jesus f*ck - atrios has 964 comments on that story - who is gonna wade through that much?
A Radical's Diary
David Irving, April 7, 2007
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving...007/
070407.html
The German Government has quietly admitted that over the last twelve months it prosecuted over 18,000 Germans for offences of "right-wing extremism," of which only a few hundred involved actual violence: i.e. they prosecuted over seventeen thousand thought-crimes -- people unwitting displaying the old swastika emblem, or even worse, National Socialist ideas, and perhaps even "denying the H."
As the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung recently pointed out in a courageous editorial, most of these new criminal records have been sprung on ordinary citizens blissfully unaware of the criminality of their actions and thoughts, because the tame German media are too cowardly to report any of these cases -- even the major trials like those involving the revisionists Ernst Zündel and Germar Rudolf.
These absurd laws themselves are protected by fresh layers of other, even more absurd, laws making it impossible even for court-appointed attorneys to provide an adequate and conscientious defence to those accused under the thought-crime laws. Any German or Austrian lawyer who does, can be -- and frequently is -- himself ordered arrested by the judge, for having associated himself with these criminal thoughts and deeds. Zündel's court-appointed defence attorney Sylvia Stolz made herself unpopular with the prosecutor for "hampering the prosecution," and is now to be prosecuted for so hampering. Go figure, as the Americans say.
More than once my chosen Austrian lawyer, Dr Herbert Schaller, arrived in the Vienna prison with fresh horror tales from Zündel's Mannheim courtroom -- the judge Meinertzhagen had warned him that if he asked certain questions of the court, or made certain defence motions, he too would be arrested..
I remember that in January 1993, when I was tried in Munich under Germany's laws for the suppression of free speech, one of my three lawyers turned up apologetically on the morning of the hearing apologizing that he could not continue to act for me, as the Munich Bar Association had threatened him with dismissal -- i.e. the end of his career -- if he did. He showed me their actual letter. I was fined thirty thousand deutschmarks, around twenty thousand dollars, for uttering a single sentence which the Polish authorities now belatedly admit was true.
I noticed when I was in Viennese prison that the jailhouse, built to hold eight hundred malfeasors, currently held 1,400 inmates, a quarter of them Blacks. It was a tight fit but it was possible, provided we did not all breathe at the same time.
This morning I have received a letter from Frau K., an elderly Viennese lady in her nineties. Exercising what is the constitutional right of every citizen in most other countries, on September 27 of last year she had written a personal letter to the President of Austria, one Herbert Fischer -- a small, straw-haired gentleman of even smaller character and endowed with all the intellect and bearing of Lady Chatterley's gardener -- to protest against my arrest, trial, and imprisonment. "What D. I. said was right," she wrote in one passage of this incriminating letter.
She received no presidential reply? Right. -- She heard no more? Wrong.
On March 8 the Austrian criminal authorities sent her a letter fining her the sum of 200 euros under penalty of jail for having written these seditious words to their august president. No trial, no hearing, no defence -- no lawyer would have dared to defend her anyway.
This is the new Europe, coming soon to a jailhouse near us. I for one shall do my damndest to prevent it.
Surely this whole Maniacal judicious path will backfire terribly I find myself confused as to who would even consider that this tactic would bare fruit anything but bitter.
Alex from Perth - Hate tribunals (also known as Human Rights & Equal Opportunity Tribunals) have come to countries near you. They deal in "hurt feelings" and truth is no defense. The most adept at using these tribunals are those nice folks next door, a.k.a. the usual suspects.
yes - the recognition of subjective factors such as 'hurt feelings' in law is a disastrous error.
... and it is all starting all over again - all over the World, with the usual zeal and relish fueled by politicians who would be kings.
Fear fuels the fire and cowards are not rare.
Let us hope that the change comes before they rebuild the guillotines.
PropaZanda: The hypocrisy of the Media Battalion of the Zionaxis.
The Zion warriors are shaking so much, they are worried the guillotines will soon be lined up on their front lawns before they have a chance to escape. Normally they don't bother mentioning the 911 conspiracy people, but catching CNN bashing Rosie O'donnell this morning on their show proves they really are in panic mode now. But CNN, like so many others in the business of washing the governments backside, can't hide the truth anymore.
Let's never forget that their Atlanta headquaters got busted in March of 2000 for employing military 'Psychological operations personnel'. CNN employed (and probably still has) 1200 well trained Army soldiers and officers as regular employee's back in the year 2000. The duty of these "Psyops" personnel, was to help in the production of the news under an Army program known as "Training With The Industry" and one of their main jobs is to spread 'selected information.' Critics say that means dissemination propaganda. After the fraudulent news production was exposed, only 2 CNN producers were fired.
Breaking news.
That nice Mr Larry Silverstein, a simple jew, was duped into buying the 99 year lease on the WTC 6 weeks before 9/11 by labor unions, Carlisle Group and the wily British, so that they could make out like bandits on the insurance. The Canadians also did some reverse double crosses during the concurrent wargames. Not a single shred of evidence points to israel.
David Hawkins explains how to Eric Hufschmid (mp3).
http://www.hawkscafe.com/
And they wonder why people no longer buy newspapers.
Everything about the Surge is pathetic. Petraeus was interviewed on PBS Newshour late last week. Lehrer went in hard and direct. GenPet, the slippery little drone, was really struggling to salvage some credibility from the confusing and conflicting bullshit. Lehrer's usually a bit toothless but he was unusually tenacious, critical and focused, and covered all the bases.
Imo Petraeus will implode within a month. He didn't come close to hiding the fact that he's a very worried stooge.
Petraeus is a dutch Jew. and the EFPs are coming from Isarel.
And David Hawkins probably is Jewish too.
Hawkins has the strange theory that surplus Raytheon rocket engines were used in the Twin Towers. The interview should be fun.
What I found sickening on the day of 911. I came home early from work and shortly after the 2nd tower collapsed , 2 Canadian TV stations suddenly put on XXX hardcore video's. This was still early on in the morning and my buddy , who himself is a fireman and had stopped by the house with his wife and 2 kids. We couldn't believe what we just saw and I had to quickly change channels. What the fuck was that about? I was so distraught about the plane crashes that I forgot which Canadian broadcasters put on the porn.
That sounds like the story Mike Jones tells in his "Rabbi Dresner's Dilemma", about the Israelis doing this on Palestinian TV stations while they had soldiers occupying them.
Hawkins seems to me to be talking nonsense, but Eric is gradually taking his story to bits.
Oh, and Hawkins says Saddam Hussein, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore & the UN had a hand in 9/11. Laundering oil-for-food money through Swiss banks passed off as dead firemen's insurance money. He's naming them all in a RICO suit, that'll fix them, even Saddam.
and just to top it off, he has a poncy british accent
righteo, do you have any theories on who planetquo is, and who he hates the DBS/Huff/Bollyn trio so much?
back to hawkins ... there are so many silly aspects to his story that I don't know where to start. Being a canadian neocon, he is determined to convince anyone who is willing to listen that a far left conspiracy, in league with UBL, 'organised crime', and NEW YORK LABOR UNIONS, seized control of most of the western world by using telecommunications expertise.
he really seems to want the canadian state to be overthrown, too. he says it is riddled with etc.
the shanksville impact was apparently caused by the tail unit of flight 93 being blown off in mid air when the pilots fired the rocket engines.
I shall refrain from further comment, I hope
I can't help mentioning, in the second half he is using a lot of Laurie Mylroie's notions too, without acknowledgement.
http://www.benadorassociates.com...com/
mylroie.php
The impression I got was that Hufschmid was there to accuse Israel and to be seen to be accusing Israel to a preposterous degree, and Hawkins, voice of reason, sets him straight by "following the evidence," and not any pet theories, to the truth.
And that would kind of make Hufschmid like a *stooge*.
What do others think?
David Hawkins is a provocateur. He desperately tries to distract the real facts about 911 and the real perpetrators.
He has been heard to claim that he 'loves' Bush & Cheney...not that some of the things he claim are not plausible.
This will have been an interesting experience for Eric : Hawkins is following a classical rogue security script, painting everyone from Chomsky to the labor unions as baathists. MI5 would love him.
"Credit Ford Motor Co. CEO Alan Mulally with saving the leader of the free world from self-immolation."
We are the unluckiest people in the world.
Hawkins claims that his message has reached ten million people (via Alex Jones mainly I suppose) - and he tries to lure Eric with the promise of an Alex Jones sized audience if he takes up this neocon line!
What I mean by a "rogue security script" is simple. The guy emerges from within your own security undergrowth, and announces that your country's entire security system has been compromised and taken over by -- guess who -- the people your country's rulers are most interested in having a war with, anyway.
All these guys are obvious because their scripts revolve around yesterday's "official enemies" -- saddam, the commies, the red chinks, etc.
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), the paper cited by Irving above, is the mouthpiece of Frankfurt's banking elite.
This is the same paper that remained strangely muted when, in 1989, Alfred Herrhausen, then Chairman of the Deutsche Bank, was murdered by his kindred.
Another recent event to proof their gilt-edge bias: they have covered the captured British marines for the duration as a "Geiselaffäre" (hostage affair) in their screaming headlines.
They do an excellent job persuading middle-class Germany that "Muslim demographic bomb" cum "terror" are the greatest threat to civilization since Attila. It reeks of the Zionist program with a heavy dosis of Orwellian "re-education". One might perhaps better call it Herzilia-am-Main Allgemein.
Their recognizing that there are 18'000 thoughtcrimes annually in Germany is just an attempt to pander to German paleo-conservatives who are critical of blind submission to US policies, and to the overwhelming Zionist propaganda constantly spewed in German media.
Sorry, but as I am writing from Germany, I truly have to mind my words. You know, here you have your freedom of speech guaranteed, unless of course, you decide to exercise it.
I meant Alfred Herrhausen's "banking kindred." Not his real relatives.
The reason "infidels" are allowed to go to Mecca is because their presence would defile the holy site.
damn, I meant aren't allowed to go..
My point in saying this is that it isn't sheer bigotry to have concerns about the influx of immigrants that will change culture. May be the culture should change, so be it, but to consider the change and may be even to resist it, isn't wrong. I do not mean to point my finger at the Muslims. I would apply what I say to any group going to any part of the world.
in Frankfurt are over 30% immigrants officially, in some quarters much more. If you´re lucky to meet germans in the center of the town, they talk in low voices not to be noticed. In some schools are 80% foreigners, mostly Turks.
Into the Western lands are constantly pushed immigrants in masses, a new proletariate of displaced, uprooted people without culture in slums, to be a lowlife laborforce without solidarity or opposition. American lifestyle with some Disneylands for tourists.
were are my blessed glasses, i meant to say you have to be able to read russian, hebrew, turkish to understand the Franfurt Allgemein Ztoiletpaper.
Sounds like Arizona or Colorado...
what is the problem with "immigrants"?
Obviously, if you follow their path, they were brought into any country by the owners of property and business (Guess who?) to clean bathrooms, hotels, plant flowers, do construction and work on farms. At low wages with no rights. Next, they
are forced by circumstances (such as low wages, poverty and their stinking employer) to live in their stinking rotten employer's cousin's slums. Uh, ghettos. They are called
"barios" here. Where the same stinking people who needed the cheap labor now import tons of white powder to turn their daughters into whores! If you don't like "immigration", you have to take that up with the no-good, rotten, slimy as..hls who set up the system for their convenience! And we all know Who they are!
Can I get a copy of the Hagadah at my local library? Does it actually say that they are supposed to
"...pour scorn on all non-Jews"!?
My grandfather was an immigrant. He worked very hard in Rockefeller's steel mill. The "immigrant" is not the problem. Rockefeller sent his men after a group of people who asked for a decent living. What!
They were machine gunned and burned alive in their tents. The Ludlow Massacre--Trinidad, Colorado.
Same people bring in the "immigrant" for low paid labor.
I have two new neighbors, in my "ghetto". My personal little piece of Hell. They are both tribal. One even introduced himself to me yesterday. They are trying to be nice. I am not.
Who is it that continues to contend that 2% of the U.S. population is tribal. I guess all 2% live in Northern California.
Funny, even they have to live in their own ghettos!!!
Oh, what I could tell you about the "barrio", where almost everyone is a drug user. Where parents beat and sexually abuse their children or allow the neighbors to do it.
Where everything that matters is drugs and money. Now--as LeRoy Jones-
wrote WHO...does that. Who creates the ghettos?
This immigration thing is getting disgusting. You are not at all displeased to share European heaven with Jews--BUT not Arabs or immigrants from Turkey ect.
Well, come here and try Fresno California. Where kids get beaten, raped by their own fathers and killed before they even enter school.
Schools another thing: worse than prisons. Gang members everywhere.
Forty kids in a room, with no interest in learning and mostly high.
If they survive all of that--prison is waiting.
I don't know what the whinning about immigrants is all about. You are lucky you aren't one!
But for "fortune" you would have been born in Mexico or South America
and end up in wonderful California!
Or work on the border in a "maquiladora". I hear life there is very cool too!
If you continue to blame the victimized--instead of the people who make the profits, we will all have no way out of this hell.
Sorry.
The switching of the problem onto those who suffer- works very well and has for a long time.
It also works very well in times of low employment.
And when governments screw up--
as in spending 2 trillion dollars in Iraq. Then you talk about putting up a fence along the border with Mexico.
Its those Mexicans, or those Arabs.
Its really the Jews....
but people don't see them.
They don't have darker skin, well most of the time.
Can I get a copy of the Hagadah at my local library? Does it actually say that they are supposed to "...pour scorn on all non-Jews"!?
-- the aggadah is the commentary on the mishnah, which is the laws proper. together they make up the Talmud. You can read them at the Carol A Valentine look-alike's site, come-and-hear.
One small thing about immigration. In about 20 years there will be no "white America" or Europe..maybe in small places.
The great thing is that even the controller of our lives can't do
anything about it.
I hope that they will be better than we have been--although most of the ads and t.v. programs in Spanish seem to cater to the same "you are the consumer" treatment.
I hope the Arab population in Europe resists being the next century's consumers of all that the tribe produces. Since they came from a superior civilization, hopefully they will build something much better in the future. When the Arab
population becomes the majority in Europe, I can't imagine the same crap going on as in the courts and newspapers.
great quote from daryl b smith today:
"Pandora is out of the box, ladies and gentlemen, you can't put her back in... "
Rowan, that was quite confusing.
I went from Valentine to E. Dilling..
I think I would rather find it in one book. Is the Hagadah and other parts in one place--one book
as in the Bible?
(With an index or chapters.)
I can see this will take some time.
There is a copy of the Talmud in the library, but I don't think it could possibly contain all that the Valentine site was referring to.
To call the Talmud confusing is a bit like calling a thunderstorm damp.
The translations situation is this. The basic body of laws (the Mishnah) exists in an excellent 1933 Oxford University Press english translation by the episcopalian cleric, Danby. It's about 800 pages of fairly small print, and it isn't cheap - probably a couple of hundred bucks.
The Aggadah or commentary is bulkier than the original laws, so the enitre Talmud reproduced in english print should take about 8000 pages.
The Talmud that Carol Valentine uses is the Soncino one, of which she has reproduced about half on her site. This is a somewhat bowdlerised translation apparently but it is the best available and nowadays is only available on CD - no longer in printed form, where it took up forty bound volumes or something.
I see. Its hard to imagine how devote Jewish families read through all that...forty volumes?
So it won't be easy to find the exact
wording, "pour scorn upon them".
I have been to Atrios...they seemed to be drinking and posting. And they are still mentioning H. Dean. I suppose that wasn't serious.
I give up, for tonight.
How come its the best available?
Maybe I should find a local synagogue--would they have all 8,000 pages?
The nearest synagogue would be in Sacramento. Maybe Redding.
I can't believe the majority of the population in this town is Jewish and they don't have a few copies.
I guess they are all "secular" now.
As I mentioned before...many have converted. Guess there was just too
much reading involved.
The CD is basically the same as what is on come-and-hear but including as much material again, of less interest, so I really think you should stick with come-and-hear (assuming you are not on dialup - and if you are, you can download the whole of come-and-hear and browse it offline).
Illegal immigrants the victims? That's just bloody ridiculous. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say, cjenn.
RB 1:27 pm - have had a look at http://planetquo.com and have no idea at all. It seems to be fairly eclectic with some UK content. It tries to be in the Truthseeker-Rense-Prison Planet-Infowars genre. The comedy sketch of arabs disguised as israelis celebrating the Towers, and confession of Walid Mohammad bin Attash might be original. Links to iamthewitness and Bollyn's articles so does he/she have any animus towards them?
The site irritates me to the extent that it opens audio & video files automatically.
Do you have any reservations/comments about planetquo?
s/he seems to be 'plus royaliste que le roi' as regards DRB/Huff/Bollyn, saying that they pull their punches. This is a very common 'provocateur' pose - to appear on the scene ex nihilo so to say, and announce that everyone else is a 'zionist stoolie' or something...
there is stuff on iamthewitness today specifically about this sort of harassment, but to really figure it out one would have to unwind all the wound-up people at NOLAJBS and figure THEM out, because they are always involved somehow.
As for Hawkins, the guy is the conspiracy theorist to end all conspiracy theorists. Could be he's on his own slightly nutty private crusade to make the world a better place etc; or "Hawkins is following a classical rogue security script, painting everyone from Chomsky to the labor unions as baathists. MI5 would love him." - RB 3:16 pm
Some people would hear Hawkins, roll eyes, and regard all 9/11 skeptics in the same light: confabulists. Maybe that's Hawkins' day job. An immunisation program against 9/11 skepticism aimed at rather dim & complacent tories. Or get some of them chasing will o' wisps.
Eric seemed to handle him ok.
I posted it more for laughs.
re Hawkins:
Some other comments:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/boar...opic.php?
t=8248
I think it might be fair to describe Alex Jones as following a "rogue security script" - this style iof agitation is deeply embedded in USAian populism - USA history is just full of people who seem to come from a background in security and counter-intelligence, who go 'rogue' and start agitating among the public to the effect that their erstwhile employers in the secret state have sold out to the ruskies. Often there is a party political aspect ("GOP" painting Dems as commies).
From a "Occult Technology of Power" point of view, security agencies, like intelligence agencies, should contain counter-balanced 'Left' and 'Right' factions - and these rogue actors are visible when they use 'right cover' and try and sell themselves to the 'right wing', but also when they use 'left cover' and try to sell themselves to the 'left wing'.
Well, for DBS & Eric to complain of harassment of others ... pot, kettle.
I don't mean to suggest that Alex Jones claims any background in the field himself, but he is a great fan of characters who do make this claim - sometimes to the point of ridiculousness, as with Dom de Grand Pré, who claims to represent a rogue faction in the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I suspect that at least in the uSA this sort of thing works best with the right wing, but then again, look at John Perkins ("Confessions of an Economic Hit Man") - a darling of the controlled left...
David Shaylor has been accused of being on the "rogue security script"; likewise Morgan Reynolds, Steven Jones, D R Griffin, et al., as following USGov, CFR, etc. agendas. As with all things it's caveat lector.
Alex Jones caters for a demographic niche; is quite good for beginners; his bullhorn style irritates after a while. In some ways, DBS also can irritate; sometimes he thinks he is smarter than he is. Eric is better; occasionally he's a bit OTT. Bollyn is always a gentleman.
For sure, I do not 100% agree with any one person of the above. Every one who does something soon exposes their limitations.""He who does nothing makes no mistakes". Maybe some of them are tasked with subversive agendas, goodness knows, the mainstream media are full of them.
I'd put them down as all part of the rich tapestry of life; part of the open marketplace of ideas that the Web now permits. But then maybe I'm naive.
The internet is driving the control freaks nuts. Hence wikipedia, google censorship, worse censorship threatened. Are the security/intelligence agencies winning the infowars on the Net? It seems not, if they need heavier hands.
cjenn, agreeing with your descriptions, i´ve heard about the treatment workers received in early capitalism in US and Brittain. It was better in Germany with Bismarcks social reforms, probably because there was more solidarity. If people have a culture there is more solidarity, and how to preserve a living culture?
In modern times "rightists" are agitating against immigrant groups according to "divide and conquer" then in the interest of company and capital owners, many of them jews who also own the media. So also when unions have reached a fairer treatment and wages for workers, the whole factory is sold to China where labor is cheap.
If I lived in a favela, slum, of course I would try to migrate too, but immigration of masses is allowed for the interests of corporations. And they can divide people without solidary opposition. There will be loss of cultures, monoculture (who owns the media).
The worst of all planned experiments of this sort was the pushing around of whole people in BOLSHEWISM. Even starvation to death of 6-10 Million peasants in the early 1930s and the murder of the middle class a.o., that could have been according to talmudic principles.
This becomes the century of worldwide displacement of populations. Caused by talmudic, freemason, capitalist tactics plus population growth. Even global warming, be it from the sun or manmade will drive all Dutch out of Holland. Indians were victims of immigration. A hopeless problem of masses.
Thank you Fritz, I couldn't have said it better myself. I would also like to add a couple of things.
There are many "non" whites who were not born in America that have established businesses here and they bring in people illegally from their home country because they can pay them less then what American citizens will work for. Bottom line, brown people taking advantage of brown people for money.
Remember when we use to hear a lot about the Zapatistas? We don’t hear much about them anymore because Fox got rid of his “local” problem by sending them north. Now he and his friends can build the NAFTA superhighway without those pesky Indians. Mission accomplished. It was never about Mexicans reclaiming Mexican lands, that was for fool consumption. I have to admit it is preferable to what the Rothschild/Turks did to the pesky Armenians.
Cjenn it isn’t about Black and White or White and Brown anymore. Try looking at the bigger picture. And if you read my post you couldn’t possible think I’m for business at the expense of the American people and I certainly understand our Jewish problem as well as you.
Here's some serious 9/11 memory holing:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en...1investigation/
It's been stopped. Doesn't exist any longer. Kaput. Zeroed.
Even more problematic: Growth of population may be following industrialization, but also has to to be questioned: how are the current leaders of societies qualified? Jews claim to have a higher intelligence for their racial inbreeding. Would be interesting to look into their scriptures, what qualifies them to lead other people (goim), business and media. Are they known for philantropy and charity? I couldnt find it in the old testament.
If this can clarify their racial politics?:
http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/jew...ws/
purejews.htm
The first holocaust of 1919 ("burnt offering") has, according to Coudenhove-Calergi, obviously functioned as an "artificial selection process" from which the Jews emerged as a "refined and purified martyr nation" which enables them to be the leader nation of the future world. The "artificial selection process" for racial purity complies with God’s instruction. The Talmud states: "God speaks to the Jews: 'Do not come before me as a mixed people'." (Talmud, Goldmann Publishers, Munich 1988, p. 131)
The word is written: "Philanthropy" but sometimes used by the wolves in sheepskin.
"It's been stopped. Doesn't exist any longer. Kaput. Zeroed."
righteo | 04.09.07 - 12:28 pm | #
Perhaps the page (above) will be continued, no? looks good.
OK people the time has come to shut off your tv, cancel the newspapers and any other printed rag mags that come to your door.In about 3 months the dumb useless media will wakeup and do another sleeping pill. Then after another 30 days they will wakeup again and wonder what happened to them. I for one will not miss the trash TV and fire starter newspapers.
It's all about censorship. After all, censorship is becoming America's favorite past-time. The US gov't (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like "America Deceived" America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Mainstream media is dying because it cannot tell the truth.
Hoarsewhisperer
Paetraeus is of Dutch descent and a
careerist/Bush sycophant but is not apparently of recent Jewish ancestry if indeed he has any such.
Cjenn
"Its really the Jews....
but people don't see them.
They don't have darker skin, well most of the time.
cjenn "
It's as much the Catholic Conference
as the Jews, natural for the latter,decadent for the former. Bush
and the Anglo elite, decadent, deracinated are the ultimate quislings. The Jews pile on par excellence,piling on an already decaying nation.
Rowan
Dom de Grand Pré...you do know about his failed predictions of an official military takeover circa 2004?
Fritz
"In modern times "rightists" are agitating against immigrant groups according to "divide and conquer" then in the interest of company and capital owners, many of them jews who also own the media."
In the US there is a simple line of demarcation: the culturally-dynamic
groupings agitate against both the immigrant groups and the Iraq war/broad Mideast policy and the controlled groups are pro-war, pro-Israel and anti-immigrant.
Ken, honestly answer this question: are you jewish or not? Swear on whatever you believe that you are not jewish. And since I know Jews lie a lot, do an anti-Kol Nidre prayer or oath - and tell me that you are not a Jew. I so believe you are of Jewish blood.
"It's been stopped. Doesn't exist any longer. Kaput. Zeroed."
righteo | 04.09.07 - 12:28 pm | #
Perhaps the page (above) will be continued, no? looks good.
Fritz | 04.09.07 - 1:52 pm | #
http://portland.indymedia.org/en...1investigation/
It's back again. False alarm.
I'm trying to find someone who listens to the radio...
heard it on KGO..S.F.
"Don" (like he is their best buddy
Imus is in some trouble over overtly
anti-Black remarks..
I wrote two long remarks on the above
thread...
You can find about 600 on Atois...
Or just google Rev. Sharpton..latest
within 6 hours..
Anyway..as we speak of immigration and the bro-haha of the "problem" of the wrong people..here and there.
It seems that Jewish radio commentators always felt they could say and so anything.
Now, if the public could only realize that war against an oppressed people, who are the "perceived enemy" of the Jews..
is hugely racist. It is total racism.
I will be disappointed in Rev Jackson if he doesnt take this to its obvious conclusions.
Is anyone here? I hope I'm not alone!
Further, when I attended University--
the Jewish profs did and said things that NO others (well a couple) but practically no other instructors tried or got away with.
This Imbus thing is just such an example.
Won't it be interesting, if instead of invading Iran this summer, we have
riots in Detroit, N.Y., L.A.
Remember Rodney King?
Ken, yes about these groups i´ve read some, not much. For Europe it´s about saving, preserving it´s culture now. While European population is declining in number and that is only good in an overpopulated continent, at the same time Megacities like Istambul are growing excessively, and it cant be a good solution to make masses migrate into Europe. But this is done by whom? No one is allowed to decide about it.
In America it´s a little bit different, but MexicoCity is similar.
Whatwever rightists say, the population of the planet is growing over all sane limitations that are set by nature. Mixing it will only destroy grown cultures but makes it not better for people. Inasfar Jews are leaders of societyor business, they seem to promote mixing and wellcome population growths because then their business grows too. However it´s not a responsible politics, not even for the Mexicans: a new proletariate, cheap labor force.
cjenn, as i can look at it, the situation in America is different from Europe. Since all are immigrants they sould be solidary. The ones who run and exploit the country by the rule of money and media from behind the curtain try to continue either by a war outside, even in the sole interest of Israel, or by dividing internally, black against white against spanish. Dont know if the right wing understands this also(?)
Solidarily people will recognize, who owns the media and restore freedom of information and so on, banks, real estate, schools.. in a democracy then it has to be democratic. And so the Jews would loose their privileges.
The immigration problem should be solved by improving conditions in the 3.world, end of exploitation and real fair trade, without banks profiting. Most people will agree with this happy positive outlook..
I remember Rodney. About a year after the cops beating him up, he was arrested for beating up his spouse. I suppose it was learnt behavior.
"He would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on similar charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a red light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops. The money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million dollars in legal fees, and is now all but gone" Wiki
Fritz
There is a Zero Population Growth organization and similar and you might research their sites and see if you can find anything conducive to your arguments from a European point of view. The Chronicles Magazine American paleocons used to advertise them but I got the impression they were marginalized eventually by the more Catholic elements of the Rockford Institute
and de-emphasized or dropped.
Fritz and cjenn
I don't find it accidental that Louis Farrakhan seems to understand the question more than Jackson.
Ken, Farrakhan is interesting. I´ll look for Zero-population growth. But this immigration politics in Europe as well Britain, will be a major issue in the future, even now in France. They have never asked the people but all have to pay for it also. A huge alienation in Europe. And immigration dosnt solve any problems of the world. (on a mass scale - not saying it in individual terms).
CJENN--YOU CAN FIND THE FULL TALMUD @ http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
The haggada should be included--winded read though, I've been through it--ughh. A handfull of No-Doze would be advised--trust me.
What I find interesting that has been happening in Judaic religion (skimming aside from politics for a second) is that the teaching of Kabbalah and Zohar (usually pronounced by jews as "The Zohaaaa") are entirely undermining the Jewish faith as it splinters off from it factionally and capitalistically. If it is religion that concerns us as anti-zionists give it twenty-five years and they'll come up with fifty flavors of this idiotic medeival occultic treatise on their bullshit "T-ree of Loif" and the Judaism of today will be the secondary Judaica of tomorrow.
Incorrect, detrimental, the material at sacred-texts is old and fragmentary.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/...m/jud/
index.htm
What is interesting from a law enforcement perspective on immigrants and crime is that the criminals are the shits who are already here second or third generation largely. Or in the case of blacks the 100th generation. The newbies to our nation aren't the ones doing it unless it's a stupid error in judgement or something and an awkward police conversation with broken english.
I've lived in cities with hoardes of hispanic immigrants, Chelsea Massachusetts for instance, and by and large although a slumhole it was pretty much a low crime neighborhood with relatively friendly people. Meanwhile Dorchester Mass five miles away, 80% black, are all shooting and killing each other nightly. Exactly the indicators mentioned by C-Jenn about Fresno Cal.
Fuckin' nignogs, 100th generation, and by and large they as a culture will never get it together to do anything more, sadly and racist as that sounds. Their whole culture is thwarted, it's not like the Italians, Irish, Arabs, Jamaicans or the hispanics, American blacks are a whole different thing entirely and want everything handed to them like free socialism or they assume it's all a racist agenda. They are angry and act out criminally and expect that we treat them better by doling out million-dollar community projects which they ruin and spraypaint all over in a year or less anyway. It's like a socialist special education project for people who are too unable to control themselves to be anything in our society but the source of more aggregious problems and crimes.
My point: some imports are far better than others.
Also incorrect to claim that jews themselves are in some sense abandoning the rest of the jewish faith' as you put it in favour of kabbalah. It is not an either-or matter, except possibly for lithuanian hasids, who following the gaon of vilna go to enormous lengths to avoid kabbalistic thinking.
And, finally, if not incorrect then at least stupid, to start making racist comments about blacks for no useful reason.
Okay Rowan, incorrect as I am, Sacred texts has it Haggada for Pesach/Chabad-Lubavich--it's there. There is quite a bit and duller than socks on a clothesline.
2ndly, Kabbalah is undermining Judaism in all it's splintering and resplintering of theology and I think 25 years may do it. Just an opinion on the trendiness of it.
Thirdly you are probably British or Canadian--you have no real crime problems where you are. When in the States do visit West Philly sometime or Miami or Washington DC or Newark New Jersey, Trenton, Camden, Bedford Stuy, Fort Myers, Roxbury Mass, Atlanta Ga, Watts, New Orleans, or any of a hundred and fifty to 200 cities nationwide where precisely what I am talking about thrives violently day in and day out without end socially, criminally or otherwise. Then you'll get the size and impact of what I am talking about. I know MLK said this and that, you heard it from afar--well here's the reallity.
As a matter of fact when here go to all the streets in the US named MLK and just hang out, go shopping, get shot, make a day of it. 
Rowan-- I hear the South side of Chicago is nice this time of year--do call your travel agent. 
Detrminetal, you need to do the same thing i try to do - keep your eye on the engineer - not the oily rags.
The original point no matter how derailed was the immigration policies we have and the mutt and Jeff of what they have produced. Hispanic and many other immigrations (Asians, Islanders, arabic and so on) non-violent and upwardly mobile, 100 generations and still a bag o' shit and getting worse and more homicidal by the decade. Perhaps alluding to a trade-off or less biased an acceptance of the new immigration to this country of foreigners as opposed to our nation's Lou Dobbs-styled populist front. They aren't the crime problem the jewsmedia hypes them up to be (more a rightwing niche for ratings than an agenda in media reporting from the outset). All the while the corporate jewsmedia downplays the black role in American crime, rape stats and hate-crimes against whites--question: why?
Oily rag--engineer, I don't know.
We coddle one long-term miserably failed immigration with Kumbiya fairy circles of liberalized untruth and "Freedom at last" teary-eyed commie hoakum and pass stickling judgement on another that holds jobs, works hard, saves money and obeys most common laws.
Farakhan has advocated the murder of whites, other members of NOI dashing white babies to the rocks and overjoyed when a black psycho (Colin Furguson) opens fire with a streetsweeper on a loaded train full of whites. That is how they feel about us regardless how we feel about them. That is their take, steal, rob, kill, take, and we have a problem with new immigrations? I say a new immigration can't be as failed as that one.
That is how you are supposed to feel, and no-one will be more delighted than the Jewish political-correctness brigade if you go out and shoot a few.
Ah so, Farakhan isnt so nice too. Racial plus social differences. Thats what TV wants to hide, the backside of the consumer dream. Social engeneers failed terribly. "My god we´ve given them tons of murder movies, and still they´re killing each other in the streets"
This is fueling wars. Projecting enemies outward, nebulous Al Queda, Saddam. (Only my hobby psychology).
Inasfar as Jews are ruling the business they and others failed, it´s a mess. All they do is trying to hide it giving media sedatives for people in a broken up spiritual development. In the middle ages we were fare more advanced.
Farakhan is OK in his way. His popularity comes from his willingness to make fools of the official power establishment by dumbfounding it with bullshit, among other things.
I cant comment on it, but its known that some say, racial violence is directed against the white race and if it is mentioned, they are called by the media: "racists". Difficult to judge about this matter, but is ever someone belonging to the Jewish race called "racist"? or other colours if they are instrumentalized by the media? Also of course: "divide the people".
Fritz
sorry I wan't more precise. This group used to ,perhaps still does,find common cause with
some American palecons.
http://www.npg.org/
Rowan
"Also incorrect to claim that jews themselves are in some sense abandoning the rest of the jewish faith' as you put it in favour of kabbalah. It is not an either-or matter, except possibly for lithuanian hasids...."
And does this translate to anything pertinent re the recent Satmar versus
Neturi Karta antipathy regards the Iranian conference?
Detrimental
It cannot be advantageous for America to add minority revanchism
to the extant problem you describe.
Jared Taylor of American Renaissance
(amren.com)
had a recent controversy vis a vis attempts to limit the influence of David Duke while prosyltising Jews
to assist in anti-immigrant politics,
while taking a less-emphasized stand for American non-interventionism
and neutrality in the Mideast.
It seems the dominant majority of Jews active in AR were dissatisfied
with his distancing himself from but not banning Duke, and with his failure to rally the AR to Israel's cause and left to form their own
anti-immigrant, pro-war, pro-Israel
organization.
If this helps Detrimental and Rowan
any by way of projection.
Ken Hoop, thanks for the link: zero growth would be the only humane solution, since now in the world millions are dying of hunger,.. plus fair economy.
Interesting about D.Duke and J.Taylor, i´ll read more. Strange that in EU there is almost no discussion about population and immigration. Unknown elements make these politics.
Just opened Oswald Spengler - i used to read him in schooltime by myself - and recognize what today is missing in thinking, a greater dimension, due to propaganda and PCorrectn. He didnt get along too well with the Nazis but was´nt so far away. You can add him to Evola. We can´t leave it all up to the rule of finance and business.
No, Ken, the reason that Satmar as a whole no longer publicly stands behind the uncompromising anti-zionist position is that there has been a leadership struggle, involving among other things quite large sums of money and some pretty valuable US east coast real estate, and the 'mainstream' has grasped that its bread is buttered on one side only (the scandals following the deaths of infant boys due to hepatitis after circumcision didn't help, either).
But generally, I think you can compare the role of kabbalah in judaism with the role of tantra in hinduism. Sabbatianism would correspond to the 'left-hand' tantra, but most kabbalah corresponds to the 'right-hand' tantra, which means that the ritual sexual aspect remains within the normative framework of rabbinical sexual law.
and just to be clear I should add that the deliberate impurity that gives sabbatianism its 'left-hand tantra' quality may (or may not) manifest itself in sex orgies, as the opponents claim, but it is more important that it manifests itself in fraudulent pseudo-conversion to another religion (whether islam as with the original sabbatians, or catholicism as with the followers of jacob frank, or anything else, including apparent atheism).
Rowan
Are we talking about how phony conversions manifest themselves in the immediate generation in question, or are we postulating an
intergenerational continuum's ongoing and significant affect?
If the latter, have the percentages of insincere vs. authentic conversions been documented, which could only be determined after the passage of two generations,the cultural assimilation normative guide? And has any relevant documentation then been applied to offer even a subjective determination of conversion cost benefit to the Jewish nation in any region in which numbers were enough to matter?
Really, Ken, if you were to have gone up to Gershom Scholem, who spent decades trying to make sense of the sabbatian manuscripts, and ask him about the 'cost-benefit to the jewish people of sabbatianism', I think he would have laughed at you.
Rowan
Kevin MacDonald once wrote in one of his books that sincere
Jewish conversion to Christianity
at certain historical periods of anti-Jewish pressures could have benefited Jewish evolutionary strategy, asserting such in a discussion detailing insincere conversion.
He did not amplify how this could be,and as he was dealing with periods in which insincere conversions for material gain and to escape general threats, his assertion
seemed far-fetched.
Sincere conversion to me would necessitate intermarrying with
non-Jewish (European) Christians and
rearing progeny as Christians.
I asked MacDonald if he was
inferring a later reversion to the Jewish community resulting in cases of sincere conversion and if so, whether there was any documentation of such. He never responded. Absent this, sincere
conversion could have only meant loss to the Jewish community, unless, somehow MacDonald was inferring only the inferior
genes (tautologically labelled
of course) would leave in the first place,another problematic
scenario, of course.
Since you find the Sabbatean example a non-starter, perhaps you could venture what MacDonald could have meant from another vantage?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo...i/
Leo_Frobenius
key Spengler resource
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