well, you all know how quick I am to denounce fake quotes - but every single one in this post is authentic.
by the way, if anyone is interested in how our opponents set about messing u sabout, I recommend taking a look at the endless spamming by emissaries of the ill fated French Connection on WUFYS:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com
This takes the perverse and deceptive form of wanting to continually trumpet the praises of Christopher Bollyn (who in fact has posted several messages at Rumor Mill News saying that he wants them to leave him alone).
I am having a remarkably difficult time finding any means of continuing with my study of this language, because EVERYONE who speaks it appears to belong to one or another ideological supremacist tendency that wants to exclude anyone it can't control.
Maybe this is because they regard the hebrew-speaking population of isro-palestine as vulnerable to propaganda in its own language, and wish to avoid this (I notice that Shamir doesn't publish his agitational tracts in hebrew).
Anyone in London who is prepared to spend an hour or two a week coaching me will get £10 per session, which is a lot better than a slap around the chops with a wet kipper.
Chris Bollyn now has a new website
http://www.bollyn.com
that appears to be authentic.
He rather distances himself from DBS even while DBS maintains a Bollyn webpage. Frankly I think this is rank behaviour by both Bollyn and DBS. Nothing wrong with parting company on friendly terms.
Eric Hufschmid is complaining that Sophie has dropped EH from her 9/11 Mysteries second edition. I can understand his complaint if it's true. His DVD Painful Questions set the format for all following 9/11 truth vids. Others made before PQ took different directions; later ones followed Eric. However Eric has made his mark, even if he is being discounted at present.
I think Eric should be philosophical about all this. This stuff does happen. Hard advice to take, I expect. He should try to design a follow-up 9/11 DVD to keep his profile high, if that is what he wants, or needs.
I mean, who for example has made 9/11: The Zionist Connection? Hmmm? Eric is the one asking people to tell the cops to arrest zionists, so why hasn't he put it all together in one dandy DVD?
He could use a pseudonym if needed.
I can't understand his complaint, why the hell should sofia have to pay danegeld to him
Of course the quotations are authentic. This is familiar stuff, not to say ancient history. We all know how our present predicament arose, but what's the way forward?
I find some grounds for hope in Orwell's hoary classic, 1984: "All past oligarchies have fallen from power either because they ossified or because they grew soft. Either they became stupid and arrogant, failed to adjust themselves to changing circumstances, and were overthrown; or they became liberal and cowardly, made concessions when they should have used force, and once again were overthrown."
Paradoxically (but hearteningly), there are signs of both tendencies in the Zionists' current statements and actions. The monster's days may be numbered.
Here is another one I found just yesterday:
Deuteronomy 7 1When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: 3Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. 7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: 8But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Having just watched some of Sir Kenneth Clark's Civilisation series, he speaks of the iconoclastic Protestants of northern Europe. During their rage and the century-long war of religion in the Reformation, there were those who longed for the state of life in which things were settled by peaceful action and verbal agreements to disagree. Montaigne wrote essays in relative isolation. Earlier, Erasmus sought to live in earlier Renaissance times, while being forced to witness ( as I suppose he did ) the execution of Thomas More by Henry VIII.
The people of action get the upper hand sometimes, and they are almost always wrong in more ways than they are right.
Why have the actions of Israel been countenanced? Why were they seen as the good guys in the Mideast by most of Europe? It was a twofer: the Jews had a homeland now and nobody much liked the Arabs (whose control of oil meant they had to be intimidated by someone). The Jews were not seen really as long-lost cousins of the Arabs (except romantically, in Britain, perhaps, for a few writers), but were seen as European colonists on an imperial mission, redeeming themselves from centuries of apparent non-combatant status (although they were always drafted into European armies).
The Bible is not a factual historic document, but trying to tease out its errors is a difficult undertaking in a world of faithful keepers of the flame. So the justification for smiting your "enemies" is about as sound as that of attacking heathen red Indians to bring about God's will in America.
With all this irrationality, there is one justification for Israel under it all: fear of the pogrom in Europe. It happened repeatedly in history, and Israel was supposed to be the way out of that long night of trouble. Sure, the victims would change.
My major quarrel with Israel is that it means Jews do not have to process reality through conscience anymore, and that is a loss for Western civilisation. Triste.
its oedipal, i reckon. notice how jewish cultural ascendancy in the christian west derives from superego mechanisms.
You mean guilt, mainly?
glad you asked, i do all my best thinking on the keyboard, and this may be why I have been accused of using WUFYS as "my own personal ouija board".
consider the chivalric myth. he wants the princess. the problem solved by the myth is, to convert his desire into a moral quest.
There are some more enlightening Zionist quotes on:
www.serendipity.li/_home.html
under Zionism.
I mean enlightening as in insightful, rather than spiritually or morally enlightening.
excuse my broken train of thought, above : what i meant to say is that it is at this point, of myth control, that the jewish cultural engineering attacks. hollywood is just a mechanical version of something a great deal older, it follows.
i have a dynamitic collage on my blog i just finished which I want to recommend, dealing with putin's bombers - check that video and compare with the quote from sean mccormack about mothballed planes.
In response to that 'mothball' comment, I went looking for the link to a headline "Russia to build 4,500 new planes" that I saw somewhere on the web. Alas I couldn't find it at my usual haunts. but I did see it.
Next they need to rebuild their Navy.
I s'pose the neocohns think another Cold War will bankrupt the Russians into surrender, again. Nevertheless a rematch might end: yankees one; russians one.
Xymph:
Who ARE these Zionists, anyway?! - to say and do such horrible things? (to the Palestinians and other goyim, especially in Iraq and in America). They sound like Satanists who just came from a worship service in the 'Synagogue of Satan', blood dripping from their fangs!
Their days are surely numbered by Yahweh - and it can't be that big a number! 
They've been running amok for a long time, while His furnace has been heating up to the right temperature for the melting to begin.
I'd say they have no more days left than between now and Dec. 21, 2012!
Yup, nothing to see here, folks. Just Zionists. Got nothing to do with Jews. Zionists is all, folks. Move along.
The problem is not that the quotes are authentic, but that anyone bringing them to light is "anti-semitic" and "spreading message of hate" and should be prosecuted and persecuted as follows;
But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
(thanks tenset)
The truth shall be outlawed as both the concept and term as likewise anti-semitic, there can be no Eretz Israel where truth holds sway.
This is the issue in a nutshell.
thats why the expression 'jewish satanist' has no denotation.
another broken train of thought, sorry : what I mean is that th eexpression 'jewish satanist' has a connotation - a subjective meaning - for christians - but objectively - within jewish social reality - there is no situation in which it would ever be applied, because some kabbalist could spend decades dealing directly with the four princes of hell without ceasing to be a pious worshipper of yahwe - in fact, he could even curse yahwe in the theatrical way that anton lavey frequently did.
triste should stick to doing toenails.
jewry's equality:
merkava tank, approx 65 tonnes, heavily armed, heavily armored with added armor + more armor, filled with heavily armed and heavily armored 'warriors', backed by distant, hiding snipers, backed by on-foot 'warriors' also heavily armed and heavily armored and all this backed by the full might and mouth of occupied USA. all this going against:
one 8-year old palestinian boy in t-shirt, old jeans, sandals and armed with a 4 ounce stone.
these masada warriors can only fight with this type of equality. still they whine, cry, piss their pants, shit their shorts. then they hire mouths to flood the media to include blogsites to spin and twist the truth.
cowards not warriors.
a great lot is wrong with these people.
hello walls,
sabbath sunday in usa. football day for many. some would say dinosaur ball or gladiator ball or lawyer's ball.
back to the good news, walls. some american teams are replacing their indian-themed mascots with a dancing, laughing shlomo high-fiving falling towers.
every time the team scores, american shmucks stand and cheer and the dancing, laughing shlomos bring down towers.
another victory for us.
have a good day, walls. encircle more villages, take more land, create more misery.
shlomo above shoould be plural.
a great lot is wrong with these people.
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some kabbalist could spend decades dealing directly with the four princes of hell without ceasing to be a pious worshipper of yahwe - in fact, he could even curse yahwe in the theatrical way that anton lavey frequently did.
Rowan Berkeley
I intuited much the same conclusion w/o recourse to the background facts.
They really have no choice but to accept that yahwe is a satanic entity and it makes their orienteering easy without moral compass (who needs it when we can determine the four directions/princes on the run?).
There is no point discussing ethics with them either, pointing out lies, contradictions and absurdities has absolutely no effect on them and only serves to frustrate and fatigue the interlocutor.
I recall being outraged at Raoul Hilberg's purely nonsensical, yet smug testimony at Zundel's trial but now I see that it is simply par for the course. He is surely toasted by the four princes now (whatever that means - let him tailor that reality to his taste).
all u r saying is that they are the devil
that is not much of an improvement from the middle ages
i'm afraid civilisation is having a lot of bad days, boys
first let's kill ALL the males -- a plague on both your houses
I would hope that my posts don't require an interpreter.
If my conclusions are illogical or based on false data, then call me on it (I am a big boy).
Yes, males deserve most of the blame but don't forget 2 things:
1) women form (a narrow) majority of electorate, and
2) the ones that have been elected so far (Indira Gandhi, Imelda Marcos, Golda Meir, Marg Thatcher to name a few), haven't exactly distinguished themselves.
Hillary/Condoleeza/Coke/Pepsi, anyone?
if Bollyn has distanced himself from Erich huffschmidt and DBS then he should LITERALLY come on his show and explain it to the world, and this will prove to the rest of us, that Chris Bollyn is ok. Bollyn having a site means jack shit. I can make a site in your name, and put up content. I think Chris Bollyn is being forced to do something against his will. CB always supported EH and DBS whenever he came on their show. If he changed his mind, he could reach that show and prove to them why they are parting company. NOT on some website.
musings, the values of the middle ages were correct - nowadays, jew run media brainwashed the masses into accepting otherwise this ancient piece of wisdom - the generalized statement that Jews are evil and tend to commit mischief.
This is a lovely case of language being awkward - I am not saying that the god of the jews is satan - that is a christian way of putting it. Nor am I saying that some jews worship god and some jews worship satan, which still assumes these two characters are just "there" and then the jews, the christians, etc., come along and decide whether to worhsip them or not. What I am saying is that judaism is so completely monotheistic that it doesnt perceive a contradiction between worshipping yahwe and cursing yahwe, worshipping satan and cursing satan - both are part of a well understood jewish dialectic (remember jacob frank!).
Anti-Zionism is perfectly justified because Zionists (especially leaders of Zionism) are recognized by the fruits (consequences) of their actions: suffering, destruction, violence and rivers of blood and tears. That behavior characterizes Satanists. Of course, not all Satanists are Zionists.
Anti-Semitism is NOT justified because many Jews are NOT Zionists. Many Jews are confused or deceived (like ZioChristians) about the Satanic nature of the Israel leadership and State.
Who is the source of this deception and confusion?
"God is not the author of confusion"
The Devil (aka Satan, Mammon, Lucifer, etc.) is known as the 'Great Deceiver' and 'the god of this world'.
The worshipers of Satan create the deception and confusion!
"Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews" (Alan Hart)
Some Jews are Anti-Zionists and equate Zionism with Nazism (and therefore Satanism) - Neturei Karta Jews, including rabbis, for example. True Messianic Jews are also Anti-Zionists.
Anyone who does not recognize the Satanic nature of Israel and its leaders, is either in Denial or has some other 'agenda'. Laziness (not making a sincere effort to find out the truth) is another 'agenda'.
There is NO justification for Anti-Semitism.
Are Jews responsible for the mess in the ME? NO, Zionists are responsible! - starting with Theodor Herzl.
Who are 'the rebellious house of Israel', mentioned in Ezekiel? It's the Israeli Zionists who are rebelling against Yahweh! - as all true Torah Jews (and others) will tell you.
"There will be gnashing of teeth" - and "MELTING"! (the gnashing of teeth may come before the melting!)
I have a very enogmatic recording by Drone Lebanon (an israeli jewish power electronics outfit) called "yaakov frank speaks" but it has been subjected to so much echo that I cannot make out the words...
Rowan, Judaism is Henotheistic; thou shall have no God before me. There are, is my understanding, no such psychological entities as, ego superego, id.
henotheism is an interesting concept, which I understand (I speak from memory) to mean that one deity is promoted over all other known deities within the polytheistic frame of reference.
The People and their God in eternal embrace.Other deities are impotent or fools and those that worship such worship their own reflection.
OK, but that brings me back to my original point, which is that the god of the jews is not merely yahwe in isolation but an entire imaginary cosmos within which both gods and devils serve jewish purposes.
Your idea is strong Rowan. I wish only to assert Henotheistic as a proper understanding. Similarly,there is an unproven allegation of a German Judeocide from 1940 to 45
Here is another one:
in Seymour Hersh’s account of a conversation in June 1969 between Henry Kissinger and Gabriel Valdes, then Chilean Foreign Minister:
’Mr. Minister, you made a strange speech. You come here speaking of Latin America, but this is not important. Nothing important can come from the South. History has never been produced in the South. The axis of history starts in Moscow, goes to Bonn, crosses over to Washington, and then goes to Tokyo. What happens in the South is of no importance. You’re wasting your time.’
(Seymour Hersh, The Price of Power ( 1983), p.273)
thats not an axis, thats a sphincter
'Answer my riddle correctly,' said the Sphincter, 'or else I will devour you'!
Compendium of American political babble and glaring ambiguities in nice alphabetical order:
"America is back, and bipartisan - biting the bullet with competitiveness, diplomacy, efficiency, empowerment, end games, and environmentalism, along with faith in the founding Fathers, freedom's blessings, free markets and free peoples, and most of all, God. Our great heritage has held the line for human rights, individual initiative, justice, kids, leadership, liberty, loyalty, mainstream values, the marketplace, measured responses, melting pots, the middle class, military reform, moderates, modernization, moral standards, national security, and Old Glory. Opportunity comes from optimism, patriotism, peace through strength, the people, pluralism, and points of light. Pragmatism and the power of prayer make for principle while the private sector protects the public interest. Realism can mean recycling, self-discipline, and the spirit of '76., bring stability and standing tall for strategic interests and streamlined taxation. Uncle Sam has been undaunted ever since Valley Forge, with values venerated by veterans; vigilance, vigor, voluntarism, and Western values".
Norman Solomon, The Power of Babble, p. 3.
Might have rounded it off with "our Zionist masters' orders".
I see nothing but "survival of the fittest" in America.
ANYONE KNOW WHERE CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN IS RIGHT NOW? IS HE STILL ALIVE? ARE YOU GUYS FOOLS TO BELIEVE THE JEWS/ZIONISTS ON THE WEB THAT HE IS ALIVE?
The Henotheistic model, true though I had´nt heard of it, implies the war against other beliefs, people, gods, as in Moses 5 (end) ´laws of war´ unto extermination of them undesirable neighbours.. because they may tempt the chosen of Jahwe to follow other ideas.
In other people´s pantheons the gods represented the forces on nature and their dimensions, though the Hebrews may have incorporated into Jahwe also shadows of this (specially later), the Pharisees seem to have filtered this out of the OT and left the impression of a narrow- minded tyrant promising gold and power and heavy fines. (But somewhere they have a teaching of the orders of angles?). Genozide is so (Moses 5 a.o.) a religious jewish myth, hence modern allegations of `holocaust denial´, since only a unproven, religious myth can be denied, not physical or see-able facts.
Satan is mentioned only rarely, 4 times in the OT. Of course, the famous Christian quote is the temptation of Jesus by the devil who promised him power over the world. ´Devil´ is probably derived from the Greek diabolos, adversary. May have to do with Persian Manicheans, or the idea has been strengthened by them. Also later including the Greek shepherd God Pan (goats, flute, panic) but distorted.
Nor am I saying that some jews worship god and some jews worship satan,
RB
No need to be explicit RB, I understood perfectly what you were saying.
I don't look at it from some middle-aged, as musings put it, perspective, god kung-fuing satan and all.
I am more interested in the inexorable process of intellectual decay on heels of the moral one.
Without bothering with good-bad arguments, the fact is that an ethics system provides an anchorage, rules of the game, a set of axioms that govern the development of ideas in a solid, strong vessel.
Otherwise it is like a geometry with no rules, a knotted seething mass of spaghetti instead of an orderly coordinate system and that is what Talmudist thought looks like to me.
They are just plain crazy, that's what, a schizoid mindset that feeds on its own fever.
It might be entertaining if it wasn't also dangerous to others.
Just as schizophrenics can be very artistic and creative, so can the jews and frequently are, grandstanding apart.
But I feel that on the whole, they have gone off the deep end and their culture is in free fall.
The system worked to some extent while they were forced into their ghetto groove, which in many ways gave them security and guidance, now they are collectively out to lunch in a very obnoxious and pernicious way.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/
...1654188,00.html
An Administration official told me it's not even a consideration. "IRGC IED's are a casus belli for this administration. There will be an attack on Iran."
It's rather like Tibet : there is (or was) a marvellous pantheon full of extraordinary imaginary gods and demons from different periods, mostly engaged in perpetual feud with one another, but all sharing the basic feature of really liking Tibet.
If we are honest with ourselves it's not just Judism that is the problem with the major mythology of today (a universalism derived from the jealous and vengeful desert god that denies the existance of any and all others), although that's where it had its' start, Judism's two ugly redhead step children, Islam and Christianity, are every bit as responsible. As long as our world view is defined by the idea that there is only one true god, one submissive humanity who by god's will dominates nature/the world, we will continue toward the one world order and totalitarnism. All force can be justify because god's will must pervail, utopia must be realized, we will all be equally slaves with one culture, one identity, and no soul.
I've been reading.
ANYONE KNOW WHERE CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN IS RIGHT NOW? IS HE STILL ALIVE? ARE YOU GUYS FOOLS TO BELIEVE THE JEWS/ZIONISTS ON THE WEB THAT HE IS ALIVE OR OK?
Me:
Whatever you've been reading - throw it into the fire!
"Seek and you shall find". Read T. Austin-Sparks, for starters. Oswald Chambers is good, too.
Investigate Jesus the Christ. Forget about Judaism, 'Christianity' and Islam and every other religion. You're not after a religion, you're after a Person!
I agree with you, 'Me'.
"Christ in us, the hope of Glory" 
I was in Sikkim in 72-73 with a big Tibetan ex-pat population.
I never once got the feeling that they considered themselves better than the rest of us. I found them actually quite humble, with a good sense of humor and compassion.
They were also perfectly aware that their expression of Buddhism was localized but that the grand idea was universal and abstract.
There is no point of similarity between them and Judaists.
Sal, do you think something may have happened to Bollyn?
As long as our world view is defined by the idea that there is only one true god, one submissive humanity who by god's will dominates nature/the world, we will continue toward the one world order and totalitarnism.
you mean continue in world dis-order, don't you, being that the
"one true gods" are variegated and clashing.
yes, lobro, I think so. As a matter of fact, Bollyn hasn't done an interview on iamthewitness.com after his sentencing date. He seems to have been either kidnapped or killed. God only knows. He was the best researcher into 9-11, along with Albert Pastore (who I think is Amir Ali, Ph. D), Paulo Lima, Eric Huffschmidt, and Carl Camron from FOX News. Others include the numerous anonymous bloggers at libertyforum (like Cyte from cytations.blogspot.com) who helped us understand 9-11 along with other Jewish terrorist attacks and black operations.
WHY DONT YOU ALL DO SOMETHING ABOUT BOLLYN'S DISAPPEARANCE...WHAT IF THEY STARTED TO DO THIS WITH US, AND WE BECAME THE NEXT SOVIET RUSSIA OR EASTERN EUROPE OR PERHAPS NAZI GERMANY (NAZISM WAS A JEW CONTROLLED MOVEMENT, JUST LIKE COMMUNISM, MARXISM, MODERN FEMINISM, NEO-NAZISM, AND OTHER BULLSHIT IDEOLOGIES). WE SHOULD BE MAKING NOISE ABOUT CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN'S DISAPPEARANCE!!!
ROWAN BERKELEY, HOW DO YOU KNOW CHRIS BOLLYN IS SAYING IT? OR WHETHER HE IS SAYING IT UNDER SOME SORT OF TORTURE? OR BLACKMAIL? OR BRIBE? OR OTHER FORMS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION?
so far rowan has posted on this site, he has found ways to rationalize the historical and contemporary criminality of Jewish behaviour - he'd make a great Zionist PR man.
Makhtub, Salman, Makhtub.
na'am, xenophile, u're right.
the fact is that an ethics system provides an anchorage, rules of the game, a set of axioms that govern the development of ideas
lobro | 08.20.07 - 11:22 am | #
very true so, as you´re always saying, we´ve first got to blame ourself for letting us to be deceived. And we could´nt talk anymore and understand the meaning of terms without a common "set of axioms". therefore we should not dispose of our good medieval traditions. Much has gone wrong in history but to blame it on God is very convenient. Rather on our incompletness. In the parable by Lucas 8,12, the sower, some seeds, that is words of truth, fall on good earth and grow, some fall on the road, then the devil comes by and takes the words from their heart, so that they don´t understand. Of course there is the deceivers but we are the deceived. Also Jews are deceived into believing to be chosen, more clever and to have been given gold and power and the right to use double standards. Sofar they really get employed by the devil, as he/it is defined in the temptation of Jesus with: to obtain the power over the world.
The Christian religion teaches us to be humble as also medieval kings were humble before God. The same all through Islam: humbleness. And both monotheisms develloped an immense diversity and complexity. Once to mention the good sides.
Something else is changing in modern time, the rule of money and materialism, presumption. And that is not the fault of the middle ages.
Thanks for the alliterative quote,Xenophile, worthy of AA Watts.
Glad you enjoyed, Smekhovo.
The fact that you met a whole community full of nice tibetans doesn't really have much bearing on my suggestion, which deals with their cosmology.
My favourite book on this subject, one which is hard to get but predates the current sentimentalisation of tibetan religion, is "Oracles and Demons of ancient Tibet" by Rene De Nebesky- Wojkowitz, which is hard to find but massively weird:
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Check out my Antiwar Basement Video. I think Xymphora will approve. Here is the link;
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Her are the lyrics;
THE PHANTOM CAPTAIN
This is our country and our fathers made it free
But we are rarely heard or seen
Foreign favorites seem to steer our country’s coarse
Risking our own security
They kept us busy, just trying to survive
Working hard to make ends meet
We paid no mind to things like Palestine
And the injustice that it reeks
The enemies are among us
Or so they say, the cells are nearly everywhere
Religious fanatics, always ready to fight
The Phantom Captain leads us there
We watch the car bombs and the gore on TV
The patsy always is the same
Mercenary death squads and spooks behind the scenes
Deception always is the game
The old ones warned us about foreign friends
Washington told us long ago
And Ike saw the industry of military might
He warned us it was going to grow
The enemies are among us
Or so they say, the cells are nearly everywhere
Religious fanatics, always ready to fight
The Phantom Captain leads us there
Our complicit Congress ignores the peoples will
They feign withdrawal to appease
We imitate our favorites and occupy their lands
And set ablaze the Middle East
And if the Captain tries to take us to war
Let him not do it in our name
We will take his ship from him and sail home to peaceful shores
Tend to our country once again
The enemies are among us
Or so they say, the cells are nearly everywhere
Religious fanatics, always ready to fight
The Phantom Captain leads us there
Fritz and Lobro,
I have held off, recently, from criticizing the many anti-Religious sentiments on this blog in the last few weeks.
Religion:"To hold, therefore, that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads in the end to the rejection of all religion in both theory and practice. And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name." [Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885].
Man has been created Homo Fidens (believing man), and he cannot create at will to be a believing being. Atheism thus testifies negatively to the fact that by divorcing himself from God, man renders himself powerless to live a human life. In an essay on Kafka, Ionesco says that "when man is cut off from his religious or metaphysical roots, he is lost, all his struggles become senseless, futile and oppressive".
This is what happens when the beloved abandons the spritual/metaphysical lover, it is he who abdicates the active equation of mans most profound human relationship.
It is this social atheist-suicide equation that makes social, and figurative suicide, primarily a religious problem. After all, faith, love, life, and alienation are first and foremost religious categories. Thus, the instant index of the suicde-prone individual/society is the diminished capacity for human relationships.
It is faith, and only faith that sustains us from the despair of mere contingency as well as the destructive illusion of sheer transcendence, so that neither contingency nor transcendence has any fascination of a kind that that could breed in us a reluctance to accept our humanity fully. Faith places the center of gravity in the "other." Through faith in Jesus Christ, the God-Man, contingency coincides with transcendence, for as St. Paul tells us, "Before anything was created, He existed and he holds all things in unity." In the understanding of Jesus Christ alone, the meridian of life is attained. Consumed by the love of Jesus Christ, man regains all the creative potentialities of his being. In Hexaemeron, St. Bonaventure writes: "It is this profound center that salvation lies, for he who draws away from the center of his being is lost."
The Talmud is pervasive in the Judeo-Torah Protestant undercurrent of the "sick man" of the Western world. Remember "existentialism" was a movement that began with the Judeo-Protestant community and also the reappearance and acceptance of usury. Indulgences originated in what is now (reformed) Protestant Northern Europe but not in the Catholic Southern countries.
It has infested the whole Western World with a "idealistic Fascism"
that has vacillated suicide on a national scale.
The only remaining jewish cultural weapon is the appeal to the 'other major religions'.
"CultOracles and Demons of Tibet: The Cult and Iconography of the Tibetan Protective Deities"
Rene De Nebesky-Wojkowitz; Hardcover; -- reissued, but note the mis-spelled title
Tiger Eye, I enjoy reading your comments, and can culturally relate to many aspects of your catholic point of view.
But, as legitimate as any point of view should be regarded, there is something that bring you and Godsend to a same league, and separate you both irreconcilably from me; it is called dogmatic absolutism.
Inherited belief in revealed truth may provide you with some answers as to in-group ethics and existential meaning, but it leaves at a loss for operating outside the group's cultural boundaries. Claiming universal validity to ones beliefs is an immense leap of faith, an arrogance that precludes you from a holistic view of humanity and, therefore, from developing true consciousness.
The multilogical complexity of the world can only be approached with the intellectual humility required for multilogical thinking. We can only co-exist, co-operate and realize men's higher existential potential if we can communicate in good-faith and reason together. Reason is the keyword here, not rationalization. I believe in reason, clarity and logic , and I have no dogmatic pre-conditions to accept anyone's humanity.
And now my personal take: as a rule, religion sells you salvation in the netherworld while making a hell of this one.
Xenophile,
You might have written your last sentence first and saved yourself the secular homily on "reason."
I'm reminded of the beginning of the film The Adventures of Baron Muchausen where in the opening scene there's a beautiful summer view of the Mediterranean Sea while in the foreground butterfly's gently hover over wild flowers. As the camera moves right words appear on the screen announcing that the Age of Reason has arrived. Suddenly we hear cannon fire as the lens ends up on a battery of Turkish artillery that open's fire blasting the buildings of a walled city.
Your blog name somewhat interesting too.
Xenophile:
A person attracted to that which is "foreign," especially to foreign peoples, manners, or cultures.
Sort of reminds me of a man without that which he longs for.
And a man who is without that which he longs for will inevitably find it within himself, Tigs?
People who approach Christianity and Holy Scripture with reason (like many theologians and their students) CANNOT understand the spiritual content. That's what Christ meant when he kept saying "those that have eyes to see" and "those that have ears to hear". Spiritual knowledge is NOT obtained by reason - although reason is useful to explain both natural and spiritual things afterwards. "Amazing Grace" explains how this works - by a miracle of God (His direct intervention, called Grace).
There is a wonderful anonymous quote: "Man is a spiritual being having a physical experience, not a physical being having a spiritual experience".
It is our spirit (received from God) which makes us immortal, while we all know that our physical bodies are mortal. While our bodies age, our spirit is eternally youthful - but it matures (attaining to the full measure and stature of Christ).
That's the way God designed us, no matter how strenuously some protest.
For example, does this sentence make any sense from a 'natural' reason perspective: "When I am weak, then I am strong"? How about "I and the Father are One"? When God says "My thoughts are higher than your thoughts", what He means is that we can't understand God's thoughts unless He gives us spiritual understanding.
The sacrifice of 'Self' (independence, self-sufficiency) is usually necessary before spiritual awakening can take place.
How can a 'rational' man get there? (to God and spiritual things).
If we're lucky, God takes us down a road where we learn that our intellect, self-sufficiency and control over our circumstances is vanity. He confronts us with our helplessness and insignificance - unless and until we are 'connected' to Him through understanding spiritual matters! Only then does a full understanding of God's Creation become possible (including the 'natural' world). Reason becomes an afterthought.
Tibetans seem to have inserted a pantheon of demons and gods, also the whole of shamanism into Buddhism, as Catholic priests go to it´s meditation and nuns to classes of martial art in Sri Lanka.
Also to agree with Tiger Eye, that the modern art of mixing all beliefs only dilutes them to relativity and lost meanings. Admiring how you instead go to the essence. And to add a worldly term: `we` all defend and boast about a false "I", that is to be fed with material wealth, theft and lies. Therefore the ten commandments of Moses already confine these tendencies, as in other religions, not only to give society a basis, but to indulge in lies and usury hinders devellopment of consciousness.
So to understand lobro´s point.
And the Talmud is collected arguments to get around the ten Mosaic commandments and to justify double standards for the chosen.
Tiger Eye of course you go further. Reason only and commandments dont works, people go around them. (Here the Jews were most clever). And some people may think Jesus is the great shaman by resurrection, like Odin. How otherwise have South Americans become good Catholics. And humans by nature strive for to expand awareness and perception if they are not cofined by indulging in ´sins´.
I would never dream of putting Tiger Eye in the same category as the spammer; he impresses me as a generous and honest person. And I think he is right to stress the responsibility of protestantism in perpetuating the absurd and pernicious myth of the "Bible Jew".
Tiger Eye, the puerile innuendo of your remark about my blogname is beneath your dignity, and proves that it is easier for me to reconstruct your train of thought than it is for you to consider unemotionally alternative points of view.
I have no intention to insult you, and if the pre-condition for communicating with you is submitting to your religious system, well, I'd rather pass the buck.
Keep on posting though. Despite Catholicism/Christianity being for me an intellectually insatisfactory basis for ethical conduct since the age of 13, true xenophiles like myself operate under Namaste rules, that is, "I honor the Spirit in you which is also honor in myself"; no metaphysics necessary, just civil rationality golden rule-style.
Open Letter to Eric Hufschmid about Spreading False News and Baseless Accusations
Christopher Bollyn, RumorMillNews.com, 21 Aug 2007
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi...cgi?
read=108221
check it out
Godsend, if sometimes dogmatism is deplored, it´s only the terms, the terminology, that seems too old, too religiouse fore some. Civilisation and entertainment in modern times are are really delusions, by the blind for the blind made to deceive humans on their natural ways into the unknown. And standing before the immense infinity we can only become humble.
Fritz:
Spiritual knowledge and authority (like Christ's) is often mistaken for dogmatism or arrogance by those who have no spiritual understanding or personal, experiential frame of reference. Humility (before God, not man) is the door to spiritual understanding. Humility is not 'natural' in man - it has to be taught to him in one or more (painful) lessons. The greater the intellect (or reason) and self-sufficiency, the greater the pain of the humility lesson(s). Unless you've been through it, you can't understand it. I've been through it. "Amazing Grace" tells the story. The torturous path into the Light invariably leads through one or more dark and deep valleys! - physical, emotional and spiritual THEN, when you're at your wit's end, the Light (and spiritual understanding) breaks through - Thank God!
People could study, memorize and recite the entire Bible and not understand one iota of its spiritual meaning. You have to live it, and then God, through His Grace, will help you to understand it.
If you're a spiritual man or woman, words that T. Austin-Sparks wrote are full of deep meaning and power. If you don't speak the 'language' of spirituality, it will be 'Greek' to you (mean nothing).
My impatience to jump into the battle precludes me from properly organizing my ideas on the subject, but please bear with me Tigs.
I am not anti religious and certainly not anti-spiritual.
However, I reject the claim that Catholic perception is the only valid one.
It is like saying that English is the only language, everything else is gibberish.
Using the quote by St. Boniface that you provided ("It is [in] this profound center that salvation lies, for he who draws away from the center of his being is lost."), you must accept at least the possibility of different folks, different centres.
And not only that, were you born with an unshakable conviction of where your centre is?
I will wager that you arrived at it by an arduous route that took up most of your lifetime.
So just because someone may not have arrived there yet is no cause for contempt.
Freedom of religion implies freedom from religion in my view, and just because I may not feel too strongly about the religion of my parents (catholicism) doesn't mean that I mock your faith.
It is just that I don't want mine to be an automatic inheritance.
I fancy myself as the type of person who, were he born jewish would not fall prey to that baleful, perverted ethical system.
Rowan, I know next to nothing about Tibetan cosmology and a tad more about Buddhism and recognize that the two are separate.
However, there seems to be recognition of some level that these colorful demons and blood dripping deities are simply product of a "cultural mind" and otherwise entirely illusory.
At least that is what CG Jung seems to be saying in his foreword to Evans' translation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
One of the first injunctions chanted to the frightened spirit of the departed, hovering near his home and hearth is not to pay attention to the clash and din and eerie apparitions as they are entirely the product of his mind and therefore to be ignored and banished as illusions.
I must say that chancing upon this book in Grade 13 back in 68 had a profound influence on me, not that I ever read it in its entirety (not that my record with all the other books is any more honorable).
It influenced my decision to skip several years of university, to travel and start the search for that centre.
Still looking, maybe further away than ever.
Apologies for misquote: St Bonaventure, not Boniface
Bollyn is probably dead. Zionists are running this country and these military adventures. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....
Final link (before Google Books bends to gov't demands and censors the title):
America Deceived (book)
Frank Trenton II:
That's a good start!
For the rest of The Puzzle, SEE! my Homepage.
Good start but the end is fishy.
How come America Deceived fails to mention anything relating to Israel, Zionism or Talmud and their crimes against humanity?
The notion of it about to be banned is as old as the book itself, 2-3 years and is just a marketing hype.
The storyline is entirely fictional about some nasty gov't men and evil aides in Karl Rove's mold, lots of corruption, violence and sex, so pornographic that i suspect Scooter Libby wrote it to help finance his legal defense.
So if the History Channel is part of the 9/11 'Official' Conspiracy and Cover-up, how devastating, do you suppose, they think it will be when the Truth finally comes out?! Are they afraid that the REAL Holocaust will start? Is there any other explanation that's credible?
Does it now seem inevitable that there MUST BE a 9/11-II, an attack on Iran and Armageddon?!
How desperate, insane and evil are these Zionists???
It's time to send the 9/11 Truth Movement into high gear!
part of ensuring that the REAL holocaust does not ever happen is to openly debunk the FAKE one.
It seems ESSENTIAL now for world Jewry to get their act together and RESIST and RENOUNCE Zionism and Zionists. It may be a question of survival!
There is no question that Zionism is the REAL and WORST enemy of the Jews!
Fritz is the only person who understood my comments.
Rowan, welcome back.
Did you ever get that monkey off your back? Try hanging on a door while bringing your legs up in a kneeling position and bounce (using your own weight) a few times then stand up and reach up as though your reaching for the ceiling. It's a poor man's form of traction that aligns the back and legs. It does work.
There is no point in berating the Jews if at our core we draw from the same well. It seems hypocritical to me.
Xenophile I think you're spot on.
Sorry, Anon is me
Tiger Eye is your last post and example of your spirituality? I wish I could say it was clever because I'm sure you tried.
Ken Hoop | 08.20.07 - 3:20 pm | I actually meant what I said Ken. If something is proceeding as planned, I'd call that order.
Tigs, i understand full well that you are not proselytizing but you must also understand that neither am I in any way antagonistic to the ineffable notion of ... whatever, Self, Grace and so on.
There can be no doubt that some Catholic thinkers have hit the nail on the head, just as there can be no doubt that some are nowadays out of it, with fulsome praise for Talmud (as if they ever bothered to read it) and its mythology.
The whole issue reminds me of shoppers in a supermarket, some know exactly what they want and grab it off the shelves and some are lost, looking at labels indecisively.
Then of course, there are those who grow their own on a small private acreage.
The globalists want us all fed and provided for in one giant chicken coop, for the same reasons that chickens are raised that way.
Here's to diversity and privacy and freedom of choice.
As Krishna said to the millions of Brahmas who came to pay their respects, "do not be afraid of the demons." (Tibetan or otherwise)
That goes for you too, Tiger Eye.
maybe because I was at a baptism of a child on saturday, Tiger Eye, invited by neighbors in a Catholic church, a very friendly moment.
Must be a 911-2?
.. hope not, though no one likes this powerplay, but the Russians just made some sort of alliance with China and the Asiatic countries and with Iran. Also military maneuver and the strategic bombers fly on patrol.
http://www.en.rian.ru/analysis/2...7/
72171635.html
MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti) - The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) has held its seventh summit in Bishkek, the capital of Kyrgyzstan. The SCO is a regional group comprising Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, with Iran, India, Pakistan and Mongolia as observers.
Two of the eight key documents adopted at the Bishkek summit - the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation, and the Bishkek Declaration - indicate the high degree of cooperation between the member states. Both documents incorporate a crucial principle, which keeps the organization together - the principle of equality and respect for partners and their interests...
Most importantly, they have common security, as "attempts to address global and regional problems single-handed cannot succeed," Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the SCO summit.
The summit in Bishkek spotlighted security threats coming from Afghanistan following the unsuccessful military operation of the United States and NATO. The SCO countries will have to address these problems now jointly with the authorities of Afghanistan and Pakistan, whose representatives attended the summit.
Although some people argue that the SCO was set up as a counterweight to U.S. influence in Central Asia, it never posed as such. The United States is cooperating with nearly all of the SCO members, and this does not worry anyone.
By a glimpse to Chris Bollyn´s latest statements, (link by Rowan above, really interesting),
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi...cgi?
read=108221
he seems well and reasonable, and DBS is spreading rumors about him and Prof. Steven Jones, like he has before accused everyone to be crypto -zionits, DBS behaving now shabby towards C.Bollyn, (if one knew what is played). Prof.Jones can be true with the theory, the steel columns were molten with termite. Then the case is solved.
If I said, "a Jewish fingernail is not worth one million Arabs.", does that make me antisemitic?
smekovo,
Just discovered your comment above. Thank you.
ME,
"There is no point in berating the Jews if at our core we draw from the same well. It seems hypocritical to me."
They have historically poisoned the well that common humanity drinks from.
Where have you been these many months oh forgetful one? Relativism is Talmudic! You were raised a Protestant. No?
'relativism' is just a cant term.
Saying that would get you housed at public expense in much of Europe, lobro.
part of ensuring that the REAL holocaust does not ever happen is to openly debunk the FAKE one
Taking the real holocaust to be the Palestinian one, I should say it is already happening.
"Soggy" relativism as in all things being equal and therefore unapproachable when used to support an amoral statement as an acceptable moral opinion.
This is typtical of a "dualistic" mindset.
I meant typical.
Now that we're all on a "Is DBS nuts?" theme, in a recent chat with Steven St John, he launched forth on a tirade against Ron Paul as a stooge of the Rothschilds.
While much of Ron Paul's attraction is a very American conversation on the topic of libertarianism, for the rest of the world it's his principled anti-war stand that appeals.
I can't imagine that DBS finds any of the other US presidental hopefuls, almost all of whom are AIPAC-endorsed, any better. So what does DBS hope to achieve by his rants against Ron Paul?
DBS is determined to find nothing redeeming in a vast array of courageous individuals. One may suggest that DBS is an ADL plant, judging by his expressed opinions. He certainly carries their water for them.
I regard the entire Mises.org crowd as being almost as bad as Ayn Rand. I suppose I blame Murray Rothbard (aka Hagbard Celine).
I never like this crew from the beginning, DBS, Eric Hufschmid, et all, they seemed fishy, too emotional. The only reason I can think of to talk about them at all is to point them out as examples of psych war on the internet. They keeps us "loonies" busy by fanning our anger. Much of what they say is true, but then it would have to be for them to be effective. So although they are not a total waste of time...it could probably be better spent
righteo,
Come to think of it, I don't believe that DBS has ever endorse any national candidate. It is odd that he hasn't. Paul's approach to 9-11 and the non-justification behind the Iraqi war is understandable, otherwise he could simply be dismissed as just another denier and conspiracy nut. He's keeping it a Constitutional isusse. It would take the wind out of his sail by having him pigeonholed when he is really running against the primary issues behind those events.
Mises took his ideas from the Austrian school of economic. I'm sure he put his spin on it to make it his "own" and we should all applaud his genius. Ditto to Rothbard, the groupie
Not "termite" like myself tipped above,.. One fingernail with traces of thermite on it.. likely with DBS it is usual (un-) professional envy, inflated. Has not Chris Bollyn acheived more than DBS, as also D.Irving, all personally attacked and damaged and DBS sees only himself in the mirror (if not also ADL). .only speculating. But here was again Torin Wolf, demolition expert, supporting Prof Steven Jones: several forms of Thermite
The same chemical composition found in the previously molten metal microspheres found in the WTC dust, discovered by professor Steven Jones. “The WTC 'microsphere' samples showed the presence of aluminum (Al), magnesium (Mg), manganese (Mn), potassium (K), copper (Cu), and sulphur (S)..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
arti...10707expert.htm
(just to mention this again)
The REAL Holocaust hasn't happened yet!
Ron Paul of course is very well on the path of constitution, better then in in conspiracy jungles, agree. Hagbard Celine to me sounds like from RAWilson? These were times, when we believed conspiracy is only in some science fiction books.
I never read/heard DBS but I did hear Hufschmid and he made all kinds of sense in a high pitched sort of way.
I always considered the arguments about detailed contents of the so far impenetrable 9-11 black box ludicrous, especially when it got down to personal invective among researchers/"researchers".
I am certain that most of it is work of trolls and provocators dedicated to marginalizing the truth movement.
I accept only that a mass of circumstantial evidence points to the high cabal of neocons, most of them of talmudic persuasion as the most likely culprits and go no further regarding the mechanics of how it was done.
The next step is a full public, impartial inquiry where no curtains remain closed due to "national security" issues.
Whose national security?
And if our national security suffers as the result of truth made manifest, it was the wrong national security to start with.
As long as there is infighting in 9-11 truth movement, we are just bulls in a Zionist corrida.
Are DBS and his likes picadores?
That's right, Fritz - Hagbard Celine was the hero of "Illuminatus," itself a product of Aleister Crowley's texts being cross-fertilised, if that is the right word, with the droppings of The Playboy Philosophy.
lobro:
The next step is a full public, impartial inquiry where no curtains remain closed due to "national security" issues.
We will SEE! Armageddon before we SEE! what you describe as 'next step'
Tigs - I agree with you that Ron Paul's best strategy re: 9/11 is what he is doing - mention it in the context of imperial US foreign policy, as when he confronted Gudy Riuliani on the topic. Anything more specific would draw down the alienating "conspiracy theorist" riposte.
I find RP's campaign quite exhilarating, as do millions of others around the world. He is a breath of fresh air, especially his antiwar stance.
What will be fascinating to watch is how he fares the next 15 months. Right now he is becoming known to denizens of the internet world. In the final run to the primaries and to the elections his name and appeal will need to reach millions of people who do not take much interest in elections, and this is where the big-budget names would expect