I would suggest this pardoxical relationship is an application of the 'bring it on' policy enunciated by bush dubya.
The policy appears to work as follows : to those who think it will aid their cause to kill jews and the allies of jews, we say, bring it on, go right ahead, we shall even make your path smooth to achieve your kills, because the small number you achieve will cause vastly greater losses to you and yours when we retaliate, and more importantly, we control western and increasingly global public opinion, which will support us more and more uncritically after each of your attempts.
The vastly greater loss seems to be George's. Regardless of who is what and who is working for what group (or appears to be, or thinks he is..). the loss of lives and disruption of their society is very great but in the end it appears that there is no winning for the U.S., Britain and Israel. The debt piles up. They can borrow "fiat" money as long as U.S. citizens have confidence-but obviously they are losing confidence with the boy-King.
Eventually, they will lose confidence in the whole thing.
All my reading, which is fascinating-
I love history-tells the same story.
From ancient times Arabs traded with Hebrews. Arabs allowed Shepardic Jews to live in Spain, where they became quite wealthy. Arabs traded slaves with Jews for centuries--and played some important roles in furnishing knowledge that led to the accumulation of wealth: maps, mathematics and so on.
And how were they repaid? When Zionists were given a tiny piece of land, they came as an invading party-with tanks-destroying homes of people who owned the land and had lived there for centuries.
Such perfidity! I don't believe that the fighters and resistance people would ever be so arrogant as to say
"bring it on"--but the U.S. jumped into a big sea with a lot of history and a lot of players--too many to figure out. I think, in the end, they will finish us and George Bush will be history.
Did my comment register?
What I meant is that in the historical picture Arabs have been
there for milleniums. We were always taught-in elementary school that the Tigris-Euphrates was the "birthplace of civilization".
The U.S. is essentially heavily in debt. Are the British out of Iraq yet? Tony's had enough? He doesn't have that pink-cheeked look. He seems to look a lot older.
Apparently they didn't think about all the "colonies" lost. One by one they were thrown out or gave up everywhere--they lost their Empire and it seems so crazy for them to even begin to think they could start that over again.
They may have a lot of weapons, a lot of money to undermine, pay spies, cause all kinds of mayhem
and they have the stinking useless press bought and paid--but in the end, I don't think people will be dominated by this Zionist, English, American-cabal. I realize the Bush's
have been in the game for a very long time--but eventually they all end up at the same destination. Old, dead and forgotten.
This is Cjeen. Not anonymous.
Are we having trouble here tonight?
Cjenn, it sometimes loses your ID, nothing unusual.
I agree, but the context for all this is the process of rivalling monomanias which I discussed in the previous thread. My use of the phrase 'killing Jews (and their allies)' indicates the nature of these monomanias - they are species like, in that the compulsion to destroy the 'threat' respembles that displayed by humans towards certain non human species they have determined to be invasive and parasitic - it beomes a no holds barred species struggle. Individuals cease to matter, and very high casualties become par for the course. One needs to understand what it is in Jewish history that causes Jewish interaction with other cultures to take on this species like quality, often termed 'racism', but this term in itself explains little or nothing, and in any case the most vivid 'racist' mataphors are always species ones. The process of killing terrorists is, for instance, very much like that of squashing bugs - one knows there are an indefinite number of bugs, but gains satisfaction from squashing as many as one can.
I think it's human nature to rally against any form of threat against a particular people, nationality or even a village let alone a single family or person.
One of the first human instincts is to identify the enemy who threatens you. The psychological dynamics of this generated fear is profound.
The psych war is very effective in disorientating people's focus.
Such acts as the 9/11 attacks, that somewhat came out of nowhere, is a good example. The government determined who the bad "guys" were before the general population was able to put the facts together as to who may have actually been the perpetrators.
Trust is a very noble human trait, yet very susceptible.
but the contradictory quality of jewish history - the fact that it has been very 'cosmopolitan' without ceasing to be very insular - produces an added element of combined familiarity and strangeness which is really uncanny.
An example of this is the magazine title which has been chosen to mount a counter attack against Walt and Mearsheimer. Though very obviously a Jewish product, it calls itself 'The American Thinker', as if to say, we know what real american thinking is better than you do:
http://www.americanthinker.com/
They interact in a species-like quality--presently (in this age) by killing supposed "terrorists".
If Mossad has infiltrated most, of not almost all "terror" groups (which makes perfect sense-since American and some European people need to be constantly convinced that they are being protected from terrorists)--these attacks (real and fabricated in the "news") seem to be escalating-IF THATS POSSIBLE- coming up to a U.S. election. The Democrats are clueless about this whole thing--OR have many middle and upper class Jewish voters and just don't know how to deal with this--or can't.
What makes the Jews behave in the way they are now in this all consuming war? Could it be that they lived for hundreds of centuries in small groups, keeping their language, religion and their ability to conduct trade and deal in money and loans to themselves?
Anyone who became "an enemy" (i.e. the Catholic Church) became the target of centuries of all out war: propaganda, economic destruction,
infiltration and endless war on Catholics-as the Irish?)
Naturally, after orchestrating many wars, international conflicts and the downfall of nation-states--the lives of human beings aren't important.
(Liberal Jews, or Leftist, pretend to be more 'concerned' but not enough to lose much sleep over the whole thing--they usually just write a book without putting the blame exactly where it belongs--they still manage to make a little money in these hard times! I consider that a form of "war-profiteering". What would we do without them? They are the only ones keeping us Half informed! Or, misinformed!)
Being endogamous and keeping higher learning, (particularly economics)AND money-making, within their own circles along with their ability to control governments and police states--that gives you a controlling, killing machine that operates only for a small group of people.
They are in control of almost everything on the planet. Combine that with right wing political thinking--the result is endless persecution of the "other species".
(That includes all the people living--outside of their tribe or group.
We are all insects: "worker" insects!
Who must be controlled and at times, rewarded and entertained.
And always lied to and reassured.
If that doesn't work, there are drugs, alcohol and prisons.)
American "thinkers".
Thats impossible.
Bruce Tefft--former CIA..
advisor to NY City Police..
29yrs..of "counterterrorism experience"!!
Truly worthless and sick.
Encouraging people like Blackwater.
Somewhere between frightening and just stupidity dangerous.
Computer is very slow.
Might be better tonight.
Sorry, The American Thinker was a bit hard to find. One is on Yahoo..
the other takes time to locate.
"The Coming Muslim Threat to Europe.."
The Yahoo site was more military/
this is slicker--
Muslim bashing 'reading material'.
They DO know HOW Americans think!
Rowan,
One of the greatest error's a people can make is to pronounce that they are unique and have been the only chosen people of God.
That is, right from the beginning, a superior and exclusive message to send out into the world.
The Talmud could have been prima facia evidence at Nueumberg if the Zionist had been accused of the crimes that Hitler and Germany were condemned universally for having committed.
There is no good news for the rest of humanity. That's why I believe they are a pathological and doomed species.
They almost faded away into oblivion during the nineteenth century!
Their cosmological anomally will end when absract wealth is no longer availible to them, let alone, to their
christian varity of Zionism.
Mathahir, of Malaysia, understood this all to clearly. Take away their right to hoard excessive wealth and they'll go away. He removed the mindset that would allow a nation to die because of the excesses of the few.
Isn't this self eveident?
I don't think it is true that "Liberal Jews, or Leftist, pretend to be more 'concerned' but not enough to lose much sleep over the whole thing", exactly - a very important internal dimension of the perpetual jewish intellectual and spiritual crisis has to do with feminism. Jewish feminists really are not just messing ariound, they are serious. However, they tend to get dragged along by the sheer species like negativity of the kabbalists, which threatens/promises to reduce the entire spiritual status quo and all religious history to mind rubble. A prospect which on the whole they find irresistible, so they don't spill the beans to the rest of us, or even to their non jewish sisters, as feminist ethics would normally demand. The whole internal balance of terror within the jewish world is endlessly fascinating really, and I truly wish I was fluent in their language.
Of course, any jewish (esp Israeli) feminist who is reading this is welcome to prove me wrong, by spilling the beans aforesaid.
Almost as weird as the jewish feminist problematic is the jewish secularist problematic, of which I have personal experience, in that a jewish secularist tried once to teach me his new version of the jewish prayers according to the presocratics - the idea being that the institution of jewishness with its prayers is very wonderful and should be preserved on an atheist basis. See:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
727575.html
Starhawk has written quite extensively on Palestine from the Jewish feminist (pagan) perspective, and Israeli punk Liad Kantorowicz as well. Amira Haas, feminist? I'd say humanist. Jennifer Lowenstein, Suzanne Goldenberg.
It's the jewish MEN (the Tikkunites I call them) that are so terrorised by their own community they are the mousiest of mice.
Kabbalah? A perpetual motion money making machine trolling for celebrities, the kosher version of Scientology 
One of the feminine aspects of Jewish theology was the abandoning of the ideal of Sophia. Its origin, being Greek, means "wisdom."
They rejected her in favor of "knowledge".
The pre-Socratic schools were fascinating but it's just another pathetic attempt to give the secular Jew credibility by way of a pseudo intellectual distance (maybe) from the Kabbalah.
Pythagoras and his sacred numbers! What's going to happen if some Egyptian comes passing thru the Shtetl and informs the Rabbi about the concept of "non-rational numbers"? Does that mean he can always blame some Arab goy for being anti-Pythgorean?
Joking!
Liad Kantorowitz appears on google in relation to 'anarchists against the wall', who are associated with uri avnery and gush shalom. Avnery himself however remains a left zionist.
My real point concerns exposés of kabbalah, and in particular of its more demonic aspects, and is not specifically a feminist one, though I should imagine that jewish feminists would know something about the subject.
Sderot family complains about traumatized parrot
Cohen family, who lives near town's rocket alert system's speakers, says its pet parrot constantly screams 'Red Dawn'
Matan Tzuri, Yediot Ahronot, 19 June 2006
Cookie the parrot, who belongs to the Cohen family in Sderot, has apparently undergone a trauma as a result of the ongoing rocket barrage the town has been subjected to in the last months.
The proximity of the Cohen's house to the town's rocket alert system's loudspeakers, which go off whenever a Qassam is launched at the area and sound the words "Red Dawn," seems to have affected the parrot badly.
"Once he used to curse and talk like a parrot, but now all he screams all the time is 'Red Dawn'," owner Yaakov Cohen, who has had Cookie for two years, complained.
While Cookie may have learned something new, the Cohens themselves, who recently had a little baby girl, suffer greatly from the loud noise coming from the speakers day and night.
"We asked for the speakers to be removed because this is impossible. Our children are too scared to listen to it," Cohen said.
You are like the greatest spin-meister since Nick Naylor. Every time the Arab world does something terrible, you immediately work on finding a way to either "prove" that 1) Israel really did it to make Arabs LOOK bad or 2) It never actually happened.
You should really be working for the tobacco companies dude. You missed your calling
you should really be whoring for drugs on skid row - "dude"
Rowan:
What? That doesn't even make any sense! Why are you so nasty? You are one angry guy. I suspect the Israel hating is a substitute for something constructive in your life, but I don't know you, so I'm not sure.
just what the world needs today, another jewish amateur psychologist
And now the bungling Belgian has been given another 12 months to continue with his understaffed enquiry.
That was on June 12th ... see anything about his report to UN denying any problems with Syrians helping, etc.,
MSM have been told to lose interest now that quick minded sheeple are asking questions.
Cicero had it..cui bono Who benefits (ie from death of Hariri) ...well Israel hasn't suffered.
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