorists and their funding? The have banned Gay marriage in those countries. And look how we've punished Bin Laden? Bin Laden is against Gays marrying. Wow! To refresh everyone's memory, Bin Laden originally stated he caused 9/11 because the US used Saudi-Arabian airbases and military posts to launch their attack against an Islamic people. So, thanks anyway, Canada, for catching these teenage fools and saving the Peace Tower. New York City just lost a third of its terrorist fighting funds because it didn't have any "icons," according to the mastermind behind our Homeland Insecurity. It seems that's what the terrorists are after now. And there you go, the Peace Tower is an icon, so watch out for these Muslim teenagers wanting to buy 3 tons of fertilizer from your CSIS.
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Actually Bin Laden originally stated he had nothing to do with 9/11.
(supposedly i mean, since so many of the videos and tapes have been thought to be fake)
Meanwhile, in the States, every little bubbleheaded local news station, with deer-in-headlights announcers, telll us that the intended target of the bomb would be the USA. And it is because of that "porous border" with our neighbor to the North.
Such a big job! Why not just merge? The neighbor South of the Border, down Mexico way, is supplying all the fast food establishments and produce growers of the US. Therefore, a bit of a problem. We actually depend on the illegals like never before, and whenever a new crop of teenagers leaves home, north is where they come. Common decency would demand that they be treated well, but the iron law of wages insists on a trial by ordeal in coming through the desert.
Most of us are treated to mindless hypocrisy 24/7 in the States.
Oh, and by the way, this "plot" is good for relieving us from contemplating Haditha and its many look-alike crimes.
here is one reported interview: http://www.public-action.com/911...1/
oblintrv.html
with such a mythic figure it is difficult to know anything real about said figure, the Goldstein of our empire, but apparently there was a man named Osama Bin Laden at one point, or a very large consensus among people to make believe that there was.
One of the youths supposedly wanted to behead the Canadian PM. Plot gets sillier by the day, and SOP for the Mounties, who've been feeding us this fertiliser by the truck load, Sorry.
http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/ar...RITY-
CANADA.xml
One thing that struck me was the utter pusillanimity of the so called Canadian Muslim leaders. Whingeing how they didn't want to be lumped in with 'them', a presumption of guilt, heads down, we support the police.
Nothing about the infringement of civil liberties of the accused, the blatant entrapment, the use of obvious agents provocateurs.
So, ther never HAS been a fertilizer bomb without the Fed's help. Right?
P.S. Bin Laden has ALWAYS claimed innocence for 911. The Taliban offered to extradite him if the US could produce proof of his involvement. Then they offered to do so WITHOUT proof. We bombed 'em anyway: http://www.j-n-v.org/
AW_briefing...briefing004.htm
What's wrong with 'ass-up'?
Arses normally point backwards and toward the ground so ass-up is simpler, tidier and more correct than the pointlesssly original and meaningless backassward or the technically incorrect assbackward to describe an 'ass' facing the wrong way.
The prospect of a fair trial for the suspects in this case is being thoroughly undermined by the calculated leaking of half-baked details broadcast in the media. Why waste time 'fixing' a jury when the sluttish media will help 'fix' the entire population from which a jury will be drawn? One wonders whether this tactic hasn't already backfired in previous cases. It all boils down to how stupid the current crop of 'leaders' think we are and whether people who think this way can be filtered from juries.
Guantanamo is the exemplar here. We've been asked to accept that the inmates are the Worst of the Worst without a shred of evidence.
Unbeheaded Harper still managed to put his foot in his mouth by prejudging the guilt of the arrested youth. Believe me, he's not THAT stupid...there has to be something more behind this. They want to subvert the law...that's it. They want to hold a kangaroo court in Canada and find these kids guilty and put them away...setting a terrorizing precedent for all Canadians...if we want to put you away the courts won't save you....we'll buy the judges and fix the evidence just like they do in the good old US of A.
Then there is always the possibility that these kids actually are guilty.
Regarding the interview of Osama Bin Laden, linked here, the interview is obviously fake. Consider these excerpts:
"I am thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people."
Why would he mention the full corporate name of the interviewing organization. Almost sounds like an ad. Like they added that in.
Also his language, the phrases, the expressions, they sounds closer to someone Indian or Pakistani than Arabic.
According to the sometimes unintentionally amusing Israeli scare organ, DEBKAfile, "Extremist Muslims are snapping up Zarqawi-style black knit caps."
This is a little confusing.
Two of the "suspects" are doing time in some prison. This is assinine.
Which goes with back--a wards.
How could they be part of a bomb conspiracy if they are already locked up...andd...the report even stated "they failed to show up for court" (!!) Were they planning to escape from prison to appear for arraignment???
I actually thought that Canada was
a sophisticated, green urban area that took in refugees. I mean Quebec, Montreal. Old cities, Cathedrals, Universities.
I had the same impression of Paris.
I just thought these were international cities where they didn't behave like the typical redneck American.
It appears that Muslims are in the same role as Black Americans in the 1950's. This is obviously imitation of something on T.V., or an extremely stupid Hollywood production. (Produced by our Zionists cabal that are just getting
clummsier looking by the day!)
I did read that the police put the "evidence" on display at a Convention Center and that Condolezza
approved of the way it was handled.
Its going to be a long summer.
And July 4th is around the corner and the boy king's rating KEEP FALLING! No doubt there will be more
of this.
"The militarization of police" is no joke. Two of the "accused" are in prison for possession of weapons.
I didn't know you could go to prison for that! Almost everyone in California owns at least two guns.
I guess if you are Arab or Ethiopian,
and you are found with a gun its straight to prison.
Its all absurd, and on-going propaganda.
This is the unfortunate result when people vote in right-wing politicos.
I hope this isn't the lead up to our November elections.
but Cjenn, it will cease to be pseudo 'right-wing' and become pseudo 'left-wing' with the disgrace of Bushco and the installation of Hillary in the White House - although the substance won't change.
To assist this process, the Jewish moles in the CIA have just managed to get a huge file about post-WW2 CIA use of ex-Nazis released, so expect considerable breast-beating all round and cries of 'we told you so', from everybody from John Loftus to the larouchies.
I wouldn't know the difference between pakistani, indian and arabic usage MJ, so i cannot agree or disagree based on that.
re: the "ad", maybe it sounds better in arabic. maybe he's a formal speaker.
You're a great blogger, Xymphora, one of my faves. However, your proofreader needs to find another job.
there is also another interview by CNN on the site. I really doubt that was faked.
http://www.public-action.com/911...911/
hvideo.html
in this interview bin Laden says "In our religion, it is not permissible for any non-Muslim to stay in our country. Therefore, even though American civilians are not targeted in our plan, they must leave ..."
the lady who runs the site implies that this means he wouldn't target civilians, as the other interview explicitly states.
that interview was in March 1997 , btw. the CNN version is not on their site, so there is no definite proof, but the language is a bit much for one person to make up.
ah, the 9/12 CNN article about him states that there was such an interview. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/...file/
index.html
and, on CNN's pages, another denial by bin Laden that he was behind those events. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/...nial/
index.html
i guess people buy into this stuff because they want to, jumping through hoops, i mean it is "fun" to play the game they sell you isn't it. no one wants to be a farmer apparently. not that there is any land left to farm, have to buy it at high price, have to know how to run all the stuff, etcetera, too many people on not enough land maybe.
http://atimes.com/
At the height of the conflict (at the time of Germany's counteroffensive in late 1944), the rate of desertion in US units reached an astounding 45.2 per thousand - the highest rate of any Allied army - and the beginnings of domestic impatience with the length of the war was becoming obvious. As a result of this, Marshall and Eisenhower shaped and implemented a foreign policy that contradicted General George Patton's strutting dictum that "Americans love a good fight". In fact, they don't, and Marshall and Eisenhower knew it.
The resulting Cold War strategy followed Marshall's and Eisenhower's unofficial dicta: fight only when you have to, never fight alone, and never fight for long. These beliefs were reinforced by British military thinkers, including Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery and Winston Churchill, whose experience at "scraping the bottom of the barrel" for combat soldiers in the Second War stripped Great Britain of yet another generation of young men. So it was that over the course of a generation, the United States and its allies played a "zero-sum game", fighting a series of "partition wars" (in Korea and Vietnam) and "proxy conflicts" (in Afghanistan) that bled the Soviets of their moral authority, economic growth and political will.
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The strategy that was followed by the West was cumulative, coherent and implemented through the dependence on the creation of a painstaking alliance of democracies who believed in the efficacy of international law and an appeal to international opinion. To claim otherwise is not only to misread history, but to misread the willingness of the American and European peoples to engage in ill-defined, unilateralist and seemingly endless foreign conflicts. This misreading is the direct result of a fusion of the belief that militant Islam replicates the Reagan era with a (Bernard) Lewisian perception that Islam is a form of medieval tyranny. This is intellectual casuistry. It has resulted in the needless deaths of thousands of young soldiers and innocent civilians in a war that is so morally bankrupt that it may lead to our, not their, implosion.
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After September 11, the West is evincing a growing unease that we can now begin to characterize, that identifies the "long-known vulnerability of our complex civilization" that makes us question our most "deep-seated conceptual presuppositions". That "angst" - simply stated - grows from our having not listened to or understood the enemy we are fighting. Instead, we have drowned out the diverse voices of Islam with our own univocal ascriptions, while our enemy continues to evade our attempts to frame his existence. The "angst" comes from the slow realization that our policies have begun to reflect a hypocrisy in spreading our most cherished ideal. We say we support democracy, but our most recent initiatives seem purposely designed to undermine it.
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The foreign-policy figure
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Mid...t/
HF08Ak01.html
If they're going to invade Iran, they better watch out for Nejad's B.O. :
""He [Nejad, who else] fiercely rejects as slanderous the rumors that he is as stubborn as he is hot-tempered, as well as persistent gossip over his supposedly poor personal hygiene."
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/
...,418691,00.html
Spiegel used to be a good magazine. Sad.
? backasswards ?
our dialect had it
~bassackwards~
(but that was central PA for ya)
MJ does a 180:
"Then there is always the possibility that these kids actually are guilty"
MJ | 06.07.06 - 1:13 am | #
and
"Regarding the interview of Osama Bin Laden, linked here, the interview is obviously fake" (based on his language)
Guilty of WHAT, MJ? Mouthing off while young? Going to a tough love Outward Bound type training camp? Being entrapped by a father figure obvious agent provacateur? Ordering 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate without a corresponding amount of diesel oil and accelerant? Hmm.
And I'm sure you know your Arabic, Indian and Pakistani languages, but the interview with OBL you so cavalierly dismiss as fake (and thus saying OBL 'probably' was guilty of 9/11 as well) was to a Pakistani newspapaper, printed in Urdu and translated into English. And Arabic can be quite flowery in formal usage, ok?
So you really need to provide a better standard of proof, or I'll begin to suspect you're a higher standard of troll, which R.B. warned me about wishing for 
Whomever tries to shut down the internet and no longer allow the free exchange of idea's and hopes it will be the day free thinking men and women and the very spirit of youth will find the world has become a jail and small minds, a prison gaurd. I smell a book burning headed our way and big brother rising more each day.
The more totalitarian a government becomes the less necessary the press, because it becomes more obvious who the criminals are.
There are over a hundred million hand guns/rifle's registered by citizens, in the US, and many military veteran's, as well, who know how to use them.
Especially if the economy is hurting enough people.
I agree - when the physical control of the police state is complete, there is no longer any mystery about who is doing what, but speech is forbidden.
violence towards other men must be condemned or society will collapse, am i wrong? a society based on beating the crap out of anyone who is different or seems inferior, can it survive?
Anonymous,
There are many forms of violence.
Having the largest portion of its citizens on the globe in prison, the US treats its citizens like bad slaves on the manor rather then people denied social interation into meaningful life styles, with competant educational and vocational income for professions and benifits. There is less and less means for a justified end for working people when fiat money and engineered distruction of peoples efforts to live out life with dignity is constantly being undermind.
This is the source of violence in all modern capital financed schemes.
'violence towards other men must be condemned' - in other words, we reserve the right to beat the shit out of whole countries if we imagine that they 'encourage terrorism' (which, if true, is probably the result of our own provocateurs agitating there).
Regarding doing a 180: Maybe I was just trying to throw off my handlers.
Just because the interview might be fake, or at least edited to give the Ummat Group of Publications excellent product placement, this does not mean that every statement in the interview is false, or that the opposite of every statement in the interview is true.
Regarding the paintball 17 -- again a binary guilty and not-guilty might not cover all the possibilities. A group within the 17 might be guilty and the rest not-guilty. Or they might all be innocent. Or all guilty. Or they might just be guilty of extreme stupidity.
You said the interview was fake,a pretty strong statement. Some pontificators use their logic-on-a
-pedestal to 'prove' their point.
Look at your statement above. It is precisely the type of weasel intelectualizing that allows fascism to take over, when what we need is rigorous opposition, peaceful but still, these are our bedrock principles: When a state uses illegal means to entrap marginalised individuals, then we should not allow show trials to take place, the purpose of which is to take away our liberties and create a police state.
Listen to the first stanza of Kansas' protest song "Can I tell you"
Can I Tell you something...Freedom's worth fighting for...Prove that you deserve it..
Now now, this sort of thing is unfair to actual historical fascism, which had a lot of positive features totally lacking from bushco's régime.
i donno what's going on these days...i'm so mad at the media..why does everybody blame Muslims for being terrorists...what the heck, so Osama Bin Laden turns out to be a terrorist and just happens to be Muslim..does that have to mean that ALL Muslims are terrorists...God, I study Chemistry and I'm afraid that if one day I'm seen carrying some kind of chemical substance at university, ppl will report me to the police thinking that im trying to blow up something...i live in small city around TO and ppl have just been lashing out at us Muslims for the past cpl of days bcz of the TO incident...in my city, we've always been living peacefuly with non-Muslims, but just today some guy sticks his head out of his car while my sister was in her car and tells her to "go blow someone up". how rude is that? look what the media is doing...grrrrrrr...sorry, for all the spellink mistakes..im just so mad and can't concentrate at the moment. btw, great article. thanks for posting .
When Churchill said "we shall fight them on the beaches", I don't think this was quite what he had in mind:
"At least seven Palestinian civilians were killed Friday evening, when Israel Navy gunboats firing artillery shells hit a beach in the northern Gaza Strip. Some 40 others were wounded. Many of those hit in the attack were children, Palestinian sources said. The Israel Defense Forces apologized for the incident, saying it 'regretted the strike on innocents.'"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
724811.html
The apology was genuine because it was accompanied with teddy bears and flowers.
Apologies, R.B. Not intended to deny the positive aspects of German National Socialism, but Fascism as an expression of extreme right wing authoritarian control, and the supression or subverting of opposition, well, I'm against that.
What we now have is corporate and financial fascism, not even a nationalistic one which might be considered to benefit People.
The problem is that political psychopaths are running everything, people without any conscience at all. They are in the US; they are in Canada. CSIS is still upset the Cold War is over and wants more 'turf' and will go to any lengths to get it. That's what I thought when I first heard the news .. their smug comments before the raid should have tipped everyone off. If you are going to conduct a huge raid in a given week, why would you go public with a declaration that terror cells exist ...? If they were so guilty, why didn't the "terrorists" run away right then ...?
Why would you say there are going to be more arrests and allow a clamp down at the border when you could JUST AS EASILY pick them up right then ... if they are SO guilty.
Why would you be leaking all these "gruesome" details about what the "terrorists" wanted to do, if you believe in democracy's promise of a FAIR trial? Or don't you have enough evidence and want them convicted via public opinion? When did law enforcement become a political tool in Canada anyway? They are supposed to be part of the judicial system.
The whole thing smacks of a Straussian ruse .. as if we couldn't possibly figure anything out, that we have all already been dumbed down. Do they really think no one in the press expects a ruse by the security services and will just hand out political PR/spin?
Why are they not allowing the families to visit .. to ensure they walk out of this all messed up, no matter how things turn out? There is no certainty at all of any
conviction(s).
Mussolini defined fascism as the alliance between business and government .. didn't the takedown of Alex Jones for 15 hours while the wealthy and powerful of the Bilderberg group met in secrecy in Ottawa indicate exactly what's going on? Why were they not afraid of going to Ottawa when all these "arrests" are to follow ..? "Terrorists" are walking the streets of Canada .. unarrested.
The whole thing is as smelly as skunk roadkill on a highway. If Harper SERIOUSLY thinks he is going to win a majority this way, I would guess he better call an election SOON becuz as the story unfolds it's getting stinkier by the day.
Good article! Nice to see someone has their "thinking cap" on.
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"Canada is currently murdering innocent civilians in Afghanistan,..."
As government policy? No. It's ludicrous to imagine any western power advocating murder of civilians when it is bound to become public knowledge never mind the moral question. Not that it can't - ask the Belgians about the Congo.
As Armed Forces policy? No. This is obvious to those who understand that to solve the security issues in Afghanistan it takes "boots on the ground" to HELP the locals NOT air strikes and artillery concentrations such as practiced by the US.
Oh, and what purpose would it serve?
Even stupid privates in the Armed Forces know killing civilians is to be avoided if only because it makes their job more difficult.
If you mean to write, "accidentally killing" you would be right.
So, are you just sloppy or perhaps rousing the incorrect rabble?
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