Obama wouldn't be a serious candidate unless he was a friend of the shitty little country. But assuming he does have a microcosm of independence from the shitty little country, if he was elected following a breakdown of their electronic voting and general election rigging machinations, he would be duly assassinated. If they can kill 3000 people in broad daylight on live TV, they can easily kill one man.
I share your apparent dislike of the pathetic Amy Winehouse, one of their creatures pushing their drug culture, along with others like Pete Doherty and Kate Moss, who looks more weird every time I see her latest propaganda photo.
And Israel's 60 anniversary has been conspicuously hushed up. No world rejoicing for this criminal enterprise. Gangsters have to keep quiet about the spoils of their crimes unless they want the public to start asking difficult questions, such as what right has Israel got to exist at all on someone else's land.
"Russian-American" - a nice euphemism!
zymph, if you're right about this here:
"...Real American interests are to cooperate with Iran..."
... Then maybe something serious IS going on behind the curtains.
This was Les Visible's comment back in April. Just over a month a go it seemed... well, kosher:
"I may be going out on a limb here but it seems to me that the main goal of the neo-con psychopaths in PNAC was and is Iran. Now it goes without saying that PNAC is dominated by dual national, Israeli/Americans and that the whole putsch of the organization is to benefit the interests of Israel..."
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.c...oney-
river.html
Now, not so. Is the War in Heaven moving in mysterious ways?
Consider another high-ranking sailor just got sent to the showers like Admiral Fallon before him. The PNAC-attack on non-Iran-war-groupies seems to be unfolding with MORE vigor, not less.
Likewise no threat from the citizens contra the Bushreich has materialized. Too many people working two jobs and still losing their houses means not much activism, and some of us suspect the subprime bear trap was arranged with this little side effect in mind.
So what gives?
Are there REALLY American elites on my side? And the side of sanity and good global citizenship besides?
Maybe, but the biggest threats I ever heard about are the quiet ones, the ones that become public only later, sometimes MUCH later.
Sabotage is happening in America and it's being directed at various activities. Maybe Homeland Security and FEMA and NSA/ATF/DEA et al cannot be killed outright but the nation still has lots of sugar for lots of GS gastanks and what with gas prices going up for Police State operatives just like the rest of us... (not to mention replacing all them engines.)
GWEN towers and cable lines go down for no reason. Strange stuff. Stuff that's starting to add up.
The revolution is silent sabotage. Everywhere. Nowhere. Can't organize a political movement without Government harassment? Don't. Just splice some cables. Make some lights go out. Adopt a bridge: Help it fall. I hear things; we all do. How intense is it getting? Your local paper will never say.
Studies since the 90s have wondered what would happen when the inevitable came: The cost of living finally rises higher than US citizens can afford to pay. The studies (ie, Ford Foundation, 1994) were low-key, sparse.
Now their all over the damn place and in headless-chicken hysterics.
My guess is worth nothing, considering I've been irritably aware for a long time that the US is heading for revolution no matter what else comes first. But here's my guess anyway:
The Powers That Be are scared shitless. The economy is tanking LOTS faster than they anticipated and when it's kneecapped to the point not even Fox News can happy-face it off the table, Iran will be the least of their worries.
Maybe they re
NF: I have no idea what happened to that last paragraph. Not important. Too long anyway! Happy Midweek to us all. 
"The revolution is silent sabotage. Everywhere. Nowhere. Can't organize a political movement without Government harassment? Don't. Just splice some cables. Make some lights go out. Adopt a bridge: Help it fall."
Franz | 05.14.08 - 5:18 am | #
Hi Franz,
Which cable do I splice? And how do I go about collapsing a bridge? And how do I stir up the populace to give me a hand? Write a letter to my local paper advocating Revolution?
I love what you say, Franz . . . but you must guard against wishful thinking and fantasy.
Can you see the news headline:
"Sixty Million Convicted of Malicious Damage! Lights out in Eighty Cities! Nation's Water Supply Contaminated! Hospitals Overrun! Universal Panic! President says, You Little People Win, We'll stop Fighting Wars for the Jews!"
May 14, 2008
Obama vs. The Lobby
No matter how much he grovels, it's never enough
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?
a...articleid=12834
On a more serious note: what can we do to extricate ourselves from this perilous situation? The answer is: very little except agitate. We must wait for historical forces to supervene. Things change only when there is a concatenation of events that favour change and make it inevitable.
What produced the French Revolution, an event that completely overturned the ancien regime? A parlous, rockbottom, things-can't-get-worse situation combined with the emergence of a few remarkable men. In other words, two factors are necessary for change: (1) The time must be ripe, and (2) Remarkable men must emerge.
We see both these factors at the fore in India's fight for Independence. The time for granting India its Independence had come for the simple reason that the British Empire was on its knees after WW2, and could no longer sustain the burden of policing India. As for the remarkable man who helped to bring about India's Independence, it was Mahatma Gandhi.
In order to end the Jewish stranglehold on America and Europe, what will be needed, first of all, is the emergence of a truly remarkable man. He will have to have the status and charisma of Gandhi in order to lead the masses in a concerted campaign of passive resistance against their tyrannical rulers.
Passive resistance means the refusal to vote, since there is no one worth voting for. It is the refusal to pay taxes. It is the refusal to cooperate with the police. It is the refusal to go on working for slavemasters, i.e., organized general strikes must be arranged.
Right now it would need someone with the status of a Pope or ex-President Carter to play the part of Gandhi in bringing about the longed-for change. Neither of these two men will do. They are too old, too tame, too lacking in charisma.
What is the answer? The answer is: to wait. Wait patiently. Ripeness is all.
"Real American interests are to cooperate with Iran" - yes, absolutely.
From Xmph link to the Asia Times: The Saudis, enraged by what was happened in Beirut, realized that Iran - and the Syrians - had taken the upper hand in Beirut. The Saudis don't need the americans to tell them if Iran becomes the number one power in the ME, the house of Saud's days are numbered.
I'm a bit suspicious of this by Nasrallah ""If they told us to come take over, we would say 'no thank you'." Mahathir always denied he wanted to rule malaysia but he did for twenty-two years. As Nasrallah's supporters argue he is a pragmatic leader, and a cunning statesman who excels in psychological warfare.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/? a...articleid=12834
US taxpayer | 05.14.08 - 6:20 am | #
"It will be interesting to see if American racists who would never vote for a black man will vote for Obama in order to avoid the stark horror of being forced to fight More Wars For The Jews."
Xymphora
Is Obama the man the world is waiting for? If the leopard can change his spots once he springs from the cage, the answer is MAYBE!
In other words, first Obama must be elected. Then he must ungrovel and do a volte-face . . . and fix the Ancient Enemy once and for all.
It is an amazing election: if American racists can do the right thing, which would have a long-term massive effect on racial attitudes in the United States (not to mention elsewhere), they could avoid the disaster of More Wars For The Jews. Otherwise, the United States is completely fucked.
Wrong. With Obama as pres THEY will get whatever wars they want. The only massive effect on attitudes will be the naive white people who finally realize that even with an affirmative action president, the racial dialogue will continue to be a one way conversation that consists of "open your wallet and say your sorry whitey". Minority demands will simply escalate with their black massa in charge. The only racial resolution liberals and respectable conservatives can agree on is the slow grinding destruction of everything white. This won't change regardless of who mediates the racial conversation at this point.
Xymph did get one thing right, America is fucked, regardless of which puppet is chosen. This fact will remain as long as Americans continue to watch and believe the mainstream media which reinforces every destructive force currently at play in their crumbling society. TV is mental AIDS.
Let's just keep in mind, none of this revolutionary stuff happens without a lot of blood. Also keep in mind Animal Farm. The animals thought they were going to be free under the pigs, the pigs told them so. And also the reign of terror came after the french revolution.
http://hubriticanomaly.blogspot....er-
picture.html
excerpt:
Robert Fisk: Lebanon descends into chaos as rival leaders order general strike
There is a persistent rumour in Beirut that the Israelis were about to stage such an operation against the Hizbollah-controlled southern suburbs of Beirut on 28 April but that it was cancelled for equally mysterious reasons.
AND
The Middle East firestorm was to have started on April 25 (author: Wayne Madsen Report,)
Israel's Mossad planned an April 25 assassination, likely by its favorite method, a massive car bomb, of Lebanese Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. Because the assassination would have triggered the "perfect storm" for the outbreak of war in Lebanon, with the involvement of Israel, the United States, Syria, and Iran, an official in Olmert's office leaked the assassination plan. When it became apparent that there was a leak, Mossad scuttled the entire operation.
The plan was immediately known by the CIA and Hezbollah. It is known that retired CIA officer and contractor Roland Carnaby, a Lebanese-American, had close contact with all of Lebanon's various factions. On April 29, four days after the planned assassination of Nasrallah by Mossad, Carnaby was killed in broad daylight by Houston police. WMR previously reported that Carnaby had successfully penetrated a Mossad ring active in the Houston area.
Normally I would hesitate to link to much of what Mr Madsen prints, however this time I feel he may have stumbled onto something ignored by the Mainstream Media. For instance if you search the New York Times looking for articles about Roland Carnaby what you get is a message saying:
Your search for Roland Carnaby in all fields returned 0 results.
Madsen says April 25th, Fisky says April 28th. Neither are, of course, as trustworthy as the New York Times /snark
Nice to have you back with us, Xymphora.
To me it looks like the Hezb were conned into reacting militarily so that attention can now be focused on 'dealing' with that 'problem'.
Possibly false rumour was spread about so the Hezb were on full alert for attack. Then Jumblatt threatens to make moves on the communications network which it is hoped will bring the Hezb onto the streets to be filmed and shown around the world. Then the vampires can stand and point at the big bad Hezbullah
more here:
http://hubriticanomaly.blogspot....er-
picture.html
Is Obama the man the world is waiting for? If the leopard can change his spots once he springs from the cage, the answer is MAYBE!
Xanadu | 05.14.08 - 7:24 am | #
I retract that. Obama is not the man. Gandhi would never have grovelled in the first place, nor would he have been capable of lying in order to get into power only to do a volte-face.
Kosher meth: what's Amy Winehouse going to do for her supply now?
maybe changing her surname to WinoGrad
Hubris | Homepage | 05.14.08 - 7:33 am | #
Fisk is close to the Hariris; I'd trust Franklin Lamb before Fisk.
Obama's very unelectability is his attraction to the WFTJews advocates. If the Dems really wanted to win, all they had to do was put up a Conservative looking white man (wouldn't even need to be Anglo-White) who didn't say much, but instead they gave us a contest between an already tainted woman and a wet-behind-the-ears "Apparently Black" man. They don't intend to win. American Democracy is a complete, utter sham. If the candidates are shitty enough you don't even need the Diebold Factor.
I thought Franklin Lamb said something coded the other day on Counterpunch, how you could never find Robert Fisk when you wanted him.
Paul | 05.14.08 - 8:38 am | #
Correct. This is why Edwards, the only electable Democrat, was shot down.
Re Kosher Meth:
So 300 people get arrested for producing meth on an industrial scale out of 697 believed to have violated federal laws in a single Kosher Meat Plant and it does not make it to the news?
Do you need any further proof that the Meat Packer Lobby has total dominance over America's public mind?
14 May is the anniversary of the nakba. For a glimpse of the future:
http://electronicintifada.net/
v2...ticle9533.shtml
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/...lan-in-lebanon/
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/...ab-nationalism/
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/...ize-the-crisis/
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/...ebanese-crisis/
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/...ed-information/
A deadly miscalculation in Lebanon
Sami Moubayed (May 13, '0
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Mid...t/
JE14Ak03.html
These are the best a most accurate or closest looks into the matter of Lebanon, I also recommed this reading:
How Hezbollah defeated Israel
By
Mark Perry and
Alastair Crooke
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/oth.../
hezbollah.html
BTW. I tried twice to subscribe to the newsletter but failed.
5- "though they've rarely or never experienced it. It shapes their attitude toward Israel as the only refuge for Jews, and makes them less willing to hear criticisms of it than most Israelis are. It seems to me irrational and I wish I understood it better."
a disease implanted deeply into the culture to become the religion and spread to all their communities to all the generations.
"I thought Franklin Lamb said something coded the other day on Counterpunch, how you could never find Robert Fisk when you wanted him."
Tony Lawless | 05.14.08 - 8:58 am |
read the same. in the same article lamb praised michael young of the 'daily star'. young cant be trusted. he is a neokhan. maybe a jewkhan?
i was curious about both and emailed lamb. havent received a reply yet.
in the same hot dog, get kosher meth and kosher fingers.
a good deal.
bless these rabbis.
5. Israel's 60th has turned into a PR disaster.
LOL
How could it be anything else?
Given the choices, it would be a bit weird if the 60th Anniversary celebration of an unmitigated disaster turned out to be a resounding success, would it not?
If Dirty Harry was a real person he'd tell Israel "You're a legend in your own mind."
Unfortunately, Harry isn't a real person so he won't be telling Israel anything. But then again, since Israel isn't a real country, maybe he will. Anything's possible in an imaginary country.
Actually, it tickles one's fancy to recall that ten years ago a country founded on nothing more substantial than lies, apartheid, genocide and crocodile tears celebrated its Golden Anniversary.
(All that glitters isn't gold)
Where's the (kosher) beef?
but i thought that all the meth was kosher by default, surely there is no other sort.
made in kosher slaughterhouse to bring you into the kosher slaughterhouse.
i checked one video of winehouse, just to see what the racket is all about, and she did look like a stunned, glassy eyed cow, swaying unsteadily like the walking demonstration of the wages of talmud.
she should sue the swiss banks where kosher billions are deposited.
scary
Q: What is the difference between waiting and trying?
A: America is a disaster waiting to happen. Israel is a disaster trying to happen.
I really enjoyed your spirited rant, Franz.
If and when cruise missiles start reigning down on Tehran is when the revolution starts in earnest.
And I'm quite sure it will be more than a few lights going out when oil reaches $200 a barrel(or more) and the average middle class American can't work or feed his/her family.
I often wish I had more testicular fortitude to start now. I rationalize my weakness with my concern for family and loved ones.
That goes out the window when a war with Iran begins. Though I suppose they are anticipating that with the 6 concentration camps FEMA have set up throughout the United States.
Yes, the signs are definitely there...
when the conc camps start filling with miltary families, friends and relatives and mutinous soldiers start fragging officers in the streets, it is game on.
i don't see how a military coup can be avoided in the near future, they brought it on themselves.
diseasing minds for solidarity, insanity, and hate.
"A couple of decades ago, it all started with the Holocaust Remembrance Day, about a week after Passover (all Israeli public holidays follow the Jewish calendar, which is otherwise used only for religious purposes). This is no longer the case: the weeks before that are an ever more popular time for Jewish pilgrimage to Poland, where Israeli teenagers, a year or two before their military service, are taken to a series of concentration camps, destroyed Jewish communities, and other sites of memory. These journeys at least eight days long earn the blessing of the state and are regulated by the Ministry of Education: an official goal is "to boost national feelings." The ministry also demands that all the young pilgrims, even the secular ones, consume only kosher food flown from Israel and served soaked and lukewarm in Polish hostels. Parents, however, have to pay the entire costs themselves, about $1,500 per child, which makes it a privilege of the middle class and above. This makes sense, of course. The middle class has to be persuaded ideologically; the obedience of the poor is secured by more violent means.
I happened to be at the airport when a group returned from such a journey last April: scores of their schoolmates were taken to the terminal to greet them, drumming, dancing, and yelling "the People of Israel live." One had the impression they were welcoming a group of Holocaust survivors."
ran hacohen at antiwar
"The real Holocaust survivors, by the way, do not earn that much attention, nor public investment: out of 80,000 survivors still alive in Israel, one third live in poverty. Some of those elderly people even emigrate back to Germany, where financial aid to survivors is much more generous a march of the living." ran hacohen, from same article as above
they have served their purpose and no longer of any use - toilet paper. and their deposited savings during ww2 was stolen by the state of the jews.
One had the impression they were welcoming a group of Holocaust survivors.
But they did come back alive from a trip to Auschwitz, lucky for them the gas chamber malfunctioned, time to file for the reparation vouchers.
stevieb, lobro, Franz
What percentage of Americans do you suppose understand what the Zios have done to the USA? 2%? .0002%?
"Khan Younis / PNN Israeli forces destroyed green houses, farms, fruit trees and land in the southern Gaza Strips Khan Younis area throughout the night.
Mayor Najjar said that the bulldozers, which withdrew this morning, washed away nearly 30 acres of greenhouses and 200 acres planted with olive trees and fruit, five poultry farms, in addition to dozens of acres planted with wheat, barley and other crops."
after visits to ww2 sites combined with tales by our elders, educators, and by our rabbis we become afraid. the jewish way to combat our collective, inbred existential fear is to destroy all other life forms.
we forgot the salt.
moshe, get lots of salt.
these folks are so baked it is beyond belief
well, maybe i am lucky, but in my neck of the woods, as soon as j-word is heard, meaningful looks, nods and winks come out, especially from Americans.
Boston "729" party may be happening sooner than expected.
"Do you need any further proof that the Meat Packer Lobby has total dominance over America's public mind?"
that was a good one!!!
I think it's good that the neoconvicts are sliding the blame for the fiasco over onto the Pentagon, thinking perhaps the Pentagon won't be welcoming them back anytime soon.
where Israel is hated most
http://www.counterpunch.org/
lamb...mb04252008.html
It has been a fact that, since at least 1982, perhaps the harshest and
most frustrated American critics of Israel are those who work in
Langley, Virginia, at CIA Headquarters and especially those across the
14th Street Bridge from the White House, on the banks of the Potomac
River, who work at the Pentagon.
Harshest because, as fed up Pentagon employees have long protested,
they work with Israel closely on weapons supply matters and they know
first hand how consistently the US is lied to and cheated by Israeli
weapons procurement officials. Frustrated because they are prohibited
by law, politics and the ever watching Israel lobby from disclosing
the regular chicanery they witness to the public.
729? 3 to the 6th power? I'm missing something here ...
protecting and promoting American interests is against the law, that's why it is recognized by the Congress as the Noahide law, a light to the gentiles.
Unfortunately, the dumb public does not understand nor do they see the light, but don't worry, the kind, patient jews are working to enlighten us, such as Anne Frank Lewis who never tires of repeating that the duty of American president is to obey Israeli people.
I think we will be hearing that loud and clear at the next inauguration, translated into English for the benefit of uncomprehending beastly masses.
jew barcode smekh, your kabbala refresher is overdue.
Well, I suppose we now have the diamond anniversary for this wedding of hell and hell. Time to shell out again - but hopefully not too many times more.
this "birthday celebration" is a personal humiliation for all yanks, Z's beasts of burden
A. American (white I presume) racists should vote for Obama? Only if they want to take a 20-30% that he will dramatically "cut off" the Lobby. More ideologically bound, and/or those who have been burned by compromise in the past might choose to go with Bob Barr or Ralph Nader, to name two.
B.Iran should opt for the power-sharing agreement in the form which Xymph seems to favor or find acceptable? How about letting the "hard-liners" use every means to effectualize something even more favorable to Iran, and that which would entail dramatic and transparent defeat for the Empire?
>>> Fisk is close to the Hariris; I'd trust Franklin Lamb before Fisk.
US taxpayer | 05.14.08 - 8:05 am | #
I thought it was Jumblatt he was close to
Ken Hoop | 05.14.08 - 3:53 pm | #
Ken, McCain has to be stopped at any price. He will finish us off if he gets in there.
I thought Franklin Lamb said something coded the other day on Counterpunch, how you could never find Robert Fisk when you wanted him.
Tony Lawless | 05.14.08 - 8:58 am | #
yes I saw that. I haven't yet decided if the comment was 'throwaway' or not. I suppose if Lamb went to the bother of mentioning it then it may have some significance but most likely he meant Fisk was busy working
Is Tony LAWLESS your real name?
US taxpayer | 05.14.08 - 12:14 pm
Several % more, the "Christian Zionists" run interference for them,
Ditto but later:
McCain is a wild card because he never has been a team player.Perhaps his policy would be neocon-oriented but erratic, inchoate and disjointed
enough to hasten finishing the Empire off.
Wouldn't consider voting for McCain and if Nader continues run it means Obama isn't viable. Nader supported Edwards by the way, never Obama. Why not, when Kucinich threw his support
to Obama?
I think Lamb may be a propagandist because he doesn't question the mentality of the jihadists.
Most al Qaeda partisans take seriously the Islamic injunction against fighting fellow Muslims unless in self-defense while others feel apostates are fair game. think about this. They are not seeing all people as equal. How does this differ from the jews? Did the nazis make exceptions for the german-americans?
These young people generally appear very modest, clean cut, polite, smart and serious; one imagines, rather like the image of Mohammad Atta to his neighbors in Hamburg. They are less interested in talking about what they say is 'minor jihad' i.e. violently fighting their enemies and prefer to discuss "greater jihad" which is an introspective concept of individual self improvement, becoming a better person by pure thoughts, good deeds, study, and following the teachings of the Koran.
In some ways they remind one of Maoists during the Chinese Cultural Revolution period, sitting around discussing the concept of "the new Maoist man", the guidance found in the little Red Book, engaging in self-criticism, inner struggle trying to follow the correct path in life, and the Islamic imperative of self improvement. This is different from the western perception of them as being religious fanatics in the Hagee Christian Zionist mold. why because Lamb says so? Let's not forget that the Moaist rebels killed 70 million people. It is possible that in order to really fight you have to be a fanatic, fair enough, but than you can't condemn the other side for doing the same thing and having their 'vision'.
My point in this is just to look critically at everything and not be suckered because we like what we hear.
That was from Taxes link
http://www.counterpunch.org/
lamb...mb04252008.html
Laurie | 05.14.08 - 4:40 pm | #
Yes, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They're agin the folks we're agin.
So were the russians. (no offense smekh). This isn't a binary game.
I wouldn't lift a finger to get the most aggressively anti-Christian Moslem out of America at this particular point.
Of course not because you want to see america broken apart to racial/religious enclaves. I don't.
People should be able to live the way and with whom they want to. I don't want the government to mandate either way. I'm against forced segregation as much as I'm against forced desegregation.
WHO RULES AMERICA?
US taxpayer | 05.14.08 - 2:20 pm | #
US Taxes, Laurie, Lobro, Xeno, & anyone else willing to address the question:
During an argument on Israel Radio on 3 October 2001 between Ariel Sharon and Shimon Peres, Peres said that Israel's policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us".
To this Sharon replied:
"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL. WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."
I wonder if there is a general consensus on this website that the above is true? It is ironical to think that anyone who agreed with Sharon that America was controlled by the Jews would at once be stigmatized as anti-Semitic. American Jewry would prefer us all to adopt Chomsky's position: namely, that Israel is simply America's "attack dog in the Middle East" (his own words) or, to change the metaphor, America's "cat's paw".
What do people on this website think? Does the dog wag the tail or the tail the dog?
Personally, I would like to believe that there are secret anti-Zionist forces in America that are really in control; or that, if not in control just yet, are capable of reversing the Jewish stranglehold on America. The regular arrest of so many Jewish spies, and now the raid on the kosher meatpacking plant, seems to indicate that American Jewry is not as omnipotent as Ariel Sharon appeared to think.
Question: Is there any chance that anti-Zionist forces within the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, and the US military can wrest control from the Jews and restore some sanity to America? Or is it too late? Have the Jews won?
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Xanadu | 05.14.08 - 5:21 pm | #
There is massive resistance, Xdu, but at the middle bureaucratic level and in the Pentagon and CIA; the upper level bureaucracy and political appointees are controlled by the spawn of Satan. If McCain wins there is no hope.
I too would be interested to see this quote confirmed; the statement was made on radio, it sounds like Sharon, but I don't know for certain that the quote is accurate.
Thanks, Taxes. You have been most helpful, as always. I am hoping to get some input from others on this question too.
Does anyone believe that there are parallels between the state America is in now and the state Germany was in before Hitler took over?
If asked myself, I would hazard a guess and say America right now is in a far worse position.
Laurie | 05.14.08 - 5:13 pm
Let Moslems contribute to the sapping of the Empire from within in their modest way, at 2% or so of the population. Clear enough?
Is there any chance that anti-Zionist forces can wrest control from the Jews and restore some sanity to America?
It's a mistake, a potentially disastrous mistake, to regard "the Jews" as the enemy, since if confronted with serious hostility on the part of us goyim, they might emigrate to Palestine. Better to try to enlist them in our cause by tirelessly speaking the truth and presenting the evidence showing that Zionism is pure evil. The better spirits among them are already aware of this, but are kept in line by their instinctive tribal solidarity, their 'asabiya, to use Ibn Khaldun's term. The hope is that that 'asabiya can ultimately be undermined.
"Question: Is there any chance that anti-Zionist forces within the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, and the US military can wrest control from the Jews and restore some sanity to America? Or is it too late? Have the Jews won?"
It seems to me that we have been sold out by our politicians, both Rep and Dem. They know something dramatic is coming, we do too but we just don't know what it is yet, they may know. Why have they, in the past 8 years, all climbed aboard the Religion Train, that just doesn't make much sense in USA culture.
Maybe it's the internet that scared the hell out of them, they were all too busy doing the things that politicians do (paying for top-dollar hookers, hanging around men's bathrooms, diddling pages, and kissing Lobbyist's asses to get the money) and we on-line types figured out something, that the internet made us smarter than them and wise to their ways. We may have frightened them and they are getting back at us with draconian measures via 911 and the new laws and the trashing of the Constition. I had no idea of the truth before, I read the paper and watched TV until about 1998, then I got online. And, we may all be doing ourselves a disservice by using pseudonyms, we've become "nobodies" and "nobodies" don't count. Of course the Government knows who we are if they want to. For all I know "USTaxpayer" might just live up the street from me and we might then share a drink or two, but it ain't gonna happen while we're all still "nobodies".
sorry Xanadu, I have no answer to your very valid question.
"2% or so of the population" - There is another group that is only 2% or so of the population. Capisca? Our goals are not the same.
traducteur | 05.14.08 - 6:29 pm - would you have any objection to the jews moving to palestine if they became the type of citizen you hope them to become here? Because if they did, then I don't see a problem with them being anywhere they choose.
Bill W, see you at the pub at 8 pm.
Massive resistance was an overstatement; as Dan Ellsberg says, bureaucrats have the talent of knowing as much as is expedient. There is nonetheless a definite truculence and resentment towards the neocons and the governing clique.
Life in official Washington is based knowing that the Israel Lobby is running the show, while pretending not to.
On the whole I'd rather be in New Hampshire.
Capisca
does she mean "capisce"?
parallels with Germany? difficult - but 1929 banking crash, millions unemployed, economic ruined is similar. Will they come up with some "New Deal" Clinton, Obama? Probably can't. - But the NS party grew up in struggle with the Bolshevic threat during the republic of Weimar, that is different. There was no TV before 1933, although degenerated art and newspapers, that deviated from the truth, fabricated a "willful perversion of facts".
Good points, Bill W. It seems as though Michael Ledeen's "faster please" has gone straight from his mouth to Satan's ear. Kabbalistic magic?
Thanks USTaxpayer, to be honest, I'd rather be in Florida, it gets damn cold here.
I just read that Edwards will endorse Obama so that should wrap it all up, hope so.
We are making some progress. Look how many neocon supporters have fallen by the wayside- we're rid of Guilliani and hopefully Clinton now. I think Obama bowed down too low though, just once I'd like to see one of them say, "Israel is just one of many hundreds of countries on this earth and will be accorded the same level of attention as all the rest".
Laurie | 05.14.08 - 6:56 pm | #
Given equality before the law regardless of race, and assuming that Palestinians were allowed to move back there too, absolutely no problem.
Take it up with Babel Fish. Were you born an asshole or do you just try hard?
Presente
io capisca
tu capisca
lui, lei,egli capisca
noi capiamo
voi capiate
loro, Loro, essi capiscano
traducteur | 05.14.08 - 7:50 pm - cool trad.
Laurie | 05.14.08 - 8:15 pm - just so the fool doesn't miss it. This one's for you taxes.
That's the present subjunctive, sweetheart. Doesn't really work in the context. You want present indicative:
io capisco
tu capisci
Lei capisce etc.
capisce, stronza?
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle19919.htm
Dwight Eisenhower, when he was running for re-election in 1956 and simultaneously trying to contain growing instability in the Middle East as a result of tensions between Israel and its neighbors, wrote a letter to an adviser as follows:
Of course, nothing in the region would be so difficult to solve except for the underlying cause of the unrest and dissension that exists there -- that is, the Arab-Israel quarrel. This quarrel seems to have no limit in either intensity or in scope. Everybody in the Moslem and Jewish worlds is affected by it. It is so intense that the second any action is taken against one Arab state, by an outsider, all the other Arab and Moslem states seem to regard it as a Jewish plot and react violently. All this complicates the situation enormously.
As we began to uncover evidence that something was building up in Israel, we demanded pledges from Ben-Gurion that he would keep the peace. We realized that he might think he could take advantage of this country because of the approaching election and because of the importance that so many politicians in the past have attached to our Jewish vote. I gave strict orders to the State Department that they should inform Israel that we would handle our affairs exactly as though we didn't have a Jew in America. The welfare and best interests of our own country were to be the sole criteria on which we operated.
Back then, telling Israel that "the welfare and best interests of our own country were to be the sole criteria on which we operated" -- and that "we would handle our affairs exactly as though we didn't have a Jew in America" -- was likely an uncontroversial sentiment. Today, if an American politician said anything remotely like that -- that when formulating foreign policy in the Middle East, American interests would take precedence over Israel's -- how many seconds would elapse before the full-scale and permanent destruction of their political career was complete?
Laurie, you and Hoop should get a masochists' club going. If you get tired of looking silly around here you can always go to RB's blog and have him ban your comments.
Ahhh noooo cupcake, I wanted the congiunivo form of the irregular verb capire and that's what i wrote. You should review the irregular verbs.
I may not agree with every thing Ken says but he is heads and shoulder above you in understanding what is happening in the world. So why don't you go to RB's blog. Or are you afraid of him? He didn't seem to have too much time for you when he was here.
from "the truth will set you free":
JULY 11--A newly discovered diary of Harry S Truman indicates that the former president may have had a strongly negative opinion of Jews. In the diary, which includes 42 entries written in 1947, Truman recounts a conversation he had with Henry Morgenthau, the Secretary of the Treasury, who had phoned to discuss the fate of Jewish refugees. In criticizing the approach of Morgenthau, who was Jewish, Truman wrote in a July 21 passage, "The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog." The diary, found earlier this year by a researcher at the Truman Library in Independence, Missouri, was released yesterday by the National Archives"
"I wanted the congiunivo form of the irregular verb capire and that's what i wrote."
Because you wanted it, it's supposed to make sense?
Confine yourself to the language you know, Laurie, whatever language that might be.
Woman resents any attempt to require from her that her thoughts should be
logical. She may be regarded as logically insane. --Weininger
First, let me state that Amy Winehouse should be free to ingest whatever she likes, as long as it does not adversely affect anyone else.
Of course, that begs the question of why our jails are full of people who are guilty of even less than that...and please don't write back here stating that we have a War on Drugs. You'll give me the runs...
Now, in regards to the kosher meth lab...well, I'm frankly surprised. Doesn't this make you think...what's going on at OTHER kosher processing plants?
Hmmm...
#4, Why Clinton Lost: The Reason Nobody is Talking About:
she's a hag.
she's a war hag.
a lying war hag.
a greedy lying war hag.
trailer park trash war hag.
which ever way the wind blows hag.
president hag?
then there is the possibility of:
president insane.
lord, cant you sorta guide a couple of your soft ball size hailstones? make em basket ball size.
lord, while you consider this request, im hittin the hay.
Three Israelis and four Ukrainians were among the detainees held on charges of being in the country illegally, Counts said. Officials are expected to bring criminal charges against some of the detainees as well, most of whom are from Guatemala and Mexico.
Genack said he was told by the plant's supervising rabbi that two foreign rabbis working at the plant had failed to renew their work permits when they expired a few weeks ago. He described the issue as a "technical" violation and insisted the two rabbis had not been detained.
Much of the information the government collected appears to have come from former employees of Agriprocessors who were detained by police on unrelated charges. Sources related similar stories of presenting fraudulent documents and Social Security numbers when seeking employment with the company.
Several said they were aware of undocumented workers employed at the plant that were paid by supervisors in cash.
The affidavit says the government has probable cause to believe that an Agriprocessors supervisor assisted workers in acquiring fake documents in exchange for a cut of the proceeds.
Federal investigators provided documentation for a former Agriprocessors employee, identified in the affidavit as Source #7, for the purpose of gaining employment at the plant. Once hired, the source reported on rabbis who insulted the workers and threw meat at them.
In one alleged instance, a "Hasidic Jew" duct-taped a worker's eyes and then hit him with a meat hook, "apparently not causing serious injuries."
Somehow I think only the Guatemalans and Mexicans will face charges or deportation ...
All this from
http://
mauricepinay.blogspot.com...ufacturing.html
You've got to love Sarko and Kouchmerde:
Excerpt of Olmert's interview on Radio France International re bilateral relations with France.
Question : Le prιsident Nicolas Sarkozy va venir en visite dEtat le mois prochain. On parle dune lune de miel des relations franco-israιliennes
.
Ehud Olmert : Ce nest pas seulement une lune de miel, cest une histoire damour ! Je pense que Nicolas Sarkozy est un trθs bon ami dIsraλl. Je lapprιcie personnellement. Avant mκme quil soit ιlu prιsident, il ma dit quil voulait absolument venir en Israλl. Quand il a ιtι ιlu, il ma rιpιtι quil voulait absolument venir. Maintenant, il vient cιlιbrer avec nous le 60e anniversaire. La France a toujours ιtι un grand ami dIsraλl et du peuple juif. Les juifs se sont ιpanouis en France, ils ont ιtι de toutes les grandes rιalisations, ils caractιrisent la culture franηaise, les intellectuels, la technologie
Nous avons toujours eu de bonnes relations avec la France. Parfois, il y a eu quelques tensions, et cela a ιtι un peu difficile. Dieu merci, ces relations sont maintenant ce quelles doivent κtre avec un prιsident ami, un gouvernement ami, un peuple ami, et nous espιrons qu'elles continueront ΰ se dιvelopper dans ce sens.
http://www.rfi.fr/actufr/
article...ticle_66124.asp
histoire damour
Olmert-Sarko love story...maybe this is what Dundee J#* had in mind re. the wonders of "a deep relationship between two men."
This love that dare not speak its name has transformed France from the antisemitic country Sharon warned jews to flee a few years ago into a honeymoon destination. Un prιsident ami, et tout de suite, un gouvernement ami, un peuple ami!
We have now reached the fundamental difference between the Jew and the woman. Neither believe in themselves; but the woman believes in others, in her husband, her lover, or her children, or in love itself; she has a centre of gravity, although it is outside her own being. The Jew believes in nothing, within him or without him. --Weininger
This same Chabad community in Iowa was featured in National Geographic as an example of ancient jewish traditions flourishing in the Middle West:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.co.../0506/feature7/
Chabad like Opus Dei never wants for publicity.
"If McCain wins there is no hope."
US taxpayer | 05.14.08 - 5:25 pm | #
US Taxes,
Since even at a conservative estimate McCain has a 50% chance of becoming President, it follows from your remark that the American people are now playing Russian roulette with their future. In fact, it's worse than Russian roulette. In playing Russian roulette, you stand only one chance in six of blowing your brains out; here it's one chance in two.
Given that (a) McCain stands MORE than 50% chance of winning (maybe as much as 80-90%), and that (b) even if he lost, Clinton/Obama are almost as bad (not exactly Joan of Arcs), it follows that AMERICA NOW FACES ALMOST TOTAL DISASTER.
There are distinct parallels here with pre-Nazi Germany. There's only one difference. America is in a far worse position.
I will pursue this topic in a future post.
Gardez-le bien, Sarko-le-youpin
PRE-NAZI GERMANY AND AMERICA TODAY: PARALLELS (1)
"Parallels with Germany? difficult - but 1929 banking crash, millions unemployed, economic ruined is SIMILAR . . . [But] there was no TV before 1933, although degenerated art and newspapers, that deviated from the truth, fabricated a "willful perversion of facts."
Fritz | 05.14.08 - 6:59 pm | #
Fritz, I'm glad you see there are similarities between pre-Nazi Germany and contemporary America. Now I was not meaning to suggest that the parallels extend to ALL areas of life still less am I suggesting that contemporary America is a MIRROR IMAGE of pre-Nazi Germany!
No way. I am merely making the uncontroversial statement that America today, just like Germany was in the 1920-30s, is OVERSHADOWED BY A MALIGN AND PERVASIVE JEWISH INFLUENCE.
Who can deny that the Jews are widely seen as a threat to contemporary America? That whenever a new scandal erupts, everyone looks for the Jew under the bed. It's almost a joke to think that the newest game in town is "Cherchez le Juif".
The Jews had reached a predominant position in Weimar Germany, invading all areas of public life, such that their influence over society was deeply resented by ordinary Germans. It was not a question of jealousy. It was simply a question that Jewish influence was always malign, that it always had a demoralising effect on the people. In always undermined the foundations of society and unleashed anarchy, immorality and widespread misery.
PRE-NAZI GERMANY AND AMERICA TODAY (2)
Here are two citations from Hitler's Mein Kampf. They demonstrate not only how Hitler viewed the Jews surrounding him in 1920s Germany, but how Jews were perceived in general by Hitler's contemporaries:
Hitler, on first encountering the Viennese Jew: When thus for the first time I recognised the Jew as the cold-hearted, shameless, and calculating director of this revolting VICE TRAFFIC in the scum of the big city, a cold shudder ran down my back. (Ralph Manheim translation, p.55).
Fast forward to contemporary America. What group of life-defilers runs the "vice traffic" in America almost singlehandedly today? No prizes for guessing correctly.
Here's Hitler again, gnawing at the same bone: Was there any form of FILTH or profligacy, particularly in cultural life, without at least ONE JEW involved in it? If you cut even cautiously into such an abscess, you found, like a maggot in a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden lighta JEWBOY! (p. 53).
Manheim uses the inflammmatory word "kike"; I have toned this down to the more emollient "Jewboy."
The parallels are unmistakable. The Germans welcomed Hitler with open arms because they saw him as their "rescuer". He got Germany back on its feet. The forces against him, however, were too strong. International Jewry had declared war upon him from their snug bastions in the United States and Britain.
We all know the sequel: Hitler's crushing defeat and subsequent demonization. And the same people who destroyed Germany then have their eyes now on America's jugular vein.
America had better watch out.
Obiter dictum: Just because I have played a few pranks on this website, it is wrong to doubt my sincerity. My sense of humour has made people here suspicious of me. So sad.
Yes Taxes, we all know what Otto thinks, you've been quoting him for the last six months. I anxiously await the reading of your next book.
Regarding the meth plant: "Sources in the warrant application also said they saw what appeared to be underage workers at the plant." - no surprise here.
http://www.startribune.com/18897349.html
I'm not seeing any reaction on La Raza sites yet. It will be interesting to see how they respond if at all.
PRE-NAZI GERMANY AND AMERICA TODAY (3)
We all know that international bankers wield irresistible power. These bankers are almost without exception Jewish. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers hold the world today in the palm of their hands especially in view of the fact that they now control the Federal Reserve.
Here's what international Jewry did to 1920s Germany, and what they plan to do to America if America refuses to toe the line and fight more Wars for the Jews helping to construct a Greater Israel extending from the Nile to the Euphrates:
As a result of massive enforced financial reparations after WW1, by 1923 the situation in Germany had become critical. Inflation became the only way out for the government. Inflation on a truly astronomical scale.
Printing presses were soon printing money around the clock. In 1921, in the lull before the storm, the exchange rate had been 75 marks to the dollar. By 1924 this had skyrocketed to FIVE TRILLION MARKS to the dollar! Ten wheelbarrows of banknotes to buy a loaf of bread.
This destroyed the German middle classes in Germany and made life a living hell for the poor. Whatever savings frugal Germans had managed to build up in their respectable Jew-run banks had been vaporized into virtually ZERO.
(See Koestler, 'The God that Failed').
Could this be the fate awaiting America?
Suspicion is healthy Xanadu, but the reason I didn't answer your question is that I wanted to think about it. Having thought about it, I just don't have an answer. Things will change but the timing is anyone's guess.
Just because I have played a few pranks on this website, it is wrong to doubt my sincerity. My sense of humour has made people here suspicious of me. So sad.
Xanadu | 05.15.08 - 6:30 am | #
Suspicion is healthy Xanadu, but the reason I didn't answer your question is that I wanted to think about it.
Laurie | 05.15.08 - 7:10 am | #
See there Bitch, nobody wants to answer your fucking questions. Why don't you just bugger off like you promised and creep back under your stone. I've had enough of your anti-Semitic ravings. This site is crawling with homophobic neonazi trash and Dundee Joe has just about had it up to the neck. I'm only on this fucking site 'cos I wanna see how low it can sink and how sick it can get. Excuse me while I puke into my handkerchief.
The US looks more like Poland shortly before the Chmielnicki Uprising than like interbellum Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Chm...lnicki_Uprising
Is the tide turning or what?
Gary Hart equates Neoconvicts with Nazis, goes on about McCain and how he's not really stupid, just stuck with Bush:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
ga...a_b_101823.html
"Hart: McCain forced to ally with neocons
The Huffington Post: Gary Hart
Historians of early 21st century American politics will remark the degree to which radical forces, usually called neoconservatives, perverted language as recommended by the National Socialist Party in 1930s Germany. Continue to demonize liberals, blame them for all social and economic problems, and soon enough no one will be willing to admit to being a liberal."
This story is much, much bigger than stopping a rogue meth producer in the Middle West.
This is documentary proof that Chabad is an international criminal network.
Unfortunately the emollient Xdu's comparison has the ring of truth.
US taxpayer | 05.15.08 - 7:59 am | #
Thank God I have one supporter on this site. Bisous.
Everyone here likes you but Dundee, Xdu, and once the dating service comes through for him he'll cheer up too.
Didn't take this guy long to get to the Postville story--
http://judicial-inc.biz/postville.htm
Can Ken find any flaws in the story?
although he is moderate as always, Bundespresident Koehler of the regime in Germany is getting nervous:
German president: world financial markets are 'monster'
http://www.earthtimes.org/articl...re-
monster.html
Hamburg - Germany's president, Horst Koehler, has described the world financial markets as a "monster" that must be tamed. The German weekly magazine Stern quoted Koehler, who has first-hand experience of the banking industry as a former chief of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), as calling for the banks to admit the error of their ways.
"We came close to a collapse of the world financial markets," he said of the crisis that has played out in recent months.
"The markets have developed into a monster that has to be tamed," he said, adding that this must be obvious to anyone in the financial industry who thinks responsibly.
The bankers had evidently invented so many financial derivatives that they no longer understood themselves what effects these had.
"The excessive complexity of financial products and the opportunities to set up enormous leveraged deals with the tiniest amount of equity have caused the monster to grow," said Koehler. "It hardly has any relationship any more to the real economy."
On top of that "some financial managers are receiving bizarrely excessive remuneration," he said. The financial industry had made a fool of itself but he had yet to hear "a clearly audible mea culpa" as an admission of error.
Also from Xeno's link, there is still hope of someday getting a true number of holocaust deaths: The accounts of contemporaneous Jewish chroniclers of the events tended to emphasize large casualty figures, but they have been reevaluated downwards at the end the 20th century, when modern historiographic methods, particularly from the realm of historical demography, became more widely adopted. the numbers were 100,000-500,000 reevaluated to 18,000-20,000by a modern jewish estimate and by an ukraniane americans between 6,000-14,000.
Finacial Times: (to add)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d1f940...?
nclick_check=1
Mr Kφhler singled out excessive executive pay, the focus of much public resentment against top managers, as a factor in the subprime crisis and accused bankers of acting irresponsibly.
The complexity of financial products and the possibility to carry out huge leveraged trades with little [of their] own capital have allowed the monster to grow
also responsible [is] the grotesquely high compensation of individual finance managers.
Bankers have made huge mistakes, Mr Kφhler told Stern magazine in an interview to be published on Thursday. Referring to the subprime crisis, he said: I am still waiting for a clear, audible mea culpa. The only good thing about this crisis is that it has made clear to any thinking, responsible person in the sector that international financial markets have developed into a monster that must be put back in its place.
Mr Kφhlers words will revive memories of the 2005 remarks by Franz Mόntefering, then the German vice-chancellor, attacked hedge funds as swarms of locusts whose profit-maximising strategies inspired by international competition posed a danger to our democracy.
Xanadu | 05.14.08 - 7:00 am
What a load of feeble-minded horse shit!
Stick to poetry - PLEASE!
THE PROBLEM IS: AMERICA HAS NO RESCUER
1. "The US looks more like Poland shortly before the Chmielnicki Uprising than like interbellum Germany."
Xenophile | 05.15.08 - 7:39 am | #
2. "Unfortunately the emollient Xdu's comparison has the ring of truth."
US taxpayer | 05.15.08 - 7:59 am | #
The word "unfortunately" is here the operative word. It is most unfortunate that we should find ourselves in a similar position to pre-Hitlerite Germany.
Xeno, I wasn't suggesting that America today was a MIRROR IMAGE of interbellum Germany, simply that there were striking parallels between the two countries.
The one big difference between pre-Hitlerite Germany and contemporary America is the absence of any RESCUER in the latter case. Hitler gave Germany a brief respite by coming along just when the Germans most needed him. That he was subsequently ground into dust and demonized by international Jewry demonstrates only too well that in politics, as in life, it is necessary to win. Losing won't do.
So where is America's "rescuer"?
McCain, McCain!
We await thy reign!
Obama! Obama!
Are YOU the charmer?
Or is it you, Hillary?
Oh, pleeeeze don't be sillary!
See what I mean? Ruin stares us in the face. No rescuer.
"...he had yet to hear "a clearly audible mea culpa" - I hope he doesn't hold his breath.
There was an interesting article in the WSJ on Monday telling about this British dube, Richard Spinks, who is going around the Ukraine buying and leasing land (the length of the lease never mentioned) to create 'modern farms' 25,000 acres a pop. So far he has leased 165,000 acres. His company is known as Landkom International PLC. This is just like what the Bauers are doing in India. It would be interesting to know who owns the land or means of production in Brazil and Argentina. I think it is safe to bet there will be a world wide famine in the near future and that the Bauers will decide who eats.
What a load of feeble-minded horse shit!
Stick to poetry - PLEASE!
Hoarsewhisperer | 05.15.08 - 8:44 am | #
I hope you're saying that in a WHISPER?!?
BTW, there's some of my poetry above. Betcha like it, bad man.
Don't Smile Too Much, German Shop Assistants Warned
A German psychologist has warned "professional smilers" such as flight attendants and shop assistants that too much forced smiling can cause stress, depression and even heart problems. It's unlikely to become a major health issue though -- German customer service isn't renowned for its friendliness.
http://www.spiegel.de/
internatio...,553186,00.html
The stress caused by having to flash one's teeth at customers can lead to depression, high blood pressure and cardiovascular problems, Professor Dieter Zapf of the Johann Wolfgang Goethe University of Frankfurt told Apotheken Umschau,
OMG. Now we know why americans are so aggressive. All that teeth flashing.
Don't Smile Too Much, German Shop Assistants Warned
Fritz | 05.15.08 - 8:56 am | #
Fritz,
Why do make me smile with that post, only adding to my stress level?
at his master's chamber, doofus W compares USA to 20th cen nazi germany. apologies must somehow be sent to nazi ger.
inside the same chamber elie the weasel looking like something a nazi cat dragged in, affirms. weasel's suffering for all hiskind on display forcing others to remember their guilt for his immense burden.
i will do nothing this day but remember.
"We were lying about all the other holocausts we claimed to have suffered, but we're telling the truth about the last one."
ABANDON HOPE, ALL YE WHO LIVE IN AMERICA!
(Except if you're Jewish).
Here is some documentation that proves my point that there are UNCANNY PARALLELS between pre-Nazi Germany and America today.
The passage comes from celebrated British historian Sir Arthur Bryant's 'Unfinished Victory' (1940, pp. 136-144).
"It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.
The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a large part of the press all the normal means, in fact, by which public opinion in a civilized country is formed. The largest newspaper combine in the country with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly.
Every year it became harder and harder for a gentile to gain or keep a foothold in any privileged occupation. At this time it was not the Aryans who exercised racial discrimination. It was a discrimination . . . exercised by a minority against a majority. There was no persecution, only elimination. It was the contrast between the wealth enjoyed and lavishly displayed by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and the poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe."
Who can doubt that what the Jews did to pre-Hitlerite Germany was only "Dracula, Part 1"? What they are doing RIGHT NOW to America is "Dracula, Part 2". The Vampire has struck again.
How is this new horror movie going to end?
Excuse me while I puke into my handkerchief.
Dundee Joe |05.15.08 - 7:32 am|
you are excused.
don't forget to wipe your fevered brow afterwards.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/H...0805/
S00100.htm
Chomsky is a big fan of William Blum's work. According to Kevin Barrett, Blum wanted Chomsky asked a few questions on 9/11. Anybody know how it turned out?
Yeah Xanadu but now they have competing influences from the Asians and Middle- Easterners buying up the USA. Also, no internet back then. I knew some Dutch Jews who were buying up property in Florida back in the late 90s and they were sort of complaining that there didn't seem to be any inflation and wanted to know why. Again, it was the internet explosion of commerce that kept inflation in-check. But, they are getting inflation now but housing prices have dropped, they must be pretty upset.
Amazing reference, Xdu. Didn't know about Bryant, thank you.
Bill W, NH | 05.15.08 - 11:12 am | #
The great Wall Street scams--subprime, OTC derivatives, shorts on same, etc.--have not been perpetrated by Asians or Middle-Easterners
Wiki, the Chaos Controlled
By Israel Shamir
In the art of surveillance, there is a cunning ploy, familiar to the readers of Le Carre: the target is followed by a clumsy gumshoe; he discovers he is being tailed, easily shakes the tail off and goes on, feeling secure and unobserved. Unbeknownst to him, there are other detectives who stick to him like glue and follow him to his perdition. Professionally it is called a double tail.
Apparently, some of us were duped by such a ruse in the peculiar affair of a Zionist plot to infiltrate Wikipedia. This powerful online encyclopaedia is ostensibly free and open: everyone can be an editor, add or edit any entry. Editors remain anonymous; their true identity is hidden behind a nickname. This rule has a serious drawback: using this anonymity, a dedicated group may infiltrate the system by stealth, distort reality and create a false picture of the world in the eyes of billions. Apparently this script has been recently enacted.
Conspiracy? Yes. Jewish conspiracy? You bet! The damning email exchange was intercepted and published, revealing a radical Zionist plot to bend Wiki. A moderate leftist (some would call it tame) US-based pro-Palestinian site EI revealed that the radical-extremist Zionist organisation CAMERA called for volunteers who can work as editors to ensure that Israel-related articles on Wikipedia agree with their right-wing-Zionist agenda. This effort was to be kept secret from the media and the public. Stealth and misrepresentation were presented as the keys to success. A CAMERA official advised the volunteers to sign up as editors for Wikipedia and afterwards to avoid editing Israel-related material for a while, in order to avoid the appearance of being one-topic editors. The orchestrated effort was to appear as if it were the work of unaffiliated individuals, and for this reason the editors were to avoid picking a user name that marked them as pro-Israel, or that let people know their real name. The emails taught Zionist apprentices how to act in the interests of Israel while using neutral language. The emphasis was on the long run side of the operation: This is a marathon not a sprint, a Zionist instructor nicknamed Zeq taught his apprentices in the email exchange.
The EI article about this revelation was quite sycophantic towards Wikipedia. It presented Wiki as an objective source at loggerheads with Zionist infiltrators, and even bordered on advertising: Openness and good faith are among Wikipedias core principles. Any person in the world can write or edit articles, but Wikipedia has strict guidelines and procedures for accountability intended to ensure quality control and prevent vandalism, plagiarism or distortion. It is because of these safeguards that articles on key elements of the Palestine-Israel conflict have generally remained well-referenced, useful and objective.
Still, it was not enough, and on the next day, 22 April 2008, EI updated this art
cont...
Still, it was not enough, and on the next day, 22 April 2008, EI updated this article with a triumphal and calming statement: a plan by the pro-Israel pressure group CAMERA to skew Wikipedia in a pro-Israel direction appears to have collapsed after it was exposed by EI. Zeq was dismissed, and anyway, fewer than a dozen of Camera moles were active at the time EI exposed the scheme. In short: everything is fine, Wiki is functioning well, and the Zionist scare is gone, thanks to fearless EI. And anyway, it was only a small operation by the enemies of freedom, and it is over.
Excuse me, is this an article, or a paid advertisement for Wikipedia? Did EI receive on evening April 21st an offer they could not refuse from the owner of Wiki? Only a Zionist can think that Wiki articles on key elements of the Palestine-Israel conflict have generally remained well-referenced, useful and objective. On the contrary, they are biased in the extreme; just read, for instance, an exceedingly hostile entry on Hamas, including its Talk, i.e. discussions of editors, deletions and corrections. It defines Hamas as
best known for multiple suicide bombings and other attacks directed against civilians [known to whom? To me it is best known as the ruling party of Palestine , and secondly, as grassroots mutual assistance movement ISH]
Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel [while all prominent Israeli parties joined in destruction of Palestine ISH]
the organization is described by many as antisemitic. Is that objective? Further the entry says, inter alia: Hamas is considered by the US a terrorist organisation. This is true, but not the whole truth. I personally added: However, Russia refused to consider Hamas a terrorist organisation. My addition was immediately removed by ever-watchful Zionist case-officer. Hamas is terrorist, full stop.
Only a dishonest fool, or a man who never used Wikipedia, may think that plan of the Lobby to skew Wikipedia in a pro-Israel direction appears to have collapsed. The clumsy gumshoe was shaken off, for Camera is but a bunch of amateurs, extreme Jewish nationalists with some nuisance value. They do not represent the Jewish mainstream; but they do play a useful part: they make the mainstream appear moderate. Being hassled by Camera is like being hassled by the Klan it proves nothing. They hassle everybody, even moderate Zionists and other fellow-philosemites whom Camera fanatics consider insufficiently zealous, such as Johann Hari, an English professional philosemite who recently boasted: I have worked undercover at both the Finsbury Park mosque and among neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers to expose the Jew-hatred there; I went on the Islam Channel to challenge the anti-Semitism of Islamists, I received a rash of death threats calling me a Jew-lover. Later he strayed farther afield and wrote about Israeli sewage pouring all over Gaza . Afterwards, he complained, Camera said I
cont...
Camera said I am an anti-Jewish bigot akin to Joseph Goebbels.
Now, when the amateurs are disgraced and gone, the professionals remain. Wiki is as partial to Jews as the Jewish Chronicle. The picture of the world it offers is being edited and shaped in full accordance with general Jewish world view thanks to a group of permanent and devoted editors and arbiters.
Freedom to add and edit is just a bait attracting millions unpaid contributors. If Wiki were truly free, provided that ordinary people are in vast majority, we could expect to find a democratic world view, not one not perverted by a biased minority, but the real Wikipedia does not work that way. The apparent chaos of Wiki is strictly controlled by a hierarchy of Agents Smith, who secure the Wiki matrix. They delete references to Jewish misdeeds, but emphasize every good deed by a Jew. Israel/Palestine is just one area in what is truly universal agenda. For instance, they block and remove attempts to mention the Jewish origin of the founder of Satanist movement, one La Vey (originally Levy), though this explains his hatred towards Christianity. They insist on inferiority of Poincare versus Einstein, of Jung versus Freud or Proudhon versus Marx. Every act against Jews is recorded; every act of Jews against goyim is blotted out from this organised memory of our generation. These editors can manage just fine, thank you, without amateur infiltrators.
Zeq has been banned for his indiscretions, but the man he wrote of so admiringly, whom he described as their role model to his apprentices (work with him and learn from him), an ideal,. effective Zionist Wikipedia editor called Jayjg, is still there. Jayjg is not just an editor; he is an arbiter, what passes for a judge on the Wikipedia. He was appointed to that position by the site owner himself. He is an Agent Smith of the Wiki matrix. One may see his work in many, many entries: clever and unscrupulous, he is a master of the subterfuge and deceit.
Another, superior Agent Smith is Cberlet or John Foster (Chip) Berlet, the scourge of the web. He is acting under many names. He is a collaborator with the ADL, the Jewish thought police. Though he previously denied having any relationship to ADL, he admitted to Israeli Foreign Affairs that he had had quite a cordial professional relationship with the ADL" and had been doing research in cooperation with ADL. The New York City Jewish newspaper "Forward" reported that Berlet transferred information from FBI anti-Communist informer directly to ADL. Ace Hayes wrote: John Foster Chip Berlet has been involved, over the past half decade, in attacking virtually every independent critic of the Imperial State that the reader can name. His operation is financed by Ford Foundation. Michael Collins Piper in his monumental book on the Kennedy assassination, Final Judgment, asserts that Chip Berlet is a CIA agent. Naturally, his own entry in Wiki is pro
cont...
Final Judgment, asserts that Chip Berlet is a CIA agent. Naturally, his own entry in Wiki is protected from editing. The Arbitration committee (those who hold the reigns of power on the Wiki) admit to hero-worship of Cberlet, as I was informed by a prominent insider.
These men are discreet, they wont babble about their devotion to the Jewish cause; they hide it under the veil of bureaucratic expressions and abbreviations. Their supporting cast includes some Jewish antizionists like RolandR. This is actually a British Trotskyite trade union apparatchik Roland Rance, who does not mind to cooperate with convinced anti-Communist, CIA and ADL agent Berlet and with zealous Zionist Jayjg. So much for his antizionism and his socialism! He, and thousands of smaller wanna-be Agents Smith did not need the starry-eyed arch-Zionists of CAMERA, they are already in.
The revelation of EI is nothing but a subterfuge, a double tail executed to increase our trust in Wiki. A similar double tail operation was performed last year, when Wiki announced it had found CIA-made edits on a few pages. Careful reading of that revelation was even more disappointing than that of EI. The worst discovered CIA edit of President Ahmadinejad entry was added exclamation Wahhhhhh!, while other changes that have been made are more innocuous, and include tweaks to the profile of former CIA chief Porter Goss and celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey. This is ridiculous: the US secret services spend many billions per annum in their drive for domination of the Web. A recent report speaks of $30 billion allocated by the Pentagon for an electronic Manhattan Project in order to fight the Web. And they want us to believe that all these billions produced an exclamation Wahhhhhh!? Alas, it is just another double tail sting by the usual suspects.
2
The Wiki entries on Palestine/Israel are far from well-referenced, useful and objective as the dupes of EI claim. On the second thought, are they dupes, or willing collaborators? The top man in EI is Electronic Ali, as Ali Abunima is nicknamed, the man who began the witch hunt against Shamir the antisemite. He is the Arab front for various exclusively Jewish organisations for Palestine , who rather promote the Jewish cause and fight antisemitism. Such Jewish bodies like to have a compliant shabbesgoy (as Rosa Luxemburg called these guys) for a front, and Ali fits the bill perfectly. Even this article on Wiki has some reference to evil antisemites.
In his attack on me, Electronic Ali acted together with the execrable Hussein Ibish, but since then, the thieves have fallen apart.[1] Another prominent EI person is, or was, Nigel Parry, a British antisemitism- fighter, their webmaster and probably also their case officer. Nigel Perry is an enforcer of Political Correctness and is Gatekeeper General of the permitted discourse on Palestine , keeping it between hard Likud and
cont...
Nigel Perry is an enforcer of Political Correctness and is Gatekeeper General of the permitted discourse on Palestine , keeping it between hard Likud and the soft Peace Now. He proudly mentions many years of involvement with the Palestinian cause. Well, such guys are a reason why the Palestinian cause looks the way it does.
Why, we could have One State , a single unified state in Israel/Palestine by now, but for these guys. Looking back, it was a possible development in 2001, sometime before 9/11, when my call for One State was heeded by many Israelis and Americans, and supported by major American newspapers. Then these men began their campaign to denigrate me and scared the supporters away. Shamir is discredited and marginalised , they wrote with satisfaction. For them, it did not matter that together with me, they discredited and marginalised the idea of One State -- the only possible peaceful solution to our conflict.
The final battle was fought on the Wikipedia site, where Ali-Ibish-Parry provided ammunition to Zionist Agent Smith Jayjg and ADLs own Barlet, with the ADL-sponsored block of antifascist e-zines: British Searchlight, Norwegian Monitor, Swedish Expo, American Trotskyite Socialist Viewpoint et al. These formidable forces were counteracted by our wonderful friend Joh Domingo, a South African fighter against apartheid, and our French friend Omnivore. You can read the protocols of the battle on http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Talk:Israel_ Shamir. They decided to make me a Swedish neonazi impostor, instead of the Israeli writer I am.
All the time this battle was going on, I lived in my Jaffa house, receiving endless visitors, giving numerous interviews, going to work, seeing people but I might as well have been dead. I felt like Doc Daneeka, a character in Joseph Hellers witty Catch-22, who was declared dead as the plane he was supposed to fly was downed. I am alive! he shouted. Here we have a paper saying you are dead, they replied. His wife inherited his property, he was stricken from the lists, they stopped serving him food, and even his friends and comrades looked askance when he appeared. This is the power of an official-looking document or a webpage blue with hyperlinks. Thus I have learned the dreadful power of an encyclopaedia: it does not reflect the world, but rather creates the world. Wiki is linked to thousands of sites; whether you look at answers.com or at an Arab English-language site, youll be led to Wiki with its lies.
If an encyclopaedia said I am a Swedish neonazi antisemite, nothing could change it. I could scream all day long: Look, here I am, in Jaffa but they would reply: Here we have an official paper saying that you are not. I am very grateful to Joh Domingo for his superhuman efforts, but he could not overcome the Agents Smith. Neither could I. If tomorrow they decide to make you a little green man from Mars, they will succeed, too. And then,
If tomorrow they decide to make you a little green man from Mars, they will succeed, too. And then, even your friends will look behind you for your flying saucer.
A few days ago, I spoke to a group of Indian intellectuals in Delhi , and afterwards I received this touching letter from Come Carpentier, a French expat writer living in the Indian capital. He wrote: I meant to thank you for these enlightening, balanced and always objective yet passionate words you spoke that evening...Listening to them dispels even better than reading you the reputation that you have been given by you-know-who as a firebrand defamer of Israel, holocaust denier, Nazi apologist and so on and so forth... Not to mention the rumours about your being a clandestine Swedish Far Right-winger infiltrated in the Holy Land by the international Islamo-Fascist Cabal!
III
In a way, pro-Jewish bias of Wiki is unavoidable bearing in mind Jewish positions in Western discourse, media and universities. Jews even people of Jewish origin are likely to correct discourse in a flattering for them way. They did it hundred years ago, and five hundred years ago. Provided they do it in one direction, they constitute the only entity (besides the undermined Church and its Orders) capable of a marathon (in words of Zeq) - of sustaining a long-run operation.
A hundred years ago, a New York lawyer Samuel Untermeyer financed the first Scofield Reference Bible; since then, the Scofield Bibles are being republished in newer even more pro-Jewish editions and they bring in millions of Christian Zionists.
Joachim Martillo writes in his Judonia: Jewish efforts benefit from organizational memory that does not exist in other lobbying situations. The longevity of Jewish Federation organizations can give Israel Lobbying efforts a generational aspect not seen elsewhere. For example, Israel Advocacy organizations worked for fifty years to delegitimize Arabists in the Foreign Service and State Department, and replace them with Israel-sympathetic personnel.
Martllo erroneously connects this result with some specific pro-Israel organisation. Success of Zionism (and incidentally its crimes) is just the strawberry on top of the Jewish success cake. The Jews are engaged in advocacy of Jews, and consequently they delegitimize Arabists, or priests, or independent historians who do not subscribe to the notion that Jews are special in consistently beneficial way. Zionism is a result of Jewish pruning of history, and this pruned history is what we were taught.
There are no Arab sheiks or Russian oligarchs or American oilmen ready to finance anything long term of no immediate relevancy. They do not understand that practically every entry of encyclopaedia, every textbook influence future generations. A correct entry on, say, Poincare or monotheism or Persian invasion could save potential Zionists from their delusions of grandeur.
Wikipedia is a great idea
cont...
Wikipedia is a great idea for Jews: people of all nations from all over the world contribute of their knowledge, and then this Summa is pruned in the way acceptable to the pro-Jewish gardeners. Despite its free image, Wikipedia is part and parcel of the immense Judaised media holding, and thus is as biased as any other publication of the group from the New York Times (owned by Sulzberger) to Liberation (owned by Rothschild) to hundreds of Murdock papers.
Conclusion
Wikipedia is an important asset, like the New York Times, but both are in the hands of enemies of freedom. Sometimes good and truthful articles or entries are to be found in both, but these are specks of gold dust placed there to salt the dud mine. We certainly want to democratise both; to make both really democratic and accessible. Until this is done, we should explain that both are tools of mind control not to be trusted or taken at face value. If Wiki wants to preserve some of its reliability, it must get rid of its Zionist enforcers. Not only of the CAMERA bumpkins, but of the hard men in black suits, the Agents Smith.
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[1] In an article by Osamah Khalil of Berkeley EI deservedly took Ibish to task for his defense of Abbas strategy of deference and obsequiousness to the US and Israel . According to Ibishs issue paper, Abbas problem is not that he is a failed, corrupt and ineffectual leader who appears to Palestinians as an eager American tool, but that he is uninspiring and lacks the charisma that many politicians rely upon, and is not an emotive speaker. Ibishs screed, continues EI, deliberately ignores a thugocracy in Palestinian politics as embodied by Mohammad Dahlan, Jibril Rajoub and their ilk. His idea of an independent secular Palestinian state is a US-backed government of thieves and their enforcers
Ibish derides reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas as utopian, as for him there is no alternative to Abbas rule, American hyperpower, and Israel s military and economic dominance in the Middle East .
that was difficult. hope i got it all.
were wiki to toe a core zionist line, who but sworn zionists would ever use it?
and it would thereby cease to be an effective zionist tool, such as it is now, where instead of outrageous lies, there is smothered truth, unobtrusive derailing of inquiry, alluring tangential hypertext leading nowhere.
US taxpayer | 05.14.08 - 8:41 pm
Still bitter about my exposure of your
false claim re antiwar.com and your oblivion regarding Prussian Blue, dimwit?
"What percentage of Americans do you suppose understand what the Zios have done to the USA? 2%? .0002%?"
I couldn't say - but I do know that that number is growing all the time.
And the growth of anti-zionist jewish movements like "J-Street" say to me that some of the more far-sighted in their groups are understanding just how critical the situation is.
If only, as one glumly suspects, for their own self-preservation.
As one other commentator has suggested, when I see these groups actually organizing for the rights of the Palestinians in their own homeland I might begin to feel differently.
But, as I say, it will only take another WFTJ for the majority of to Americans believe, and then the gloves come off.
I firmly believe that.
Ken Hoop | 05.15.08 - 11:45 am | #
I am in awe of your acumen, Ken.
As Coventry Patmore wrote,
When all its work is done, the lie will rot;
The truth prevails, when none care whether it prevail or not.
Thanks shlomos
Couldn't find that on the net.
Carter, Mearsheimer and Walt have done a great job showing other high profile gentiles how not to bend over to the jew.
Next, time for real fighters, people like Webb and Buchanan to step into the ring, survive and we'll see a trickle become flood. Zion will roll over into fetal posture, cry piteously and denounce zionism, he was only kidding, trying to provoke a patriotic response, hasbara at maximum volume ...
but the entire media and academic structure must be dismantled and rebuilt along democratic principles, constitutional freedoms strengthened, vigorous prosecution of past evils plus the reconciliation commission offering amnesty to those willing to step forward and spill the entire truth.
Talmud must be exposed in all its filth, not the saccharine Talmud for Everyman pablum.
People must know Zion, his ways and historical aims and erect protection. Lots of work ahead ...
Possible flaw in policeman Jacobsen inference. Golfer Peter Jacobsen certainly isn't.
Bill W, NH | 05.15.08 - 11:12 am | #
The whole "new financial system" as described by Volcker here is responsible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...h?
v=TBpKEdDQaaU
The originators and beneficiaries of this system are well-known.
http://judicial-inc.biz/
85.srael..._range_miss.htm
you might say whatever good polecats do on certain issues, they immediately
malodorize it with crap that diminishes Arab resistance less than their own credibility.
Shlomos' scary revelations about wikipedia only reinforce the point I have been trying to make all day that things are as bad as they can get far worse than they were in pre-Hitlerite Germany.
Couldn't find that on the net.
US taxpayer | 05.15.08 - 12:01 pm
i couldnt either(tried after receiving). it was a shamir email.
A visual aid to understanding the official aid the U.S. gives to Israel. This says nothing of the aid and special arrangements Germany and other countries shower Israel with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...h?
v=ntf0CSotj_A
"Yeah Xanadu but now they have competing influences from the Asians and Middle- Easterners buying up the USA. Also, no internet back then..."
Bill W, NH | 05.15.08 - 11:12 am | #
Bill W,
Like I said, America today is not a MIRROR IMAGE of pre-Nazi Germany. There are only striking parallels, the chief among them being the total TAKEOVER by the Jews of each nation.
You mention the internet as being one advantage we have today, but fail to register the malign influence of wikipedia exposed above in such detail. And a thousand other websites promoting Islamophobia and disinformation.
Remember there is also legislation pending to curtail free speech on the internet. Soon Xymphora will no longer be able to speak his mind, and you and Shlomos and the rest of us will be carted off to internment camps. I'm hoping I'll get a cell with a shower.
Germany had a high degree of ethnic homogeniety, an latent but intense spirituality and an abscence of two other racial minorities complicating beyond salvation the American collapse.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...3D-
B8EE8152000E
Horowitz assigns Hawkins the Barr smear. Barr would make a good president.
It would be interesting to see some more on this claim by Shamir:
the US secret services spend many billions per annum in their drive for domination of the Web. A recent report speaks of $30 billion allocated by the Pentagon for an electronic Manhattan Project in order to fight the Web.
Taxes & 5DS, here's link to the Shamir piece:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...cle.asp?
ID=8605
Was it their ethnic homogeneity or their cultural homogeneity that gave strength to the Germans? Or maybe it was just that they were hungry.
http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB...in_commentaries
If American culture is under assault today, it's not from immigrants who aren't assimilating but from liberal elites who reject the concept of assimilation. For multiculturalists, and particularly those in the academy, assimilation is a dirty word. A values-neutral belief system is embraced by some to avoid having to judge one culture as superior or inferior to another. Others reject the assimilationist paradigm outright on the grounds that the U.S. hasn't always lived up to its ideals. America slaughtered Indians and enslaved blacks, goes the argument, and this wicked history means we have no right to impose a value system on others. Keep the immigrants. Deport the Columbia faculty. And who would those folks be?
"...the US secret services spend many billions per annum in their drive for domination of the Web." Of course they are and so is Russia, China, India, Great Britain, Iran, Japan and any other responsible government who takes their own defense seriously. The WWW is a major avenue for information why wouldn't a world power want to dominate it. Because it isn't fair too? Get real.
Credit where credit is due: the Electronic Intifada tirelessly promotes the one-state solution (see Ali Anunimah's book, One Country). To call him a Zionist agent and assert that EI is a front for the Zionist enterprise is a bit much.
Good for you trad. I'm beginning to think some of our other posters have lost their objectivity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/1...gin&
oref=slogin
Digingenuous Friedman at least recognizes Iran has defeated the very Bush policies he pushed, now implicitly criticises.
The only thing T. Friedman did was marry well. It allowed him not to have to work.
Friedman's wife, Ann, is a graduate of Stanford University.[39] Her father, Matthew Bucksbaum, is the chairman of the board of General Growth Properties, the real estate development group that he co-founded with his brother in 1954. The Bucksbaums helped pioneer the development of shopping centers in the United States.[40] As of 2007, Forbes estimated the Bucksbaum family's assets at $4.1 billion, including about 18.6 million square meters of mall space.[41] wiki
thanks for the vid UST, informative.
Xanadu: I don't ever consult wikipedia and am sure there are many others who don't as well. And, I'm not really trying to disprove you, honest, but I think things are much different these days.
Who will they go after first? It will have to be some group that's not well-liked, then - who's next, and next and next? Who's last? I don't see folks here going off quietly, there's mucho guns here. And, we aren't really one people as was the case in Germany.
When Bush said: "they hate us for our freedoms", I was incredulous and I'm sure many others were too. We see the lies and we try to do something about them via elections in '04, '06, and now coming up. I figure though this is it, if things don't get done right in '08 there will be open rebellion here. False Flag included, we will not tolerate it any longer.
BTW, I have no plans whatsoever of winding up in a detention camp for any reason.
From Shamir's post:
For instance, they block and remove attempts to mention the Jewish origin of the founder of Satanist movement, one La Vey (originally Levy), though this explains his hatred towards Christianity. They insist on inferiority of Poincare versus Einstein, of Jung versus Freud or Proudhon versus Marx. Every act against Jews is recorded; every act of Jews against goyim is blotted out from this organised memory of our generation.
Well, it is our primary duty to act as a sort of anti-wiki.
I would say that the Satanist movement goes back to Babylonian Talmud to say the least.
havent read the entire shamir piece. no time. will wait for printer availability.
re abunimah and ibish maybe each has done, still does some good like chomsky and finkelstein and fisk.
i stopped reading abunimah way back same as i did with chomsky and fisk and finkel.
he had couple writings that were zionist/jewry correct. maybe he pushes for the one state and has other good opinions. bless him. i can get the good from others who are not so afraid of losing their jobs, veneer of respectability, or of seeming 'antisemitic'.
arabs in the usa (maybe the west) have to be careful.they can only go so far. say so much.
Groans from the memory hole - from the time the 5 Dancing Shlomos were branded "men of Middle Eastern Origin" in the MSM:
911 Truckload of Explosives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=J...feature=related
laughing here, if it had been reported in the MSM here in the USA it would have been:
Middle-Eastern men arrested at Meth producing slaughterhouse, religious extremists involved too.
be specific, Bill, when I think of a "meth producing slaughterhouse", I have Israel in mind.
US STATE DEPT DENOUNCES NEW TESTAMENT AS ANTISEMITIC
Global Thought Police Decree Passages in the New Testament Are
'Classical Anti-Semitism'
Bible is 'hate,' says State Department Office of Global Anti-Semitism
The State Department "Office of Global Anti-Semitism" says the New
Testament claim that the Jews had Christ crucified is "classical
anti-Semitism"a historic form of hate. It included as an
"anti-Semitic incident" the case of a Polish priest who said Jews
killed Christ.
http://
www.americanfreepress.net...emitism_13.html
HATE AFTER DEATH--Lantos' legacy lives on
http://www.forward.com/articles/5089/
State Department Opposes New Antisemitism Office
By Josh Richman
Fri. Aug 06, 2004
OAKLAND, Calif. The only Holocaust survivor in Congress is feuding with the State Department over his bill to create a special office at Foggy Bottom to track antisemitism across the globe.
Rep. Tom Lantos, the ranking Democrat on the House International Relations Committee, told the Forward this week that he was pushing ahead with a bill, HR 4230, that would create an Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism within the State Department. Earlier this month the State Department sent Lantos a three-page memo vowing to oppose the bill on grounds that antisemitism is already monitored and that giving it extra attention would be seen as favoritism.
" Agriprocessors has declined to comment. The company's products can be found nationwide in Wal-Mart, Trader Joes, Albertsons and Kroger, among others."
Damn, I like Trader Joe's, oh well, there's other stores
"See there Bitch, nobody wants to answer your fucking questions. Why don't you just bugger off like you promised and creep back under your stone? I've had enough of your anti-Semitic ravings . . . Excuse me while I puke into my handkerchief."
Dundee Joe | 05.15.08 - 7:32 am | #
Dundee Joe,
Thanks for communicating your thoughts to me. I am grateful to you for the human contact you extended to me while I was on this site. Bye, and take care.
Don't worry, Xdu, nothing a fat boy can't fix.
US STATE DEPT DENOUNCES NEW TESTAMENT AS ANTISEMITIC
Comes with the territory, I mean Noahide territory.
It is only the start, before pictures depicting Christ boiled in vats of rabbi excrement are hung in schools and other public places.
Christofascism, anyone?
It would have served Pike to put something from the government documents in direct quotes to ascertain how bold the offense is.
As geopolitics exist now,however, Islam will simply pick up the slack of the decadence of Christianity and on a worldwide basis.
http://ca.reuters.com/article/to...0080515?
sp=true
MFA could e.g. proffer a list of Muslim offshoots which orthodox Islam considers heretical, that is, non-Islamic, beyond-the-pale.
Bush and any who claim the Land Promise (Abrahamic Covenant) to Israel is still effective are not
Christians in the same manner as
Muslim offshoots which deny that Mohammed was the last prophet cannot be Muslims.
Thankfully, in the name of Tradition, the world is arranged in such a manner now as to render
America and Britain, the mainstays of
non-Traditional Christian offshoots,
vulnerably decadent vaccuums of quickly filled Traditional Islam in key areas of the world.
I hope you're saying that in a WHISPER?!?
BTW, there's some of my poetry above. Betcha like it, bad man.
Xanadu | 05.15.08 - 8:55 am
It was a loudly whispered aside. Rightly or wrongly I read the comment as encouragement to roll over - an appeal to surrender to helplessness and wishful thinking.
I'm not a big fan of poetry. Music says it better. I tend to think of poetry as a music substitute for the tone-deaf. There are examples of 'good' poems/poetry but the best of them pass relatively unnoticed when compared with music's ability to inspire.
If my rejection of helplessness as a productive mindset, and unwillingness to embrace poetry as a higher art form, make me a bad man then consider me bad.
"MFA could e.g. proffer a list of Muslim offshoots which orthodox Islam considers heretical, that is, non-Islamic, beyond-the-pale" ken hoop
seems to be your baby. you provide the list if such exists.
Xdu is not helpless. She's a fighter.
Interview w. Dr Karmi, describes meeting the Canadian jews who took over her family's house in Jerusalem. The NYT office is in the second floor, Erlanger took her round to meet the Israelis living on the ground floor. Israelis show no regret for their crimes, taking houses and land from subhumans.
http://www.democracynow.org/
2008..._anniversary_of
ken, not to disagree with general conclusion, i.e., islam-vigorous, christianity-decadent, but to let christians off the hook is wrong for two reasons:
1) islam fights zionism w/o outside help, we just reap benefits, and
2) as it is, christians are duped into fighting islam on zion's behalf.
orthodox christianity is exempt from the above criticism and for that reason, maybe the last real christians left.
lobro | 05.15.08 - 8:40 pm |
i shoudda said that.
last real Christians are Amish, some Orthodox and pre-Vatican II Catholics
http://books.google.com/books?id...nhtHls3H0&
hl=en
ahmadis are perhaps the most numerous now. what's your point, dancer? i'm saying Bush is no more a Christian than these are Muslims.
at one time there were only a dozen but their vision was clear, they knew what the idumeans, moneychangers, pharisees and the sanhedrin were, the devil's spawn.
christ's life was basically war against the ancient enemy, talmud knows that and thus the undying hatred for all things christ's.
too bad that those who today call themselves christian don't have a clue, they lost contact, vatican is a polluted swamp surrounded by priceless art.
one can learn a lot more about what jesus was all about studying the frescoes than listening to idiot pope's gutless homilies.
don't fall off the balcony while bowing to the aliens, father.
There were two possibilities in Judaism. Before the birth of Christ, these two,
negation and affirmation, were together awaiting choice. Christ was the man who
conquered in Himself Judaism, the greatest negation, and created Christianity, the
strongest affirmation and the most direct opposite of Judaism. Now the choice has
been made; the old Israel has divided into Jews and Christians, and Judaism has lost
the possibility of producing greatness. The new Judaism has been unable to produce
men like Samson and Joshua, the least Jewish of the old Jews. In the history of the
world, Christendom and Jewry represent negation and affirmation. In old Israel there
was the highest possibility of mankind, the possibility of Christ. The other possibility
is the Jew.
I must guard against misconception; I do not mean that there was any approach to
Christianity in Judaism; the one is the absolute negation of the other; the relation
between the two is only that which exists between all pairs of direct opposites. Even
more than in the case of piety and Judaism, Judaism and Christianity can best be
contrasted by what each respectively excludes. Nothing is easier than to be Jewish,
nothing so difficult as to be Christian. Judaism is the abyss over which Christianity is
erected, and for that reason the Aryan dreads nothing so deeply as the Jew.
I am not disposed to believe, with Chamberlain, that the birth of the Saviour in
Palestine was an accident. Christ was a Jew, precisely that He might overcome the
Judaism within Him, for he who triumphs over the deepest doubt reaches the highest
faith; he who has raised himself above the most desolate negation is most sure in his
position of affirmation. Judaism was the peculiar, original sin of Christ; it was His
victory over Judaism that made Him greater than Buddha or Confucius. Christ was
the greatest man because He conquered the greatest enemy. Perhaps He was, and will
remain, the only Jew to conquer Judaism. The first of the Jews to become wholly the
Christ was also the last who made the transition. --Weininger
not sure if christ was actually a jew, is this a fact, taxes?
are the aramaic speaking remnants in syria jews?
besides, the term "jew" is a later invention, i believe that the original one was "hebrew".
Of course, as Martillo shows here:
http://www.vtjp.org/articles/
His...ate_Zionism.htm
judaism is younger than both Christianity and Islam.
Weininger is talking about "Old Israel" which had within itself the possiblity to produce the greatest good or the the greatest evil. Christ had to overcome the possibility of the latter to fulfill the first, in W's view.
Nonetheless modern judaism did develop in continuity with the rabbinic tradition which is based on the rejection of Christ; the rabbis themselves claimed to be carrying on the teaching of Christ's enemies the pharisees.
The following book by an Israeli scholar very much bears out Weininger's analysis, insofar as he shows the development of jewish doctrine as a rejection of Christianity:
Yuval, Israel Jacob.
2006 Two Nations in Your Womb Perceptions of Jews and Christians in Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages. The S. Mark Taper Foundation imprint in Jewish studies. Berkeley: University of California Press.
Eric Hobsbawm's lecture is my go-to source for these questions:
The Greco-Roman Anachronism:
יהודים, Iουδαϊοι and Iūdaei are Judeans Not Jews
essentially, the overlap between Judean religion and today's Judaism, the practitioners of Judean religion and inhabitants of Palestine was very scant.
Christ, as I understand came from Judean tradition which bears only minimal resemblance to modern Judaism, which, as you confirmed, originated with nasty variants like Pharisees, and whose organizing principle is hatred of Christ.
ahmadis are perhaps the most numerous now. what's your point, dancer? i'm saying Bush is no more a Christian than these are Muslims.
Ken Hoop | 05.15.08 - 8:49 pm |
dont throw it to mfa. maybe weeks before he comments again. the rest of us want to know the list contents now.
The crowning obscenity, to return to my original point, is that those who unabashedly serve Zion dare call themselves Christian, 'need another spike Chaim, let me bring you coffee, crucifixion is hard work'.
Well there are already some very negative traits present in the Judaeans of the Old Testament, which fit typologically w. Weininger's analysis of the jews, which really only makes sense in the larger context of _Sex and Character_, well worth reading IMO.
lobro | 05.15.08 - 9:53 pm | #
Are these folks oblivious to the fact that the war party is targeting the most Christian countries in the Levant? Genocide of Christians in Iraq, Palestine, soon Syria? Hezbo is protecting the Christians in Lebanon.
http://www.counterpunch.org/
lamb...mb04262008.html
It is now Hezbollah and its allies who are protecting the Christians
and want free elections in the Middle East, not the Bush
administration.
as usual, I will take your word and revisit the data when pressed.
My concern is not so much ancients as those who stole their mantle in order to claim continuity and make perverted claims based on nonexistent history - "I claim this land because my father was an extra at the shooting of Ben Hur".
I don't think the issue is putative genetic or historical continuity of the "Volk", almost certainly spurious, but the fact that a certain literal reading of the Old Testament became normative for jews.
If you read the psalms or the Torah in the literal sense, as the jews do, they are a mandate for war against the gentiles. Remember the Amalekites!
St. Bernard says that even the literal sense of the OT is to be understood spiritually. Tell that to Pastor Hagee!
it seems to me that the oldest and the most continuous practice is the one of the devil worship or satanism and different groups carried the torch under the common name.
The material benefits conferred by Mephistopheles were second to none and thus his followers mocked Christ on the cross.
Your Hobsbawm link takes me to Martillo.
well, maybe Martillo then, but my impression is that he just reprinted Hobsbawm's Budapest lecture.
Either way, solid stuff.
Widespread Arab Stances Support Hezbollah
Hanan Awarekeh
http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSi...412&
language=en
Sayyed Nasrallahs call upon the Islamic World to be understanding, was echoed by a large number of Islamic scholars and figures who expressed their sympathy with the resistance and its conduct in Lebanon, especially after the U.S Israeli hand assailed, through the unconstitutional government of Fouad Saniora, the weapon that liberated the country in 2000 and defeated Israel in the July war in 2006.
I don't think there was any authentic and beneficient "Judaean" tradition which only later became perverted and transformed into Talmudic Judaism. The same fraudulent and zionist spirit, mendacity in the interest of usurpation, can be traced from when the scribe Ezra first began to weave his web of lies.
"mendacity in the interest of usurpation..." - elegant formulation, smekhovo.
Foreclosures, depression and suicide: symptoms of a grave and undiagnosed American disease.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/ec...al-
health_N.htm
"symptoms of a grave and undiagnosed American disease."
They should strap on bomb belts and go to any Arab nation on the planet instead of being considered sick or stupid they would be considered hero's.
I can hear the pre suicidal chanting now Nakba Akbar! Nakba Akbar! Nakba Adbar!
Did I miss this historic event, the Bush v. Putin Debate?
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Was World War II worth it?
Posted: May 11, 2005
1:00 am Eastern
By Patrick J. Buchanan
In the Bush vs. Putin debate on World War II, Putin had far the more difficult assignment. Defending Russia's record in the "Great Patriotic War," the Russian president declared, "Our people not only defended their homeland, they liberated 11 European countries."
Those countries are, presumably: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and Finland.
To ascertain whether Moscow truly liberated those lands, we might survey the sons and daughters of the generation that survived liberation by a Red Army that pillaged, raped and murdered its way westward across Europe. As at Katyn Forest, that army eradicated the real heroes who fought to retain the national and Christian character of their countries.
To Bush, these nations were not liberated. "As we mark a victory of six decades ago, we are mindful of a paradox," he said:
For much of Eastern and Central Europe, victory brought the iron rule of another empire. V-E day marked the end of fascism, but it did not end the oppression. The agreement in Yalta followed in the unjust tradition of Munich and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable. ... The captivity of millions in Central and Eastern Europe will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs in history.
Bush told the awful truth about what really triumphed in World War II east of the Elbe. And it was not freedom. It was Stalin, the most odious tyrant of the century. Where Hitler killed his millions, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot and Castro murdered their tens of millions.
Leninism was the Black Death of the 20th Century.
The truths bravely declared by Bush at Riga, Latvia, raise questions that too long remained hidden, buried or ignored.
If Yalta was a betrayal of small nations as immoral as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, why do we venerate Churchill and FDR? At Yalta, this pair secretly ceded those small nations to Stalin, co-signing a cynical "Declaration on Liberated Europe" that was a monstrous lie.
As FDR and Churchill consigned these peoples to a Stalinist hell run by a monster they alternately and affectionately called "Uncle Joe" and "Old Bear," why are they not in the history books alongside Neville Chamberlain, who sold out the Czechs at Munich by handing the Sudetenland over to Germany? At least the Sudeten Germans wanted to be with Germany. No Christian peoples of Europe ever embraced their Soviet captors or Stalinist quislings.
Other questions arise. If Britain endured six years of war and hundreds of thousands of dead in a war she declared to defend Polish freedom, and Polish freedom was lost to communism, how can we say Britain won the war?
If the West went
If the West went to war to stop Hitler from dominating Eastern and Central Europe, and Eastern and Central Europe ended up under a tyranny even more odious, as Bush implies, did Western Civilization win the war?
In 1938, Churchill wanted Britain to fight for Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain refused. In 1939, Churchill wanted Britain to fight for Poland. Chamberlain agreed. At the end of the war Churchill wanted and got, Czechoslovakia and Poland were in Stalin's empire.
How, then, can men proclaim Churchill "Man of the Century"?
True, U.S. and British troops liberated France, Holland and Belgium from Nazi occupation. But before Britain declared war on Germany, France, Holland and Belgium did not need to be liberated. They were free. They were only invaded and occupied after Britain and France declared war on Germany on behalf of Poland.
When one considers the losses suffered by Britain and France hundreds of thousands dead, destitution, bankruptcy, the end of the empires was World War II worth it, considering that Poland and all the other nations east of the Elbe were lost anyway?
If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in.
If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe.
Was that worth fighting a world war with 50 million dead?
The war Britain and France declared to defend Polish freedom ended up making Poland and all of Eastern and Central Europe safe for Stalinism. And at the festivities in Moscow, Americans and Russians were front and center, smiling not British and French. Understandably.
Yes, Bush has opened up quite a can of worms.
worldnetdaily
Hi righteo, good to see you are back.
Bush, Putin debate democracy this maybe is what Buchanan is referring too. May 9th, 2005
http://www.deccanherald.com/
arch...02934200558.asp
Ken, my apologies I read your ethnic homogeneity as meaning 'white' (Ken Hoop | 05.15.08 - 1:05 pm). I do think cultural homogeneity is important which isn't to say adopting traits from others is wrong, in fact it is healthy. It keeps a culture dynamic.
Laurie | 05.15.08 - 1:30 pm |
hi laurie, never really left, notice y'all doing just fine with previous thread at record-contending 602 comments. xym's blog rocks!
To the memory of fallen soldiers of all sides and people who died before and after the end of the war (in the open) in Europe on May 8. 1945. Forgive the one- sidedness- but maybe tolerable, considering the defamation of Germans until today in the main media.
Song by Saga (new) from Sweden: "and the snow fell"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YX...h?v=YX-
F6LuKcY0
and in deutsch;
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?
v=kI...feature=related
08/15 - Als der Schnee fiel (Snow Fell)
How the order will be, when the modern European and Us empires fall finally no-one knows...
LIVNI CONFIRMS CHRISTISON'S ANALYSIS
http://www.counterpunch.org/
chri...on05272006.html
"The Palestinians Must Pay a Price for Their Choice"
Surrender vs. the Right to Exist
By KATHLEEN CHRISTISON
Former CIA analyst
The insistence that the Palestinians "recognize Israel's right to exist" does not mean, to Israel and the U.S., simply that the Palestinians must pledge not to throw Jews into the sea. Refraining from this drastic step is fairly easy even for the most militant of Islamists. It means instead recognizing Israel's moral legitimacy. For a Palestinian this means recognizing -- indeed, embracing as a moral imperative -- Israel's right to have expelled the Palestinians and taken their homes and their land.
http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSi...664&
language=en
Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on Thursday said that the Palestinians will be able to celebrate their independence day on the same day that the word "nakba" or catastrophe is erased from their lexicon.
Text from Livni link above:
The Israeli mission to the United Nations is seeking clarifications after an official communiquι released by Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon's bureau made specific reference to the word "nakba," according to a report broadcast on Israel Radio early Friday morning.
The report said the UN chief telephoned Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to express his solidarity with the Palestinians on the day they mark the "nakba," the Arabic word meaning "catastrophe" that is used in reference to the founding of the Zionist entity on Palestine.
Danny Carmon, Israel's deputy ambassador to the UN, told Israel Radio that the term "'nakba' is a tool of Arab propaganda used to undermine the legitimacy of the establishment of the State of Israel, and it must not be part of the lexicon of the UN."
It appears that word has been getting out despite everything the Zionist censorship can do. Nil desperandum!
a snip from gideon levy at axis, 5/14.
"The contribution of American Jewry to Israel may on balance be positive. They financed and built for us quite heavily; we in turn **offered them a safe haven** and a source of pride."
can someone remind me when israel offered american jews a 'safe haven' and for what. unless he is referring to laundering money or to escape arrest for crimes, i dont have a clue.
for s/b from
laundering money or to escape arrest for crime
what else does safe haven mean?
what does s/b mean?
I believe McCain will win because he will have the solid South behind him. But today's NYT has an intereresting contrary perspective:
In the South, a Force To Challenge the G.O.P.
By ADAM NOSSITER and JANNY SCOTT
16 May 2008
The New York Times
NEW ORLEANS -- The sharp surge in black turnout that Senator Barack Obama has helped to generate in recent primaries and Congressional races could signal a threat this fall to the longtime Republican dominance of the South, according to politicians and voting experts.
Should Mr. Obama become the Democratic nominee, he would still have to struggle for white swing voters in the South and in border states like West Virginia, where he lost decisively to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Tuesday's presidential primary. In West Virginia, where more than three-fourths of white voters chose Mrs. Clinton, 20 percent of the white voters said the race of the candidate mattered in their choice.
But in Southern states with large black populations, like Alabama, Mississippi and Virginia, an energized black electorate could create a countervailing force, particularly if conservative white voters choose not to flock to Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee. Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University in Atlanta, predicts ''the largest black turnout in the history of the United States'' this fall if Mr. Obama is the nominee.
To hold these states, Republicans may have to work harder than ever. Already, turnout in Democratic primaries this year has substantially exceeded Republican turnout in states like Arkansas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia.
Some analysts suggest that North Carolina and Virginia may even be within reach for the Democratic nominee, and they point to the surprising result in a Congressional special election in Mississippi this week as an indicator of things to come.
With the strong support of black voters, a conservative white Democrat, Travis W. Childers, scored an upset victory in that race, in a district held by Republicans since 1995. Kelvin Buck, a black state representative who helped the Childers campaign, said he saw a ''level of enthusiasm and energy'' that he had not seen before from black voters -- significantly motivated, he said, by a recent Republican anti-Obama campaign.
The numbers appear to bear that out. In one black precinct in the town of Amory, Miss., the number of voters nearly doubled, to 413, from the Congressional election in 2006, and this for a special election with nothing else on the ballot. Meanwhile, in a nearby white precinct, the number of voters dropped by nearly half.
A similar increase has been evident in Southern states with presidential primaries this year. In South Carolina, the black vote in the primary more than doubled from 2004, to 295,000, according to exit poll estimates. In Georgia, it rose to 536,000 from 289,000.
One expert on African-American politics, David A. Bosi
One expert on African-American politics, David A. Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, called those numbers ''almost astounding.'' Black turnout also shot up in states like Maryland, Virginia and Louisiana, even after Hurricane Katrina had driven many Louisianians out of state.
Larry J. Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said: ''This is going to encourage the purplization of red states. It's going to make red states purplish over time.''
Black voters made up a larger percentage of Democratic primary voters this year in several states than in the last two presidential election years, according to exit polls conducted by Edison/Mitofsky for the National Election Pool of television networks and The Associated Press this year and in 2004, and by the Voter News Service in 2000. In Maryland, for example, black voters rose to 47 percent of the total, up from 35 percent in 2004 and 28 percent in 2000.
Ronald W. Walters, a professor of government and politics at the University of Maryland, who worked for the 1984 presidential campaign of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, said of Mr. Obama, ''He's generated a tremendous force in American political culture outside the electoral system.''
Still, it would take a shift in the electoral dynamic -- a substantial stumble by John McCain, for instance -- for Mr. Obama to put in play a state like Mississippi, where whites gave John Kerry only about 15 percent of their vote in 2004 and where voting in presidential elections is perhaps more racially polarized than anywhere else in the nation. Even with a heavy black turnout, Mr. Bositis estimated, Mr. Obama would have to increase his white percentage by at least a third, to about 20 percent, to win the state.
''I don't anticipate him winning Mississippi,'' Mr. Bositis said, even though it has a higher percentage of blacks than any other state, 36 percent.
Many of the votes on Tuesday for Mr. Childers -- an anti-abortion, pro-gun-rights Democrat -- were from whites who will in all likelihood pull the lever for Mr. McCain in November, analysts and voters themselves say.
''Obama, he's too off-the-wall,'' said Chappell Sides, a white Republican-leaning voter in Yalobusha County who said he was preparing to punch the button for Mr. Childers on Tuesday. ''Hillary -- I thought I hated her, till Obama came along.''
Bruce Oppenheimer, a political scientist at Vanderbilt University, said the question was not so much whether Mr. Obama would carry Mississippi as whether he would force Republicans to spend time and money in the state.
Yet one sure lesson of the surprising Congressional result from northern Mississippi is that the use of Mr. Obama as an electoral tactic -- Republicans resorted to it heavily in the contest -- is at best a double-edged sword. At worst it is a guillotine for Republican candidates in areas with substantial black populations, like the Mississi
Yet one sure lesson of the surprising Congressional result from northern Mississippi is that the use of Mr. Obama as an electoral tactic -- Republicans resorted to it heavily in the contest -- is at best a double-edged sword. At worst it is a guillotine for Republican candidates in areas with substantial black populations, like the Mississippi district won by Mr. Childers, where 26 percent are African-American. Indeed, Tuesday's Mississippi vote emerged as a case study in the effects and consequences of focusing on Mr. Obama.
''We realized the Republican machine was on the attack,'' said Mr. Buck, the state representative who helped Mr. Childers. ''They wanted to say he was tied to Barack Obama. The question we asked was, What's wrong with that? We wanted to prove to them that there's nothing wrong in Mississippi with a person being tied to Barack Obama.''
Between an initial vote on April 22, when Mr. Childers fell just shy of getting the 50 percent he needed to win, and Tuesday's runoff election, when he won with a decisive 54 percent, the Republican campaign to link Mr. Childers with Mr. Obama intensified, with a barrage of advertisements specifically on that theme. Perhaps not coincidentally, vote totals in counties with large black populations went up sharply between those two dates. In Marshall County, which is 48.8 percent black, the votes nearly doubled, to 5,083. In Clay County, 56.8 black, nearly 1,500 more people voted, pushing the total to 3,898.
The attacks on Mr. Obama clearly had a galvanizing effect, local officials said. ''The people I talked to said, 'Man, I don't like that they're trying to use Obama against him,' '' said Eric Powell, a black state senator who helped in voter turnout efforts. ''It actually helped Travis.''
s/b = should be
The best punishment for these pigs is that they are who and what they are:
May 16, 2008
"What a Way to Mark Independence Day"
Paramilitary Police Attack Al-Nakba March
By JONATHAN COOK
Nazareth.
http://www.counterpunch.org/
cook...ok05162008.html
president insane:
'in my administration there will be a 2/11 and the bombs will drop on the perpetrators already determined to be iran and syria.'
2/11/9 will occur because the offices of the president and v-p and both houses of congress will be the same as during the 2 admins of doofus. amurderka has a unitary govt - jewry.
of course, jewry may overcome whatever is in the way currently and a 6/11 or 7/11 will be created.
From the Jonathan Cook article linked above:
"For decades our community was banned from remembering publicly what happened to us as a people during the Nakba. Our teachers were sacked for mentioning it. We were not even supposed to know that we are Palestinians."
...but to no avail. For all their racist violence and extreme cruelty. the Zionists have not succeeded in liquidating the Palestinian people.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...e=mostpop_story
bin Laden says blowback re US support of Israel's oppression of Palestinians motivated hijackers.
Perhaps a Sunni-Shia race to fight Zionism most effectively will parallel the US-Soviet space race of the 1960s, for Osama might be getting a little envious of Nasrallah.
Amen to that Fritz.
Civilised people respect the fallen of all nations. Those who for political reasons despise and slander those who fell for their own country, degrade and dishonour only themselves.
US taxpayer | 05.15.08 - 9:10 pm
True but the Karaites claim the Talmudic oral law did not exist before Christ and essentially the rabbis created a different Judaism.
lobro | 05.15.08 - 9:27 pm
The Nazis exempted Karaites from
the Nuremberg Laws. since their laws were based on 'racial science' does this mean they believed Karaites were anomalies, or not "racial Jews" even though the Karaites made no such distinction.
UST, this might interest you, guy claims Republicans have video of Michelle Obama ranting against "whitey" at the Rev Wright's church:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/200...from-the-train/
5 dancing shlomos | 05.15.08 - 9:51 pm
I hear the clamor.
rev wright is not a racist. his statements that i have heard, read are true. if michelle obama is elaborating on rev wright's preaching, may allah bless her. more voices are needed.
to abu ghraib with the karl roves.
bismi Allah ar rahman ar rahim
smekhovo | 05.16.08 - 2:39 am
How the Karaites handle such passages is instructive but since
their relations with non-Jewish communities has been non-problematic
and since they were once numerous, this at least complicates the matter.
"I hear the clamor."
Ken Hoop | 05.16.08 - 11:28 am |
mr ken, are you doofususs brain?
those who fell for their own country
smekhovo | 05.16.08 - 11:20 am | #
Most of those who died in 20th century wars were killed for the bankers.
paragraphs from paul c. roberts:
Bellicosity and Hypocrisy in Tel Aviv
Lies of Aggression
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
"On May 15, the White House Moron(aka doofus), in a war-planning visit to Israel, justified the naked aggression he and Olmert are planning against Iran as the only alternative to the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.
But the White House Moron(aka doofus) has the roles reversed. It is not Iran that is threatening war. It is Bush. It is not Bush who is appeasing. It is Iran.
Iran has not responded in kind to any of Bushs warlike moves and provocations. Iran has not sunk a single one of our sitting duck ships and has not given the Iraqi insurgents any weapons that would easily turn the tide of war against the US.
It is Bush, not Iran, who sounds like Adolf Hitler blustering and threatening. It is Bushs American Brownshirts(aka brownshorts), the neocons(aka jewcons/jewkhans), who express the view: whats the good of nuclear weapons if you cant use them.
It is the US(aka amurderka) that is funding assassination teams inside Iran and using taxpayer dollars to fund dissident and violent organizations opposed to the Iranian government. Iran is doing no such thing here"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_(band)
Man, the last time I heard reference to Saga I was driving a Dodge Dart. Not claiming I keep tabs on
the wide array of rock, however.
No clue what the nazis meant, ken.
I think the problem originates in the forever floating definition of jew.
jew is as jew does, so if on one hand zionists see no distinction, why should we?
The nazis were very fair in exempting karaites from labeling and it shows in fact that they were by no means racist.
A jew is hated worldwide because he is a jew, the profiling is entirely social and cultural rather than ethnic and the nazis approach validates that observation.
This whole issue of 'racial science' is nonsense, nazis erred big time in choosing such an unfortunate term.
Could have been an AMC Javelin.
Back in the '80s who could have predicted that PCR almost alone of the Repubs would turn out to be a real patriot?
in discrimine patet virtus
Samaratians are the other Jewish group not to have had chronic problems with others. Of course they have never ventured out of Samaria, have they?
lobro | 05.16.08 - 11:47 am | #
As MacDonald emphasizes, the nazis were mimicking what they understood as jewish racial strategies. Max Nordau, no. #2 zionist after Herzl, was the leading proponent of "racial science" in Germany.
The Samaritans are mostly living in the Entity. They continue to arouse great hostility from jews, though their numbers are dwindling.
Here's a Moslem offshoot, Dancing
Quintuplet.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/asia...odpr/
odpr09.htm
II. THE HĀKIM-GOD
Whimsical Character of al-Ḥakīm:The basic and distinctive dogma of Druze theology is the deification of the young Fāṭimite Caliph (996-1020).
Sunni Moslem historians, such as al-Dhahabi, ibn-al-Athīr, abu-al-Fida, ibn-al-Qalānisi, 1 al-Rūdhrāwari 2 and ibn-Khallikān, 3 remembering him as the heretic who abolished the five pillars of Islam and ordered the names of the early Caliphs associated with a curse in the public prayer, have portrayed him in terms of a medieval Nero, tyrannical and unbalanced to the point of mental derangement. The Christian historians, such as Yaḥya ibn-Saīd, 4 al-Makīn 5 and Bar-Hebraeus, 6 associating his memory with the destruction of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem "leaving not one stone upon another" 7 and the revival of the old regulations,
they despise Israelis, Ken and they never stepped on any toes.
The true jew hatched out of diabolical larva, his one single goal is to bring misery to the world, every word of Talmud bears it out, there is no single instance in unexpurgated version where nonjews are looked upon without hatred, contempt and malicious intent.
Bill W, NH | 05.16.08 - 11:27 am | #
Note the grad student who is proud to be an Amurderkin because we fought Hitler and stopped the Holocaust.
Anyone who's not ashamed to be an American today is an asshole.
from joseph massad via joachim martillo in a comment at mondoweiss(JM, the main reason i go to mondoweiss):
Friday, May 16, 2008
Resisting the Nakba
By Joseph Massad
"The Nakba is in fact much older than 60 years and it is still with us, pulsating with life and coursing through history by piling up more calamities upon the Palestinian people. I hold that the Nakba is a historical epoch that is 127 years old and is ongoing. The year 1881 is the date when Jewish colonisation of Palestine started and, as everyone knows, it has never ended. Much as the world would like to present Palestinians as living in a post-Nakba period, I insist that we live thoroughly in Nakba times. What we are doing this year is not an act of commemorating but an act of witnessing the ongoing Nakba that continues to destroy Palestine and the Palestinians....But in resisting the Nakba, the Palestinians have struck at the heart of the Zionist project that insists that the Nakba be seen as a past event. In resisting Israel, Palestinians have forced the world to witness the Nakba as present action; one that, contrary to Zionist wisdom, is indeed reversible. This is precisely what galls Israel and the Zionist movement. Israel's inability to complete its mission of thoroughly colonising Palestine, of expelling all Palestinians, of "gathering" all Jews in the world in its colony, keeps it uneasy and keeps its project always in the present continuous."
there is no stopping Holocaust, the only remaining profitable sector in USA.
3 hurrays for Holocaust, meth and kosher meat!
Joachim Martillo re joseph massad @ above post:
He actually explains why I prefer the term holoexaleipsis.
Nakba suggests a specific calamity that occurred in a specific time-frame. In point of fact Palestinians and to a lesser extent non- or anti-Zionist Jews were subjected to a process of erasure (exaleipsis) that started in the nineteenth century and that continues to this day.
From http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/0...sphage-
and.html.
We in America really do have to rethink and revise our understanding of the Holocaust, and if we need to identify an archetypal genocide to use as the measure of all other modern genocides, the Holoexaleipsis, which is the Great Erasure that includes the Palestinian Nakba or Catastrophe, provides the best model. It was planned in cold-blood by racist Eastern Europeans during the late 19th century, the first major mass murders and ethnic cleansing took place during 1947-8, and it continues to this day right before our eyes. The Holoexaleipsis includes wholesale demonization of Arabs and Muslims along with the erasure of whole fields of scholarship (including Jewish as well as Arabic and Islamic studies) so that they can be rewritten to justify Zionist and American depredations on the peoples of the Middle East.
In http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/0...dern-
jewry.html .
Despite the claims about the severity of Czarist pogroms, the conscription crisis of 1850-4 probably represented the worst period for Russian Jewry.
Not only did the Russian government incorrectly conclude that the Jewish communities could supply more recruits, but it levied fines well beyond the resources of communities to pay.
In 1854 when Czar Nicholas I finally realized that the situation was intolerable, he abated both the fines and the levies of conscripts.
While conditions for Russian Jewry came nowhere near the persecution and oppression that Palestinians have suffered since the creation of the State of Israel, by the death of Nicholas in 1855, traditional Russian Jewish communal structures had shattered.
I am uncomfortable with the way Russian pogroms are discussed in the USA now that no one really has any memory of 19th century Czarist Russia.
Jews were not the only targets. In a few notable cases Jews incited pogroms against economic competitors. Not every pogrom was really a pogrom. Some of the violence resulted criminal gang wars, and in a few cases, pogroms were a reaction to Jewish white-slaving.
But I suspect that a lot of the Jewish discourse on pogroms was meant to distract from the reality of Jewish terrorist groups that engaged in assassination, sabotage, and attempts of violent overthrow of the government.
In http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/0...-lobby-
and.html , I ask whether Harvard should fire Ruth Wisse for moral turpitude.
The Modern Jewish Canon by Ruth Wisse (Harvard University) provides a particularly good
cont...
The Modern Jewish Canon by Ruth Wisse (Harvard University) provides a particularly good example of using Jewish Studies as a soapbox to serve Zionist racism and to demonize Palestinians or Arabs in general. She writes on p. 98.
"The logic of language imposed itself on the kindred writers, Kafka and Brenner, to spectacularly different ends. Brenner's hero Hefetz went mad within the security of Hebrew while his author was murdered by Arab assailants who imported the pogrom politics of Europe into the Middle East."
We all know that there were problems between the native Palestinian population and the Ashkenazi colonists, but to claim that the Palestinians were importing pogrom politics from Europe is over the top, corresponds to the most extreme Revisionist defamation of the native population and was not the opinion of most of the Zionist leadership. She could simply have stated that Arab assailants killed Hefetz during the violence of 1929. Anything more crosses the boundary into propaganda, and one has to question the decision to inject Zionist anti-Palestinian politics into a book that is supposed to be a semi-scholarly survey of modern Jewish literature.
Her comment also shows the typical Zionist lack of imagination. The racist anti-Arab nonsense in The Modern Jewish Canon almost looks plagiarized from Hitler's Professors, for Max Weinreich unfortunately and irrelevantly incorporated almost identical bigotry into his rather useful book. He probably unconsciously absorbed these ideas from the standard 1930s Zionist anti-Palestinian propaganda.
Posted by: Joachim Martillo | May 16, 2008 at 07:44 AM
Wakim is one of the (very) few righteous jews.
I'm not ashamed to be an american. I'm not at all happy that my government has been taken over by a bunch of liars and crooks. But I can't see too many countries out there that aren't in the position. I guess by your definition Taxes I'm an assholes, so we both are asshole now because the day before yesterday you established you were one.
Nordau was famous for denouncing "entartete Kunst" on medical grounds (Freud became even more so for doing something similar).
Someone with a strong stomach should compile an anthology of zionist propaganda and call it "The Modern Jewish Cannon".
Ken - couldn't find more, this must be another SAGA (different style than the Canadian), the singer is from Sweden and they're somehow connected to screwdriver - nationalist band. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?
v=dT...feature=related
(with Ian Stuart now gone to Valhalla)
Laurie | 05.16.08 - 12:18 pm | #
misery loves company
I just hated to see you all alone being a fellow american.
a question that never came to me:
ISRAELS INDEPENDENCE FROM WHOM?
Desertpeace May 14, 2008
July 4th is Independence Day in the United States. A day when the countrys Fathers set fourth a Declaration of Independence
from British rule.
India also declared its independence from British rule in 1947.
Finland declared its independence from Russian rule in 1917.
In the early part of the last century Mexico declared its independence from Spain.
The list is endless
. country after country declaring themselves free from the grips of another
.
On May 14th, 1948, the 'Peoples Council of the Land of Israel declared the following
ACCORDINGLY, WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLES COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
Termination of the British Mandate over Eretz- Israel (Land of Israel)??? What 'Land of Israel??? Whatever happened to 'The Land of Palestine???
In 1938, Mahatma Gandhi wrote the following
"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French
What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct
If they [the Jews] must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs
As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regard as an unacceptable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds." Mahatma Gandhi, quoted in "A Land of Two Peoples" ed.
So just who was Israel declaring their independence from? The British had no control over 'their country, according to THIS report the country was populated by Palestinians at the time
not Israelis.
all good things must end. the damnable owner of this computer wants to go. and so shall i.
good friday. blessings to all.
The Us are occupied like Germany and West bank Gaza.
This is an example of why I think Joachim Martillo is not halal. He is not consistent with his criticism.
Her comment also shows the typical Zionist lack of imagination. The racist anti-Arab nonsense in The Modern Jewish Canon almost looks... When he says typical zionist lack of imagination, isn't this racist? The one thing you have to give the zios is that they come up with creative ways to twist and stretch the truth. So on the one hand he engages in stereotyping but complains about the zionist when they engage in it.
If he believes what he says he should apply it across the board.
I miss Xdu, lightness and wit.
You're not going to let a zionazi weasel like Dundee drive you away are you Xdu?
Laurie, the rigidity your nationalism reminds me of this video...
"Stick Magnetic Ribbons on Your SUV"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Km...h?
v=KmsOIjzQ1V8
minus self-irony, humour and grace, of course.
we've got lots more like that over here Xeno
what a bore
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05...6/mary-tillman/
Pat Tillman said Rachel Corey was his hero.
http://www.rachel-corrie.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Boots-
Grou...ntiwarbookstore
I should add examples of what Nordau called sick, degenerate artists - Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Verlaine, Zola.
but that's very bad today:
Nationalists act out against degenerate art in Lund, Sweden
http://www.den-svenske.com/
natio..._in_sweden.html
Laurie | 05.16.08 - 12:18 pm
Maybe she is caveating because e.g. she has a husband like Michelle "never proud of America until"..Obama planning on making a move.
Xenophile | 05.16.08 - 1:18 pm - If I ever see any self-irony, humour, grace or wisdom from you, I'll take your comment to heart. I don't cut and run. That maybe more of post nazi trait.
I meant racial also, laurie, in that cultural health requires a founding- and-maintaining ethnic core.
Laurie was that "u" in humor a bow to Xeno?
The only time I use it,without pretension,is when I cite Donovan's "Colours."
It's the british way of spelling it. I was going to call him on it, but I figure I was hard enough on the little weasel.
I understand were you are coming from but I know people of different races that I really, really respect and I want them on my team.
Xenophobia means healthy mistrust of the other and the West-in-decline rule is,if you're in a healthy Western political movement, the powers that be will call it "xenophobic." Spengler and me won't compromise like your antagonist.
Name a notable if not famous member of another race you wan't on your American team. Walter Williams won't join it.
It's everyday people I see that I respect. It's the person on the street that does the right thing.
With what team is your team contesting and about what?
Something to be proud of:
"Federal investigators provided documentation for a former Agriprocessors employee, identified in the affidavit as Source #7, for the purpose of gaining employment at the plant. Once hired, the source reported on rabbis who insulted the workers and threw meat at them."
A sit-com in the works?
Well we know the rabbis didn't throw pork on Islamic hirees.
smekh, in what way did Nordau consider them sick and degenerate?
I imagine that most of them may have been homosexual but I don't consider that trait either sick or even degenerate, being beyond a person's ability to influence the outcome, and I will let Dundee Joe go to bat on that.
Zionism is sick and perverted and degenerate because it
1) aims to inflict maximal injury on a largely unknown group of people, simply because they fall outside the tribal bounds, and
2) falls within the person's scope to resist.
Dundee Joe would have hard time defending this one.
I just listened to a lecture "On Moral Duty" by Cicero. My team would consist of people who adhere to those principles.
Many of Farrakhan's folks are moral
and industrious, but I don't want them on "my team" and they don't want me on theirs.
1) aims to inflict maximal injury on a largely unknown group of people, simply because they fall outside the tribal bounds
No, because that group contests them for land.
true only if you consider the entire Earth to be "land".
Jews own huge tracts of property all across the globe and wouldn't in their wildest dreams relinquish a square centimeter of it, in fact they covet yours (wherever you are).
Just the nature of the Talmudist beast, you got something? He wants it and considers it his sacred privilege and duty to dispossess you.
Palestinians demonstrate the rule, not the exception.
http://reactor-core.org/imperium.html
It was precisely in the fields of economics and law that the Liberal doctrine had the most destructive effects on the health of the Western Civilization. It did not matter much that esthetics became independent, for the only art-form in the West which still had a future, Western Music, paid no attention to theories and continued on its grand creative course to its end in Wagner and his epigones. Baudelaire is the great symbol of l'art pour l'art: sickness as beauty. Baudelaire is thus Liberalism in literature, disease as a principle of Life, crisis as health, morbidity as soul-life, disintegration as purpose. Man as individualist, an atom without connections, the Liberal ideal of personality.
It was precisely in the fields of economics and law that the Liberal doctrine had the most destructive effects on the health of the Western Civilization. It did not matter much that esthetics became independent, for the only art-form in the West which still had a future, Western Music, paid no attention to theories and continued on its grand creative course to its end in Wagner and his epigones. Baudelaire is the great symbol of l'art pour l'art: sickness as beauty. Baudelaire is thus Liberalism in literature, disease as a principle of Life, crisis as health, morbidity as soul-life, disintegration as purpose. Man as individualist, an atom without connections, the Liberal ideal of personality.
Yockey on Baudelaire.
why did the jew arrive in the New World, except to enslave, exterminate and pollute people with booze, while reaping maximum profit?
Seems like somewhat roundabout road to 'next year in Jerusalem'.
lobro | 05.16.08 - 3:29 pm
Diaspora Jews are characterized by a lack of kinship to the land and to owning it outright.
Let people divide themselves in anyway they want. I just don't want the state telling me who I have to share my life with.
Laurie suddenly lessened emphasis on the team player concept.
"Wagner and his epigones."
I'd like to believe Yockey included Draeseke here,but he never mentioned him in print.
both paragraphs sound impressive, maybe even true, don't know much about baudlaire, except that the program as stated is surely grist for jew mill.
maybe all of this was a necessity a grand purge, and jew provided the catalyst that fermented the swill until the stomach heaved.
we may be at the forefront of the social reflux.
Ken you are the guy who thought having muslim extremist in the U.S was a good idea, not me. They would only fight with the christian and jewish extremists. One color extremist isn't any better in my book than another color extremist.
lobro
you've heard the expression
"the transmission belt of revolution?"
Laurie
You mean you don't want a Muslim on "your team" against Zionist control of US foreign policy?!
Lobro
it might help if Laurie understood Jewish "extremists" are much of the power elite "rooted conservatives."
Don't move the goal posts. You said extremist originally. The end doesn't justify the means. Just because he's my SOB, doesn't make it right.
As a Palestinian or Iraqi Rodney King might say in respect to Yanks "can't they all just (not) get along?"
http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSi...s.aspx?
id=43717
Here's one who refuses to.
What you say about the end not justifying the means--do you believe I give a rats' ass if a Muslim "extremist" living here says his ultimate goal is to implant Shariah Law in America as long as his short term goal is to get America out of the Mideast>
Does George Soros donate anything to CAIR?
That might be a test of American Jewish sincerity.
I also said originally that a healthy society is homogeneous to a large extent. It doesn't have to be 100%. That is why I don't buy the multicultural business (my cosmopolitanism aside).
I've got to go, my friends daughter has her prom tonight.
Homogenuous cultural health in America can only be restored after a
gargantuan economic catastrophe or military defeat.
Islam has proved over the course of centuries to be able to coexist peacefully and productively with Christianity, so there is no reason to tar all the "extremists" with the same brush.
Today's brand of Muslim "extremism" is a relatively modern phenomenon, arisen in reaction to severe oppression, whether by outside forces or homegrown tyrants and may be expected to subside when the circumstances normalize.
Jewish "extremism", on the other hand, is endogenous to the extent that without it, the concept of Jewishness loses its vitality.
Jew is a Jew only if in conflict with the rest of humanity, and he doesn't consider them human precisely in order to keep the eternal Luciferian flame going and for that reason any amount of appeasement is doomed to fail, his greatest enemy is the one trying hardest to be his friend.
I think that the best way to summarize it is that to him, there is no existence without 'existential dread'.
When you click on Skunk's website you get this:
"In a highly unusual move the Judicial website has been shut down by what appears to be a military order. You have to wonder what was so exciting about a website that basically discusses articles that come off Reuters, the Washington Post, CNN, etc, and adds an opinion.
This really gets down to a 'Freedom of Speech' issue."
lobro and family,
It's good to see that you are all still fighting the good fight.
I became seriouly ill some months ago and am beginning to return to my former healthy self. I hope to soon have the time to contribute my hummble opinions concerning the international wasteland called Israel with it's many colorful inhabitants and citizens.
Yours,
Hi tigs, health to you.
WHERE BUSH IS LOVED
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle19940.htm
as a former Knesset speaker, MK Reuven Rivlin, put it Thursday, "I
wish our leaders would make speeches like this." Rivlin described Bush
as "manifesting the Zionist vision."
Contrary to the applause Bush received for his address, the speech by
Prime Minister Olmert was less popular and stirred considerable
controversy...
Hendel issued a statement calling on Olmert "to learn from the
president of the United States what Zionism is.
Could it be the Chabad meth factory story that led them to close judicial biz? It's very important to keep this story out of the public eye, considering the implications.
Ausslaenderfreundlich, wir Amerikaner sind nicht alle so stur wie eine gewisse Hexe!
Hi Tig,
I'm so sorry to hear that you weren't well but I'm very happy that you're feeling better and glad to hear you will be rejoining us soon. Then the only 'regular' (though none of us really fit that description) people we'll be missing is RB and Cal.
john adams's summing up of cheney's character -
"a mongrel between polecat and worm, begotten by a tick on a pig."
Lobro: so there is no reason to tar all the "extremists" with the same brush. Have you committed any of these? (rhetorical question)
Within Sharia law, there are a group of "Haram" offenses which carry severe punishments. These include pre-marital sexual intercourse, sex by divorced persons, post-marital sex, adultery, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. Haram sexual offenses can carry a sentence of stoning to death or severe flogging.
http://www.religioustolerance.or...g/
islsharia.htm
To me an extremist is an extremist.
http://newphoenicia.blogspot.com...s-60-
years.html
good blog and list
Laurie
you are a tenderfoot in the science of mega-politics.
US taxpayer | 05.16.08 - 6:58 pm
Huh?
http://iamthewitness.com/
speaking of innocuous shut downs, where is the evidence on this Judicial lookalike site these women killers, especialy Olga Rutterschmidt, are Jews?
I am what I am. I'm going to be honest and let the chips fall and I wouldn't try to use anyone or any group. If I did, how would I differ from the zionist?
What do you mean by "use?"
befriend someone only as long as I thought it was in my interest.
from Juan Cole
"The US is cutting off relations with Iraqi politician and notorious embezzler and liar Ahmad Chalabi for the fourth time. This time the issue is said to be his deteriorating relations with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and his closeness to Brig. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, head of the Jerusalem (Quds) Brigades of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Actually my suspicion is that Chalabi is supporting the Mahdi Army of Muqtada al-Sadr and that is the real reason for the tension with him. Sadr wants the US out on a short timetable and opposes the passage of an oil law that the Bush administration desperately wants.
Chalabi good guy "user" of Jewish neocons or bad guy/crook?
Laurie,you're too unworldy for mega-politics. Ever steal a guy from another gal? Maybe not for mini-politics. (Politics is the art of acquiring power, whether for good or bad purposes)
Chalabi could pass through a key hole: bad guy.
At 8:42 PM, Anonymous said...
Juan Chalabi is the Iraqi Robin Hood. He stole from the rich baath appeasing Jordanians, did 'taqiyah' to the americans to get rid of Saddam by talking nonsense about setting up a secular pro israel iraq, which he knew to be impossible, and can now stroll into Sadr City unharmed. He also lives outside the GZ unlike all the other carbet baggers.
I think you are really mistaken in somehow singling him out as some sort of corrupt monster when in comparison to the other thieves, he at least has many good virtues, at least in the eyes of the iraqi people. He was never an ex baathist, unlike many still in the GZ, he got caught spying for Iran, which boosts his islamist credentials and he must be doing something right for the Sadrist street to not hate him like they hate the other so called pious islamists.
Seriously Juan you always have harsh words for him but as far as iraqis deeply corrupt political elite goes, he isnt that bad. It is also misleading the way certain people make out like Chalabi led poor wittle amewica into war, with his WMD lies. Bush was planning for this war as early as 2001 and there was no shortage of exiles to say what the Admin wanted them to say in order to implicate Saddam in WMD scandals.
Chalabi was simply the best placed to take advantage. Trust me Juan, the US was going to war, with or without Chalabi. Halliburtons upturn in fortunes is a testament to the powers that really made this war happen, and lets not forget Israel.
Chalabi was not that important in the equation compared to these mammoth lobbies. Their interests come first and they said war, and war it was.
Never needed to steal
tigs, happy to see you back, you've been missed.
laurie, if an extremist is an extremist to you, then you should be giving equal airtime to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Quatar, Sudan, etc. and abu foxman is right after all, to do otherwise is hypocritical.
As I explained above, that is not the case with me, hence the imbalance.
People I trust: Xymphora, Lobro, US Taxpayer and 5 Dancing Shlomos.
People I don't trust : Dundee Joe Hoop, Ken and Laurie Hoop.
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=171794
nobody wants to explicate bin Laden's
anti-Israeli pro-Palestinian message here. maybe "friend" will.
lobro I have tried to point out that not all forms of islam practiced are benign but because people don't want to hear it, i don't press the issue. I always try to be consistent.
http://www.motionbox.com/video/p...28?
iid=shothpub
at 6:45 of this video Martillo makes the point that the USA has little authority to "moderate" Islam so long as its policy is directed the ethnic fundamentalism of extremist jews.
Pipes gets applause for asserting that Israel is not a threat to the United States.
Ken and Laurie Hoop
ROFLAO
is directed by the
US taxpayer | 05.16.08 - 8:55 pm - idiot
ken, let me translate this message into English:
blahblablah blaaa blah-bla-blaaa, blallah blablahblah, ...
The fight for the Palestinian cause was the most important factor driving al-Qaida's war with the West and fueled 19 Muslims to carry out the suicide attacks against the U.S. on September 11.
Blahblabla fellow Muslims, blahlalahahaha
The only reason the tape was put out, the deathfight between OBL and Prof. Jones.
The 5 dancing shlomos on the other side of Lincoln bridge were celebrating this giant victory for Palestinians.
laurie, i could likewise spend all my time talking about Rev. Jim Jones.
For some reason, I don't.
But it doesn't make his type go away or any less dangerous. I don't believe there were any countries sanctioning his behavior either, at least not since the inquisition. Saudi Arabia still cuts off hands in the Queens souk in Jeddah, at least they were doing it when I was there.
The Hoop family is having fun poking at the goyim. It's something they all joke about when they attend sin-ogogue.
friend you must be a talmudist, because your twisting the facts and avoiding the point. Truth is not your friend.
what happened to Cal? why did he take off?
Both my father and my son at on e time or another worked in ultra conservative countries like Saudi and Qatar and I can tell you that hand cutting was not a sport, it was applied in an impartial fashion to all thieves equally, regardless of religion.
So, what gives? Harsh punishment was/is popular among populace and for this reason you can leave your wallet or a gold watch in a public tplace and pick it up tomorrow.
Someone doesn't like it, they can always move to Israel where Jews are treated with utmost kindness at all times, regardless of crime, all others subject to arbitrary arrest, imprisonment, torture and killing, regardless of innocence.
Strange that someone would put the 2 systems into the same trash can.
Over here in Canada, the system imprisoned Zundel, broke him financially, then deported him to another prison, all for speaking the truth, when some gay priest avers that Jesus was also gay, everyone goes, hahaha, what a joke.
Each to his own, I say, but what gets my goat is inequality, prejudice, bias, justice that is not blind, and the shining examples of that are
1) Israel,
2) USA and its lickspittle lackeys, Europe and Canada.
I write about what pisses me off, and it is the above, you are free to spend as much time as you see fit going off about Islam, although there are numerous sites devoted to the sins of "islamofascism".
a good analogy for this debate is to ask yourself which do you consider a greater threat, Ebola virus or cancer and why.
Welcome back, Tiger Eye.
spoke with a well-informed Sudanese this evening; shared my conjecture that the war on Islam is all about destroying a civilization based on the prohibition of usury for the benefit of the bankers; he confirms that this view is widely held in Islamic world; Chicago School ersatz "Islamic banking" has been promoted heavily for this purpose, sept. 11 attacks were used to shut down legitimate Islamic banking practices.
good day Tiger Eye, wish you good health again. sometimes leaning on a tree.
taxpayer, Cal was upset that one didn't believe, that Iwan the terrible, Stalin and Putin were all alike enemies of the Ukrainian nation and pseudo- Jews, something like that, exaggerated kooking history. Because Putin is rather good for Russia, most say, although Moscow is expensive and wealth distributed not to all. Ukrainians were not only and the only victims in Bolshevist time but also in leading positions, generals and in the Red army as against. History isn't that easy there, wasn't all wrong what he said. He considers Solshenizyn as a Russian chauvinist. Cant follow that.
well, taxes, so the theory that OBL would have wanted to shut down usury-free Islamic banking doesn't make sense in the context of OBL the Muslim but certainly does in the context of OBL the Zion asset, doesn't it?
It all depends on which OBL does the talking.
thanks Fritz
I can understand Cassandra's Russophobia as an Estonian, but the hysteria in Germany against Putin has gotten ridiculous
the Sudanese fellow also informed me that Darfur is the most important producer in the world of arabic gum, which has many applications in food and industry
he also believes that Wahabism is a heresy being used to discredit Islam, most Sudanese are sufi apparently
OBL has declared war on Hezbo, yet another common point of interest with Ziostan and USA
I would call them OBL1 and OBL2, with a high likelihood of OBL1 being long dead and OBL2 having a cubicle in Herzliya.
The financial extremists know, that with the banking in their hands, they enslave the people, as was written in the OT bible somewhere. Money becomes the first value, it devalues nature, and evaluates humans only by the quantity of what they get. Germanic values are not comparable with this alien system. We should listen to the voice of blood.
when these so-called terrorists not able to ever show their face in public, how difficult is it to create virtual doppelgangers, I mean, what do these agencies do with their huge budgets?
I'd fire the bunch of them if they weren't doing just that.
Another piece of the puzzle fits in:
In NY the Halakha of the Moser Trumps the Law of the Land
In places of Judaic dominance such as NY we are increasingly seeing that rabbinic law (halakha) trumps the law of the land in cases such as the one reported below, the case of the herpes-infected mohel from 2005, in numerous cases of rabbinic child molestation, fraud and others.
It is strictly forbidden to moser [inform the non-Judaic authorities on] either a Jewish person or his property. One who mosers a Jewish person or his property has no share in the world to come. (Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat, 388 )
So, why was Elliot Spitzer mosered, then?
I once knew a guy by name of Moser, who even though possessing the physiognomy swore that he was not a Jew, which now starts to make sense.
He won't share in what's to come, good for him.
surely he got paranoid, but that is a classic:
Marcus Tullius Cicero. First century B.C. Roman statesman, writer.
"Softly! Softly! I want none but the judges to hear me. The Jews have already gotten me into a fine mess, as they have many other gentleman. I have no desire to furnish further grist for their mills." (Oration in Defense of Flaccus)
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au...g.au/
repute.htm
(via Iraq war - famous paranoids - classic quotes)
linguistic: "mosern" (to moser), is in the bajuwarian language 1 a name, 2 means "to blear, grumble,grouse, gripe" but 3 can have the meaning of the mauricepinay article, in the speaking of vagrant merchants, tricksters probably.
Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....
Wagner was Nordau's ultimate bugbear of course - but I was making the point that Nordau was king of militant philistines, even when his jew wasn't being gored.
I love the word tenderfoot, reminds me of hobbit names.
Welcome back and best of health, Tiger Eye.
Laurie | 05.16.08 - 3:06 pm |
Laurie, Dear,
if you read my post carefully, i said:
"THE RIGIDITY of your nationalism reminds me of this video [...] minus self-irony, humour and grace, of course."
Ironies of ironies! Your angry reply indicates a personal deficit in self-irony, humour and grace. And this without me having to point it out.
Opinion inbreeding, like cultural inbreeding, can only lead to aberrations, so take my rough with my smooth and cut me some slack for I'm good-willed. Bises, Xeno.
Tiger Eye | 05.16.08 - 6:27 pm |
Welcome back, Tiger Eye.
X | 05.16.08 - 5:13 pm |
Freak, X is right, The_Skunk's website is down:
This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the support department as soon as possible, and please have your site name ready.
Tiger-Eye, glad you are back, hope all is well with you & yours. Cheers!
Xenophile, you thought the video was humorless? I didn't and therefore it was a very logical on my part to take the 'minus' as meaning that you felt I was without those traits especially after saying my attitude toward my country was rigid. You called my attitude rigid even after I said I wasn't at all happy with my government. I believe I interpreted fairly what you wrote. I think you didn't write what you meant. English isn't your mother tongue and even if it was people make mistakes. I will learn from this though and question what you mean in the future before I react angrily.
So, why was Elliot Spitzer mosered, then?
lobro | 05.16.08 - 11:26 pm | #
The moser was mosered.
"...impartial fashion to all thieves equally, regardless of religion." - That's the theory, that's not the practice. Who you are makes as big as difference to them as it does to us. And let's not forget the main point which is, is hand cutting off or stoning reasonable considering the crime?
"Harsh punishment was/is popular among populace" - So is capital punishment in america but something tells me you aren't quite as forgiving about it here.
"Strange that someone would put the 2 systems into the same trash can." - an objective look at the two systems suggest that there are aspects of both that belong there. I want to reiterate that I am speaking of Haram offenses within sharia law which was clearly stated in the text I posted.
So what you are saying lobro that if I bring up a point of criticisms about islam I belong on a site for islamophobes. Just like the zio's who scream antisemitic at those who criticize israel. Or is it all a matter of degree? In other words we can talk all day about the real sins of israel, the jews and idiots like Hagee and because it's the truth we are not antisemitic but if I occasionally point out that islam has some sins, then I'm a racist islamophobe...ya right tell me about the search for truth.
"Opinion inbreeding, like cultural inbreeding" - this is an interesting statement Xeno. Pls. give me an example of cultural inbreeding.
Today's Germany or today's USA, for instance.
Any totalitarian democracy of the Western empire can give you examples of the absurd homogeneity among men. Furthermore, the totalitarian system of enforced conformity (of which your nationalism is a good instrument)leaves few breathing space for spontaneity.
Mind you, the differences among men are much greater than those between men and animals, so to my taste all the exitement about 'multiculturalism' is just a tad too superficial and hoi polloish.
People I trust: Xymphora, Lobro, US Taxpayer and 5 Dancing Shlomos.
People I don't trust : Dundee Joe Hoop, Ken and Laurie Hoop.
Friend of the Goyim | 05.16.08 - 8:38 pm | #
People Dundee Joe trusts on this site? To tell the truth, nobody. You're just a bunch of raving neo-Nazi homophobes.
At least I've achieved one thing. Which was to see off that bitch nobody wanted just by telling her to fuck off! Instead of being grateful to me for doing your dirty work and getting rid off the crazy poetry-writing cunt, what do I get? More fucking abuse.
For your information, US Taxpayer, I don't need any fucking dating service. I've got a 19-year-old guy shacked up with me right now, a really gorgeous partner, and it's a deep and loving relationship. Got that?
If there was homogeneity in the west, we wouldn't be arguing the merits of diversity. I agree with you that our governments are trying to impose totalitarian thought on us and that is a big reason why I'm here. And why I argue so vigorously because even if my ideas were wrong, I have a right to be wrong. I really wish I could invite you to my house, my neighborhood, my america and show you what I see.
Congrats, Dundee Jane.
Laurie, my impression is that 'diversity' AND assimilation are promoted by the same groups, although in the surface there is the appearance of dispute.
As I see it, both multiculti and assimilation are logically exclusive and offer a perfect means of social control and engineering thogh a strategy of tension. This false dialectics between newcomers and nationals, when iterated long enough, will exhaust all parties and result in the desired one-world outcome, that is absolute homogeneity and domination.
There are economic forces pushing demographic changes, but cultural changes are ENTIRELY driven by our Western elites. A perfect top down process of social engineering if ever there was one.
My beef is that this is driven by an unworthy "elite" lacking the benefit of a higher ethics and in hypocritical disrespect to their proferred mantras of democracy and legitimacy.
I agree with you. The question is how do we resist. My thought is that if we allow mass migrations, the elite will have achieved their goal of homogeneity and centralization. I also don't believe there is a free market and that unbiased economic forces are at work. Take NAFTA for instance. That favors big agri-business at the expense of the little guy. The small mexican & american farmer was basically run off their land with the flooding of their commodity market by the big guys. The elites/bankers know what they are doing. The more they can centralize the things we need to live on the more control they have. I don't believe for one minute that the Rothschilds bought up small indian farms for the good of the indians. Or that their mega farms are meant to feed the world. They are interested in money/power.
The word 'tolerance' presupposes conflict. The elite understand this and use it.
Congrats, Dundee Jane.
Xenophile | 05.17.08 - 8:19 am | #
You're not as smart as you think, asshole. You can't even make your meaning clear.
Both Marcus Gee, in the Globe and Mail, and John Gray in a review of a book by Tony Judt in the Guardian, have recently gone out of their way to rubbish the idea of a single non-racist state encompassing all of Palestine. I find this encouraging: the idea must be gaining traction.
At least I've achieved one thing. Which was to see off that bitch nobody wanted just by telling her to fuck off! Instead of being grateful to me for doing your dirty work and getting rid off the crazy poetry-writing cunt, what do I get? More fucking abuse.
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 7:55 am | #
Way to go Xdu, you've handed this troll a victory.
Ken Hoop, this is for you:
"300"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=l...feature=related
Everyone contributes on this site.
Xenophile offers penetrating analysis.
Xenophile | 05.17.08 - 8:19 am | #
For his part Dundee J*# with his compensatory use of the f -word gives us a nice illustration of the kind of post-jewish pseudo-machismo that Yeshayahu Liebowitz warned against and that Zionism celebrates.
Shoot any children lately, tough guy? Just not enough hours in the day for a lip-smacking polesmoker, huh?
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3169556,00.html
Tel Aviv and gay people are a perfect fit, an Israel Hotel Association (IHA) official said.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
200...ar_to_0818.html
Star of gay adult films to entertain Israeli troops
Published: Friday August 18, 2006
Shoot any children lately, tough guy? Just not enough hours in the day for a lip-smacking polesmoker.
US taxpayer | 05.17.08 - 9:52 am | #
What is a "polesmoker"? Or is it something you can't tell a lady?
Dundee can tell you.
I am not very far from believing that Dundee Joe, Xanadu and Lalara are all hypostases of the same protean and many-gendered impostor.
The thought crossed my mind too, smekhovo.
Uncouth as he is, Dundee Jane seems the more genuine of the lot.
I don't need any fucking dating service
Dundee Joe |05.17.08 - 7:55 am|
I thought that dating came first but Dundee Joseph obviously belongs to a different tribe.
I once hypothesized that some seminar group was poking the posters using preset identities but the idea was quickly rejected by Xanadu.
There may be 3 people comprising the group, 1: Xanadu-Lalara, 2: Irma-Miriam, 3: DundeeJoe and possibly others, although 2 and 3 may in fact be one and the same Jewish drag queen.
Kind of a fun distraction at times.
In that case Irma Kleckstein, Miriam K, and Ruth Bernstein might be the same person; we know who Ruth and Irma are (previous thread).
I've got a 19-year-old guy shacked up with me right now...
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 7:55 am | #
smekh is right, this is way over the top.
Friend of the Goyim | 05.16.08 - 8:38 pm | #
fotg, another new arrival, seems to have a pretty good sense of the roster.
I wanted the answers from Xanadu to these questions I posed:
"Who will they go after first? It will have to be some group that's not well-liked, then - who's next, and next and next? Who's last? "
Get well soon, Tigs.
I don't think this is the site for a dissertation on Islam's various sects, Ken, interesting though the differences between Druze, Kurds, Ahmadi et al might be.
The fact that Islam is the one cohesive force remaining against all-out domination of the world by financial elites is well established.
The fact that it serves as a bogeyman to frighten Western kiddies into giving up their rights and freedoms is up to you in the West to rectify. I do try to correct misapprehensions as they occur.
Just as it will be up to you to determine who that resides amongst you, Muslim or Jew, is trying to destroy your culture.
lobro | 05.16.08 - 8:59 pm
I see it as emblematic of the American defeat in Iraq, Afghanistan
and a call for Sunnis not to allow Shias to outshine the originals.
Laurie | 05.16.08 - 9:07 pm
How are the Saudis a threat to America?
lobro | 05.16.08 - 8:59 pm
So was Chalabi and he's with the Mahdi Army and Iran now still enjoying the fruits.
Ken Hoop | 05.17.08 - 1:02 pm | #
The Saudis are in bed with the neocons at least re. Iran. Bandar is the prince of neocons.
A democratic revolution in Saudi is to be hoped for.
lobro | 05.16.08 - 9:31 pm
I've tried to be translucent but Laurie should stfu about Islam until American troops have cleared out of the Mideast.
lobro | 05.16.08 - 10:51 pm
The primary reason conspiratologists
here can maunder on, is the main fighting is taking place in Afghanistan and Pakistan now, far afield from Stephen Jones and Co.
US taxpayer | 05.16.08 - 10:55 pm
You can look at it that way or you can use, what is it, the Meyer Wurmser
(sp)consp.theory? Layla might prefer the latter.
lobro | 05.16.08 - 10:58 pm
The myriad websites these messages appear on, their readers and the body and effect of the messages cannot fit into your stilted & narrow theory.
There may be 3 people comprising the group, 1: Xanadu-Lalara, 2: Irma-Miriam, 3: Dundee Joe and possibly others, although 2 and 3 may in fact be one and the same Jewish drag queen.
lobro | 05.17.08 - 11:45 am | #
I must reject all these bizarre speculations. I have come to the conclusion that all these characters, apart from myself, are the SAME PERSON.
I am a genuine poster from Scotland who has been reading this site for over nine months, and I am what I originally claimed to be: a qualified criminologist specialising in forensic profiling. I am NOT a homosexual, but I went along with that fiction because it amused me. I am happily married with two kids. As I explained in a previous post, I am still on sick leave with a broken leg.
My expertise in psychological profiling has made me come to the following conclusions:
(1) that Lalara = Xanadu;
(2) that Miriam K = Irma Kleckstein = Ruth Bernstein;
(3) that Lalara/Xanadu = Miriam K/Irma Kleckstein/Ruth Bernstein
(4) that all peripheral characters (apart from myself) = above set of characters.
(5) that the ONE character spinning this web of deception is fundamentally an ANTI-ZIONIST like myself. She has, I believe, a very strong sense of humour combined with the best possible idealistic motivations.
Proof of this? She has spent NINE-TENTHS of her time posting ANTI-ZIONIST comments, including anti-Zionist poems, whose sincerity would have been hard to imitate and maintain had she been a Zionist shill.
As to your collective desire to see her driven off this site, bar one or two notable exceptions US Taxpayer, Lobro, Righteo I can only speculate that jealousy of her superior literary skills has something to do with it. She had the spotlight on her. Xymphora's website received extra hits because of her. Many of you resented this.
Personally, I had no wish to drive her off this website, but simply wished to amuse myself by playing the same game that she was playing, while I sat here nursing my broken leg.
You see? I don't need to use the f-word. I am, like yourselves, not without advanced qualifications.
I have nothing but praise for those of you who treated her kindly. It's sad to think that most of the commenters here, in particular Xenophile, were too humourless and anally retentive to treat her with tolerance and kindness. You have a knack for driving away talented people, don't you? Why do you keep doing it?
You mean a democratic revolution that
liberalizes Wahabism or merely eliminates the ability of branches of the elite to kowtow to America?
DJ's credentials in forensic profiling another hoax; I agree with 1-5, except that the hoaxster is not a woman.
Why should we believe a proven liar, whether it be jews lamenting their holocausts or Joe putting on another mask?
Ken Hoop | 05.17.08 - 1:28 pm | #
That gives power to the people over against the Americanized elite.
Laurie | 05.17.08 - 6:42 am
You are not in the UK or France; you are in America.
we know who you are, just go away before we tell everyone else
Xenophile | 05.17.08 - 7:42 am
What prevails in America now ,is not "nationalism," despite your liberal pretensions.
One branch of the House of Saud was against any co-operation with America, e.g. allowing the
Persian Gulf war collaboration. Not sure what the power distribution
is now.
MFA
" Druze, Kurds, Ahmadi et al might be...."
Please don't be so careless as to lump ethnicities with religious, nor to imply Druze and Ahmadi are still within Islam.
regarding the 'butler did it' situation with xanadu and all, i certainly never felt either threatened or offended by it, whatever the true status, and i kinda did enjoy poetry however unqualified judge i may be.
grettir is great too.
so come back xanadu (are you a mr. xanadu, by any chance?) and stop pouring beer on your head.
and good luck dundee, whether with your broken leg or 19-year old companion, again, whatever the truth.
if someone threatens me with better literary qualities or better insight, i am grateful for the chance to learn, i am not here in order to win a pissing contest (but i can go further than laurie in that dep't).
From Wikipedia, which you might appreciate Ken
"Theologically, Druze consider themselves "an Islamic Unist, reformatory sect".[6]
"The Druze are considered to be a social group as well as a religion, but not a distinct ethnic group."
The Ahmadis also consider themselves a reformist Islamic group, though their links to mainstream Islam are a lot stronger.
My question might be why you stress the differences within Islam, or the extreme views of a minority of orthodox.
I personally see Islam as more inclusive and tolerant than most give it credit for.
Why should we believe a proven liar, whether it be jews lamenting their holocausts or Joe putting on another mask?
smekhovo | 05.17.08 - 1:31 pm | #
smekhovo,
Good point. But others may choose to believe me in secret while trying to ingratiate themselves with you by pretending to agree with you. The reason for this is that I no longer have any motive for lying, and my closely-argued analysis has the ring of truth otherwise the highly intelligent US Taxpayer would not have agreed with me on ALL FIVE POINTS.
Your rebuttal, however, is no more than a knee-jerk reaction and smacks of sophistry. "Why should we believe a proven liar?" you ask lamely.
Don't friends play practical jokes on each other, and don't newspapers always pull a hoax on April Fools day? Don't tell me you are so humourless that you think these parties have forfeited ALL credibility forever for pulling a single lighthearted prank?
US Taxpayer,
Thanks with agreeing with 99 percent of my analysis.
In regard to the sex of the imposter, that can never be known for certain. How can I be certain that YOU are a man? And what makes you think that I, Dundee Joe, may not in fact be a woman?
Very funny Mark.
Newspapers return to what passes for normality on April 2, but you, Joe, can never keep up a consistent act for long.
roll out the Turing testing equipment ...
I have always wondered whether I could discern the sex by writing style alone.
I'd like to think that I can, but all bets are off until the identities are finally unmasked.
Similarly, as to the Why should we believe a proven liar?, it is a valid question, generally as valid as Why should we disbelieve a proven liar?
My hunch is that Zionists are so beholden to the practice of lying, from kol nidre onwards that they treat truth with rubber gloves and would prefer to lie at every opportunity - a matter of inverted sense of virtue.
So, if I believe that Dundee is not a Zionist, then my assessment of the probability that at any time he is speaking the truth is no worse than 50%, maybe better, since once he says "I am a liar", he is guaranteed of having spoken the truth on at least one occasion.
Time will tell, stick around DJ and let's see how good my admittedly amateur profiling skills are.
Newspapers return to what passes for normality on April 2 (...)
wishful thinking, smekh.
were that it were true ...
in fact, lying to intelligent people provides the invaluable service of helping to grow a truth radar at the expense of (hopefully) ever diminishing gullibility.
As they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Pardon my sophomoric psychological profiling, Dundee Joe/Jane, but whenever I hear the formulaic proposition: "you disaprove of me because you envy me", my jewdar starts blinking red.
If you are a prankster or a liar, it is a matter of indifferece. Likewise it is indifferent if you are a zionist jew or not: your incapacity to support with facts, logic and arguments a cohesive set of beliefs belies your ultimate lack of integrity which, in turn, make any communication with you a waste of time.
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 2:38 pm - HaHaHa Dun J you're brilliant!!! I never imagined sh*t could be piled so high. Well done. This is my favorite line "In regard to the sex of the imposer, that can never be known for certain" I'd say the morning shave was a clue.
one of my strengths is the ability to admit when I am wrong, although I never had the chance to test it
Laurie, 3:29
Dear lady, your posts never fail to amuse me, and you've done it again. You know very well I am only too pleased that you should confirm my sex as a man. I never said I was a woman, did I?
Admittedly, the morning shave should offer a clue as to masculinity. But one thing you forget, dear madam: intellectuals like me like to grow beards.
lobro | 05.17.08 - 2:30 pm - I happily concede the point.
Man From Atlan | Homepage | 05.17.08 - 2:31 pm
They consider themselves Islamic in the same way as the Summit Lighthouse will tell a potential Christian recruit it considers itself Christian.
neither doubt nor self hatred is our lot, laurie, we arieses are happy warriors.
Here is Mark Glenn posting his alter-ego "Xanadu":
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.co...itual-darkness/
Here is Mark Glenn trying out impersonation of some persona, I don't know who:
Dr David Green Says:
May 10, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I have long been familiar with the work of this talented young poet and academic philosopher who goes under the nom de plume of Xanadu. The wit and intelligence of her political comments are equalled only by the passionate sincerity of her poetry, much of it in flawless rhyme and metre.
It goes without saying that Xanadu has denied the slightest tendency to a crude and unexamined anti-Semitism. I reserve the right to attack the bad Jews, she has pointed out ruefully on more than one occasion, while loving the good Jews with all my heart.
I say, Amen to that. Vive la belle Xanadu! Lets have more poems from her.
Here is Mark Glenn as "Ruth Bernstein":
Ruth Bernstein Says:
May 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm
The poem sucks. Xanadus growing notoriety on a number of websites, I am sorry to say, is out of all proportion to her slender talents. The poem is just a long litany of anti-Semitic canards.
The poet professes to love the good Jews, yet the last line of the poem Thats a thousand years under the heel of the Jew! appears to suggest that ALL Jews are to be held responsible for just about everything bad in the world including rendition prisons, torture camps, water-boarding, pornography, pedophilia, despair, dishonor, leprosy of the soul, bondage and spiritual darkness.
Above all, Xanadu makes the disgraceful allegation that Jews were responsible for 9/11. In my opinion, this amounts to hate speech. It is tantamount to incitement to violence against the Jewish people.
From her various writings on the internet, I understand that this subversive young extremist has praised Hamas and Hezbollah and is an enthusiastic fan of the terrorist President of Iran who wants to obliterate Israel with nuclear weapons. Xanadu clearly wants to drive all Jews into the sea. Shame on her.
I am sorry you feel the need to publish such hate-filled poetry, thereby helping to bring about a second Holocaust. Isnt six millions dead Jews enough for you?
http://www.counterpunch.org/
lind...ff05172008.html
if we believe Lindorff's analyst, Americans can attribute a large chunk of the gas price increase since 2003 to Jewish Lobby interests. do the math Laurie.
Just saw US tv in gymn, news re. 67 year old lady in Santa Barbara who has children, social sec and $8 hour job sleeping in her car, a new municipal program in CA to let people sleep in public parking lots, latest trend
interview w. Max Hastings at Pritzker Center for Military History in Chicago, praising Truman for dropping the bomb. I was surprised to hear him lie about WWII history since he is jewish w. a very distinguished sounding Oxbridge accent.
US taxpayer | 05.17.08 - 3:53 pm | #
So what are suggesting? That Mark Glenn, in addition to running half a dozen websites of his own, is impersonating Xanadu and her ten thousand avatars on Xymphora's website? Cui bono?
Xanadu clearly wants to drive all Jews into the sea. Shame on her
... aren't the seas polluted enough?
Mark Glenn is also Dundee Joe and JDL Joe who recently posted a link to an-antixymphora website that he has put up.
Playing both sides, a poor-man's Rothschild.
regardless of xanadu's poetry, she has definitely qualified for a driver's license.
My math, the sky would be the limit to oil prices, with $200/barrel being a starting point." - The only people benefiting from the war are the bankers, the arms producers (& related industries) and oil producing countries that can get their product to market. Well, also israel because they can continue their plan of land theft and piggy back on the 'terrorist threat'
Pardon my sophomoric psychological profiling etc etc . . . my jewdar starts blinking red etc etc . . . If you are a prankster or a liar etc etc . . . your incapacity to support with facts, logic and arguments etc etc . . . ultimate lack of integrity etc etc . . . any communication with you a waste of time. [End of epileptic fit].
Xenophile | 05.17.08 - 3:10 pm | #
Xenophile,
I have to feel sorry for you. More finesse is required. Your humourlessness makes you unfit for polemics.
If your "jewdar" starts blinking red at the first talk of jealousy at the superior wit and intelligence of other people, all I can say is if the cap fits, wear it!
All your flashy showing-off with French, German, Spanish and Latin fails to impress me. I see right through you you humourless, curmudgeonly, pedantic bore! Of all the commenters on this website, you are the only one who strikes me as being the most irredeemably unpleasant.
All your toffee-nosed talk of "Untermenschen" and "hoi polloi" smacks of arrogant elitism. Who are you to look down on the common people by referring to them sneeringly as the "hoi polloi"? How dare you abuse ordinary, hard-working people like my father, a simple miner, from your lofty perch of intellectual arrogance?
So my father is an Untermensch in your eyes, is he? You know what you sound like, Xenophile? You sound exactly like an Israeli officer in the IDF vilifying the Palestinians by calling them "cockroaches" and "filthy two-legged animals".
BTW, Your posts do not amount to much. All you do is post links. That demands no originality. It's little more than plagiarism stealing other people's ideas and taking credit for them. You want a pat on the back for that?
If there's anyone I suspect of being a secret agent for Zionism on this site, it's you. You sound like a Jew, Xenophile. You act like a Jew. I wouldn't be surprised to learn you WERE the hidden Jew in the woodpile.
Took you a while to think up a new ruse, hey Mark?
don't you remember, Dundee Joe is one of your pro-jewish personae?
Dundee Joe | 05.09.08 - 7:04 pm | #
the highly intelligent US Taxpayer
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 2:38 pm | #
Actually smekh is a lot smarter than I am, probably lobro, Xeno, and shlomos too.
Anyone see Rowan Berkeley's "why do i even try" post on his website about a letter he wrote to Haaretz?
"Title: The Yassam onslaught near Zippori
Name: Rowan
City: London State: England
We have videos, and a multitude of eye-witness accounts, of this mini-Sharpeville nakba day event. I wish you would let me help you. You seem to be digging your own graves at an ever accelerating rate. You have not adapted to the new communication environment, and attempts to control the Internet will just make you more hated. You know that in my own Arendtian way I am still on your side, despite my occasional outbursts of fury. Please, Messrs. Haaretz, get in touch, and maybe we can control the damage to some extent."
taxpayer | 05.17.08 - 5:32 pm - Taxes, he's blown sunshine... and btw, you forgot Laurie. I'm afraid your mind has been warped by colors..,sounds..,and shapes.
Laurie | 05.17.08 - 5:57 pm | #
there are limits to my modesty
Took you a while to think up a new ruse, hey Mark?
US taxpayer | 05.17.08 - 5:29 pm | #
US Taxpayer,
Your theory, unsupported by any evidence, lacks plausibility. Why would Mark Glenn waste his time posting anti-Zionist comments on Xymphora's relatively obscure website when he has half a dozen websites of his own to promulgate his ideas to a much wider audience?
It is far easier to believe that these characters who have plagued you so much recently all spring from the fertile imagination of Rowan Berkeley. This could be Rowan's revenge! Have you considered that?
For that matter, many of the regular commenters on Xymphora's website may be no more figments of Xymphora's crazed imagination.
US Taxpayer, are you perhaps one of Xymphora's avatars?
Sorry, no more THAN figments
there are limits to my modesty
... to claim otherwise would be immodest.
unsupported by any evidence
Read your own post above Mark:
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 1:21 pm | #
You post "Xanadu's" poem on your website. You make up comments about it. You come on here under the alias of a jewish lady asking people to link in to your site to the comments of another jewish lady.
You come on here posing as JDL Joe and ask people to link in to your antixymph website.
Right now you're completely out of the persona of "Dundee Joe."
Cui bono? Wanker's delight.
The zionist is similar to the wolf who is offering a piece of candy to Little Red Riding Hood. They will pose as goyim, and they will adorn a variety of masks in an effort to deceive their opponents.
The zionist will even try to deceive you by posing as a "man of reason," as per the facade that Ken Hoop is using.
If a zionist tells you that he wants to know your name, you can be sure that this is the whole point of his interaction with you: he wants to know your name so that he can track you down and kill you, or at least so that he can ferret your name to the master list of future victims and internees.
Dundee-Hoop was asking for names when he first came here under the name of "Jay Jardine," but now he appears to be wearing a different mask.
Have you ever wondered what's driving the zionists when they engage in "debates" with people whom they are seeking to murder ?
It could be that it has something to do with the fact that zionism, as an ideology, has its roots in the most violent and the most bloody of all holy books, which is none other than the Jewish "Toe-Raw."
If you want to defeat these nasty and evil people, you will have to don a yarmulke and you will have to infiltrate their dens of assassination.
Friend of the Goyim | 05.17.08 - 6:31 pm | #
Why don't you just go back to your old persona as "Mark"?
one thing you forget, dear madam: intellectuals like me like to grow BEARDS.
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 3:45 pm | #
Rowan Berkeley here gives himself away. He too, like Dundee Joe, has a beard.
RB = Dundee Joe = Every other piss artist plaguing this site.
don't think so, Anon
whatever his faults RB has his own voice
You're a good egg Taxes.
MFA, Rowan basically believes the jews are scapegoats and useful pawns to the powerful, who if some happen to be jewish is just a coincidence. He is drawn to intellectuals that reinforce this idea like Hannah Arendt and Nitzan & Bichler the economists. At least this is what I gather from some of his posts.
http://letters.salon.com/0bb45bd...d26feda/author/
Friend of the Goyim | 05.17.08 - 6:31 pm | #
Why don't you just go back to your old persona as "Mark"?
US taxpayer | 05.17.08 - 6:34 pm | #
US Taxpayer,
How can you misjudge Friend of this Goyim in this ludicrous way? Are you not aware that "Friend of the Goyim" is another name for our esteemed Estonian correspondent?
Hezbollah was a pretext for visiting destruction on the goyim of Lebanon.
Israel can destroy goyim, but only if it has a pretext.
I'm willing to bet that Hezbollah is actually a "sham" organization.
Does anyone listen to zionist "talk radio" in the United States ?
There's a zionist talk-radio host who goes by the name of Michael Medved, who came out and said, plain as day, that "something terrible is going to happen" to the USA sometime within the next ten years.
I heard him say that with my own ears.
Medved should come under investigation for having made that statement. It makes me wonder what he knows. In a more perfect universe, he would be "water boarded" until he spills the beans on his fellow zionists.
Laurie,
I seem to recall that the man speaks fluent Hebrew.
If someone is known to be fluent in Hebrew, isn't that an indication of something ?
RB is definitely twisting reality when he tries to make jews out to be "victims" and "scapegoats," when in fact they are the world's premier victimizers and scapegoaters.
RB appears to be glossing over the fact that Judaism stands for the destruction and the mass murder of gentiles.
My own working definition of "jew" is: anyone who works either overtly or covertly in order to bring about the complete ruination of goyim.
Now you're back to "Anonymous" and "fotg"
give it up Mark
Dundee Joe shows examples of satire that can become very valuable in this age of dictatorial Political correctness and to loosen fixed opinions. The more when they are imposed by the massmedia.
As humans come in different "forms", there is the "Jew", a form, they fit in, made and maintained by rabbies, Talmud and media. These forms can even become material. Unfortunately R.B., has more defended them, and used the stereotypes of the media tyranny like "nazi" and "racist" against critics. (he claimed to want to learn Hebrew).
Then there are the structures of power and Jews have great influence, this has to be researched like Mearsheimer and Walt did and not hidden with "class fight" as RB does. And: also they often led Marxist movements in the 1920s and in Bolshevism and capitalist ones in Europe. Now the "racist Nazis" made them emigrate and that is a minor number compared with the 1 million Germans, that had to leave the new Poland after Versailles- traty, also hundred thousands of Jews left Poland.
The so called h..caust is claimed for the wartime from 1941 on, and should be researched in the whole of the war. Also how it was started. Only that is prohibited by hate - laws. And then to accuse people as "nazi" is a Hollywood image and historically incorrect.
....."treaty of Versailles" that was.
The "Jew" in the definition above, does not only accuse Germans, but also Moslems, without regarding historical reasons. Before "Israel" they lived peacefully together.
There is an article about Muslims in Germany, that appeared in "der Spiegel" but only in English (too dangerous for Germans?)
05/16/2008 04:30 PM
'WIPE OUT THE JEWS'
Anti-Semitic Hate Speech in the Name of Islam
By Matthias Kόntzel
Though most Muslims reject Islamism and its propaganda, anti-Semitic messages from satellite channels like the Hamas-run Al-Aqsa are helping to bring a message of hate and intolerance to Europe. The effects of such hate preaching can already be felt in Germany.
http://www.spiegel.de/
internatio...,553724,00.html
in print:
http://www.spiegel.de/internatio...-
553724,00.html
"Sanabel, what do you want to do to help the Al-Aqsa Mosque?" Farfur asks on the children's program of Hamas's Al-Aqsa television station. "We want to fight." "And what else?" "Wipe out the Jews." Now Farfur, the cartoon character on Hamas's children's television program, is satisfied. Farfur is a carbon copy of Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse, but the Hamas version does something that Mickey would never do: He entertains children while propagating the murder of Jews.
International protests forced Hamas to take its Disney clone out of circulation. Al-Aqsa complied, but promptly turned Farfur's departure into an anti-Semitic statement: Farfur was clubbed to death by an Israeli official. Then the girl hosting the program turned to the camera and said: "You've seen how the Jews killed Farfur as a martyr. What do you want to say to the Jews?" A three-year-old girl named Shaima called into the show to say: "We don't like Jews, because they are dogs! We will fight them!" "Oh, Shaima, you're right," the girl in the studio replied, "the Jews are criminals and our enemies."
The Hamas station, founded in 2006, is modeled on the Hezbollah station in neighboring Lebanon, al-Manar.
In its charter, Hamas quotes the Prophet Muhammad as saying: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." Through the use of such language, the hatred of Jews is given a religious justification.
Nazi Germany entered the picture in the 20th century. The Nazis, hoping to use early Islamic hostility toward Jews for their own ends, paid substantial sums of money to support the Muslim Brotherhood's anti-Jewish campaigns in Egypt. And just as they had radicalized widespread Christian anti-Semitism in Europe, the Nazis did their utmost to radicalize the latent anti-Judaism that had originated in early Islam.
While everything Jewish was considered evil in early Islam, everything evil was now being la
....continued
While everything Jewish was considered evil in early Islam, everything evil was now being labeled as Jewish, from wars and revolutions to the drug trade and the decline of moral values. Between 1938 and 1945, the Nazis' radio station broadcast its lies about a supposed Jewish world conspiracy into the Islamic world every evening. The professionally produced programs were broadcast in Arabic, Persian and Turkish, and were very popular. Thus, it comes as no surprise that the Hamas charter has also adopted this legacy.
The Jews, we read in Article 22, "stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... They stood behind World War I ... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it."
and so on the article of this anti- semitism researcher goes, of course without mentioning anything Jews did historically.
I agree that Rowan Berkeley has his own, unique voice. I even post comments on his site and we've always had an amicable connection.
I just feel, sincerely, that while Jews are victims of global manipulation just like everyone else, the struggle doesn't allow for moral ambiguity, ambivalence or even angst.
EVERYONE is responsible for their actions (or lack thereof)
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 5:18 pm | #.
D.Joe, Xenophile is not J., not Zionist and not Rowan B. and Xympf is not Laurie, nobody can imitate lobro, and what does it matter only writers.
Xanadu clearly wants to drive all Jews into the sea. Shame on her
... aren't the seas polluted enough?
lobro | 05.17.08 - 4:10 pm
Don't worry. The UN has 2 containers full of water wings and K rations ready for rapid despatch. So they'll be able to swim to ... Gaza and/or Lebanon and/or Iraq and/or Iran before they croak and pollute the sea.
In those places, if there really is a God, they'll be offered the kind of 'help' they've given Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis and Iranians...
Since Xanadu isn't here to present her own clarifications, I'll play the role of Xanadu's PR flack (I only found her irritating, which could be as much my fault as hers) and suggest that Xdu only wanted Israel's
jet fighters
attack helicopters
missiles
bunker-busters
cluster bombs
tanks
field artillery
nerve gas
tear gas
DIME munitions
nukes
checkpoints
apartheid wall
and sniper rifles, driven into the sea.
Either way, it would be fascinating to see how well their fabricated bullshit and whimsy and served them - with or without crocodile tears.
... in either scenario.
Yo guys.
Having observed the shenanigans, I can offer this small insight.
One characteristic that distinguishes jews from the Goyim is that the former can always spot one another wheres the latter are likely to accuse one another of being the former.
The following have at one time been accused by one of the posters of working for the enemy of the Goyim:
Rowan, Dundee, Xenophile, Ken Hoop, Hoarse, Xanadu, Lallara, Grettir, Xymphora, Salman and others.
None of which is true, imho.
Let's just get back to hard facts, which keeps me riveted to this site.
Let's just get back to the business of uncovering the truth, whatever missteps happen on the way.
In all of this, Rowan's position remains a mystery to me, and perhaps to him as well.
For an avowed atheist, he seems genuinely attracted by the idea of satanism and 'black magic' and readily acknowledges its close linkage with the rabbinical program, maybe divining some morally valid underpinning.
I would very much like to know what that is, maybe my morality is too linear and my revulsion too knee jerk, that is why I miss his input here.
There is no point going on about Christ's mission unilaterally without giving the Lucifer a chance to state his opinion.
If Rowan or anybody else wishes to honestly state the aims and the logic of the program, I would readily accede the pulpit to them, but without cheap lies, prevarication and propaganda whose only aim is to intimidate, to aggregate power and legitimize unseeing, unquestioning hatred.
Maybe Ken, with his encyclopedic knowledge of some of these dark sects, Druze, etc., may enlighten the discussion.
Having arrived at the ironclad conclusion that the moral envelope defined by Talmud and Kabbala is unapologetically evil, I want to see their honest rationale, how do the Sanhedrin explain it to themselves.
The Rapturists' aims are plainly retarded and not worth debating, is there something more?
Just as some asteroid impact put paid to the age of the giant reptiles, Talmud aims to obliterate all non-jew species, maybe with the view of advancing evolutionary development, but this is an open ended proposition, without explicitly demonstrating the benefits, except on a narrow, egotistical scale - it is good because it is good for "us", which taken by itself is equally valid in its reciprocal form - in other words an empty, circular argument.
In a more perfect universe, he would be "water boarded" until he spills the beans on his fellow zionists.
Friend of the Goyim | 05.17.08 - 7:40 pm
I hope that was a joke, FoG.
Torture is said by expert interrogators to be useful only for extracting fabricated confessions. The only reason I raise the issue is that this explanation, while probably true, is demonstrably NOT the reason torture is inflicted upon prisoners of Zion and Uncle Sam.
One can deduce this for oneself. The victims of US and Zionist torturers are almost invariably 'racial inferiors' with no prospect of escape or release. Thus their captors are free to lie about them because the vast majority will be tried by a closed military tribunal and NOT in an open court conforming to international standards of jurisprudence. Thus, since they'll be tried in a kangaroo court, it doesn't matter whether they confess or not. They can be convicted on lies/heresay.
This tells us, conclusively, that Zion and Uncle Sam use torture as a psychological weapon and because they enjoy it, they can get away with it, and they are the most unbelievably cowardly individuals on the planet.
Want proof of their cowardice?
Linndie England, an All-American moron grunt, is doing time for following orders (if only by letting her imagination and delusions of grandeur run riot while being inadequately supervised) while stationed at Abu Ghraib.
Q.E.D.
It is the unmitigated cowardice of Zionism which is causing Zion to unravel so quickly. If it's not yet obvious, it soon will be. Zion is currently in what I would describe as Terminal Desperation mode - running interference for and against its own bullshit. They might be sneaky, but they're not terribly bright and the day is fast approaching when bits of their own bullshit begin colliding with each other.
You just watch.
They can't help themselves...
Fritz | 05.17.08 - 9:23 pm | #
Sad to say most Germans seem to be proud of Spiegel, their version of the London Economist, what "Axel Brot" called "a middlebrow infotainment weekly."
I have heard the claim that Spiegel is owned by its writers, which accounts for its remarkable "independence"!
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 5:18 pm | #.
D.Joe, Xenophile is not J., not Zionist and not Rowan B.
Fritz | 05.17.08 - 10:05 pm | #
I agree with you that Xenophile is not Rowan B. I am not aware that anyone ever said he was. RB would never have tried to emphasise his own position as a Nietzschean Superman by sneering at the masses and referring to them as the "hoi polloi". Nor would RB have adopted the sickeningly condescending tone that is Xenophile's hallmark. RB wouldn't have thrown a primadonna fit just because the spotlight had been turned off him for a second and focussed on a newcomer of superior talent.
If anyone is playing the part of Zionist agent on this website, it is Xenophile. I would caution other commenters about confiding their thoughts to him. He is here to draw them out and compromise them. There is no doubt in my mind that this dyspeptic and humourless crypto-Jew is the Xymphora website's agent provocateur.
Dundee Joe | 05.17.08 - 5:18 pm | #
DJ, it is almost flattering to be singled out by you as the most humourless, pretentious, elitist, intellectually arrogant, etc, etc, etc of all posters in this forum.
My lack of racial, religious, class or national prejudice clearly confounded you, leaving your baseless emotional appeals as the only outlet for your juvenile resentment.
My only purpose here is to clarify concepts, and thus to inch toward truth. I am prepared to debate the merits of the arguments and the veracity of the facts anyone can bring to this forum. Contrary to you, Sir, I speak with one voice, in full awareness of my personal and intellectual integrity.
One thing I concede to you though. My stiff sense of humour is indeed a drawback for polemics in English.
I would caution other commenters about confiding their thoughts to him. He is here to draw them out and compromise them. There is no doubt in my mind that this dyspeptic and humourless crypto-Jew is the Xymphora website's agent provocateur.
Dundee Joe | 05.18.08 - 6:45 am
Hogwash, DJ.
Have you considered trading your mind in on a new one - or one with fewer loose screws? Xenophile has a well-developed sense of irony but one needs a genuine sense of humor to appreciate it. No-one is going to be arrested for what he or she writes here. Lighten up and consider the possibility that you're taking yourself too seriously.
Dundee Joe, our self-declared Scottish police agent, has offered us a good illustration for one of smekhovo's lapidary insights:
smekhovo | 02.02.08 - 11:14 pm | #
"By contrast, wit, reasoning and knowledge are notoriously never the stock in trade of police agents, because policemen understand none of these things, and unlike some nouveaux riches, policemen are unwilling to pay for art that they do not understand."
Xeno are we to believe that you save interesting quotes from posters because there is no way in hell's half acre that I'm going to believe you went back to February and found that quote. I'm starting to think this whole site is one big mind game...and I'm really enjoying it.
Xenophile has a well-developed sense of irony...
Hoarsewhisperer | 05.18.08 - 7:49 am | #
My stiff sense of humour is indeed a drawback for polemics in English.
Xenophile | 05.18.08 - 6:50 am | #
Hoarsewhisperer,
Xenophile does not appear to agree with you. He resembles British ex-Prime Minister Mrs Thatcher in combining a thin facade of intelligence with a total deficit in the humour department. His idea of humour is to splash a few exclamations marks around a common practice in Germany in the hope that they will compensate for his grim homourlessness.
The guy gives me the creeps. He never had a polite word to say to Lalara and Xanadu. And why? Because they had panache, eloquence, vivacity, wit, humour. They were never rude to anyone on this site, including Xenophile. This dour old windbag should get himself some good manners.
But DJ I have all those traits and Xeno has been complimentary to me, so there must be some other reason.
Xenophile | 05.18.08 - 8:13 am | #
How pathetic.
This would only be a put-down if I actually WAS a policeman!
In fact, I have nothing to do with the police if I can help it. I never co-operate with them. I regard them as no more than the rich man's militia paid for out of the poor man's axes.
Laurie, I will reveal the secret of my super memory. It's called Google.
smekhovo has many lapidary one-liners, but that quote stuck to my mind, as it related to Salman Hossain's legal troubles. I had not saved the link, but I recalled the unusual parallel between nouveaux riches and the police.
So I proceeded with a little Google 'astuce'.
I simply typed the line below for a targeted Haloscan search:
smekhovo nouveaux riches site:www.haloscan.com/comments/andy8/
voilΰ! all of Xymphs accumulated is at your fingertips.
Dundee Joe's whinning about my lack of humour is starting to sound like my wife's catilinaires. Wait a minute...Darling is it you?!?
all of Xymph's accumulated knowldege...
good trick, I'll remember that. I've spent far too much time looking for posts only a few days old.
But DJ I have all those traits and Xeno has been complimentary to me, so there must be some other reason.
Laurie | 05.18.08 - 8:39 am | #
You do not resemble Xenophile in any way. You have the saving grace of humour. And you were also kind to both Lalara and Xanadu, making them both feel welcome. In short, you had the human touch.
As for Xeno being complimentary to you, I refer you to your exchange with this grim fascist on 17 May. At 2:38 a.m. he is grovelling at your feet with an apology for some grave offence he has given you, brought about by his tactlessness and basic lack of intelligence. At 6:01 a.m. you reply to him, rightly agitated and wounded by his impoliteness. At 7:42 a.m. he tries to placate you. Flattered by his attentions, you then graciously forgive him this pathetic apology for a human being.
As I said, the man needs good manners and a sense of humour. But he's too old to get hold of either. Singlehandedly, this nasty little piece of ordure has succeeded in driving away some of your website's most original posters.
Enough now DJ, you made your point and people will either agree or disagree. My money is on the latter.
So DJ, tell us more about yourself.
So DJ, tell us more about yourself.
Laurie | 05.18.08 - 9:06 am
LOL
Xenophile has been a constant poster and written enough about his (her?) background for me to attest to genuineness and erudition. The Junker background intrigued me of course, and I appreciate where some might wish posters stuck to the subject at hand.
(Not that the Sainted Berkeley never veered off into the personal)
But admit it, the Hydra 'writers group' has added a certain amount of humour to an essentially humourless discourse.
However, Dundee Joo (and I say this with affection) I think Mark Glenn, owner of the Crescent and Cross website, is a good person, and a committed anti-Zionist, so don't pick on him, ok, since he isn't here to defend himself.
I don't think that anyone chased Xanadu and Lalara off the site, they just had homework to do, poems to compose, do the laundry and things like that.
Put on the Halloween costumes...
Come on Joe, admit that you are Xanadu and Lalara. You know your heart isn't into pretending otherwise any longer.
US taxpayer | 05.18.08 - 4:48 am | # Der Spiegel-- is read by all from preacher to teacher, thought to be intellectual, but it is not really a truthseeker, like Time mag, Neewsweek, more main view, sometimes critique but so cynical that I don't read it.
Friend of the Goyim | 05.17.08 - 6:31 pm
Kooks are not friends of American anti-Zionists, and woe be to any political activist in America who without discrimination issues broadbrush attacks on what Roman Catholics and Protestants alike consider part of the Creator's message. Even Muslims would object to the kook's wording,above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Isl...ew_of_the_Bible
Friend of the Goyim | 05.17.08 - 7:40 pm
someone should do a study on what %age of kooks realize they are kooks.
like someone who calls Hezbollah a
"sham" organization.
Takfiri Sunnis excepted.
My own working definition of "jew" is: anyone who works either overtly or covertly in order to bring about the complete ruination of goyim.
Friend of the Goyim | 05.17.08 - 8:08 pm
My working definition of "kook" is any non-Sunni who believes Hezbollah is a false front organization designed to excuse Israeli brutality.
lobro | 05.18.08 - 12:25 am
Some of this Muslim offshoot status gets a bit ridiculous. At various times within the recent past for example, Alawites, who are demonstrably outside Islam in the religious sense have been decreed Islamic and un-Islamic by Syrian prelates, probably using the cultural
umbrella and of course under pressure.
But you are wrong about dispensationalists not being worth debating. Maybe not on this site, where hp left at least briefly, seemingly, perhaps out of frustration I would fittingly not debate him on
Vaishnava vs Advaita-- but it is politically if not spiritually imperative that non-dispensationalist
evangelicals, Lutherans, Calvinists and Catholics in America devote energy in exposing the modernist heresy masquerading as conservative and Christian.
I believed the characters were Berkeley until one of them told hp he had certain views because he was Vaishnava and not Advaita, a subject which would not interest Berkeley in the least.
Whoever said Smekh was the smartest was probably right because his wisdom/word ratio hints at other, more
pressing challenges, those which of course would be laid at the feet of the savant.
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