Well, I'm with you there Xym. in your item (6) - vote fraud in New Hampshire. My fanmail goes to the Ron Paul Revolution, and he is one of the two most targetted by vote fraud (the other being Obama). If the RPR does not contest the election and demand a recount, then they may as well pack up now, hand back all the money they received from hundreds of thousands of enthusiastic supporters, and forget they ever existed.
OBAMA IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.. billionaire Pritzker family (Zionist Jews out of Chicago) own that nice BOY!
Bulov. Iraqwar.ru
His chief financial supporters are the billionaire Pritzker family (Zionist Jews out of Chicago). Abram Nicholas Pritzker founded the Hyatt hotel chain. The Pritker family is one of the wealthiest in the USA. They’ve owned Braniff Airlines, Royal Caribbean Cruises, and so forth. Obama’s primary bank is Penny Pritzker (Zionist Russian-Ukranian Jew) who is one of the richest women in the USA. Pritzker is a treasurer for the “Real Estate Roundtable,” an AIPAC offshoot in Washington that lobbies for legislation to help commercial landlords. Almost all members of this “Roundtable” are Zionist Jews. Since the days of the Rothschilds, when powerful Jews team up to influence a nation, they form a cabal they call a “Roundtable” (their word, not mine). For example, the Jewish bankers that financed World War I and Bolshevism cooperated through an organization they called the “Roundtable.” Thus, when Obama went home to Illinois on February 12, he was met at the airport by 7,300 anti-war protesters who shouted and held signs that read, "Cut the Funding." Obama immediately departed to attend a personal fundraiser hosted for him by Chicago billionaire Penny Pritzker - see :
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.c...ugh/
trib30.html
"A Vienna court sentenced the 43-year-old former financial manager of the International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights (IHF) to three years in prison, the Austria Press Agency reported. The fraud forced the IHF to shut up shop after 25 years last November and begin insolvency proceedings. The court heard how over a period of six years he had diverted funds from the IHF to his bank account, disguising the transfers as payments to humanitarian projects. In fact, the money went mainly to his 31-year-old mistress. She used it to gamble—apparently spending up to 5,000 euros a week playing poker—and to pay for cosmetic surgery, including breast implants and a nose job. The accountant told the court he was ‘practically her slave.’"
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/
Disp..._January226.xml
Re Item 5
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard Dubya saying this.
"There should be an end to the occupation that began in 1967. The agreement must establish Palestine as a homeland for the Palestinian people, just as Israel is a homeland for the Jewish people. These negotiations must ensure that Israel has secure, recognized, and defensible borders. And they must ensure that the state of Palestine is viable, contiguous, sovereign, and independent."
Still don't.
Perusal of the comments section to Clemons' blog raises questions about C's loyalties, and Xymph's judgement.
It would not be an unprecedented irony if this blog turns out to be serving the interests of those it most vociferously denounces.
W is trying to sound not controlled, but nothing he says will ultimately have any relevancy. Fuck the fruit indeed.
It is always safe to assume bounded rationality and limited information on the part of all actors involved. Only the master conspirator, i.e., God, might be aware of all games. On earth however, the puppet masters are few in number, great in power, but not always playing non-zero-sum games with one another.
It is a truism that the best agent is not aware to be one, and this may well be Edmonds case. Xymph's 'caveat lector' is therefore in order. Contratictory information from unusual sources tend to be disinfo, but exceptionally it may of factional disputes whose context is invisible.
I only disagree with Xymph's reductionism in his categorical depiction of a struggle between a Wasp establishment and Jews.
There are many parties, factions, interests, and loyalties interacting in multiple levels. But if there is one single conspiracy subsuming all others it would be called 'the Establishment'.
re: New Hampshire recounts.
Kucinich has demanded a Dem recount,
Alfred Howard has demaded a Rep recount.
Howard is one of those "Other" candidates.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/24235
especially:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/24...de/24235?
page=1
H whispering - you may have heard him (Dubya) say it ... he didn't mean it ... and surely didn't understand it.
He has subsequently given the thumbs up to expanding the settlements.
at least olmert had the decenty to slip into hebrew before telling lieberman and yosef they needn't quit.
ziz | Homepage | 01.11.08 - 7:10 am
So I've heard. Nutty, isn't it?
Referring, of course, to the vast quantity of insultingly idiotic crap people are prepared to tolerate before their impatience and humiliation get the better of them.
Am I the only person who has pondered the possibility that the (political) blogosphere is little more than a NWO-approved Wailing Wall for bleeding hearts?
NWO approved? While much of the wailing on internet results in nothing, I don't think THEY are keen on the emergence of Ron Paul's power and renown via the internet. I think they are probably scrambling to "create" or compromise the next generation grass-roots populist heroes. We will likely see the cross-over of popular bloggers into the political arena and internet traffic stats provide our handlers with an easy way to prioritize targets. How many of the emerging celebrity bloggers do you think are already on the global intelligence payroll? Why not this one? Like they say rat poison is 90% nutritious and 10% deadly.
Talk is cheap especially king george's. I'll wait to see what happens.
The blogosphere may well be a wailing wail but if it provides information, we are still better off.
We in the States never use to hear any criticism of jews/israel in the press and now we do. Why? I'm sure their behavior hasn't changed. There is a reason they are being pointed out. Someone is pissed off, about what I don't know, but something is going on.
yeah but you are being pointed back towards an archaic and unreal liberalism (the wailing about 'isolationism' is quite superficial by comparison with this).
The jewess Alexandrova fails to see anything wrong with "Zionism" or jewish tribalism though "some zionist have become fascists"....
Really?
What a fucking fake the only jew i respect is Gilad Atzmon
aaRaw Story and Larisa Alexandrovna are just not trustworthy sources. I do glance at them from time to time but, argh, they are too often wrong and too often a waste of time. It's worth noting that both of them have 3rd country connections that, I assume, is why they are used a laundries, just to keep it kinda legal. Oddly, both RS and LA seem kinda sincere so I guess it's possible that they don't know they are being, um, I guess the right word is, spun for someone's gain.
...the world has changed...
Yes, but even though he said some new things, I wouldn't assume Bush has changed. I suspect he had to say some of that as payback to Blair and maybe Rice and/or other playas. And, of course, I'm not sure Blair or Rice or whoever has changed but, yeah, they need Bush to say that stuff for domestic consumption, as they say, and because the GOP wants to position itself to take credit for whatever settlement might happen, even if it's in the future and even if it's just for US consumption.
Dunno about Christian Zionists and the NH vote count but, yeah, the Dem really should support a scientifically useful recount. WTF is wrong with people, you should recount votes regularly just to make sure regardess of whatever fraud you thing might occured. It's just good voting hygiene.
Larissa probably represents some left liberal russian faction. She has a sort of punkish charm, though, apparently a by product of the melt down of socialism was a vivid punk style.
i often wonder why it's called "Raw Story" when it is the exact opposite of raw - it deals with the mass media as process.
anyway she spotted some good news - digital rights management is more or less dead:
http://today.reuters.com/news/ar...ZON-
SONYBMG.xml
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Alfred Howard, Republican Presidential candidate from Michigan is apparently in NH now and has till the end of the day to file for a recount. 67K is needed to pay for it and 17K has been raised so far (GrannyWarriors.com), I think he gets another week to have all the money collected. Quite a few Ron Paul supporters, myself included, have told the RP campaign that RP needs to get onboard or those fabulous "money bombs" will be getting rather light. I thought RP did very well last night in the SC debate.
the perils of machine translation
Most entertaining. Evidently there's life in our profession yet.
I noticed from one of her videos that Sibel is supported by Frank Lautenberg, who is a liberal hawk.
I went off to look up his views on Israel but he doesn't seem to have any, yet.
Then I got distracted by this horrible square grid they use to rank the peoples' views:
http://www.theadvocates.org
Item 4 (where Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Yona Metzger violates kol nidre) - i used to think that a self hating jew is the one who speaks the truth but that requires an adjustment: truth is kosher among fellow settlers but becomes anti-talmudic when allowed to be reprinted in "goy" (as if there is such a thing) press.
open wide, here comes a generous helping of big oil, courtesy of shills like mark steyn.
5. Antiwar Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich has sent a letter to the relevant New Hampshire party asking for a recount. If you are one of the candidates, no matter how badly you were trounced, you do have the privilege to ask for the recount, it seems.
4. Bush's Israel visit seems funny to me in this way: what is Israel going to get for going against its long-term plans to follow through on a two-state solution which affords Palestine a lot of advantages it otherwise would lack? What is the other shoe? Why doesn't it drop? I think it must be a deal about bombing Iran, and soon.
We in the States never use to hear any criticism of jews/israel in the press and now we do. Why?
Laurie, what you're hearing is the steam whistle going off atop the pressure cooker - some pressure being released is all ... it is still matzo + chicken soup inside.
word
or - lokshen soup and begels
I managed to get a comment onto haaretz describing his speech as "remarkably tactless"
Title: That`s an exceptionally tactless interpretation
Name: Rowan Berkeley
City: London
State: England
Perhaps he really does feel that the only significant WW2 Jewish casualties were the religious ones. He`s that kind of man, isn`t he.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/obj...3&
itemno=943913
This is the passage from Bush's speech I was attacking:
"I guess I came away with this impression, that I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would not forsake their God -- that in the face of unspeakable crimes against humanity, brave souls, young and old, stood strong for what they believe."
He's probably still laboring under the assumption that jewish is a religion instead of a state of mind.
You may well be right, lobro, it's just the steam kettle...but we can live in hope.
there is this empty word 'ethnicity'.
Nice try. Ethnicity means which ever team we want to be on and will have us.
6. Election Fraud in NH-
According to BBV, this is not as simple as we might wish & is fraught with potential mines:
""
"We have no control over the ballot chain of custody and we have learned the pain from the 2004 Nader recount, in which only 11 districts were counted, chosen by a highly questionable person, and then nothing showed up. Now all we hear is how the Nader recount validated the machines."
As Tobi says, "A candidate asking for a recount may well be a tool used to 'prove' everything was okay and then that candidate will be further discredited."
I'll go further than that. The only way a recount makes any sense at all in New Hampshire is AFTER an assessment is made of the chain of custody issues. If the chain of custody isn't intact the recount won't be worth a cup of warm spit."
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin...1954/
71260.html
I have to say - I understand the doubts and questions about Sibel Edmonds but going on about it isn't really helping in that regard.
Nearly a week now and there isn't even a hint of it in the MSM. And all we are getting is more conspiratorial confusion from bloggers who should be IMO speaking loud and clearly about finding the truth...
And I'd also say that Xymp gives the ZOG far too much credit for covering their tracks when we've got many examples of their sloppy crimes i.e Niger uranium forgeries(Raimondo today), Blair's plagerized dossier on Iraqi WMD etc etc..
...World Trade Centre building 7....
I could even hypothesize on Xymphora's credentials based on his apparent desire to have us doubt Edmonds veracity.
But then that would be rather pointless wouldn't it?
stevieb - Right now, Chertoff is making a speech about how we HAVE to have national ID, and connection between state drivers' license agencies...What objections by civil libertarians "Grounded in misrepresenation" "We're not going to have a national ID database which makes info available willy-nilly" - oh no?
Very Doomsday Book post-conquest - eh? He actually says that the 9/11 hijackers had flaky ID and that is why 9/11 happened. While his nephew went to work in Pop Mechanics to show that the buildings fell by fire...
Anyway -- I am waiting for someone to assault the ID issues with 9/11 ...his Big Lie rationale
No place to run, no place to hide....
I liked it better when men didn't cry...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...srael_holocaust
What delicious irony - let's bomb the Jews to save them....
baradei expresses some rather conventional views and does some hand wringing to dar al hayat:
http://english.daralhayat.com
incidentally, I have exchanged a few emails with jihad al khazen, who writes the fiery "ayoon wa azaan" column, and he turns out to be a catholic.
sibels' views on clemens's theory:
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=2645973
that whole thread is nice except that lukery and sibel both recommend this :
http://www.consortiumnews.com/ar...ve/
story33.html
in messages 158-151 in the thread, and indeed the book "the beast reawakens", by martin lee, who is an ADL/SPLC type of guy
Good News:
Alfred Howard made it to Concord on time but didn't have the cash needed to pay for a recount. The GrannyWarriors found this Eric who had the cash and he paid it.
The recount is on. Announcement was at 1:30PM today.
what I mean about martin lee is that I have read "the beast reawakens", and just as its title would suggest, it is one of those books that tells you that gladio-type state-terrorist groups (like the grey wolves in the immediate instance) and david duke etc etc, is all part of one big conspiracy against left liberal civilisation.
all such writing is jewish hocus pocus, which is designed specifically to obscure the fact that the state of israel has been the foremost ally of grey-wolves-type state terrorist organisations, death squads, far-right campaigns against peasant nationalists in central america, etc, supplying trained killers complete with state of the art jewish weapons to the neo-fascist state-sponsored paramilitaries, alongside CIA - nothing to do with David Duke etc etc etc
so if sibel thinks martin lee is cool, that makes her a phony.
What I hear Al-Baradei saying is that the smart boys should take care of the dumb boys.
I had the distinct impression Democratic underground was a jewish/liberal site.
The consortium news link sounds like anti-turkish propaganda BS to me, which doesn't add to sibel's credibility.
it's a chance for me to identify the martin lee type of propaganda with more precision, and I shall tell you how it works in one sentence - it fails to distinguish between bourgeois fascism and proletarian fascism. this is a typically jewish manouevre in that it involves first understanding marxian class logic and then deciding to use it in reverse.
I would be happy for a definition of fascism and how it differs from socialism.
if abbas is foolish and weak, he is, he will accept this proposal for a pal state. ersatz israel will be officially recognized as a jew state and the pals will get to extinguish themselves in cages controlled by the zoo keeper.
In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God bless Israel, George Bush."
"no, jewry does not control me. no, i am not a puppet. tears always well up in my beady, soulless eyes when master says 'cry'." - monkey george
at 342, forgot to thank laurie for link to jpost article.
yahoo news not jpost
I noticed from one of her videos that Sibel is supported by Frank Lautenberg, who is a liberal hawk.
I went off to look up his views on Israel but he doesn't seem to have any, yet.
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage |01.11.08 - 9:57 am
RB, long time since ive heard his name. i sure lautenberg is a jew and a strong supporter of israel. probably a closet israeli.
This might the one time I agree with you Shlomos. Ok here's the deal, The deal is: Israel gets recognized as a state by Palestinians (and the rest of the Arabic states)... is it a deal?
not just a state, but recognized as a JEW STATE. this arafat refused to do. maybe why or one of the whys that israel killed him
Joos franchise 'Holocaust":
The Turks haven't learned the British way of denying past atrocities
http://books.guardian.co.uk/
comm...1674478,00.html
Monbiot however genuflects to the One True Holocaust:
There is one, rightly sacred Holocaust in European history. All the others can be denied, ignored, or belittled. (...)
"norman finkelstein in the netherlands" by jelle bruinsma at counterpunch, 1/5.
reveals NF to be another chomsky. a gatekeeper, a deceiver.
a game going on. NF gets tossed at depaul but he does get a large dollar award. he now has greater street credibility and will give many speeches and write books. the other professor tossed, name?, got nothing.
such is jewry.
chomsky:finkelstein; same:same; gatekeepers:deceivers
i love liars
liars come to me
liars called jewry
spin a lie
wrap a lie
post a lie
lay a lie
we are lie
we gave the lie
our lie beget lies
lies R us
forgot.
if the palestinians again refuse the unacceptable, the world dumps on them again. their fault. ersatz israel has no partner, etc, etc, lie, lie, lie.
now i can go enjoy sabbath friday.
good poem 5ds.
George Monbiot's father is jewish on his mother's side, ruth margaret salmon. George's family sounds pretty inbred judging by his Wiki write-up, he's his own fourth cousin. All of which gives him a double dose of caring for others, hence his involvement with the global justice movement. Once he's done prancing around the world shinning light on injustice, i'm sure he'll run for office. He's just a little rich do gooder.
Berkeley
Over on Orcinus in the comments somebody was talking about Marx's attack on Proudhoun as an example of the former's anti-populist attitudes, and of course assuming that "true" socialism and populism were antithetical. Yeah, well....
Schlomos should admit ,in spite Finklestein's shortcomings , Mearsheimer and Walt themselves do not simplify matters as much as he would like. Therefore the role of Cheney and Rummy remains slightly more ambiguous.
Where did I hear this before?
You shall have no other genocides before me.
(…)
you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
for I the Holocaust your Genocide am a jealous Genocide,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children
to the third and the fourth generation of those who deny me,
but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
who love me and keep my commandments
Communist Manifesto 20:3
Hen Koop never answers how building #7 came down...lying piece of shit he is.
NF gets tossed at depaul but he does get a large dollar award. he now has greater street credibility and will give many speeches and write books. the other professor tossed, name?, got nothing.
such is jewry.
amen.
unfortunately, every time i cave to the inner nice guy, and give some jew credit for normality, the reality check comes up shortly afterwards.
Of course, there are those who deny reality at all costs.
i think they know it and play the system all the time.
Psychology as a field must have been invented for this primary reason, to study goys and how to pavlovize them.
america has been deformed into the 13th tribe, that faithfully eats shit of the other 12.
consider that the highest virtue in usa is the ability to sell, sell, sell, the more worthless the product, the more exalted the successful salesman.
Hype, marketing, never-ending bullshit (did the word even exist before ZOG?).
Who was (the jew) that said: 'america is the only nation that believes its own propaganda'?
exactly, and the credit for befouling an entire huge nation goes to them, the masters of deceit and perversion of morals and language.
of course, the so called establishment eagerly bought into it for the filthy lucre.
most americans know they are constantly lied to but not only accept it, they eagerly anticipate it and complain bitterly about ripoff if they don't get it; in press, TV, movies, books, politics, ... i guess the truth sucks and is not on par with hollywood, 'reality' shows, dancing with stars, star voyeurism, ... reality is for losers like iraqis, who displeased the lie masters and are left out to suck on DU for sustenance.
I agree with Ron Paul, Hossain, who you have also called a lying piece of shit while posting kook material galore from true shits.
look lobro-the moment NF says he is a communist he immediately ousts himself as a player in American politick. All else, as someone once said, is commentary or Commentary.
# As has been noted by many, the Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Yona Metzger thanked Bush for attacking Iraq as part of Bush’s support for Israel. Just think of the slurring that goes on if anybody else even dares to mention this most obvious of facts.
http://
www.theawarenesscenter.or...tzger_Yona.html
The Awareness Center is The Jewish Coalition Against Sexual Abuse/Assault (JCASA)
Case of Rabbi Yona Metzger
Chief Rabbi (Ashkenazi) in Israel
Rabbi Yona Metzger is accused of sexual misconduct with four men.
Dear Sirs,
Unfortunately I must protest your continued and persistent semitic concrčtist posture.
yea, Ron Paul supported the Israeli bombing of Iraq's Osirak nuke reactor, and I suppose that you support that as well...motherfucker!!!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Mid...t/
JA12Ak03.html
Michael Scheuer analyses bin Laden's latest tape and his options. Will he attempt to turn the jihad on the Saudi government?
If Ron Paul's foreign aid policy had been adopted ,ong ago, Israel would not have had the means to bomb Osirak--a bombing with which Iran's Islamic government found no fault, kook.
Anyone else picking up on the reaction among US blacks (Brazile for instance) to standard political attacks on Obama. They be outraged, by the Clintons no less. Seems as though the first "black co-presidents" ain't stepping aside to let the black man have his turn at the top of the mountain. Now that's just plain racist, see I told you all them crackers was lying devils.
Who can blame them though, they've been trained by the jewtube to see every criticism as racist hatred.
Oh, this is going to be rich. This race may hold more lessons for western whites than the OJ trial. Obama-rama will be cast-away by the elites before he gets his hands on the prize. They'd be too scared with him in office, sort of like how you'd feel getting on a 747 flown by 2 black pilots. Scared. Very scared.
Five Roads to Doomsday:
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/page/2/
Clintons put on blackface for fun but when the race is on, it is back to jewface because they are brown-nosing a richer vein there.
Not that Obama would do things any differently.
At times like this I have to remind myself that Israel does not reall have a free press, but that the ministry of defense (the kirya= their equivalent of the pentagon) frequently tells them not just what NOT to print but actually tells them what TO print:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
943962.html
"NYT reports Syria rebuilding bombed nuclear site"
no scare quotes around nuclear
here is the NYT version, which most certainly does not stipulate that the site was nuclear, without any cautions, controversies, or caveats:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/1...st/
12syria.html
people may recall I mentioned a tradition here in blighty whereby disinfo from the secret services was always leaked AT THE WEEKEND to the Daily or Sunday Telegraph or the Times.
I would be happy for a definition of fascism and how it differs from socialism. Laurie | 01.11.08 - 3:04 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
A._...A._James_Gregor
I have all his books except the ones on sovietology
sorry, what am I saying - except the ones on china
the way that wikipedia profile smears him is absolutely typical.
Larry Ellison, a literal bastard Jew, is the 'Invisible Man' CEO at the Oracle R&D Park in Tel Aviv. What a SAP.
Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle Corp, CIA/Mossad asset?
Prior to forming Oracle, Bob Miner was Larry Ellison's manager where they worked at Ampex together on a CIA project code-named "Oracle."
http://
searchoracle.techtarget.c...1261162,00.html
shake in your shoes, oppressive kuffar!
PORTUGUESE air traffic authorities have intercepted a message describing a militant threat against the Eiffel Tower and passed it to French authorities, a Portuguese source said. "It is true we intercepted a conversation with terrorist threats to the Eiffel Tower yesterday," the source, who asked not to be named, told Reuters. "Our air force informed the French air force of this matter." Paris police referred inquiries to the Eiffel Tower where nobody was immediately available for comment. French daily Le Monde reported today that intelligence services were tracking the authors of the message. The newspaper said Portuguese air traffic authorities had intercepted a "vague and confused" short wave radio message yesterday, according to a police source.
Watch out for 19 iranian hijackers on four Air France planes.
with short wave radios, that should give them away
the very sagacious Laura Rozen describes the Syrians' rebuilding on the bombed site as "an inexplicably stupid thing to do," but she doesn't say why:
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogd...irs/
006898.html
Thanks for the suggestion Rowan. I was sorta hoping not to do the work myself.
Ahmed, interesting article about Ellison's CIA connections. It doesn't seem very bright to associate your technology company with the CIA.
My own view is that fascism is a regression of capitalism towards a nucleus composed of its oldest sectors, which are the landowners and the really large bourgeoisie such as the mine owners.
I don't feel quite happy about the above formulation - after all, not all nations have mines. But I do think that the landowners and their traditional supporters the BISHOPS will always feature in fascist power elites.
along with the lickspittle THEOLOGIANS
fascism maybe the most organic social structure. If you think about older societies they seem pretty much fascist. A wealthy elite (kings & court or whatever) and religious figures always rule.
that brings me to a very important point - the moving finger wrote, and having writ passed on - you can't rewind history, and the attempt to try is in a way constitutive of fascism (to be precise it is constitutive of fascism's characteristic form of false consciousness).
So you take more of a judaic approach to time and that is that time is linear? That's not pagan.
That's an interesting question. How does one prove that a consciousness is false? Maybe there should be two Berkeleys in philosophical history
'false consciousness' is a piece of marxian jargon, but I can't think of any form of 'false consciousness' that doesn't in some way pretend to recover a lost past.
my replacement hebrew class has now been cancelled, apparently because there wasn't enough demand.
I am going to curse Nitza Spiro with a mighty curse, but that will probably not make much difference.
That's a shame, but don't give up, another one will come along. Keep practicing what you already know so you can jump right in again....I plan to do that with my Nietzsche.
trust the Force, Rowan
(Force solves everything)
you know Laurie you have no idea how DILUTED BY METAPHYSICS your customary mode of thought can be. For instance, when I talk about it being impossible to rewind history, I am NOT trying to make an "eschatological" point - I am saying that capitalism in its efforts to recover its lost rates of profit will destroy itself repeatedly, more or less seeking a "year zero" for investment, Pol Pot style.
Why are Yids making ominous noises about Osirak?
Because they failed to incite attack on Iran, their cup of evil overfloweth, so who else to vent their venom on?
Besides Syria was always part of Eretz-land, sort of like Cuba is an extension of Dade County, right?
The elders of roundtable have spoken and their flying monkeys are screeching the news into the ether.
Free the Kurds! (Turkey's gonna love it)
why rewind the history when one can rewrite it for fun and profit?
how do you stay so sunny lobro
Good point lobro. Rewound or rewritten, six of one or half a dozen of the other.
Rowan you have rather an apocalyptic world view.
I think i agree with you about force in the sense that i think my emotional, psychological, one could maybe say spiritual involvement with things jewish has a momentum of its own, which if thwarted from its more constructive consummation might turn into - ahem - a golem.
Destabilize Turkey and that puts pressure on Russia. It will also put pressure on Europe as muslim refugees flood west. They'll have their clash of civilization one way or another. How's that for apocalyptic?
Lobro I don't think he meant that as a compliment to us.
you can destabilise things the easy way, or the hard way. the easy way is by bombing them back into the stone age. the hard way is paying people to run provocateur groups (what Kitson called "pseudo-gangs").
Or crash their economy.
Is Kitson spelled correctly because I'm not getting anything that sound correct when I google it.
crashing peoples' economies is a complex task, even with the best will in the world, so to speak.
It isn't Barry Kitson you mean is it?
Brigadier Frank Kitson wrote the definitive book on "Low Intensity Warfare", which has become THe classic of counter-insurgency.
here's a review of it:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/arch...ves/27/
054.html
Good, I began to worry you turned goyem.
I need my fix of hebrew, I need it bad, I is hurtin.
See you start with that sh*t and look what happens.
I've heard that about street gangs before, that they really are just a way of controlling people. It works. It's also a good way to identify people with leadership qualities.
actually it does seem to me that the real reason they don't want me to learn hebrew is that they are frightened of occultism.
What is kabbalah if not occultism?
well, up to a point all this fits into the normal cleft stick that Gilad Atzmon among others congratulated me on having identified a year or more ago : if you fit into the right wing religious zionist brainwashing system then they own you and it doesnt matter. if you don't, then they treat you as someone without any legitimate specific interest in israel or jews at all.
Wait a minute I read that piece and I thought if you answered with left leanings they directed you to their lefty group. I'll go find it if I can.
Here we are:
“First they ask, Do you believe that (Jewish) Nationalism is a Good Thing, or a Bad Thing?
If you say it is a Good Thing, they will direct you to the Jewish Right, which will tell you that Jews have as much of a right to be nationalistic as anybody else does.
If you say it is a Bad Thing, they will direct you to the Jewish Left, which will tell you that you are not allowed to protest against Zionism on any basis other than Marxist or Anarchist Proletarian Internationalism - thus disqualifying almost all the actually existing anti-Zionist movements in the Arab world.
They can get away with this ideological shell game because each individual discursive arena is controlled by one or another Jewish faction.”[7]
what constitutes 'legitimacy', buying into the cult?
by that standard, my loathing of hyenas is illegitimate.
blimey _ I wrote better then that wot i does now
Hahahaha, I think you're forgetting what end of the stick you're shaking. You have to get up pretty early to pull the wool over the eyes of the Cannuk and me.
I've got to get somethings done. Talk with you tomorrow.
this is so good
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2008...ts-hard-to-say/
how do you stay so sunny lobro
i think it is radioactivity, the same process that powers the sun
I want those who obstruct my access to the mystic east to feel my effin' wrath.
I am beginning to think that it may just be a jewish collective inferiority complex, that makes them allow only those pre-selected for ideological submission to learn their language, which would otherwise require them to treat them as equals.
-- and this is not just the rabbinical types, as with the system of monopolising jewish food via kashrut -- this is the goddam laborites too.
collective linguistic, culinary, religious, etc. self-ghettification...
Perhaps it's because they are unable or unwilling to approach, let alone acknowledge the ultimate mysticism.
yes - but I would only agree in the sense that no "they" in this banal collective-assertive sense can comprehend anything which cannot be written in bureaucratese.
" I need my fix of hebrew, I need it bad, I is hurtin."
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:47 am
tell 2 lies. you'll feel better.
jewish culture actually is based on an inferiority complex, if we include the nietzschean sense of inferiority, i.e., inferiority in strength rather than in morals.
the whole culture, right across the board, from religious-rightist to secular-leftist, starts from "we were the smallest of all the nations, and yet... "
forgot to put this with my post yesterday:
israel's current proposal of a 2-state solution is jewry's "final solution" for the unwanted palestinians.
didn't bush say something like "forget that silly old UN"?
you know Laurie you have no idea how DILUTED BY METAPHYSICS your customary mode of thought can be. For instance, when I talk about it being impossible to rewind history, I am NOT trying to make an "eschatological" point - I am saying that capitalism in its efforts to recover its lost rates of profit will destroy itself repeatedly, more or less seeking a "year zero" for investment, Pol Pot style.
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:06 am | #
It's called gambling. Double or nothing until you lose it all. Because if you win, you go it again.
This feeling of mine for the jewish world only seems paradoxical because you don't apply the marxian class analysis. In fact, by listening to israeli punk bands and frequenting disreputable israeli web sites, I claim the acquaintance at least of some more or less lumpen part of the jewish israeli proletariat, which makes it impossible for the jewish bourgeois watchdogs to call me an anti semite.
RESIST
ALWAYS AGAINST THE OPPRESSOR
NEVER WITHOUT THE OPPRESSED
Which is why they have to tax your winnings, so the Government survives even if no one else can.
Global civil disobedience. Isn't that where we are now?
global general chaos, more like. Who is one supposed to be obedient to if one already belongs to "a state within a state"?
i mean, the jews are the quintessence of the "state within the state", and it is precisely this vague designation, "the jews", which maintains their solidarity. But my complaint is that I feel I am being held back from joining them, on the basis of the bigoted standards of their socalled leaders, isn't it?
To ask to join 'Them' is like asking 'them' to be like 'us,' is it not?
I haven't really heard much about it, but is there a parochial leadership that trumps the political? Is there some gray bearded religious guru the prime has to call on his life line before he can push the red button?
The MahaRabbi?
hp | 01.12.08 - 4:14 pm - Another good point hp. The thing I like about the pagan mentality or at least the way I understand it, is that they would say " I don't owe you". The christian mentality is "I owe you" and the jewish mentality is "you owe me". Screw the last two.
The name of the judean game is debt and all the sludge it generates, interest, guilt, class stratification and consciousness ... you take a roll in that swamp and you end up with leeches hanging onto you.
lobro, I ate my leaches a long time ago...then I shitted them out... I hope every1 else does the same too!!!
Ellison and Miner, who worked together at Ampex in the 1970s, started Software Development Laboratories in 1977 to develop database software for the CIA under the code name "Oracle." The Silicon Valley company had $2,000 in funding from Ellison, Miner and co-founders Ed Oates and Bruce Scott. And the startup had a cardboard sign in front of its first office.
Some of the anecdotes related by Ellison: The company bid $300,000 for the CIA project with the next biggest bid hitting $2 million -- an example of how little the founders understood finances. The company kept no real financial books for its first two years and Ellison and company had no idea what a balance sheet was. When they discovered that the man who delivered pizza to the company every night was a Berkeley accounting student, they convinced him to quit school and become the company's first CFO.
The original "terabit database" project for the CIA failed and in 1982 the company changed its name to Oracle. ("Because the project failed, the name was available," Ellison said.) The CEO also admitted that the first version of the company's relational database was dubbed Release 2.0. "Who would buy Version 1 of a database from four guys in California?" Ellison said. He also related a story of a confrontation with a marine guard at CIA headquarters when he lost his security badge while installing the company's software at CIA headquarters.
Ellison Looks Back As Oracle Turns 30
http://www.crn.com/software/202804935
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We got a black quarterback...so get back.
like: "son, now I've got to tell you a little (dirty) secret: you owe the bank soandso much, everyone in this or other country has a growing debt", "why that?"- "dunno, the bank has lend it to the government, hundred years ago.. "
from Kali Yuga 5100:
Leadership falls into the hands unprincipled criminals who use their power to loot the people. The world teems with ideologues, mystagogues, fanatics, and spiritual bunko atrists who win huge followings among a people dazed by social and moral anarchy. Unspeakable depravities and atrocities flourish under a rhetoric of high ideals.
http://www.avatara.org/kali/intro.html
Dharma is supported by four pillars in Satya-yuga: cleanliness, austerity, mercy and truthfulness. In each succeding age, (of the 4), one leg is removed, until in Kali-yuga, dharma is balanced precariously on truthfulness alone, and even that erodes as the age progresses.
seems pretty late in that age.
Ellison was born in New York City to Florence Spellman, a 19-year-old unwed Jewish mother. At his mother's request, he was given to his mother's aunt and uncle in Chicago to raise. Lillian Spellman Ellison and Louis Ellison adopted him when he was nine months old. Ellison did not learn the name of his mother or meet her until he was 48; the identity of his father is unknown.
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Forbes Magazine places Larry Ellison at number eleven on their billionaire list, with a net worth of $21.5 billion USD.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/
2007...aires_Rank.html
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You the man..stay black.
ORACLE OPENS NEW R&D CENTER IN ISRAEL (02/2007)
Oracle also announced intentions to triple its investment in Israeli start-ups during 2007
Enterprise software giant, Oracle, is opening a new R&D center based on its acquisition of Israeli company, Demantra, last year. The R&D center, with approximately 30 employees, will develop technology focused on demand driven planning solutions. At the opening of the R&D center, Oracle announced its plans to invest in 12-15 Israeli start-ups this upcoming year, compared to 4 companies in 2006.
Invest in Israel: Investment Promotion Center
Ellison was born in New York City to Florence Spellman, a 19-year-old unwed Jewish mother. At his mother's request, he was given to his mother's aunt and uncle in Chicago to raise. Lillian Spellman Ellison and Louis Ellison adopted him when he was nine months old. Ellison did not learn the name of his mother or meet her until he was 48; the identity of his father is unknown.
Larry Ellison: Biography
Forbes Magazine places Larry Ellison at number eleven on their billionaire list, with a net worth of $21.5 billion USD.
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I'm just a struggling Black man trying to keep my dick hard in a cruel and harsh world.
you can destabilise things the easy way, or the hard way. the easy way is by bombing them back into the stone age. the hard way is paying people to run provocateur groups (what Kitson called "pseudo-gangs").
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 10:32 am
This is incorrect. Stone-Aging a country is only an easy option if the target is defenseless, in a formal military sense. Recent examples are Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq. The vast majority of America's wars are the civilian equivalent of taking a baseball bat to a 90 y-o cripple to steal her purse. Or, in cases like the above and Vietnam, just for the heck of it and to improve baseball bat sales.
Also, the so-called counter-insurgency experts overlook (or seek to conceal) the obvious fact that members of an 'insurgency' (a grossly abused euphemism for resisters to foreign invasion. Sri Lanka's Tamills are insurgents) have their backs to the wall and fight like people with nothing to lose. The visitors eventually stop believing their own bullshit, swallow their pride and go home, licking their wounds and pulling stories of civilian-killing heroism out of thin air, and counting the profits from baseball bat sales.
There are only 2 ways to overcome an 'insurgency'.
1 Negotiate a mutually acceptable agreement.
2 Kill everyone.
Books, and experts, who claim otherwise are wrong. This is, or would become, obvious if one examined the outcome of conflicts involving resistance by the citizens of militarily ill-equipped countries, instead of the ins and outs of labyrinthine tomes on marxism/ socialism/ communism.
When it comes to gratuitous pseudo-military mass murder there's one strict and inviolate rule for 'success'.
"Don't bite off more than one can chew".
remember the advert that Ms. refused to run?
"These excuses insult the intelligence of their readers," said Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz. "My family has been a subscriber since the beginning, but this is an act of utter bigotry. It's pure and simple anti-Israel discrimination. They've run many controversial ads and stories. And they will never stick to this standard in the future or they'll be bankrupted. This is a standard invented for Israel. Ms. magazine has become the United Nations of magazines. The ad tells the truth," Dershowitz said. "There's no country in the world that has as many women on the Supreme Court. Israel is the first country in history to have a woman prime minister who did it on her own, and wasn't married to or the child of another significant person. The ad has to run," he continued, "and there should be stories about the ad not running, and finally, whoever made decision [not to run the ad] must be fired."
Dershowitz also vowed "to start a campaign of leading feminists to critique and disassociate themselves from so bigoted a magazine. No legitimate person today can support Ms. magazine while it has this policy."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
"no legitimate person" - what a curious phrase
Brian Haw got arrested and beaten up during a downing street demo yesterday.
the texans determined to become a new israel:
Rafael Garza, a former mayor of this small border city, stood steps from the back door of his simple brick house and chopped the air with a hand. “This is where the actual fence would be,” he said. Juan Hernandez sounds resigned to the fence. “I don’t know how they’re going to do it, but they’re going to do it,” he said. And the federal property line, he said, would be at his shower. Mr. Garza, 36, a Hidalgo County sheriff’s sergeant who traces his family here to 1767, was imagining what life would be like in the shadow of the Proposed Tactical Infrastructure — the wall, to many outraged South Texans — that the Department of Homeland Security has committed to build by the end of the year. Although federal officials say its location and design are still in flux, official maps of the Texas third of the 370-mile intermittent pedestrian barrier from Brownsville to California have provoked widespread alarm among property owners fearful of being cut off from parts of their own land or access to the Rio Grande for livestock and crops...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/1...s/
13border.html
I know it's cruel to take sentences out of context but:
The time has come to show the refusers of peace the door. "Courage to Change before the Calamity" wrote Yitzhak Ben-Aharon in "Lamerchav" in January 1963 in another context, and never has this mighty and archaic sentence sounded more fitting and relevant. (Gideon Levy, Haaretz)
here's the Brian Haw story:
during the freedom to protest assembly this afternoon, brian haw (who was peacefully filming events in whitehall) was violently attacked by a territorial support group policeman who lashed out at him, smashing his camera into his face and causing a deep cut. police then arrested brian for an unspecified public order offence and further assaulted him in a police van. a number of people were milling around the road outside downing street where a group of around a dozen had laid down with linked arms in the road. without warnings the territorial support group moved in and began violently pushing and man-handling people to the pavement. one young woman was grabbed round the throat and dragged. others were pushed from behind. brian was miving backwards towards the pavement with a camera to his face when officer U1019 lunged at him deliberately and without provocation. the blow was aimed directly at brian's face and pushed his camera into his cheek causing a deep wound. shortly afterwards, brian was snatched from the crowd and taken to a police van, from which witnesses heard him screaming. after several minutes he was dragged out of the van looking very alarmed and frightened, and taken to another cell van where he was driven to belgravia police station. supporters there are worried for his safety, but after an hour of no news, they were told that he was being taken to see the prison doctor. there are concerns about his treatment during that hour. steve jago, on seeing the snatch, pushed forward to try to help brian, but was immediately pounced on by four heavy tsg thugs who violently dragged him to the ground, sat on him, and aggressively hand-cuffed him before apprently arresting him for an unknown offence. in an afternoon of filming, at no time did i see a single act of violence towards the police from the peaceful protestors, and yet police used completely disproportionate and aggressive tactics to disperse and control peaceful sit-downs and blockades. i saw a 61 year old woman being dragged wihout any heed for 'health and safety' and dumped on the pavement. another elderly man was thrown over his bicycle (despite having recently had an accident leaving him in considerable pain). there were several other arrests this afternoon, mainly for obstruction and public order offences. one person was arrested for 'organising an unauthorised protest'..
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2.../01/
389308.html
Why no coverage of McCain's racism in the debate? John McCain was overtly racist in the SC debate, read it here:
John McCain's racism in SC debate
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
the american jewish liberal lie:
David Brooks used one of his columns to announce that an earthquake had rocked the American political landscape. With breathless excitement, Brooks gushed, "When an African-American man is leading a juggernaut to the White House, do you want to be the one to stand up and say No?"
Amazingly concise note by Arun Gandhi,
President and co-founder of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence.
Jewish Identity Can't Depend on Violence
ewish identity in the past has been locked into the holocaust experience -- a German burden that the Jews have not been able to shed. It is a very good example of a community can overplay a historic experience to the point that it begins to repulse friends. The holocaust was the result of the warped mind of an individual who was able to influence his followers into doing something dreadful. But, it seems to me the Jews today not only want the Germans to feel guilty but the whole world must regret what happened to the Jews. The world did feel sorry for the episode but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on the regret turns into anger.
The Jewish identity in the future appears bleak. Any nation that remains anchored to the past is unable to move ahead and, especially a nation that believes its survival can only be ensured by weapons and bombs. In Tel Aviv in 2004 I had the opportunity to speak to some Members of Parliament and Peace activists all of whom argued that the wall and the military build-up was necessary to protect the nation and the people. In other words, I asked, you believe that you can create a snake pit -- with many deadly snakes in it -- and expect to live in the pit secure and alive? What do you mean? they countered. Well, with your superior weapons and armaments and your attitude towards your neighbors would it not be right to say that you are creating a snake pit? How can anyone live peacefully in such an atmosphere? Would it not be better to befriend those who hate you? Can you not reach out and share your technological advancement with your neighbors and build a relationship?
Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don't befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity.
http://
newsweek.washingtonpost.c..._past.html#more
you can see in the comments where the giyus crowd arrive, with a whole lot of really vigorous one liners.
omigod, the fear, the fear!
Religion-Politics Mix Gives Rise to Fear
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle19045.htm
The money quote:
I’m a Jew and I’m scared.
Rabid Christianity is breaking out all over the USA ...
that is like brer rabbit's fear of the briar patch
"Naomi Schalit, Opinion Page editor for the Kennebec Journal and Morning Sentinel" is exactly the same sort of tactical pseudo-liberal - but actually jewish supremacist - as david brooks, whom i quoted gushing over obama, and who is also a neocon, when that is more tactical for jews.
great mark glenn article:
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.co...l-in-the-
offing
also a quite nice one by wendy campbell:
http://www.rense.com/general80/ppn.htm
ICH haloscan commentators straightened Ms. Schalit out.
One of them pointed out his kids in public school had to sing "requisite" yiddish songs for "winter holidays", no translation deemed necessary or indeed possible. Maybe he mixed up "yiddish" with "hebrew" ?
There's a lot of anger out there.
well, yiddishism still exists as a sort of subculture, sometimes associated with nostalgia for the old east european jewish socialist Bund.
and of course it exists among ashkenazi ultra orthodox too, who refuse to use hebrew for non religious speech.
Righteo, did you see this?
http://www.nafcash.com/
"Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust, NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD for locating JUST ONE of the alleged “HUGE MASS GRAVES” of Treblinka.
NAFCASH TM presents THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM
You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total at least one percent of the alleged mass murder."
found via
http://wwww.whatreallyhappened.com/
Xen. - yes I saw that, and the Richard Krege video is well worth watching.
Here's another video site:
One Third Of The Holocaust
http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/
Postman Patel - xymphora's own "ziz" - on lev leviev and his expensive new london home:
http://postmanpatel.blogspot.com...nt-home-
in.html
Henry Makow says the Canadian Jewish Congress is harassing him & his mates:
Jewish Congress Menaces
Homeless Newspaper Over
Henry Makow, PhD
http://www.rense.com/general80/m...al80/
menace.htm
Was the Supreme Court naive, was it the only one who did not know that the buffer area vacated of humans was prepared for the building of expansive settlements there, which enriched their owners with free land, cheap water and most importantly local workers who cultivated the beloved-hated land for the daily wage of a mere pita with oil?
from Avigdor Feldman, "My Memories as a Dog in the Rafah Salient", Hadashot, March 30, 1989
Makow is a convert to some form of Christianity, isn't he?
Possibly. Probably.
film of brian haw getting arrested, here:
http://www.archive.org/details/s...ls/socpa12-1-
08
Poor Henry, it seems, spends most of his time warding off evil spirits..
If it was established that Holocaust is a 100% hoax, that not one Jew (or anyone else for that matter) was gassed or otherwise murdered due to their ethnicity or religious persuasion at any of the alleged sites, would that banish the awful stigma applied to Nazism, SS, Third Reich, etc?
There would be a global, wholesale revolution against the 250 year old 'NWO' that got into the full swing with Redshields ... serious questioning of Holocaust is the sacred duty of every non-liar in the world.
It would create a much more frightening stigma, that of criminal, psychopathic mass brainwashing, which would haunt the Jews forever. remember "Doctor Mabuse"
I cannot find a youtube clip that really captures the Mabuse plot, but my impression is that in the first film he was a criminal hypnotist, which really suggests a sort of metaphor for the jewish press lords of the time - in subsequent films he becomes a sort of vampire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...h?
v=9bLMRPpSToI
Mabuse is a doctor of psychology and master of disguise. He tricks many people out of money by conning them and using hypnotism. He murders many people, and towards the end sees their ghosts, and goes mad. It is debatable about whether he saw the ghosts because he was mad, or that seeing the ghosts sent him mad. He is then sent to an asylum which is the setting for the next film, Das Testament des Dr. Mabuse (The Testament of Dr. Mabuse, also known as The Last Will of Dr. Mabuse) ten years on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Dr....use_the_Gambler
i heard of dr mabuse, but don't recall seeing it (dial "M" for "abuse"?).
I won't pass the opportunity to do so when it arises.
And the bit about ghosts and madness is good too, life may imitate art yet again ...
Righteo
big controversy about Turner/FBI mentioned in your piece. go to Spicenter.
http://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=551
t-desco on Syria Comment for AQ balance, etc.
The idea that all this chaos is not being created intentionally is even more disturbing.
perhaps the intention of making profit that has accumulated to mafia structures and even profit on wars. So that at least a part of the chaos is made by the media to hide this and the influential ones. But then still, how to explain why this "manmade" chaos is tolerated, i.e. the lies about the WMDs of Saddam...
It would create a much more frightening stigma, that of criminal, psychopathic mass brainwashing, which would haunt the Jews forever.
Definitely food for thought.
Suppose the extent and enormity of The Lie were exposed to idiot public.
It would be of utmost importance to shield the innocent, who are probably the greatest victims of the brainwashing program, while punishing the high priests of the cult.
The numerous, interlinked bastions of Jew power should be dismantled and the foremost victims (such as Palestinians and other Arabs) remunerated, Israel abolished.
Beyond that, there should be no vindictiveness, only iron-clad protection of human rights and freedom, individual and communal.
The stigma should definitely not last forever, only the vigilance.
Any other reaction does not solve the problem but simply renames it.
I think it is this last bit that sticks in the throats of zio-quislings.
GUESS WHAT?? We won't be seeing that much of the fake illiterate doctor Gupta anymore (mystery)--word also has it Mister Biden socialist dupe is going off on a skiing trip this weekend with some nice folks--he won't be returning as far as we know but the ski-lift ride should prove entertaining. These are the days of the long knives twice warmed again kids.
If your going to call the tune, you have to pay the piper. The jews have had their state now, they've controlled both the U.S. and England and what have been the results? Two world wars, a Bolshevik revolution that produced a state that murdered millions, a world wide depression and now the middle east. The weight of history will crush them like it did Rachael Corrie.
My point is not to be wimpy-kind but to ensure that safeguards are in place against treasonous lying in high places.
Now, if the denouement turns into a massive, McCarthy-like jew-hunt, it provides a convenient smokescreen for those who are the most culpable, the treacherous collaborators, who will suddenly emerge to lead the witch hunt (sort of like in former East Bloc countries), shouting with all the fake fervour they are famous for.
Remember that without the sellouts, Jewish power would amount to nothing at all.
Do we want to replace one culture of fear with another?
Fear and paranoia are the foundations of the American society today, and any renewal must start at the ground level.
I agree with Rowan that the best quote today is: "I am a Jew and I am scared".
We don't want him to deny tomorrow that he is a Jew but continues the prevarication game under a different guise.
it would create a much more frightening stigma, that of criminal, psychopathic mass brainwashing, which would haunt the Jews forever.
this sentence could be straightened out a bit, because the h..t "stigma" repeated daily, IS the mass-manipulation and now it is becoming worn off, then it doesn't follow more "stigma" or "brainwashing", only some structures are crushing like the media, but not that people by nature are murderous, if they're not servants of the dark.. more interested in the truth, they'll become.
But neutrally said, if someone has been working for the departments of lies and manipulation, and they are bankrupt, too bad it means no job. Them wouldn't be believed anymore.
no fritz, what rowan is saying is that today's stigma against germans and christians and gentiles generally, would be replaced by another stigma, this time against jews, many of whom don't deserve it, and it would haunt them, just like christ-killer moniker.
i argue that the best way to proceed is to neuter their cabalistic power centres, like the fed, the international banking structures, imf, world bank, wto, broadcasting and media monopolies, entertainment stranglehold, judiciary, academic, legislative, etc. and put in place stringent safeguards against future amassing and abuse of power, especially jew-power.
what i wouldn't want to see is h-c becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
jews should realize that the longer this reform is delayed, the more they abuse the goys, the bigger the price they will collectively pay.
the fact that nothing is being done is either the proof of their stupidity or the fact that the evil manipulators are perfectly happy to sacrifice them if need be.
"I am a Jew and I am scared".
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle19045.htm
(from above)
Naomi Schalit, is afraid of the Christian movements in America, that church and state are bound together.. though she is forgetting that a mass of Christians is lead by zionist-first preachers like Haggee, she forgets the warmongering of the neoziocons for Iraq and Iran now, the starving of the Pals. Typically the Jew is a victim again instead of saying anything against her leaders.
They have build h.l.caust museums like temples, goverments and the UN are persecuting doubters and heretics. The h.l.caust is the only event of history that is not allowed to be investigated by science, and so is a religious dogma state-guaranteed - exactly what Ms.Schalit pretends to fear.
just now read your newest, lobro, 9:05, I understand all right, just that no one would listen to any one of us anyways perhaps.
also you mean, lobro, somethings have gone wrong in these societies, so that it was possible that the mentioned structures could infest them. That is a good point, also for the single persons, why they have been consuming entertainments and tv so naive and idle.
consider that the power of insidious, 24/7, subliminal persuasion that has so perverted and corrupted the Western (esp. American) mind has been applied in a very focused way to Jews over the past 1500 years.
In a way, they are like the African child soldiers, forced into committing atrocities in order to cement their allegiance to the priests.
I think that once you admit that what the jewish use of all the mass media - entertainment as well as news and current affairs - amounts to brainwashing, or even more to HYPNOSIS (which is as I understand it basically a form of visual fixation, as when the hordes watch cinema and TV) - it all seems supernatural, and almost all Muslim writers on the web in english tend to assume it IS supernatural. This can lead to the idea of the congenitally psychopathic elite, as with the Cassiopeans, because as I often say class solidarity seems uncanny to outsiders, it seems 'telepathic'.
Those Cassiopeans are lucky that their leader has such an impossible name to remember - Laura Knight Gjadjik or something on those lines.
Anyway, I refer to jewish consciousness as a 'class consciousness' because I think that is how the more moder westernised jews themselves perceive it - they see themselves as a sort of executive for global capitalism. This is why it is so important to revisit their collective decision to abandon socialism, in the 1930s.
In fact, if I only had the sort of access to the texts of early russian zionism that I need, I think I could roll the whole movie back to that point and make it go the other way.
obviously my definitions are different from Justin Raimondo's, according to which the Bush regime is 'socialist'.
"PSYOP should focus on support to military endeavors (exercises, deployments and operations) in non-permissive or semi-permissive environments (i.e. when adversaries are part of the equation). However, PSYOP forces and capabilities may be employed to support U.S. public diplomacy as part of approved theatre security cooperation guideline. In this case PSYOP personnel and equipment are not conducting a PSYOP mission, but rather are providing military support to public diplomacy."
http://
www.knowledgedrivenrevolu...OR_5_Limits.htm
Talking of which I have put another piece of expert disinfo planted by the zionists in a US defense publication on my blog.
Larissa on the other hand seems to put a lot of zionist propaganda on Raw Story, doesn't she?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
moc...l_01132008.html
"Rowan Berkeley": "the Jewish bankers that financed World War I and Bolshevism "
This well-known zarist and fascist lie doesn't become true, just because it's repeated. Krupp, Thyssen etc. were no jews, and their heirs aren't either. Krupp, Thyssen etc. together with Ludendorff were the instigators of that lie, and "Rowan Berkeley" is another agent for these and other aryan and racist big capitalists trying to blame their system's failure on the "Untermenschen" once again, the "solution" again being the well-known "end-solution", but this time to the "human problem", not just the "jewish". Guantanamo and the neutron bomb etc. is the way of
"people" (CIA scum) like mr. Berkeley. "Al Qaida" is their US propaganda theatre.
please give the source for this phrase you assert I used - presumably i wasn't chanting it as a mantra, it must have had some sort of context?
aha, I found ti further up the thread : OBAMA IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.. billionaire Pritzker family (Zionist Jews out of Chicago) own that nice BOY! Bulov. Iraqwar.ru
in other words the phrase you attribute to me is by BULOV
I think that once you admit that what the jewish use of all the mass media - entertainment as well as news and current affairs - amounts to brainwashing, or even more to HYPNOSIS (which is as I understand it basically a form of visual fixation, as when the hordes watch cinema and TV) - it all seems supernatural, and almost all Muslim writers on the web in english tend to assume it IS supernatural. This can lead to the idea of the congenitally psychopathic elite, as with the Cassiopeans, because as I often say class solidarity seems uncanny to outsiders, it seems 'telepathic'.
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 01.14.08 - 12:19 am |
English please.
Wishing Cal 'Happy Orthodox New Year'.
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The izzies are in a tizzy because the iranians want to flood the Tomb of Cyrus under the floodwaters of a new dam. Seems that Cyrus was a good persian guy back then (as in 'good for jews') and this planned action is clearly an insult to the israelis. Or something.
Iran Plans On Destroying Tomb of King Cyrus, Friend of The Jews
israelnationalnews.com via
http://www.libertyforum.org/show...sb=5&o=21&
part=
Happy New Year, Cal, all the best.
English please. Anonymous | 01.14.08 - 6:53 am | #
- what language do I appear to be writing in?
"jews should realize that the longer this reform is delayed, the more they abuse the goys, the bigger the price they will collectively pay." - This is just it and they will call it antisemitism when we call it justice. I don't see anyway to separate the sand from the salt without dissolving the salt. They trust their leaders, they don't trust us. They will follow them over the edge. These 'here come the christians' articles are just a way to round up the pack. The jews buy into the idea that it's the christian zionist who are responsible for the bad in israel, surely they are not to be blamed, after all they have always been for the underdog. They are liberal, progressive, tolerant. It's the christians, don't you see, who are to blame and they are becoming more powerful now...hence, I'm a jew and i'm scared.
Same story, different century.
2 solid posts:
Rowan Berkeley | 01.14.08 - 12:19 am |
and | 01.14.08 - 1:36 am |
I entirely agree.
To a wholly materialistic person, the ability to brainwash others represents the ultimate power, sort of materialistic equivalent to God's omnipotence.
yes, you are right Laurie, but the point I am hammering at is that without their goy helpers and sellouts, they would get nowhere, like a machine powered by hamsters.
If hamsters refuse to run inside their treadmills, the contraption stops.
Let them scream antisemitism, but I refuse to enter the cage and run.
In other words, we don't have to fight the Jews, we have to fight our brainwashed selves.
what language do I appear to be writing in?
Maybe Anonymous can teach you Hebrew, Rowan.
Be nice to him.
hypnosis is a very mysterious business. it shouldn't exist, and there is no respectable explanation of why it does exist. am i correct?
At the risk of sounding like a mutual admiration society, I agree with you that we have to 'fix' ourselves by breaking out of the brainwash paradigm. This is why i like Nietzsche. He encourages people to see things the way they are instead of the way we want them to be, if only everyone would play nice. Drawing in Rowan's ideas of hypnosis, we must understand what holds the surface up.
Do you mean hypnosis or subliminal suggestion? or are they the same?
i think so too, rowan.
i volunteered for a couple of tries in my student days and could barely suppress guffaws but others readily succumbed.
therefore, i believe that every successful hypnosis is actually self induced.
subliminal suggestion is different, like body language, etc., read at subconscious level but not registered consciously.
even if they were the same, I wouldnt use such distinct terms interchangably.
I am not even sure that the phrase "subliminal suggestion" is quite right as it stands.
So really I would say we have three topic here, laurie, hypnosis, suggestion, and 'the subliminal', whatever that is.
My own idea about hypnosis, and i don't mind if this turns out to be just one very narrow instance of it, is what I call "visual fixation", as when the hypnotist makes the subject stare at a swinging watch - or a cinema or TV screen?
According to me the visualising mind is distinct from the verbalising mind, they are if you like "independently programmable".
Maybe it has something to do with the way your brain is wired. In a college psychology class they brought in a hypnotist and some on the kids really went out. Never worked on me, but I wanted it to. The audio, visual thing may have something to do with genre. I really don't know anything about this so I'll just listen.
SUBLIMINAL, a term first used by A. H. Pierce of Harvard University for sensations beneath the threshold of consciousness, too feeble to be individually recognized. Myers extended the meaning to cover all that takes place beneath the threshold: sensations, thoughts, emotions which seldom emerge in conscious form.
I definitely don't mean genre - I mean the actual senses. In my view, the verbalising part of th emind is related primarily to the sense of hearing - the spoken word - but the printed word is treated in the same way even though if you like it is only vocalised "subliminally" - you may disagree that we "read out loud" even to this extent, but whether true or false it provides an example of what would be "subliminal" vocalisation if it occurs.
so, what I am saying is that when we read it comes to the same thing as when we listen. The part of the mind involved is the verbalising part.
however, when we watch film or TV, a completely different set of associations is being formed, in the visualising part of the mind, such as when for instance we always expect to see a girl smiling after we see a man buying a beer, or whatever.
it seems to me that if i try to search mentally for examples of "visual associations" along the lines of the man buying the beer and the girl smiling, I won't find them, because I am using the verbalising part of my mind to run the search. therefore, if I want to know what the visual associations that are operating in my visualising mind are, i have to experiment with images, not with words.
I buy that
there are people who keep the modern equivalent of "dream books" : market researchers, focus group organisers, motivational analysts, obscure people of no importance like that ...
burroughs' "towers open fire" is all about them, I shall post it again, this time on niqnaq, since naqniq is no more.
Why have any sound at all. It might be more interesting just to have images.
Then there's mesmerism.
'The Rational of mesmerism' by Brehon.
what happens when you ha ve both is certainly more complicated, i don't have a schematic for it, but I suppose it involves superimposing one conditioned reflex, guided by the spoken or printed word, on another one, guided by the association of images.
in "towers open fire" you see among other things a fantasy version of burroughs's "mayan codices" - these are not the real mayan codices but a symbol in burroughs's mind similar to egyptian hieroglyphics - they are composed of IMAGES but arranged like LETTERS IN WORDS
in fact, i think that is a good justification for experimenting with occultism. occult grimoires are more or less by definition composed of "IMAGES but arranged like LETTERS IN WORDS", so even if they have no inherent meaning whatever but are as innocent of content as rorschach blots, they still serve this paranormal purpose, of interfering with the separation between visual and verbal processing, which separation is fundamental to modern civilised brainwashed normality of thought and image.
Burroughs and Brion Gysin with their "cut-up" method (cut a text with scissors in maybe 4 stripes, from top down to bottom, and then arrange them differently) proposed this could help to un-learn the reactions to phrases we have learned, ..often surprising words appear or combinations.
But to learn silence is also a way.
Fritz, you missed the point - it isn't just "words" and "text". In fact as burroughs points out, all that gysin did was apply to "words" and "text" the techniques that had already been applied to images.
Interesting discussion. But doesn't the subliminal, or sub conscious sort of presuppose that there is a separation between the body and the soul? It's "supernatural" phenomenon?
not according to Sartre's analysis in Being and Nothingness : he establishes that the 'unconscious' is not really unconscious at all, but only the mind pretending, in 'bad faith', to be unconscious of itself.
This argument is correct in my view, and also this makes very good sense from an esoteric buddhist viewpoint.
I mean, if Freud could have had LSD, he would have agreed, too
dunno about that mechanism proposed by sartre ... a bit like saying that low IQ is consequence of a mind pretending to be stupid.
but maybe there is depth to that statement as well.
i think i'll just go and have a beer and see if any girls smile at me.
and i would hate to drop acid with freud, bad trip guaranteed, worse than mr bean.
"The most noticeable feature of the Grimoires is their utter futility."
- 1891, A. E. Waite, Occult Sciences 55
i think i'll just go and have a beer and see if any girls smile at me.
Has to be some subliminal urge driving that need/desire. no? Maybe the need to be unconsious. lol
When people turn off their grimoire tv, spell of conjuring-book broken, they'll recognize the stigma on the manipulators. But that's an old saying, one of the best descriptions of manipulators, was what Jesus said about the Pharisees in Matthew 23: woe you hippocrites, you close the door to heaven, you cant get in and those who want in, you don't let them in..
The stigma of the murder of Christ was put on them later, but is that all? The church persecuted heretics and witches, had a police state and destroyed cultures in South America. Because it is human and they also did enough good. Today churches are occupied with all that history at length. Even protestants wrote a "not anti-semitic" bible but that's a falsification.
So the basic question was, if the Jews had always been victims or had they in history build structures, detrimental to the main societies., and now claim to be scared and therefore have to behave like the guards of the gulag. But this aside, if the laws against hate, warmongering and pornography were properly applied on to the mass media, we wouldn't have to think about brainwashing.
i am usually quite conscious of urges, Juan.
Might as well call them "liminal".
circular argument Fritz, jews dictate the legislation through their congressional resources (it is entirely proper to regard congressmen as resources, there should (and maybe is) a futures market for them) to suit their interests (maximal and mandatory enslavement) and this legislation supports and enables their power structures, most of which are erected for purposes of mind control.
any successful approach to freedom is by avoiding entanglement with any part of the dragnet (and i consider most of christianity as part of it, pretty much in the clutches of talmudic sanhedrin).
The hard thing would be to go have a beer and have no girls smile at you.
ja, you're right, the devil in the circular argument. Also church people, though more sympathetic and not so materialistic, are in these TV administrations here with this propaganda about modern consumism and history.. probably thinking about "the guilt" - now that is different than in anglo countries of course, and also a chance, because once one finds out about the lies, the hypnosis is weaker. Only that it can take very long.
If i have time, I'd read Gustave LeBon about propaganda, and also there can be something like the collective unconscious, or how G.Jung calls it. that the propaganda is using. Another reason to stay away from crowds, the more from the dragnet, yes.
But the age of TV has had it's effects: Just to compare politicans of the 50s with today's, isn't it remarkable. today they dont seem to ever become grown ups, but their make up is wearing off fast, the effect of TV?
that's when guys cry in their beer, hp
what damn guilt? people that have overpowering need for guilt should check themselves into a whorehouse for a session with a dominatrix for a cheaper, healthier and esthetically superior experience.
That's difficult theme, but this guilt is the hidden message in movies, like maybe Schwindlers list. Already often especially protestant preachers were teaching somethingt like "the original sin" (Adam and Eve) to children. I don't know how widespread this problem was in christian history, but it was.
I think therefore it is outmost evil to 'teach' h.l.caust to childred, had it been or not, and it's the more astounding why this is allowed in America for example.
Swindler's List?
Sounds about right ...
Swindler's Lust by Public Enemy
Flav] Yeah back it up
[Chuck] Vultures of culture
A dollar a rhyme, but we barely get a dime
Uh-huh, check it out
[Chuck D]
If you don't own the master, then the master own you
Who you trust, from Swindler's Lust? (GEYEAH!)
From the back of the bus, neither one of us
control the fate of our soul, in Swindler's Lust
Hickory dickory dock
Hand in my pocket, rob me for my chocolate (eheheheh)
Mo' dollars, mo' cents, for the Big Six
Another million led to bled, claimin innocence
Is it any wonder why black folks goin under --
-- cause niggaz be sold in bundles
No pressure, tell me why they don't care
Rap and R&B pavin the streets of Bel-Air
From the sales of singers, no longer here
The bigger killer, get the bigger share (eheheheh)
Now the ones I attack, negroes got their back
No, eighty/twenty is a wack contract
Forever lack, the voice of real blacks
Stole rock'n'roll and ain't gave it back (yea yea)
Started off my defense, now they're the ones I defend against
who fell up into the tricks
"Fuck the _Fight the Power_ shit; get that Chuck D nigga fixed,
and keep him up out of the mix"
Well hell, tell em Chuck don't suck no dick
Be an ass, and that ass get kicked
Hand in my pocket, rob me for my chocolate
Watch em swindle yo' ass and turn a profit
If you don't own the master, then the master own you
Who you trust, from Swindler's Lust?
From the back of the bus, neither one of us
control the fate of our soul, in Swindler's Lust
They don't care about me, they don't care about you
They don't care about you and your crew
your family neighborhood and plus, heh,
they don't give a damn about us
[Flav] One thing about them, they like to exploit though
[Chuck] Vultures of culture
[Flav] They like to exploit little suckers
[Chuck] A dollar a rhyme -- while we barely get a dime...
[Chuck D]
Profit off the soul of black folk
Turn em into bitches, niggaz, and stupid ass jokes
Laugh with us? Or laughin at us? That's what I'm guessin
We in the Rutgers program with that question
They came in and sat at the feet (uh-huh)
of our ancient ancestors; they learned (yeah)
they took it back. They came back, then they imitated (right)
Once they got enough, they came back and destroyed
[Chuck D]
Laughin all the way to the bank; remember them own the banks
and them god damn tanks (god damn right)
Now what company do I thank? Ain't this a bitch
Heard they owned slaves, in a ship that sank
[Flavor Flav]
Aight aight aight aight yo yo
Where all the Louie's? Where my Louie's? Ehehe
[Chuck D]
If you don't own the master, then the master own you
Who you trust, from Swindler's Lust?
From the back of the bus, neither one of us
control the fate of our soul, in Swindler's Lust
This to the blues people in the Delta
This for everybody in the 50's that didn't, get their money
Little Richard gettin half of a penny
All of the super soul singers of the 60's
All the bands of the 70's on the outside lookin in
All the people that didn't make a DIME
off their session playin
And even the rappers in the 80's and 90's
still tryin to get paid, from what they put in, yeah
If you don't own the master, then the master own you
Who you trust, from Swindler's Lust?
From the back of the bus, neither one of us
control the fate of our soul, in Swindler's Lust
Hmm..
There must be people reading this who have some idea about what I called "market researchers, focus group organisers, motivational analysts" who own today's "dream books" - I mean, these are not secret, any more than the textbooks of any other profession are.
Mike Whitney in good form : 30 years of Reaganism has destroyed the country. It's eviscerated our industrial base, broken the social contract, crushed our unions, savaged our schools and infrastructure, and shifted the nation's wealth from the middle class to the upper 5%. Now that same multi-headed Hydra is devouring itself. Wages have stagnated, the dollar is nosediving, the banking system is paralyzed, and subprime poison is surging through the global system shuddering banks and businesses around the world. Bush's anemic stimulus package doesn't do anything to reverse this trend. It's like injecting a dying man with a massive dose of meth-amphetamine. It'll only rouse him long enough to know that he is slipping the mortal coil. What good does that do?
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle19071.htm
sylvia stolz got 3 1/2 years.
that's in germany of course. I put the story on my blog. The jewish nazi grauniad seems to think that the old illusions still work, rather amusingly becoming a sort of shadow of its own already laughable past, with comment is free essays starting with such hackneyed lines as
I believe passionately in the need for an Arts Council - but the way it operates is going to have to change radically following the McMaster report..
the english lower middle class female seems easily seduced by all this nannyism.
the real purpose of the Arts Council is to provide deserving artists - many of whom happen to be the sons and daughters of holocaust survivors or even victims - to indulge their artistic fantasies.
The Arts Council pays for the most entertaining speakers at the Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park. One of the funniest of them, a jewish guy called Martin, was once embarassed by a speaker who hackled him with this inconvenient truth. I felt sorry for Martin, who was there just making an honest living by entertaining the tourists. But on the other hand, this hidden state intervention in what supposedly is a spontaneous expression of free speech made me feel queasy. I wonder if some of the firiest muslim speakers aren't themselves on the Arts Council payroll. That would not be something new in the UK.
it's the "great and the good", otherwise known as the "friends of Lady Muck".
compare the jewish meaning of the word 'philanthropist'.
Huh?
in jewish usage, a 'philanthropist' is someone who contributes to jewish causes.
exclusively so.
What do they call a jewish someone who donates to non-jewish charities? (not the start of a joke).
They are alleged to exist, the motive being to take control so the charity doesn't stray from the reservation, so to speak. Arguably, large (jewish) donors to U.S. universities have huge control over the hiring & firing of staff. Norm F. is a case in point; the endowment of Mearsheimer's chair was also muttered to be maybe subject to second thoughts, though haven't heard if those will be followed through.
well, then that wouldn't count as philanthropy would it...
maybe it would count as a form of having to pay bribes to get the anti semites to refrain from harrassing one
jewish philantrophy takes 2 forms:
supporting talmud, and
bribing goys.
It's a remarkably damning thing, actually, that ALL the textbooks of jewish history that I have read, which are of course written in english, talk of bribery of officials, more or less at all times and in all places, as a regrettable necessity.
a bribe is an investment: you pay an official $50,000 to get $5 million worth of profits through betrayal of common good.
Too bad the jews can't get it free, look at all the vodka they gave to yeltsin, for what? only some $20-40 billion showing at the bottom line.
Abramovitch will at some point write a nostalgic-melancholy memoir titled something like My Crazy Life As A Russian, with graft mentioned with resigned regret of someone too civilized to make a big stink of it.
they bribe officials in order to cannibalize a nation, then pretend to be the victims of savages.
even the WAY the jewish historians deal with this issue reflects that corny pseudo 'left versus right, right versus left' game of theirs - the 'left' ones make more of a point that the people who had to be bribed were anti semites.
left sock puppet versus the right sock puppet ... only by expertly playing the deflection game can the centre survive through all the centuries.
This is why they are so sensitive to anyone identifying and pointing at this centre and would much prefer continuing with Punch and Judy racket while studiously ignoring Professor.
Gatekeeping is a vitally important component, some of the most talented agents are stationed at various intervals to assert traffic control.
Separating them from real rebels and black sheep is an almost impossible task.
the person at the absolute centre of such a thing - let us call him rothschild - would be rather featureless in a way, having 'overcome' all his partialities in pursuit of the Higher Good (power).
i know - I'm thinking of "Occult Technology of Power" again:
http://www.rexresearch.com/artic...es/
ocultech.htm
any person at the centre of jewish gravity would be a true atheist/materialist, something like kissinger, greenspan, chomsky or soros, a shrewd operator who doesn't froth at the mouth at the slightest provocation.
In other words, a george smiley type.
i think that hair-on-fire headcases like netanyahu, frum, podhoretz, pipes, feith, kristol or perle don't qualify - too loud and stupid to be of any real value other than a sideshow.
that is an interesting work there, OTP.
when something rings true, it doesn't matter whether the work in itself is authentically authored or fake, like The Protocols.
even if completely invented, the arguments are solid and hard to side-step.
let's see more ... (just out of curiosity, any idea of provenance, apart from 'occultech'?)
there is a passage in some Dostoevsky, maybe Bros Karamazov, where the character ruminates on the path to financial power.
He imagines the culmination, where he, like a Redshield, controls empires, yet preserves a humble appearance and travels incognito, rudely pushed out of way by lesser tycoons in a rail carriage, silently smirking on the true nature of things, were he to reveal himself, they would collapse on their knees and beg favours/absolution.
The true hard-on is in choosing complete discretion.
My name is lobro, the king of kings: look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
it strikes me that The Protocols and the New Testament are akin.
Both are works of considerable wisdom and uncertain provenance, only the axioms differ.
One posits an entirely materialistic universe and the other one an otherworldly, moral one, so they are naturally in christ-antichrist conflict.
could they have been written by the same hand?
and if so, which side is The Hand on?
at the first glance, Hand is a cynical materialist, having written NT ('render unto rotschild what is rotschild's') in order to placate the chickens into thinking there is life after kosher.
maybe, but maybe not.
maybe the whole point is to draw a clear line in the sand or a watershed, where 2 rivers flow into 2 different oceans.
Or maybe it's as simple as this is what they do.
lobro said,
Concerning the age of the Protocols and the New Testament.
"Could they have been written by the same hand?"
Scholars suggest the Proto's were written in the early nineteenth century.
The NT in the sixth century AD.
that is not what i was angling at, tigs.
by "Hand", i mean a secret idea or society pursuing a long term program.
its members come and go with each generation, yet it persists on its own, shedding them like cell replication and apoptopsis.
talmud is one example, catholic church, yet another, maybe secret societies like rosicrucians, priory of sion, etc, are others.
i am interested in the sexiness of power, what is it in itself that attracts seemingly rational men?
maybe a secret lament for the lost god ... as in You abdicated Your duty, went AWOL, were incompetent, so we must take up the task of absolute rule and Power in order to provide succour (there is one born every minute 
)) and guidance to Your lost flock.
this, again, has been explored by old fyodor in his grand inquisitor.
such penetrating intellect, way ahead of his time, raised questions greater than his ability to answer.
Much like the conclusion here:
The Big Brain Theory
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/1...gewanted=1&
_r=1
and about reincarnation
"people are not ready for this discussion" lol
everything is in the state of flux, with the exception that the Maple Leafs stink.
I think "The Occult Technology of Power" was actually written by the person who runs a-Albionic, a certain Lloyd Miller. His crowd are libertarians and ex-objectivists, I suspect.
Even so, an eminently sensible document describing an entirely plausible (the only one?) scenario.
It would be an interesting world if the tyranny of these finance capitalists were abolished.
From OTP:
Fortunately, we do not have a society of egoists. Money lords would be impossible in such a society as the mental spooks and rationalizations by which we characteristically manipulate and deceive would be a laughing stock Under such circumstances a policy of live and let live or true "laissez-faire" anarchy might be the only alternative. Certainly a hierarchical order would be difficult to maintain by force alone. However, in the current era, while minds are yet in the thrall of altruistic collectivistic, and divine moralistic spooks, the egoist's rational course is to utilize such spooks to control others.
well, I find the symmetrical treatment of 'Left' and 'Right' to be an excellent idea, but he doesn't practice it - he is sort of channeling murray rothbard, who is the man who wanted to privatise the courts and the police - rothbard was a sort of eccentric version of mises really - there is some quite enjoyable early stuff on the mises site, but I assure you that it is by no means "symmetrical as between 'Left' and 'Right'"!
aha - found the early rothbard stuff I had in mind - from the mid sixties!
http://www.mises.org/journals/le.../left-
right.asp
I’m writing a series of books about the themes of our past and ancient history. They suggest that some people are constantly trying to recreate the occult basis of the ancient civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, either for the good of humanity or for control.
Lemuria? First time I hear about that one.
privatizing police and courts aside (could he tongue-in-cheeking?), Rothbard seems like a plain speaker, e.g.,
It (a bank) can take the depositors' goods, the goods that it holds for safekeeping, and lend them out to people on the market. It can earn interest on these loans, and as long as only a small percentage of depositors ask to redeem their certificates at any one time, no one is the wiser. Or, alternatively, it can issue pseudo warehouse receipts for goods that are not there and lend these on the market. This is the more subtle practice. The pseudo receipts will be exchanged on the same basis as the true receipts, since there is no indication on their face whether they are legitimate or not. It should be clear that this practice is outright fraud.
The frauder, the better.
lobro, remember - allen greenspan was an ayn rand fan in his youth.
i mean, as the biluim put it in a song I can't make any sense of :
"nancy brandeis, lev atlantis ... "
they're all jewish ...
i think he popped out of the cesarean, looking just the way he does
I can't find anyone called "lev atlantis" on the web, so maybe this is just a good name waiting for its avatar.
there's lev leviev, maybe they mean him
The vedas describe a war between the ancient civilisations of Atlantis and Lemuria.
Brahmaastras and Narayananastra weapons.
The Drona Purva, from the Mahabharata war, describes these weapons vividly.
Rowan's 'death ray' is also incorporated.
i guess the finance capitalists are sort of money pimps, for a price, you can have her (100Gs) for a while, but then she goes back to me and I can rent her to another john.
meanwhile, that urge grows back in few days ...
(...) the surviving lemurs swam to the island of Madagascar, where they perch miserably in the trees awaiting the return of the days of glory ...
sorry, not to ridicule anyone (humbly beg pardon and all), but the image was irresistible until i publicly exorcised it.
besides, i prefer them to you-know-who to run the show.
does anyone recall that hitler had a plan named 'madagascar solution' that hollywood later renamed to 'final solution'?
he had an evil plan to relocate them and thus imperil lemurs' peaceful existence, their trees cut down, walls and razor wire everywhere ...
Lloyd Miller/a Albionics however,completely modified its conspiracy theory suppositions over
their history, if you check Project etc.,chronologically.
lobro,
"Its members come and go with each generation, yet it persists on its own, shedding them like cell replication and apoptopsis."
Cane kills Able because the "father" rejects Cane's offering. The Jewish God was responsible for this because he put enmity between the two. This is the "mindset" behind the Talmud, Protocol's, etc. It's Manichaeism. Dualism and moral relativism.
The top Jew (Yahweh) wouldn't accept Cane's honest humble offering. Thus the beginning of murder and the repressed desire to commit patricide. What a fucked up religion!
truly Tigs, Old Testament is a blueprint for egotistical attitudes, a Darwinian approach to ethics.
Looks like yahwa played the 2 bros according to 'left puppet - right puppet' game rules, employed by talmudists ever since.
With a god like that, who wouldn't be an atheist?
N Testament tried to correct this immoral wobble by having JC kick bankers out of the temple and thus earning their eternal hostility.
Didn't that Lloyd Miller document remark on the design similarity between banks and temples?
Render unto bankers what is bankers, and all that ...
People must make their free choice which set of underlying assumptions to build their temple on, I guess it depends on which parallel universe you're in.
Lloyd Miller/a Albionics however, completely modified its conspiracy theory suppositions over their history, if you check Project etc., chronologically.
Not that important, I accept that it is in a genre of Likely Fiction (whichever comes first in your mind, 'likely' or 'fiction').
Remove the dramatic content and the lectures by "profs" make all kinds of sense.
Don't take it as gospel that he is the real author, I just read something somewhere that suggested it, and I haven't found many other clues. You could ask him. The I says somewhere else that the writer-publisher (i.e., one and the same) was one of the founders of the michigan libertarians in the 1970s.
My problem with a-albionics is that there is nothing interesting on their website, it is a 100% sales tool.
lobro,
I don't know if you read religious books or not but you might be interested in an Allen Watts work titled, "Myth And Ritual In Christianity," 1954.
It should be required reading for all Catholics.
I was a Freshmen in high school at the time reading it on my own. While on a subway ride into Manhattan, A Hassidic Jew was sitting in front of me while I was reading standing up holding on to a handle rail. With the loud noise of the train I heard a voice speaking loudly "What! What is this "Myth and Ritual book your reading? Is all make believe! Is that what it's saying?"
All I could say, with the loud subway noise, was that it is not meant to be taken literally but was meant to participate in an existential dialog within our psyche.
HP, would also enjoy it because it often references the Hindu influence and symbol in (Hellenic) Christianty/Christiology.
I was very influenced by alan's masterwork "the book on the taboo against knowing who you are". I did have a sense even then though that he was an alcoholic, one could sort of feel it when one saw him live as I did once, a sort of trickster, showman, pseudo rascal guru undertone.
I actually may have read the same book at about the same time, since we seem to be of the same vintage.
I think my required reading had to do with Zen or something and that moreover, he caught my attention because of his respect for Jung.
Anyway, speaking of Christian symbolism and myth, there is another author that floats back from the memory well and that is Kerenyi -- let's look up the full name ... here
Essays on a Science of Mythology:
The Myth of the Divine Child and the Mysteries of Eleusis
C. G. Jung & C. Kerényi
Funny how i can't remember what happened 5 min ago but can recall such stuff.
Vat is dat book? Is all make belief?, lennon glasses shining and beard flapping up and down.
That must have been some funny encounter ... i actually find these guys charming in a cartoonish sense.
they would be a boon to humanity if we could keep them on the straight and narrow (whatever that would be, for such as them).
given that the kabbalistic types actually do practice necromancy ("getting in touch with their soul roots as they call it), and that this can result in even small boys lugging umpteen discarnate entities around with them, i suppose the only way to establish a 'straight and narrow' would be for everybody else to grasp the basic principles of necromancy for themselves, instead of letting the jews monopolise it.
these souls roots are very intersting actually, since they can be whatever the guru, the rebbe, whatever we should call him, claims them to be. Frequently - very frequently - these "miracle rabbis" tell the young students that these latter possess "souls from the root of" some biblical talmudic or kabbalistic sage, and therefor need special treatment so that the "root soul" can manifest. Obviously this is necromancy - these are supposed to be the souls of dead sages. It is actually getting more and more like Tibetan religion in this respect, since it is wildly competitive and there is no overall control of it.
I have actually seen them, once - I was buying something or other in a Woolworths here where there are a lot of hassidim, and this small boy came past me with his mother, and above his head i saw momentarily a sort of tree of souls, with the faces of old men peering out of it. the two of them saw me standing there with my mouth slightly open, and the mother looked very proud for a second, so she obviously knew what I was seeing.
holy mackerel! you should have told her that they were heads of well known nazis, an unter dem linden moment.
remember the talking carp? This sort of thing happens all the time.
Here then is the story, according to the two men, the only witnesses. Mr. Rosen, whose family owns the store, and Mr. Nivelo, who has worked at the shop for seven years, say that on Jan. 28 at 4 p.m. they were carving up carp. Mr. Nivelo, who is not Jewish, lifted a live carp out of a box of iced-down fish and was about to club it in the head. But the fish began speaking in Hebrew, according to the two men. Mr. Nivelo does not understand Hebrew, but the shock of a fish speaking any language, he said, forced him against the wall and down to the slimy wooden packing crates that cover the floor. He looked around to see if the voice had come from the slop sink, the other room or the shop's cat. Then he ran into the front of the store screaming, ''The fish is talking!'' and pulled Mr. Rosen away from the phone. ''I screamed, 'It's the devil! The devil is here!' '' he recalled. ''But Zalmen said to me, 'You crazy, you a meshugeneh.' '' But Mr. Rosen said that when he approached the fish he heard it uttering warnings and commands in Hebrew. ''It said 'Tzaruch shemirah' and 'Hasof bah,' '' he said, ''which essentially means that everyone needs to account for themselves because the end is near.'' The fish commanded Mr. Rosen to pray and to study the Torah and identified itself as the soul of a local Hasidic man who died last year, childless. The man often bought carp at the shop for the Sabbath meals of poorer village residents. Mr. Rosen panicked and tried to kill the fish with a machete-size knife. But the fish bucked so wildly that Mr. Rosen wound up cutting his own thumb and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. The fish flopped off the counter and back into the carp box and was butchered by Mr. Nivelo and sold.
holy talking mackerel!
I go snorkeling on occasion and hear all kinds of underwater noises. Now I know it's Hebrew.
1. Here is my problem with conceptualizing this: everything about Jew power (how it is coveted, constructed, gained, maintained and enlarged) speaks of materialism, i.e., get it while you can, there is nothing beyond, a spiritual myopia.
2. Materialism = atheism, no?
3. many of these Jews seem genuinely religious, or at least subscribe to superstitious belief in unseen powers that take interest in human (Jew) affairs.
Am I wrong in positing equality in step #2?
It sounds to me like basic ancestor worship. Which I see nothing wrong with except that I'd be called a white racist if i did it. It's simply revering your past and who you are and what you are. I bet those hassidim NEVER see non-jews as part of their tree, so how realistic is it? The best way to get in touch with who you are is to BE who you are...and let the chips fall.
I think the carp was just his guilty conscious speaking...sorta like the dead mobster "Pussy" speaking in the form of a carp to Tony Saprano.
well, pussy talks, we know that much.
um, sorry, to return to your question, lobro - i think that one could imagine cultures, like literally ultra-orthodox jews or tibetans, in which reincarnation and the peregrination of souls and spirits are just part of th enatural spiritual ecology, without that being a contradiction in terms.
LOL, i shall return!
you mean sort of like changing cars every few years whenever they go to rust ... i am willing to give every theory a chance so long as it is internally consistent.
But that is a different beast from laurie's ancestor worship.
In fact, it wouldn't make sense for a peregrinating Jew to reenter as a non-jew, unless he was a self-hater, like Americans buying Toyotas (?)
I'd hate to have my soul-root tree in plain sight to everyone, with all the chimps hanging out.
this is why you get the neo sabbatians - their idea is that you have to enveigle yourself into non jewish circles to find the jewish souls that have been abandoned there by mistake or perhaps through being reincarnated as nonjews as a sort of karmic punishment for something.
on pain of being a masochist (neat pun, eh?), I enjoy my punishment.
maybe 6 million murderees migrated into gentiles and thus H-C tale became so acceptable to wider public.
Too bad they couldn't take their shoes with them, they could have settled for prada or something.
maybe I have that wrong. maybe the theory is that the descendents of the original sabbatians (and frankists) may not even know that they come of crypto jewish stock - that makes more sense.
at any rate, given the kind regard jews have for their physical safety, i would say that this theory failed to gain wider acceptance among the intended audience.
well, again look at the tibetans - it's only the most dedicated practitioners who can achieve transmigration. but the belief in their ability to do so is formative for the whole society.
Transmigration is not a choice or an option, unless of course you say/think the right thing at the time of death of this temporary material body.
As in the 'Gita,''the soul changes bodies as the body changes clothes.'
This stuff really isn't complicated or deeply intellectual at all. And for the right reason. So anyone, of any caste or position can achieve liberation from transmigration.
The ultimate goal of human life.
yes, but for obvious psychological reasons, few achieve the necessary mental detachment and concentration.
the situation with these kabbalist rabbis though is that they tell their pupils that they, the pupils, possess as their souls sparks from the soul root of elijah or whoever, and the boys then develop a sort of schizoid secondary and call it that.
or indeed it may become inhabited by some actual discarnate entity, not the spirit of elijah or whoever but a ghoul, anything you happen to believe in that could take advantage of the boys' suggestible states.
Necromancy (Greek νεκρομαντία, nekromantía) is a form of divination in which the practitioner seeks to summon "operative spirits" or "spirits of divination", for multiple reasons, from spiritual protection to wisdom. The word necromancy derives from the Greek νεκρός (nekrós), "dead", and μαντεία (manteía),
However, since the Renaissance, necromancy has come to be associated more broadly with black magic and demon-summoning in general, sometimes losing its earlier, more specialized meaning. By popular etymology, nekromantia became nigromancy "black arts",
"divination"....Early necromancy is likely related to shamanism, which calls upon spirits such as the ghosts of ancestors. Classical necromancers addressed the dead in "a mixture of high-pitch squeaking and low droning", comparable to the trance-state mutterings of shamans.[1
The hassidim don't have a monopoly on it.
I didnt say they did - I explicitly compared them to the Tibetans!
i suppose the only way to establish a 'straight and narrow' would be for everybody else to grasp the basic principles of necromancy for themselves, instead of letting the jews monopolise it. - this is why i thought you did
well, as far as the western mass culture is concerned, the jews do monopolise it, precisely by exploiting people like the tibetans
in fact, that is the funny thing about them - I have jumped from the ultra orthodox who actually practice this stuff in one great leap to the jewish publishers and publicists and parasites who exploit the tibetans and so on for their own prestige and profit and also to rip off their ideas.
and at the end of THAT process, you get a THIRD jewish type comes along and synthesises the pop psychology, the eclectic occultism, and the yiddishkeit of his own millionaire bosses - and writes a book about JEWISH TANTRA ---
it has to be
shmuley
how can anyone choose to be called shmuley? it is a sort of puking sound in the mouth, not a name.
sorry, ducked out for a bit (serial espresso abuse), checking in on what I missed:
(...) or indeed it may become inhabited by some actual discarnate entity, not the spirit of elijah or whoever but a ghoul (...)
You're on the right track there, I fear, I see ghouls in their eyes more often than not (Chertoff will surely dispute that one).
Shmuley is an entirely appropriate name under those circumstances.
i have in mind the deeply sickening mr boteach.
This is why I'm suspicious of touchie, feelie sorta philosophies. They seem to pray on the gullible because those are the sheeple who will listen. Here is one of Shmuey (sounds like yiddish for smelly) books. Notice Chopra's endorsement. I thought he seemed to come from nowhere and make a big splash all of a sudden and now I know. Just another example of the jews pushing multiculturalism.
In 2006, Chopra launched Virgin Comics LLC alongside his son, Gotham Chopra, and Richard Branson, famed entrepreneur and thrill-seeker. The aim of the company is to promote and examine Southeast Asian themes and culture through the use of the traditional comic book medium. [9] Deepak co-authored 'Ask the Kabala' with Mike 'Zappy' Zapolin and Alys Yablon in 2006, which is a set of 22 cards, each one representing a story or character from the Old Testament and a life lesson based on that story from a Kabalistic perspective.
Shmuley Boteach and Uri Geller. Confessions of a Psychic and a Rabbi. (Foreword by Deepak Chopra) Element Books Ltd (March 2000) ISBN 1862047243
Branson, WTF? We are all just being played like fiddles.
let's continue to pursue this 'antisemitic' mother lode:
could it be that normal (as in human, humane, kindly) looking Jews are but failed ghouls?
And the successful ones are promoted to positions of power.
That would explain a lot, maybe everything, their inability to feel shame, utter insensitivity to others, lack of appreciation for truth ...
The problem is that could apply to the goys as well. Branson...remember when right after 9/11 and that cute little blond number with the 3 or 4 young child, whose husband died in the plane that the passengers took over from the hijackers, Branson wanted to date her, but she had the good sense to refuse. Do you guys remember that?
as a tribe, they form an antithesis to tibetans, a kind of distorted image reflected off some weird surface, one transmigrates in search of light, truth, freedom and the other one strives ever tighter bondage to some controlling, selfish power.
maybe that explains why so many seek refuge in tibetan brand, people like leo cohen and rich alpert (also known as baba ram das - i once knew him personally and called him baba rum raisin, we didn't have a mojo at all).
lack of mojo doesn't necessarily condemn him, maybe it's just bad chem is all.
No, i don't recall the branson episode but wouldn't put it past him, he is a creepy sort underneath the esthetically enhanced veneer.
Maybe having access to 3-4 kids sweetened the deal for him ...
and al gore is another one (presumably goy) that evokes similar reflux ...
and clintons with faces made of ripe roquefort, omg, they must all be sabbatians, dialing 911, "hello, is sal there? we need your help"
It's so true. There are people like those named above, that just by looking at them makes my skin crawl.
wouldn't it be funny if the polarity of the world was best explained in necromantic terms?
which wooden stakes are supposed to be the most effective?
It is impossible for them to remain in the presence of true spiritual essence.
Whether in sight or sound.
As lobro correctly stated; they are perverted reflections.
Wonder where all the legends, myths and truths of demons, rakshasas, vampires and all the rest arose?
i think we may have stumbled upon a poorly explored dimension ... follow your inner chupacabra ...
although Rowan must have sensed this some time ago, right?
this new polarity sounds attractive in the occam's razor sort of way, dispenses with much of seemingly extraneous stuff.
If it hasn't been specified here, A/Albionics first theory was that the entire world was a chess game between Roman Catholic conspiracy versus British Empire
conspiracy to see who could create a one world government first.
World Jewry was an integral,but junior partner of the B.E.--all others seemed consigned to long-term bit players.
Wonder where all the legends, myths and truths of demons, rakshasas, vampires and all the rest arose? - my guess is from guilt which sorta goes along with lobro's chupacabra.
Ken Hoop | 01.17.08 - 4:02 pm - well ken, that sounds a bit conspiratorial to me.
Jews as partners, junior or otherwise? dream on in hasbara-color, Ken.
If Brits ever made that mistake, it cost them dearly as they now see.
Wonder why Blair converted to RC; either Spirulina's kabbala classes were full to the tits or he is looking for a reasonably priced absolution from conspiring to kill 1.5 million.
What's that about guilt, laurie, whose guilt, of what?
Like some lonely white broad diddling herself and now the vampire knocks on the window pane? I recommend sealed glass.
lobro that's really nasty. I was referring to guilt everyone carries, that's what I thought you meant by chupacabra, or sorta meant. Why did you take it personally? I don't expect anyone to agree with what I think, it's just what I think. And what exactly have I said that's been so offensive?
If I have to sensor myself so that grown ups feelings aren't hurt than this isn't the place for me. I'm white, I'm a broad, but I'm not lonely. I recommend you check your own demons, I suspect they have something to do with being lonely and unhappy.
i didn't have you in mind laurie, surely you don't feel guilty about anything, do you?
in fact, you regularly ridicule the guilt concept ... whew, my way of sweet talking is a bit more suave than that.
btw, after more than 20 years of marriage, i am perfectly able to be alone but not lonely for stretches at time, without lashing out.
so, a slight paraphrase, i am white, i am not a broad, i am not lonely and tip of the hat to the unjustly and unintentionally outraged white broad - beg pardon ma'am.
Well that's better...but something inside of me still thinks a F*ck U is in order. Anyway, I've got you beat by 8 years on the marriage front and I have no guilt, hahaha...
That isn't of course to say I shouldn't have...
I was referring to guilt everyone carries
It seems that right off the bat, "everyone" excludes you and myself, but if the urge cannot be denied, unburden yourself.
Bear in mind that nowadays if a woman say FU, my tail starts wagging hopefully. Not like the old days ...
Anyway, in the race to the window, i hope to beat the vampire.
i luv u lobr,...platonic sense of course, of course.
Oh my, when I see what I wrote, it looks like the wine went to my head. The luv is intentional, the lobr isn't, i do know how to spell your moniker and the double 'of course' is intentional. So that's clear.
lobro is a tad maenichean again--the brits were decadent allowing the Jews to help finish the job. miller/a albionics I believe modified it's original British Empire theme when it became too stilted in imbuing the Empire with 18th Century-degree power in post WW2 conditions.
I'm laughing in my beer. Metaphorically, of course.
Rowan, lobro, hp, children are more likely to have spirits around them. I see them around kids of every culture, not just Jewish. You may also have seen the child's past lives, mirrored.
Funny, splendiferous coincidence, but I've been writing a small article on Angels, Spirits, Demons and Djinns.
Another point of interest to me would be the fine line between such spiritual practices and mental illness.
(Command Angels and you end up with Demons; and the connection between vampires, spirit suckers and chupacabras though on another note I once was married to a direct descendant of Count Dracula, in a nice way, and many many years ago of course.
I've seen Bon oracle practitioners and Tibetan Lamas, Huna Shamans and Native elders with their totem animals, and each had his or her own strength, and of course you know there are many other valid and equally powerful traditions.
It's a pity that Europeans put such a lot of emphasis on various grimoires and Jewish mysticism to the exclusion of other threads but that's ok. If could help you in your pursuit of kabala I'd suggest that you figure out the alpha-numeric mnemonic devices they use to control those states.
I personally find that too throat chakraish, but perhaps you were a rabbi in your previous life, and so I would understand.
But if I could also ask those interested to look at a Sufi perspective at http://www.bible.ca/islam/librar...n/Bio/
part5.htm
" was taken to Benares to my maternal grandfather who was a mystic. He perceiving my interest in charms and magical practices, one day in an affectionate manner gave me the advice to aspire not to be an Amil (one who practices charms) but to be a Kamil (perfect). He explained to me that a mystic who is satisfied to remain an Amil belongs to a very low degree of mysticism, but a Kamil belongs to that high stage of it where magic and charms count as nothing, for he attains the true knowledge of God and, living in close fellowship with Him, surpasses in dignity all earthly glories, even those of kings and angels"
The wine must have gone to my head too, b/c when I read the first post I noticed nothing out of ordinary.
Such is the power of Chateau Lobr.
i don't think i am ready for mysticism, still digesting my heaping plate of skepticism (towards just about anything).
kabbala can wait.
It isn't possible to "figure out the alpha-numeric mnemonic devices they use to control those states", because like all other forms of occultism, the texts here are paralogical - they never follow logical schemes. Magic in fact requires breaches of logic as one of its psychological conditions, I would say.
Since magic is really a form of controlled derangement, the texts have to reflect that, in fact they have to actively bring that about - and the way they do it is by subverting your expectations that some sort of sense should be deducible from them rationally.
I mean really that authentic magical texts are somewhat like surrealist artworks. This is why Dali's return to catholicism killed the surrealist movement.
What I said about controlled chaos would apply here, rabbi 
and my point is that kabalists miss the point, but good luck to those who wish to study it.
And that rituals based on blood sacrifice are ultimately material in nature, and miss the other end of the spectrum, which is spirit.
Today, I'll be doing some work with Dragons and Phoenixes.
lobro, scepticism is fine, so long as you have a child's sense of wonder and curiousity as well.
crowley maintained that in this aeon, semen had taken the place of blood as magical menstruum (note that this term implies menstrual blood, not blood shed by violent 'sacrifice', in any case).
Funny how the sky god religions see menstrual blood (or semen)as taking away from spiritual practices.
I use ritual cleanliness myself, but the exchange of bodily fluids is also, cool.
Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 01.18.08 - 12:14 am |- now you're talking sense.
The problem I see with this mysticism is not that it doesn't exist or have value, but it allows sooo many charlatans and snake charmers to wheedle their way into people's lives with sweet talk and mystery and impose their will over their victims. They are just selling "feel good"
People have come to expect happiness out of life...why? What deceiver promised that to us? People should expect life to be difficult and then they wouldn't feel like they are missing something. When something good did happen, they would really feel it.
not blood shed by violent 'sacrifice' - of course, he was afraid to get the Sh*t knocked out of him. Ho cus f'n po cus
i do have that sense, Man, and in fact value is sufficiently to admit ignorance rather than deluded certainty of dogmatic stricture.
this attitude brought me a lot of curled lip confrontations over the years.
Since magic is really a form of controlled derangement (...)
now you're talking ... i suspect 'controlled derangement' is a tool with much wider applications these days.
i prefer free derangement.
well, laurie, i think that gets us into the territory of another jewish enfant terrible - freud the fraud.
lobro | 01.17.08 - 11:07 pm
most atheists will tell you, epistemological skeptics are closet
believers. Seriously.
I mean the trained atheist.
I don't mean your average atheist-on-the-street or in the foxhole.
"Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" reveal why I am not a Constitutionalist. Yockey said pure Montesquieu escapism.
Well there are four and four only iron clad 100% guarantees. And they're all bad.
somehow ken you never quite seem to me to make sense. can you be less telegraphic?
laurie---hp,perhaps. do you remember people complaining that Michael Parks mumbled his words on "Then Came Bronson?"
Ain't no perhaps about it Ken.
well, call me a closet believer, whatever that means, if it pleases you Ken, it doesn't bother me a bit, at the end of the day I yam what I yam.
As i said, if something makes sense based on observables (whatever apparatus is used for observation), i am a buyer.
And i am by no means hiding in a closet since neither faith nor lack of it are something one should be ashamed of.
The only shame is a mind closed to reason.
" Origins are forever hidden from us, and a historical viewpoint is interested in the development of the process, not in the mysterious beginning of the process. This beginning, as set forth by scientific mythology, and by religious mythology, has only an historical interest to our age. What we note is that once these world-pictures were actual and living
Yockey in Imperium. This is not satisfactory to atheists who deny both the "mystery" and the assumption that epistemology is
inadequate.
A purely western infantile conclusion.
ever heard of charvakas?
not western.
the only things are deny are those that based on presented evidence don't have the ring of plausibility about them, h-c being a glaring example, in fact, it is the only religion that i reject out of hand.
replace the 1st instance of "are" with "that I".
show me da way to go home ... i am tired and i wanna go to bed
Ken, Charvaka is infantile also.
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