Great point. And being that Palestinians have now been marginalized even more with sanctions, I would add that Israel has gotten over 100 billion dollars from the US, not to mention the billions of reparations from Germany, the UK, and others. While Palestine gets nothing and Israel and the US are to blame. This would be worthy of pointing out too.
Nice post. Good to see you opting for the lowest possible level of subtlety on this issue, Zymph. You're already on the record for admitting that your intended target is dumber than a can of paint. Stopping just short of hitting them on the head with a hammer was worth a try.
Xympho Baby, saying that any [x] is "much worse" than any [y] is foolhardy.
"Why aren’t Nakba Revisionists, or anyone who uses Israeli mythology to enable the illegal ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, on trial?"
Well that is because Israel is a Jewish Supremacist, racist state and the life of a Palestinian is comparable to that of a dog in the eyes of her citizens. They would happily exterminate the Palestinians if they thought they could get away with it.
Outside of Israel everyone is scared to open their mouth from fear of being falsely smeared as a Jew hater by Jewish Supremacists living in their own country.
I will not even bother to comment on the international joke that has become the mainstream media.
Slowly, slowly the dam is crumbling, at an accelerating pace.
The best way to deal with these comparatives is to ridicule them with absurd assertions made straight faced, here is my favourite, from the dotty Ukrainian outfit known as MAUP:
KIEV, Ukraine, Sept. 19, 2004 (JTA) — One of Ukraine’s most powerful politicians has refused to denounce a leading Ukrainian newspaper for publishing a virulently anti-Semitic article asserting that 400,000 Jews joined the S.S. during the Nazi invasion of Ukraine in 1941. In an exclusive interview with JTA, Aleksandr Moroz, leader of the Socialist Party of Ukraine and a candidate for president in elections scheduled for Oct. 31, said he was in no position to determine the veracity of the notorious opinion piece in Silski Visti, or Village News. “I have defended Silski Visti and will continue to do so,” Moroz said. “I personally think the argument of the author of the article, Vasily Yaremenko, citing 400,000 Jews in the S.S. is incorrect, but I am not in a position to know all the facts.”
The Nakba is a meme gaining force as of late - not just here. Neat-O
Israeli Jews and to a great extent Jews at large are in constantly deepening doo doo over the beach shells - not so much the fact of the shelling, as the attempts to lie about it, which are getting more and more far fetched - i think Israeli credibility is going to be destroyed publicly, or if you prefer polarised publicly into the obvious (they lie shamelessly) and the "my mind is made up, don't bother me with the facts" school - this has not been the case up til now, though many may say that for them privately it has.
Israeli "credibility"??????
I went down the rabbit hole searching for those "feminists"--who are the exception to the rule that the Left doesn't care--very much.
Found a good site ..follow Liad Kanlorowirz--its a sort of Arab/Izraeli IE--details about the beach shelling+ another section about
Arab transvestites...
"qliphothic" led to a band called (fittingly) Handful of Hate.
From gliphothic found Gamichicoth--
which "devours and wastes the substance of thought and creation"!!
VERY apropo--don't you think?
Great post. Wish there was some way of getting those good old folks to read, understand and believe it.
TAZ,
haven't heard from you in a while.
The site is www.alternativenews.org.
We don't get anything COMPARABLE.
The comment was made earlier about the press...
I think you are either on one side or the other.
Also, almost all media in U.S. is Jewish owned.
Good for you, Cjenn.
I have been interested in occultism for years, and I have always been aware that, at least since the European Middle Ages, Christian scholars have been fascinated by the sinisterness of much Jewish Kabbalah (some of what you find may be bogus, though, because occultism is a field rife with free enterprise, but you won't find much that is deliberately constructed to make Jews look nastier than they naturally are, that would be too obscure to be worth doing, few people outside the occult scene would notice).
A woman said, today, she just didn't understand why people don't see--
someone else sent me an email that if everyone would just send $5,000--
"that it takes money, time and commitment to end this horrible war"....yeah.
The people out at the pool are interesting... lately when someone with darker skin is out --there are no blondes.When all the blondes are out--they are the only ones there. They have self-segregated! I'm sure "somebody" felt some vibes and this is how it will be.
Zionists have taken advantage of the European and American prejudices and have played them off for a long time.
(maybe they created them-with the introduction of slavery.)
THIS is why--people read the news and see what they want. The War in Iraq will go on and on. And Israeli murder and degradation of Palestine will go on and on.
This inbred racism was here from the beginning and Jews have "played" it..from lying history to land grabs, wars.
Killing Arabs is perfectly justified, by most American thinking.
Just 15 years ago it was Blacks.
The only difference is that it is now in their backyards...its all come back..what Malcolm X said--makes more sense now.
The Wall...symbolic. They have reestablished the ghetto.
aha -spelling!
http://www.google.com/search?q=l...d%
20kantorowicz
Talking of revisionism, here are some interesting videos:
http://youtube.com/profile_video...?
user=denierbud
Uh... could the reason be that the loss of Palestinian homes and territory was all their fault and that they all gambled their property rather than to accept a partition plan?
No one forced the Arabs from their homes. Just get that delusion out of your heads. The truth is, 99% of Palestinians would rather die than live in peace with Jews. 99% of Jews would rather live in peace with Arabs than die.
ha ha, you're kidding, right Sir Gawain? Try your statement like this:
Uh... could the reason be that the loss of Jewish homes and jobs was all their fault and that they all gambled their property rather than to accept a n emigration plan?
No one forced the Jews from their homes. Just get that delusion out of your heads. The truth is, 99% of Jews would rather die than live in peace with Germans. 99% of Germans would rather live in peace with Jews than die.
How does that work for you?
It works like the rest of the silliness on this site.
Look either you guys are all the biggest bunch of idiots or you're the agents of evil.
Sir Gawain, You've had a few too many circuits of the Round Table and become dizzy methinks!!
The cure for ignorance, Gawain, is education. Noone (except the PTB) reaps anything but misery from these constant conflicts. Allow me to give you a couple of hints: the US is no longer "the land of the free and the home of the brave", if it EVER was AND Israel is NOT "the only democracy in the Middle East" since it is not a democracy. Also a few links to begin your re-education:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast...enner/
index.htm
http://hnn.us/articles/3166.html
http://www.palestineremembered.c...d/
Story725.html
Now, now, Rowan: Liad Kantorowicz has joined with CPT many times in helping Palestinian villagers protect their harvest and breaking blockades; I wouldn't lump her with 'lefty Zionist" Avnery so easily.
And Starhawk is pretty cool herself, actually has a bigger presence in feminist circles.
I would think the most 'feminist' act they could do would be to get together and make lots of Arab-Jewish babies, but that's just me, of course 
Why do these zionists give themselves such good jewish names like Gawain?
You're on the wrong thread, Atlan - but for every sincere jewish or israeli feminist there are about a million media whores, like this one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
gender...1802335,00.html
Sir Garwain's latest switch from oafish and infantile propositions to vacuous insults was mercifully quick. But, as is so often claimed by Nakba deniers, his public humiliation is everybody else's fault, apparently because no-one had time to warn him that he was on a collision course with his own rhetoric. I wonder what Homer Simpson would say?
What public humiliation? From the likes of you idiots? Here's what we all know:
1) None of you has ever been to Israel. None. Thus, by talking about that which you do not know, you are idiots. And don't try the "I don't have to be there to know" line. When it comes to indecent accusations of this kind, yes you do have to see it in person and in context to make such claims.
2) You hate Jews who are proud to be Jews. You get to think you're not Anti-Semites because you don't hate the Jews, like Xymph, who openly admit they hate their fellow Jews. That's kind of like White Southerners in the U.S. in the 50's and 60's who said they weren't racists because after all, they didn't hate the "good" niggers. You also hate the United States and the Western world in general. You believe "Might makes wrong," which is just as silly as always believing "Might makes Right."
3) Any disagreement with the "Israel is Evil" line on this blog is met with the angriest rebuke.
That's the shareholder-cum-film-critic's defense, Sir G. "You can't say this is a dreadful movie until you've seen it for yourself!"
Even you must have discovered what a misguided concept that is - unless of course one's circle of aquaintances is incapable of distinguishing a terrific movie from a dud.
I've been there, punk.
It has its charms, rather nightmarish ones, like visiting a non human planet.
those revisionist videos are also available at:
http://zamphir.litek.ws
pretty cool huh?
Rowan:
Stop using epithets like punk and whore. Or maybe you should keep using them and continue to show what a terrible person you must be.
And no way do I believe you've been to Israel.
Gawain,
Are you a Celt? If not, why are you using a Celtic mythological name as your preference?
If you are not Celt maybe "Sharon" might be a better site name for you.
I'm a Vietnam era veteran and heard enough bullshit nationalistic rhetoric, like yours, to last me several life times. Your hero state is an international pariah and an international disgrace (so is ours). This is just not my opinion but the overall international view of Israel, and lately, of the US.
I have spoken to IDF soldiers who fled to the US after their hitch of mandatory service ended.
The young know what is not conductive to healthy mental stability as it exhaust's and corrupts Israel's young. These are young men of honor who have decided they want an end to Israel's "never-ending war". More American's have stated that they are tire of the Middle east intrigues of the Zionist State. A people who would refer to non Jews as goyim (cattle) can also make that short leap of finding their own citizen (servants), of the international finance capital bankers, as nothing more than "grist for the mill".
Even giant states have been brought to their knee's in time. There are many different means of accomplishing this. No matter how much sword rattling Israel makes, nuclear or conventional.
If empires have shorter life spans as history evolves what makes you think that Israel will survive much longer? Its efforts for Eretz Yisrael will be in vain if it continues on its chosen path.
When? Ten, twenty, maybe thirty years? The enemy is within and can be stubborn!
p.s.,
Eretz Yisrael will never happen.
There may be a million Jewish media whores, which makes finding the rare gem, priceless.
But I'm not holding my breath for the rest of them to join the human race...
Arguing with these guys is the classic troll feeding problem - I am still smarting from the insane barracking I got at Mary Rizzo's blog. So I shan't.
However my visit to the Land of Promise (promise of hell on earth) was a long long time ago, in fact it was between the wars (1967 and 1973).
I remember a lot of things others will find typical. For instance, half way across the Negev, the guy who was driving me and the girl I was with insisted on stopping and unearthing a carefully planted piece of rag, which was all that was left of an Arab he claimed to have killed there (he was trying to impress the girl).
On the other hand, Roger Waters is doing his gig there tonight, which will be broadcast on Reshet Bet and Galei Zahal - Bet is here:
http://media.iba.org.il
(drop down menu)
This may be a good place to mention that from time to time some Israeli band or other makes a really haunting record - if Tal is reading this perhaps s/he could advise me on how to get hold of some of the excellent Israeli underground music.
Haaretz has now opened its columns to the massed gordes of manic commenting jewish assholes, so you get this (scroll down to see them):
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
729817.html
uh... gordes, hordes, what does it matter as long as they love their mothers.
p.s. I have been banned from Haaretz comments and the London Guardian's laughably named "comment is free" comments too. I'm cryin.
I'm actually rather sorry for the ones who wake up to the realities, which after all cannot be denied forever. It isn't their fault, they locked into a collective trip to hell. Our problem is to make sure they don't take the rest of the world with them, which is what their so-called 'leaders' intend to do (it's a bluff they intend to carry through with, as they did with Monica, if you all recall, they told Clinton they would finish him if he didn't do as he was told, and they did it).
p.s. - positively my final post until further notice - there seems to be a worldwide effort to wheel out the "let's defend oppressed gays and lesbians against evil Islam" card.
what a joke - Bush must be back on drugs.
Are you referring to Raimondo's latest effort, "Odyssey to America", over at antiwar.com?
And, paraphrasiing something you said earlier on another thread: whatever the fate of the Muslims in the ME, the Palistinian cause is lost, is reinforced for me (sadly) by this interview: http://www.chroniclesmagazine.or....html?
seemore=y
Not just Justin... stuff going on in the unhappy 'state of Israel' too...
John, I think that interview is full of tendentious misrepresentations. For instance, what the interviewee says of the 'bazaar mentality' is much more demonstrably true of Israel's own policies than of Iran's.
The Ontology of XYMPH and the Comments Section:
1) While the Western powers are all evil, Israel is the greatest evil because it's a creation of Western Jews... but we are not Anti-Semites.
2) Anyone who argues with us in the comments section is either a Jew or a Jew masquerading as someone else... but we are not Anti-Semites.
3) We only like Jews who hate Israel, unless they turn out to be like Noam Chomsky who has the gall to deny Israeli evil-doers control the United States government... but we are not Anti-Semites.
4) We take a cue from the KKK's famous ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government) screeds of the past... but we are not Anti-Semites.
5) We enjoy denying that Jews even exist, defining them as Khazars or some other racial rather than religious group, trying to erase thousands of years of religious teaching and culture... but we are not Anti-Semites
6) All evil acts in the World are blamed on Israel or we deny they even occured. Sometimes we have a hard time giving up the blaming Israel for the deed tack when we deny incidents actually occured. It often leads to confusing positions like saying the Pentagon was not attacked, but if it was the Israelis did it and we have proof they did!... but we are not Anti-Semites.
7) There are about 170 nations in the world fueled by nationalist rhetoric, but only tiny Israel is to be singled out for its nationalism... but we are not Anti-Semites.
We talk about how the Israelis have stolen all the great treasures of the Palestinians, and yet at the same time we describe Israel as a Hellish place that Jews are leaving in droves... but we are not Anti-Semites.
Look folks, if there's really anyone on this site who doesn't really know he or she is truly an Anti-Semite, (and that's debatable), read the above list and realize that you are a Jew-hater... the second oldest profession in the World. Good luck with that.
I don't personally give a f*** whether I "am an anti-Semite" - the term holds absolutely no resonance for me.
What about Jew-hater, hate monger, bigot, etc?
I say let's call it even. I'll leave you guys to your Klan meeting if you all admit you're Jew-hating bigots in this section. That includes XYMPH, Atlan, Tiger Eye, all the grand dragons.
You say what you like, "dude", but the whole game is basically over. once upon a time 'Left' and 'Right' had some meaning (though it was debatable what it was), but since you and your friends started playing hunt the thimble with them, they have no meaning at all - 'race' and 'class' likewise, have become just games for rhetoricians. We all see through you, in other words.
Rowan:
You continue to make no sense. First you tell me there is no "you" and then you say you've figured me out.
What I have been saying for years, here and elsewhere,is that Judaism is not an 'identity', but a passive-aggressive psychosis. Naturally the addict of this psychosis (for, contrary to popular opinion, most psychoses are forms of addictive behaviour) resists understanding his condition.
Thank you Rowan. The clarity with which you expressed your bigotry and uncivilized nature in the above post should serve as a beacon to anyone on this site who thinks there's a difference between this and a KKK meeting.
I sincerely am grateful that your ugly hatred and mischaracterization of an entire people was so easily coaxed out of your vile mind.
I sincerely hope the FBI will soon characterize this blog as a hate site like Aryan Nation's sites, etc. You have just made that closer to happening. Thank you
no prob, 'sir'
Sir Gawain,
Real-estate problem:
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/
...rticle_30.shtml
And:
http://www.library.cornell.edu/c...ast/
jerques.htm
Got a claim?
Tiger:
Arab leaders told Palestinian Arabs to leave Israel in 1948 so that the combined forces coming from Arab countries could exterminate the Jews, after which the Arabs who had lived in the region could return.
You guys deny the overwhelming evidence that this was the case, contained within periodicals and confirmed radio announcements at the time — among them The Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, The New York Herald, London Economist, Time Magazine and Jordanian Daily Newspaper — that clearly reflected the push by Arab leaders to encourage the flight of their brethren for the purpose of the annihilation of the Jews and their reborn state. (A compiled list of critical quotes from reputable sources regarding this issue is available at standwithus.com/campus/pdfs/flyers/
ArableaderstellPalestinianstoFleein1948.pdf).
I cannot help but wonder why you fail to mention that approximately 150,000 Palestinian Arabs chose to remain in Israel in 1948, becoming Arab Israelis with descendants and friends that now number over 1 million. Growing numbers of Arab Israeli citizens, with representation in Israel’s Knesset, do not match with this accusation of ethnic cleansing.
"Arab leaders told Palestinian Arabs to leave Israel in 1948 so that the combined forces coming from Arab countries could exterminate the Jews, after which the Arabs who had lived in the region could return."
Interesting perspective, Sir Gawain, if it's true. It certainly throws a bright light at the on-going oxymoron "Arab Unity" and perhaps helps justify a lack of sympathy for the woes of 'intellectually challenged' arabs.
Unfortunately, it doesn't help your case. If it's OK to exterminate not terribly bright people who happen to be out-gunned then it's probably OK to exterminate really clever ones - if they happen be out-gunned (as is occuring in the case of Iraq's intellectuals right now).
The argument isn't about anti-Semitism. It's about the intellectual corruption necessary to justify extermination. If you can justify extermination then you are intellectually corrupt. Tie that to Nakba, anti-Semitism, Kleptocracy and the Holocaust.
The trouble with oafish and infantile propositions is that they're two way streets, but you treat them like one-way streets. What makes this pathological myopia so entertaining is that whenever you go public you're usually travelling the wrong way down one pf your own imaginary one way streets.
The childish barbs and accusations directed at the people who regularly and comfortably out-flank you here suggest another aspect to your myopia. Unlike your good self, they have the courage and humility to retract and/or apologise when they're caught out in a triumph of enthusiasm over commonsense or fact. You may choose to ignore that, but it leaves you without a shred of credibility by creating the impression that you are either a coward or a bigot.
"Arab leaders told Palestinian Arabs to leave Israel in 1948 so that the combined forces coming from Arab countries could exterminate the Jews, after which the Arabs who had lived in the region could return."
-- now, that's a REALLY old canard.
Why ask why?
Israelis never "exterminated" anyone Hoarse. In fact, Arabs deliberately kill more innocent Arabs in a day than Israelis kill innocent Arabs in a year or a decade.
The "Nakba" occured because thousands of Arab civilians wanted to get out of the way of a war theie own leaders started. I can't understand the tears for these people.
You're certainly not anti-semantic, Sir Gawain. Is that the smokey mirror of impending re-definition looming over "extermination"? The process of extermination begins with the death of one innocent. What follows illuminates the ultimate intent. Trials, punishment, apologies and compensation would be interpreted as strong mitigating factors.
On the other hand, let's pretend it's true that Palestinians deliberately kill more innocent Palestinians in a day than Israelis kill innocent Palestinians in a year or a decade. That particular oafish & infantile justification merely relegates Israel's moral high ground to the same gutter. If that ignoble principle is what Jews migrated to Israel to champion and defend then the world is entitled to ask if they've ever bothered to examine their motives.
The war to which you refer was an obligatory resistance to violent military occupation by a cult of disparate misfits united by a common interest in mendacity and kleptomania.
It's not a justification, and I realize the point about moral relativism. It's just hard to hear lies about history that always leave you on the short end of the stick. It makes no sense for the countries of the world to bang the Israel drum 24/7 for the accidental deaths of a few innocents when the same people are slaughtering each other en masse all the time. Are we trying to save innocent lives or bash Israel and the Jews?
"The war to which you refer was an obligatory resistance to violent military occupation by a cult of disparate misfits united by a common interest in mendacity and kleptomania."
I guess your definition of kleptomania is a few Jews trying to live in small settlements in places WHERE NO ONE HAD LIVED for centuries. Oh, and as small as it became it should be remembered that there was ALWAYS a Jewish community in Israel from 1000 BC onward. ALWAYS. The Jews never totally left.
Of course they never left, because they converted to Islam. Then a whole bunch of Khazars invaded them
The definition of kleptomania, as it applies to the Middle East's Only Democracy, is expansion onto a neighbor's property by violent disposession in preference to the customary medium of money.
While it may be cheaper it suggests that people who think this way are addicted to sado-masochistic misery. Israel is never described as a happy place and the world is awash with its tears of angry self-pity. Even your visits here are notable for the consistency with which you lead with your chin and then complain bitterly about the response from people better aquainted with the truth.
Exactly which pieces of land being cleared of houses and Palestinians this year haven't had Palestinians living on them for centuries? And which centuries are you referring to?
a more honest zionism would get rid of the stupid 'god gave it to us' argument and invoke Manifest Destiny instead. Or, going back a little further than the american indian wars, think of the wars against the Muslims as analogous to the English highland clearances. Note : don't tell me this is 'capitalism' - it's modernity.
If you want to invoke the American Indian Wars, perhaps the Palestinians should scalp a few Jewish settlers, which might get people's attention a lot more than their ridiculous Qassam rockets?
And regarding Muslims, I wouldn't equate their lot with the highland clearances, but, Vichy France and Norwegian Quislings.
'God gave it to us' is just for the masses in their crystal cathedrals and 700 clubs waving their Scofield Bibles; trust me, Zionists believe in their Manifest Destiny.
Sir Godless, Israel bashing is analogous with apartheid era South Africa bashing, or Vietnam War bashing, and only someone with a ridiculous sense of entitlement and well developed psychosis would equate that with Jew bashing 24/7
God has given Israel some pretty neat stuff over the decades. Palestine... A nice cheap lease on Congress...
I take exception to the term 'Israel bashing', because it implies violence, and the violence isn't coming from me, all that's coming from me is plain speech.
Let me just add, if some third party is so inflamed by my words that he takes it upon himself to find 'Sir Gawain' and blow his arrogant little head off, this is neither my fault nor my problem.
It is the 'Sir Gawain''s of this world who have gathered us in a firetrap theatre and scattered the kindling and the matches, precisely so that they have a pretext for installing global thought control laws to prevent anyone yelling "Fire!"
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