A glimpse of how the Greater Depression may look like (in its initial phase, of course):
Los Angeles Riots 1992.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B...h?v=BKTw-
UHalZc
"When I finished reading the entire Quran,I could no longer associate with Jews any longer--"
He had to read a book? Bogus or redundant, this is the question.
Good one, xymphora.
Laura Knight-Jadczyk wants $100,000 and not too many questions asked:
http://www.sott.net/articles/sho...eedom-of-
Speech
Laura Knight-Jadczyk is a lovely lady with a corner on the comet/asteroid impact market. Won't get a penny of mine, though.
Xymph, has this one also got a grandad in the ADL?
Oil rises above $106 a barrel after saboteurs blow up major pipeline in Iraq (Reuters)
jews give us fake christians, fake muslims. then there is that fat loud mouth italian fake muslim. how much does that pig get paid for his lies?
isnt there a meat hook designed for frauds?
Not sure about this as defining. Don't Sufis say 'God is Everywhere?'
absolutely, Ken, arabi in particular.
RB, honest injun:
Are you or have you ever been Ashtar Command?
negative, what is it?
Farrakan is .
well, i googled it, and the proliferation of websites using trivially different names or suffixes is very familar.
surely farrakhan wouldn't subscribe to the view that "nordic" aliens are best?
at this posting, i have to pause and remember JOHN WALKER LINDH (cant remember his muslim name).
'Now a new study, published today in the journal Neurology, suggests that having a larger belly in middle age may increase the risk of Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia."
american science at it's finest. maybe, world needs fewer scientists more rock throwers.
You have an irascible strain which would tempt you to be at odds with George King's group, that's all.
Sure Rowan, the only brothers from outer space are in the movies.(Except for Krishna)
I have never had much time for radionics, ken, though for all I know in the hands of a Cagliostro it could cure my sciatica.
More proof the surge is working
a spokesman for the baghdad security plan, tahsin al-sheikhly, was kidnapped from his baghdad home by armed men on thursday, security officials told afp.
an interior ministry official told the associated press that three of spokesman's bodyguards were killed. the official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information.
the officials said sheikhly, a sunni who often appeared with u.s. military and embassy officials at news conferences to tout the successes of the crackdown that began in baghdad and surrounding areas more than a year ago, was abducted from his home in baghdad's al-amin neighbourhood at around 2:30 pm (1130 gmt).
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Rowan, Have you tried oil massages (olive and peanut) and colonic irrigations?
Used in conjunction with a vegetarian diet.
I suppose they wanted to personally congratulate him on the success of the plan.
The odd thing is my Jewish solicitor actually offered me a slight discount for a consultation in the lawsuit I'm bringing against him.
never heard of George King. But what they say about nuclear accidents, if he foretold them, the hundreds of nuclear test bombs and the damage for ozone layer and Van Allen Belt, (in aetherius.org at our beliefs, the cosmic masters) is astounding.
every day the same speech:
A premature withdrawal from Iraq would endanger Israel, John McCain said.
"I believe a reckless and premature withdrawal would be a terrible defeat for our security interests and our values,"Republican presidential nominee said Wednesday in a major foreign policy speech. Iran, which backs Shi'ite hegemonic aspirations in Iraq, would "view our premature withdrawal as a victory and the biggest state supporter of terrorists, a country of nuclear ambitions...
http://www.libertyforum.org/
show...7#Post296146927
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Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 03.27.08 - 4:06 pm
But Yoga is significantly more effective.
It's remarkable that all cult leaders create names bastardising latin, greek and hebrew. In this area, Dee & Kelley already wrote the book. Literally.
the full and really funny story of the "chinese ammo dealer":
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/2...sia/
27ammo.html
What brainless nitwits McCain and his supporters are.
Iran is doing bugger-all to help the Iraqi resistance militarily. It could certainly give them a great deal more weaponry without increasing the risk of reprisals by the pitifully dumb and cowardly GI Joe and eyes-wide-shut ideological wankers like McCain et al.
Iran has BushCo's confident assurance that America is in Iraq for the long haul and that suits Iran just fine. Iran knows from the Iran-Iraq War that America's deaf & blind political ideologues can be relied upon to direct its military escapades with knee-jerk and short-sighted, not to mention embarrassing, stupidity.
Why interfere in a fait accompli?
WHO are the 5 Dancing iSRAELis ??
http://
www.whatreallyhappened.co...veisraelis.html
WHO are these SPIES ???
http://www.whatreallyhappened.co...om/
spyring.html
I don't think "What Really Happened" and its proprietor show any signs of interest in anything but creating a niche media market and making a comfortable if modest living off it.
Also, both the articles to which you link are several years old and contain material which is very widely known indeed.
So why the hell did you bother?
the communist international put the clintons in the white house, according to old dick eastman:
http://www.rense.com/general81/imper.htm
This International Crisis Group document is really rather good. For instance I have never seen this spelled out anywhere else:
“We know that some of the rockets launched against Israel are launched by Fatah militants. The objective is to push Israel to punish Hamas in Gaza” - Crisis Group interview, Hamas official in exile, November 2007, found at page 23 of:
http://www.crisisgroup.org/
libra...under_hamas.pdf
Revolutionmuslim.com? Is that the best they can come up with? I much prefer "Al Qaeda, or "The Toilet" as others have translated it.
That Myspace merchant of death and his uncle Bar-Kochba:http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/
amazing-adventures-of-men-with-gold.html
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/ amazing-adventures-of-men-with-gold.html
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/...-with-
gold.html
From Smekhovo's link, re the "Messiah of Sex", Shmuley:
"Apparently, Yoav Botach is the father of Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, author of the bestseller Kosher Sex and host of the Shalom in the Home reality TV show on TLC Network. Shmuley Boteach and Michael Jackson (yes, that Michael Jackson) started an "infamous" charity in 2000 called Time for Kids that put on a benefit at Carnegie Hall but somehow never got any money to any kids. The money seems to have wound up with Shmuley's L'Chaim Oxford nonprofit, which is supposed to promote Jewish life at Oxford U. But it got into all kinds of legal and tax problems with the British government because it didn't seem to be doing any of that."
Of course, in polite society the Pentagon is to blame, the 22 year old is "inexperienced" and it is all a matter of "incompetence":
Incompetence Alert: Pentagon gives inexperienced 22 year-old $300 million contract
http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...llion-contract/
Once again I have found something on the Global Research website that :
(1) originates from a russian 'genius'
(2) pretends to explain why wonderful russian communism finally failed
(3) actually, and probably unaware of doing so, the author is using nothing but christian orthodox moral categories to explain the entire process of modern history, and his biologistic account of the "anti-hill society" is really just a thinly disguised vision of the orthodox christian hell.
It follows that such people present a 'stalinist' revival that is really just as orthodox-christian as solzhenitsyn's, which it reviles.
sorry - here's the link:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...ext=va&
aid=8460
about the collage by dutch 'freedom' party leader Wilders.
But first,
A fairly complete account (including pics of main characters on both sides) of the Little Big Horn battle in the 1870ies, fought in a vain attempt to stop gold diggers) is here: http://www.footnote.com/page/120...little-big-
horn a page that does not show up till the 7th images.google page searching for Crazy Horse. On the way there an old and consistently informative site has the most info: crystalinks (mandala medicine wheel, geometry connection).
Searching for Dee Brown (whose 'the american west' had tears burning behind my eyelids and got me going on this quest) is even worse, the first page is taken by a basket baller, then this, from what i can tell, pleasantly conscientious and accurate chronicler of an extremely ugly part of colonial imperial christian expansionist missionary and last but not least, genocidal history shows up here: www.fantasticfiction.co.uk FICTION??????????
Dee Brown
Born February 28, 1908
Alberta, Louisiana
Died December 12, 2002 (aged 94)
Little Rock, Arkansas
(via the encyclopedia of Arkansas dot net)
joep, cartoonist at nova.tv
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?
l...FTOKEN=38827279
shows Muhammed's 'lontje' (fuse) transmuting baser emotions - of 'diep gezonken' (degenerated) Dutch yet stacked in the hi-rises typical of mass-manipulooters' - in Drew Hempel type fashion rather than exploding, .. and yet though agreeing with and following the climax of the Wilders collage he double deals with him somewhat, as Geertje initiates the 'hele hoop gedonder' (irritation) with footstamping (placing near misses next to a book on the ground), his neighbour, an imam, as the next carrier of 'burengerucht' (disturbance) passes it to our prime minister who escalates the din, a zoom out reveals the whole lot to be contained in the 'fuse'.
Wilders used the most hated cartoon (of his fellow threatenee, without permission) showing M as a suicide bomber BUT turning it into a device that would somehow bring thunder (perhaps underhandedly intending to council moslims to stay in their deserts and showing confidence in Muhammed's ability to catalyze impregnation of his deserts with rain (thunder and lighting rather than exploding) as long as he stays there and focuses on the task of applying the dutch touch, the green thumb (to GROw her sugar plumb).
I wonder wether Muslims view their prophet Mohammed as a kind of Sitting Bull for instance (since the latter did a sundance to receive intimations about how the envisioned battle would go (well ... and it did but retaliation and then more broken treaties followed all too soon)), to the point of self maiming, blood draining, which itself resembles the muslimlike ((sunni or shia?)) flagellation of sorts Wilders has chosen to honour in his selection of fears for the future of Holland).
Not that i th
Not that i think this view justified but Islamists taking it is understandable as hell .. ..and still very popular, that is their reasons for resorting to violence are as religiously adhered to as their means are blasphemously violated.
Crazy Horse, his and the bands around him applied the range of tactics (initial negociations, gentle warnings, nudges, pushes, outbursts of anger, provocative prods, clabberings with coupsticks and finally guerrilla) from (conservative) motives everybody likes to steal and then sully (with the improving means to perpetrate mass murder even then a much more rapidly firing gun suprised the indians and proved quite decisive), that is to say, unleash ('achieve') a horrifying generations-spanning string, strung cable, strained rope and whirlwind of trauma and disaster.
The big difference of course is that Islam went on to be a global force to be reckoned with whereas the native American ways suffered genocide and must make do with an o so faint reflection in the indigenous rights movement, reservations, disputed tenure (Ward Churchill) and splinter groups like the rainbow family.
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The long view is taboo:
Hold collectively responsible and accountable.
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The shortsighted one tries but mostly pretends to be more accurately specific, on target and hence, just:
Search out and punish culprits perpetrators and criminals on the one hand, hold up beneficiaries, initiators and inventors as shining examples deserving every bit of their singling themselves out in matters of reward and wages, so much even that the personhood status is, in jealous imitation?) granted big generations spanning institutions that have agency to stay inviolate, sovereign, etcetera.
Either way, the most violent actions sort the most ef- and affect, they shape and set the pattern for slews of mere follower rather than initiators, the western ways of banishing troublesome elements morhped into colonialism and imperialism with mercenary industries of supressing spreading non-racist slavery.
That's right Geert, the left is as blind to Bolshevism as it is to Islam, even to this day, and yet, so are you, with your biased take on semitism. The Bolshies meanwhile morphed to zionism but are still quite recognizable since traceable, they even concentrated and consolidated if anything.
Jews for Jesus:
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/
Jews for Allah:
http://jews-for-allah.org/
And of course, "Official Website of the Jewish Catholic Witches, Who Find Enlightenment Through Buddhist Shamanism; Praise be to Allah and the Children of Satan;"
http://www.angelfire.com/ego2/tu...esnake/
day.html
Are they joiners, or what? 
from the link,
"Russia .. population grew...from 88,247 m. in 1920 to 101,438 m. in 1950 and 145,115 m. in 1987...'
That is 13 m. in 30 years, about 400,000/yr,
then 44 m. in 37 years, about 1.1 m./yr.
That is quite a difference.
He talks a lot about betrayal and the tradition of informing.
You can't expect much if this is the sort of culture being promoted by the state.
Many now take their cues from the state, it is their role model.
This notion of betrayal would carry over into their personal behaviour.
In the Artifical Intelligence world betrayal is defined as "knowingly thwarting another out of something that ought to occur."
Imagine that, a society of thwarters.
gee wiz, rowan's blog disappeared in the last half hour?
clicking on its links HERE, DOES work. Mmmm.
niqNaq.wordpess.com
Rowan's place used to be named the other way around, Naqniq which at the end of 07 sported the subtltle 'sending the jewish nazis back to russia'
"the rise and fall of the russian oligarchs" is a Banff docu festi 07 best jury prize winner and made by an israeli director who concocted widely carried collab between the major EUROintello broadcating corps (Dutch VPRO among a slew of them). This docu does two things quite opposite to Rowan's contrarian strategy of putting the words jew and nazi in almost every article 'supertitle' (also the only comment he took time to tack on to his reposts from the most international media sources in different parts of the world). The counterproductivity is obvious, he lost his account cause, of course, people complained. In other zionoiac versions of dhimmitude Google News bows once again to the LGF and assorted repros when they targetted thepeoplesvoice(DotOrg) in the summer of 07 (as they had jewwatch, indymedia and probably a good many more that i was spared knowledge of before that).
The docu shows what centuries of courtjewry led up to: a bluff game without even once mentioning nationality (race) or even ideology that much (let alone the word JEW), instead, the makers leave the naked facts to speak for themselves.
courtjewry -- full time clerkism, accountancy and other sorry excuses to distill their devilish brood in ghettos with the sublime surrogate for and required sweating before reaching the debauchery of their peers: numbing numbers and texts
a bluff game -- of threats and deals, an ugly creature rich enough to buy muscle in a more intrusive and collectie way than the maffia does --
All the Protocols type propa with the real movers and shaker faking none of their phoniness, in your face close up illustration of schemers and their victims, like footage of a whole series of duma darlinks, leaders in the fight against corruption (no sooner sashHayed in on the coercion opposing cachet then falling into disgrace due to being easily tempted and caught in 'compromising' positions with a call girl by a media firmly in the pocket of the PreNaZionotionist - proving gender still trumps race nationality class and age combined when it comes to proper ways to prop her. To my suprise the young folks chatting on prothink audio for files (2 hours at a stretch easily but they do recover a lot of ground too) say the very same thing around 1.41 in
Title AIPAC TRIAL - PLAN OF ACTION!
Artist / Source Prothink
Album BlogTalkRadio.com
Year 2008
Comments We will have a show to discuss
File Name SPOKEN WORD(s)prothink-show_137028.mp3
I think they lost their blogtalkradio account by the way.
http://prothink.podomatic.com/
http://khanverse.blogspot.com/
I want to apply for a Soros Foundation grant, my project being something like, to "give a detailed account of Jewish Israeli youth culture, using Hebrew-language sources", but it says I need three referees. I plan a sort of punk culture effort really, so highbrow referees are not likely to be forthcoming, but you never know, I suppose.
Surprise, Geert Wilders is apparently tight with the Mossad, and has been accused of taking orders from the Israeli embassy (Wikipedia).
Alex Jones interviewed ex-NYC mayor Ed Koch on Infowars today. Total stooge NWO koch-sucker.
To clarify, Koch is the koch-sucker. Mr. Jones did an admirable job. You can tell he's tired of being force-fed the myths.
Koch defines anti-semitism, thinks putting people in jail for speech crimes is cool and provides you the loops you must jump through in order to criticize Israel. That section replays in the last hour, so refeed will come up today around 5pm EST today. Enjoy.
www.infowars.com
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/storie.../03/28/
002.html
Masonry in Russia.
New evidence suggests second shooter killed RFKDavid Edwards and Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday March 26, 2008
We know this.
aha, Ken, I think this shows an interesting dualism in French Grand Lodges even today:
Dergachyov grew interested in Freemasonry in the late 1980s when he, then in his mid-30s, befriended a French Freemason in Russia. The Freemason invited him to France, where he was initiated into Freemasonry by an irregular lodge, the Grand East (i.e.Orient) of France. "Then as I learned more about Freemasonry, I decided that it would be better if Russian Freemasonry became regular," Dergachyov said. To become the legitimate Grand Lodge of Russia, it needed to be established by a foreign grand lodge, and this happened in 1995, when the Grand National Lodge of France established the Grand Lodge of Russia. Since then, Bogdanov said, more than 90 foreign grand lodges have recognized the Russian lodge.
according to wikipedia, the Grand Orient is not only alive and well, but it is the largest Grand Lodge in France, and it doesn't give a fig about the British:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Gra...rient_de_France
http://vdare.com/macdonald/
08032...0327_muller.htm
good piece on ethnonationalism and Jewish opposition to it from McDonald.
do you think, ken, that 'regular freemasonry' simply means, protestant freemasonry, whereas the grand orient could be described as a centre or indeed the centre of catholic freemasonry?
Des Griffiths might.
In attempting to account for this trend in opposition to ethnonationalism in Western societies, my own writing has emphasized the triumph of the Left and particularly the role of some Jewish intellectual and political movements and certain elements of the organized Jewish community as the vanguard of the left and the most important force in passage of the 1965 immigration law (PDF). As Muller’s essay observes, Jews were major victims of the ethnonationalism of others. Anti-Semitism was a general force throughout Eastern and Central Europe, culminating in the slaughters of World War II. And Muller notes that a prime motivation was that Jews dominated areas of the economy and segments of the social class structure to which others aspired—a principal theme of my book Separation and Its Discontents.
This history of loss as a result of others’ ethnonationalism doubtless goes a long way toward explaining the main thrust of Jewish intellectual and political movements in the 20th Century—a principal theme of my book The Culture of Critique.
For example, the Jewish opposition to immigration policies favoring the European majority of the US dates back to before the immigration cut-off of the 1920s and spans the entire mainstream Jewish political spectrum, from the far left to the neoconservative right, to this day.
However, Jewish opposition to the ethnonationalism of Europeans and European-derived peoples is in remarkable contrast to their unswerving support for the Jewish ethnonationalist state of Israel — a rather glaring double standard, to say the least. There is a rather straightforward analogy of Jews as victims of nascent ethnonationalism in Europe and Palestinians as victims of nascent Jewish ethno nationalism in Israel. (And ex-President Carter, in his recent Peace Not Apartheid, triggered much hysteria by noting the similarities between the policing techniques of Israel and the Afrikaner ethnonationalist state of pre-1990 South Africa.)
MacDonald from www.vdare.com
I mean, the grand orient would be full of atheists of catholic descent, would it not?
Anti-Semitism and the Babylonian Connection (Des Griffiths) £9.75. An investigation into this fascinating and yet vexing question.
This guy used to be popular, had a periodical called "Midnight Messenger" in which I believe he expressed an (anti)Catholic/Masonry syncretist view.
I don't think Spearhead Books is a scholarly publisher.
http://www.natallnews.com/story....ory.php?
id=6840
hat tip David Duke site. Jews wish to get BNP off the ballot in UK.
http://www.orthodoxfaith.com/
ecu...cy_masonry.html
since you broach the subject, though doubtless wanted it not discussed in these or similar terms.
G-129 FREEMASONRY -- ANTICHRIST UPON US - $5.00
Is Freemasonry a false religion, a sex cult, a super Anti-Christ world power? Is it the father of communism? Who or what is Anti-Christ? What part do the Jews have? Is Roman Catholicism Masonic? Are public schools controlled by Masonry? Includes a word of instruction to Christians.
Protestant attempt at associating Masonry and Catholicsm.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/2...gin&
oref=slogin
Noted American Jewish journalist quits al Jazeera, citing anti-Americanism.
where is salman, i mean anonymous, now that we need him?
http://friday-lunch-club.blogspo...igence-
dir.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/ir...aqi/
wahhabi.pdf
"Iraqi General Military Intelligence Dir. Doc.: grandfather of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, founder of the school, was Dönme—that is, a crypto-Jew..
The U.S. DoD has released translations of a number of Iraqi intelligence documents dating from Saddam’s rule. One of them is a General Military Intelligence Directorate report from September 2002, entitled “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots.” The report made the claim that the grandfather of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, founder of the school, was a merchant from Bursa in Turkey who was a Dönme—that is, a crypto-Jew. According to the intelligence report, his name, Sulayman, was originally Shulman.
By definition there can be no split between protestant and catholic masons, or any other split based on religion - or those involved immediately cease to be masons.
Ken, that story about ibn wahhab has got to be as old as the stories we used to have about napoleon.
smekhovo, look at the differences between 'Grand Orient' and 'Grand Occident' if I may allow myself a seldom used term.
most importantly, the grand orient does not require profession of belief in a 'supreme being'.
let me add that actually believing that there is a 'supreme being' is quite different from being required to PROFESS one's 'belief', which is humiliating and oppressive.
And just how would you know that, Rowan? If one truly believe in a supreme being, how is it possible to be even slightly uncomfortable to say as much?
If you don't believe in a supreme being isn't it a tad unrealistic to expound on feelings you can't possibly know, except maybe through some puffed up false ego?
Is that some Crowley(ism)?
I believe in a supreme being and I admit it. Shucks, I feel pretty good.. The only thing(s) I find oppressive and humiliating is very unsupreme people.
to me, the ritual of 'professing belief in a supreme being' is completely distinct from any belief or unbelief I might actually have - it is a social ritual symbolising subjection to a monarch with theocratic pretentions, ultimately. That is why Britain remains a monarchy.
hp, Rowan does have a point.
Being required to profess a belief is not the way.
Faith in a 'supreme being' can only be arrived at freely.
That, at least, is the case with the one I know.
Compulsion or coersion have no place in the matrix of the Spirit if Love.
of, sorry.
The freedom of conscience.
During the eighteenth century, the Grand Lodges throughout the world decided to recruit not only among Christians, but also to open lodges to men of all religions. During the nineteenth century, the Grand Orient de France went even farther by proposing the Masonic initiation to all men, provided that they respect the “Moral Law” as stated in the Anderson Constitutions. In 1877, to remain “the centre of the union between people who would otherwise remain total strangers,” the Grand Orient abolished the requirement by which its members had to acknowledge the existence of God and the immortality of the soul. This was the beginning of a Freemasonry that accepted believers and non-believers, and left members completely free to pursue their own conscience and personal research. The Grand Orient considers metaphysical concepts are entirely personal. The lodges of the Grand Orient de France therefore work according to their own orientation, either under the invocation of Universal Freemasonry, or to the glory of the Great Architect of the Universe. They pursue a balanced humanistic approach between a reflection on the society and the initiatory work.
http://www.logehiram.com/index-eng.html
ken - here is someone who has raised anti-catholic anti-masonry to the level of a minor art form:
http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_..._MIND/
index.php
Individually, yes. For a moment there I thought Rowan was speaking for me, and everyone
Now if Rowan had started his first pronouncement with 'to me,' then I would have said nothing.
Even though 'to me' a belief in a supreme being is synonymous with a profession.
Not trying to be dense here, but:
Profession is not necessarily the same as prosletyzing or preaching. The Muslim Confession of Faith, the Shahada, must be made before two witnesses to be accepted within the community.
http://www.religionfacts.com/isl...ahada-
faith.htm
"There is no god but God and Muhammad is the prophet of God"
So a similar statement must be made for acceptance into most branches of Freemasonry except for the quasi-Jewish Grand Orient? (I jest, but the purpose of the Grand Orient was to allow mostly Jewish thinkers in)
I believe that profession is mostly an internal exercise akin to a mantra, with psycho-spiritual effects.
Something of appeal to religion AND secret societies.
A jew can join any masonic lodge anywhere, as I said, and the arrangements of the Grand Orient de France have nothing to do with letting them in.
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 03.29.08 - 2:02 am
When Berkeley rejected Traditionalism
(Perennialism)on my initial reference, under the pretence it could be used by Zionists directly and indirectly,he was disguising his essential Modernist anti-Traditional outlook.
Obviously, spiritual Hierarchy is a Reflection of the Absolute from which Berkeley rebels.
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 03.29.08 - 5:30 am
Try and find a militant atheist who accuses Freemasonry of dangerously disguising it's attempt to subtly steer men into Belief.
The fact if true that Sunni Baathist Iraq's leadership believed the crypto-Jew Wahab aspect was plausible or worthwhile in a political regard ipso facto made it so, or am I misinterpreting the piece?
the purpose of the Grand Orient was to allow mostly Jewish thinkers in
-- I don't think so, I suspect that it was more a matter of letting lapsed catholic lawyers in.
I should have qualified what i said. Of course Jews who believed in a Supreme Being were admissible, but not always. The actual process of de-Christianisation of Freemasonry began in Europe with the 'Enlightenment' and allowed for the inclusion of rational thinkers who disputed the existence of God.
Including a certain family of money lenders.
Still, here's a statement from
"Leon Zeldis, FPS, 33°
PSGC, Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite for the State of Israel
Honorary Adjunct Grand Master":
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/.../
protocols.html
which conflates criticism of Jews with that of Freemasonry and the Protocols of Zion.
There's a funny part where he says the Illuminati of Bavaria are a different society altogether.
Maybe, like aspens, the roots reached for each other?
That what MacDonald is saying of older jewish opposition to ethnonationalism in Europe and Europeans outside - and jewish support for immigration of masses is corresponding with the freemason's Pan-Europe movement of the 1920s - most remarkable is Count Coudenhove Kalergi
Coudenhove-Kalergi complemented his liberal views of the political role of the Jews with distinctive advocacy of race mixing. In his book Praktischer Idealismus (Practical Idealism, Wien/Leipzig 1925, pages 20, 23, 50) he wrote:
"The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."
"Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility through spiritual grace. This happened at the moment when Europe’s feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation."
Richard Nikolaus Graf Coudenhove-Kalergi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric...denhove-
Kalergi
MFA - Zeldis represents the BRITISH masonic network, which characteristically regards itself as the only 'regular' one, but, just in France, there may be many Grand Orient lodges too, that just don't have pretentious english language web pages.
Here's another link which shows that Jews weren't always admitted to the lodges, Rowan.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/
article...duleId=10007186
that article, and the one related to it on the same site about 'freemasonry under the nazis', illustrate an important principle : they not only ignore the fact that freemasonry is divided world-wide into two giant networks, one controlled by the anglo-american axis and the other not - but they do so with such assurance that the ignorant reader will actually go away subconsciously accepting that they must be correct in doing so.
another point that I can see would fit in the Larouchies to some extent is this : the "Scottish Rite" created by the infamous Albert Pike was based in the Confederacy, which in many respects maintained a sort of tacit alliance with Britain against the North. This "Scottish Rite" is headquartered in London and restricted to those already Master Masons according to the Grand Lodge of England norms - as opposed to those of the subversive and atheistic Grand Orient of France.
I agree with that, Rowan. It was a reply to smekhovo saying Jews were always admitted to the lodges, when that really happened in later years.
It's the fine details that fascinate me: the enlisting of military, police and judiciary world wide, the interlocking relationships with other secret societies and splinter religious groups, the use of ritual and symbols to create mnemonic forms of mind control, and whether, the two groupings represent some form of false opposition or not.
I think that the answer to that lies in my constant references to Locke. I am thinking particularly of his bizarrely entitled book "The Reasonableness Of Christianity", which is a pretty blatant piece of cynical utilitarianism before its time, arguing that the monarchy and the church must be maintained as devices of social control, really. This Anglican utilitarianism is obviously contrary to any French idea of freedom, since it puts the conflict between the Catholic Church and its critics permanently "in formaldehyde," to borrow an israeli phrase.
Hobbes was not an atheist as is frequently calumnized.
Anyone who thinks I am being unfair to "The Reasonableness Of Christianity" should take a look at it - it's an insult to the mind, heart, and conscience. Compared with it, I can easily adopt a Kierkegaardian pose, and defend real christianity.
JSTOR: Hobbes, Heresy, and the Historia EcclesiasticaFor Hobbes the reasonableness of Christianity was not transparent. It was reasonable only by being commanded by a sovereign ordained by reason.
What Locke means is really that christianity as he understands it serves "reasonably" well as an administrative tool.
Neither here nor there because any religion that intrinsically caused disorder would ipso facto be false.
though certain stripes of Maenicheans would consider that a plus.
The Confederacy got no significant support from Britain of any kind, and contrary to myth, was even more unpopular with Tories than with Liberals and radicals. Slavery was beyond the pale to almost everyone, and secession to all Tories.
To speak of the American Civil War as the occasion of the sending of the Russian ships would be incorrect, and even at the time there were some Americans who suspected that more selfish motives were behind the Russian move. Yet, as Thomas A. Bailey has proved, "a majority of interested citizens at the time-and certainly an overwhelming majority later-appear to have accepted the visit of the fleets as primarily a gesture of friendship, with the strong possibility of an alliance and open assistance against common enemies." Americans made much of the Russian visitors; Welles extended the courtesies of the Brooklyn navy yard to Lisovskii; and Popov's assistance in extinguishing a fire at San Francisco ingratiated him with the people of that city. Indeed, since Popov was ready if necessary to act against Confederate cruisers, "Russia came very near becoming our active ally."
http://www.civilwarhome.com/
amer...anquestion4.htm
Yes, Russia remembered that the US had been its only friend at the time of the Crimean war, and strongly supported the Union. Unfortunately this friendship made possible the stupid sale of Alaska ...
You've really got to start reading I$raeli newspapers online, they're hilarious. This Nazoid tendency of theirs is completely out of hand, it's like SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER over there.
I$rael is, as the Zodiac Killer would put it, "the greatest saterical comidy of all time."
you mean, in hebrew, alan?
by the way, is that you - the real alan cabal, as in "the doom that came to greeenwich"?
More zionist deception. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....
Paulie | 04.02.08 - 11:15 am,
Don't you think that, other world powers have known this for a long time?
Hence any further aggressive moves, will in fact kick start the Polish Scenario, and the world war three would be upon us!
Further with regards to the reference to Geert Wilders's hate message, this post somehow has completely overlooked the astonishingly similar material that was produced in 1939/1940 "Der Ewige Jude" (The Eternal Jew). Which in fact is the seed stock for Geert Wilder.
It would serve everyone well to watch this package, and then watch Fitna, and ask why?
Keeping in mind that MEMRI ( yes the mossad shop front) has closely been instructing Geert Wilder, in the making of his package.
Finally, the current hysterical attitudes to all things Muslim are cover smoke for the relentless aggression towards the Mideast, with a view to dominating the growth index of Russia/China/India. A pipe dream that is a none starter, nevertheless, it seems the same cabal whom brought you the European civil Wars passing these as a World Wars, are emboldened to believe they can in fact initiate a world war, and survive it too.
Trouble is they are wrong, dead wrong, but by the time they have been proved dead wrong, many souls will be left lying around for the animals to feed on them, because there will not be enough grave diggers left to bury the dead, just like in Iraq, that a particularly vicious breed of dog emerging that is used to human flesh, the animals will learn to enjoy the bountiful food stocks too!
Like the tigers of the Sundarbans.
Paul, you and your book are worthless spam.
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