I think the Dems. have kissed the blacks goodbye, anyway. In pre-1965, 165m population America, they were important dudes, all 20m of them.
Today in Amerika, 320m. population, non-European majority in 20 years, the blacks are just another ethnic sub-group on the way to being swamped.
So who cares?
I don't think many now care what colour Obama is?
He has struck a chord which resonates with all colours.
Just a bit on the Spitzer setup,
"...Several current and former federal prosecutors and prominent defense lawyers who reviewed the document said the inclusion of such salacious details about Mr. Spitzer’s encounter with the prostitute went far beyond what was necessary to provide probable cause for the arrests and for searches, the purpose of the affidavit.
The government has not accused Mr. Spitzer, a Democrat, of any wrongdoing, although last week the top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, Michael J. Garcia, issued a statement saying there had been no deal with Mr. Spitzer’s lawyers, suggesting that a prosecution of some kind might still be a possibility.
Some officials have cautioned against drawing conclusions about the case, since it is still under way while investigators try to determine whether Mr. Spitzer misused public or campaign funds.
At the Justice Department in Washington, senior political appointees have said they had little involvement in the case, saying that it was supervised by Mr. Garcia and directly managed by Boyd M. Johnson III, head of the public corruption unit in the Manhattan United States attorney’s office..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/2...anted=2&_r=2&
hp
Looks like Mr Garcia is in the loop.
As if they will do any better in the GOP. But it is doubtful that they will switch, more likely just stay home. And the Democratic Party will not disappear; in a two-party system, it must exist. As a vessel it will persist and will be filled with a new meaning, as it has been in the past. Perhaps, Mexican immigrants will take it over.
What should be pointed out is that by a skillful use of race and ethnicity the war party neutralized any budding opposition and ensured its policy will be continued for another decade. Nicely done.
Can anyone tell me whether the situation regarding black american freemasons in the USA is still that they are not recognised by the white masonic hierarchy?
My information is that at least historically, black americans were forced to join a separate organisation which was not recognised by white masons. ("prince hall freemasonry").
However, dark skinned non-US celebrities were able to join the white masonic system, which proves that the purpose of the exercise is political.
o'reilly even more ballistic than normal, with ingraham etc.:
http://mediamatters.org/items/20...0008?
f=h_latest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q....wordpress.com/
In fact, clever marketing by the Republicans - say, a black V-P candidate with some community credibility - might mean that black American voters permanently return to the party of Lincoln.
Xym., Lieberman is chaperoning McCain around almost as if he will be on the VP ticket and he doesn't look the slightest bit black.
Why even pretend that a viable political system exists in the US? It doesn't. Who gives a damn whether a repuke or dimocrat is in "office"? They're all controlled by the same entities, and will effect the same policies.
Increasing number of people, Blacks included, recognize this reality and will simply become disenfranchised from the system, rather than participate in an overt farce.
"...They're all controlled by the same entities, and will effect the same policies.
Increasing number of people, Blacks included, recognize this reality and will simply become disenfranchised from the system, rather than participate in an overt farce."
Shep | 03.22.08 - 8:00 am | #
One does get the feeling that it is a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
It is like they are all in a straitjacket, and not just the public opinion one.
For instance, none of them would dare criticize Israel.
Amazingly the only notary who I have heard say anything the least bit confronting is George Bush, telling them to respect the 1967 borders, when he was over there recently.
You would have to hold the US media at least partly responsible for the quality of the debate.
They seem willing to print any silly old thing.
But you know, tomorrow is always another day.
He has struck a chord which resonates with all colours.
Which tells you everything you need to know about the sad state of affairs in the US, when Obama's optimistic but empty rhetoric strikes a chord. It may be a chord, but its certainly the wrong song. America no longer has the freedom to say 2+2=4, and nothing will change until the courage is found to do so.
I'm amazed that so many on this board actually view the political system in the US as anything beyond entertainment,distraction and brief flashes of reality that are quickly smothered out so the charade can continue. Its the best system paper money can buy.
When anyone in the US talks about getting real about race, they are talking about heaping more abuse, guilt and financial burdens upon whitey, period. Buchannon has it right about race. If people want to get real about it, then start where he starts. Reality.
http://www.humanevents.com/artic...nt=yes&
id=25634
I posted in the other thread the Newsreel of the Auschwitz process that took place in Krakow and led to the execution of 23 camp personnel.
Just to clarify, this is the exact provenance of that clip:
Producer: US and British Occupation Authorities
Produced at Bavaria Studios
Clip from the Newsreel "Welt im Film Nr.137", broadcast on 8 of January 1948 mainly in the British and US occupation zones.
The Rights over the Newsreels "Welt im Film" belong today to "Deutsche Wochenschau GmbH", from Hamburg. Their homepage: www.deutsche-wochenschau.de
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S...h?
v=SqsWaZe4_9g
FWIW, I agree with travis bickle. The election process and the candidates fronting it are frauds. This is a charade, an insult to thinking people.
Xeno, that is useful information.
I believe that the strongest evidence against the veracity of Holocaust is result of their internal contradictions.
They cannot argue against their own statements.
Of course, they will attack you for even raising the issue, which is the MO nowadays, if you come out of any discussion without a brown nose, it's automatic incarceration.
Arthur Topham has some good commentary on the CHRC, Ezra Levant & Mark Steyn case.
http://www.radicalpress.com/
Scroll down about halfway.
peter dale scott's intro to his book "the road to 9-11" - really rather good, should interest people here if they haven't read it before :
http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu...scott/
post.html
having read that, I recommend this, which puts forward his theory that everything the "war for oil" people say can be explained more convincingly as "war for drugs and oil":
http://lobster-magazine.co.uk/ar...global-
drug.htm
Peter Dale Scott's soliloquy on post-9/11 USA and the opening days of the Iraq War may be compared with Douglas Reed's chapter on The Decline of American Empire written in the 1950's.
http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=7...?p=706#more-
706
War for drugs & oil? Michael Ruppert was saying that 5 years ago.
and your point is?
A McCain/Leiberman ticket doesn't sound too bad to me.
Okay I talked earlier about the jews (non-killer) writing about all the various things that "they" were involved in and yeah it's almost over entirely. I think we can up the date to say 5 months. Alot of the playing field is cleared. You can even call the organization out by name at that interval. I don't use their name (call letters) but at that point it's probably fine.
I learned a few more weird things. Dial soap is short for "diallated" meaning, such is claimed, that it contains corpses.
Another one is corned beef, it's claimed there is no such thing as corned beef, meaning they created it and it is short for "cornea beef", meaning I suppose it has animal eyes (let's hope that's all) in it creating that weird oil that you find (rainbowing) when you boil it.
I think the zero-kill jews know the name of the overall parent company which I won't mention by name either along with the organization's call letters.
SOOooo anyway 5 months should be the clear-zone for the writing should these kids come clean or open up the doors and files on what they know and they know alot of it and there is a good deal to even the fables they heard growing up. Trusth be told they've been through alot, tolsd since day one when the tijme comes to die they just die, it's horrible.
All France is free especially around Paris (The name of "Somnambulist" was actually Josey Emmory, not Emery--Josh was actually correct, he worked at Dell in some sort of communist porn ring there killing Russian girls. He knew the Castillos personally and that's the three toddlers--all Castillos are gone BTW--pheww).
All of North Korea is done--there is no Kim Jong Il or North Korea anymore. Burma and the royals, done. Cambodia and the borders (crossing guards) are done. Bangladesh is done. Australia is more or less done with exception to something popping up. China is still open file and there are alot of discrepancies on who's who there, it's a toughie. Two more breeding camps still open out of five, before that a total of seven were ongoing. One is somewhere in Russia (can't find it) and the other in the Ukraine somewhere and they are very hard to find still. Sun Cruise is down--I'll just keep the kids updated so they can move around more freely in the weeks to come and hopefully one day talk openly about this without fear about all this--I'm almost done I think. Shit what's left? Kansas gone, Arkansas is perhaps a little hop and go, West Virginia definitely out. Lots of stuff has been removed and about friggin' time huh?
So now it stands at 5 months and the coast should be fully cleared for whatever you want to say.
So set up the ghost writers for yourselves in a few months it should all be clear to tell a bit of what you know anonymously or however.
Much thanx.
Narcowars have been a prime topic of Ruppert's. They generate huge quantities of cash and in South America provide cover for U.S. military intervention for other objectives. Other wars, such as Vietnam & Afghanistan, seem to be cover for narco biz, plus other objectives. None of this is novel news.
gosh, I am sorry you find it so stale. did you bother to look at the material?
For Fritz, a history of CIA in Tibet:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...ext=va&
aid=6530
Speaking of drug wars, they were all made up it was just a means of erradicating large portions of the Central and South American populations with an easy to follow explanation--"drug wars--you know". There were no genuine drug wars, it was all for the sake of entrapment and death for the native populations of the region. "Wanna' make alot of money and get rich quick?"
"Sure, si"
And then they lead them off to their deaths somehow. Could be by roving deathsquads on city streets of their unga-bunga towns or some other means but it was all the same result--drug related homicides in South and Central America that summarily we could all see on the news and it scares us out of going to that region and eventually finding their deathcamps hidden in plain sight (such as with Brazil and Guatamala amongst other locales). The whole of the drugwars were fabricated bull-shit. The money was made by "them", the perpetrators, not the people indigenous to that region anyway. They, the murdered, were the visceral threat on the table that kept us from looking any deeper than they allowed us to. It was the grunge on the table that no one would touch and with our communist press coming out of Albania and Tel Aviv we knew even less.
I keep hearing the explanation over and over again from communists that they wanted to make it all "white" down there--question being is who the hell is going to live there then? there is no economy, "whites" wouldn't be there. There is no point to it all but to kill off a bunch of people or "bunches" of people to create a causal threat to us investigating what the hell was really going on down there so reciprocally there's the means to keep the deathcamps and real drug runners going strong. Get it? It's a ruse.
Another thing no one was really shoving drugs in balloons down their throats or anything like that, those were South American jews perpetrating that myth through trying to do it, even in dead babies they would put ballons of coke and heroin. Yeah I mean why not go through the gulf of Mexico or into, say, Seattle or Canada or something--there is so much hard to believe bullshit to it but the myth lives on about it. The drug war was a ruse and diversion to a ruse, if you get my meaning. Millions upon millions of dollars in drugs and they can't afford a DC-10 instead of trying to get it through airports and Mex borders? C'mon, wise-up, it's so stupid it makes you want to gag.
It all conditioning to believe a larger myth--the myth being that people outside the US and Europe are evil and vandalous hence they can arbitrarily kill them and you don't care--that's the game. Just like with Islamo-fascism, there is little of it actually, the Islamo-fascists were actuallt jewish and with them they made up Sharia law. You know stoning, beheadings etcetera. There is no such thing as Sharia--jews made that myth so they could kill them all off and you would'nt see them do it.
If you make someone an animal i
Why is Berkeley not emigrating to the ""workers" paradise in China?
( I have commented on the thread before - about Tibet) http://www.haloscan.com/comments...1127394/
#317309
CUT ME OFF-screw it.
I'll keep it brief the point I wanted to make, all these press releases in question (fake former prime ministers or other obscurative info) leads back to Jim Lehrer in some way or fashion usually as the promoter making it fit for other stations to report on it. And so all the communist news services(cable especially--CNN and others globally) largely follow the Jim Lehrer corridors of what can be reported or what is fit for reporting/ public consumption I surmise. I gather it goes beyond stylistic elements of news approach but also creates a social barrometer what to report in itself, such as this being a story fit for reporting versus this isn't one or something equally lazy. If it's not Jim Lehrer-ized it can't be verified in other words they take his word on too much and he follows the press releases that meet with a greater political agenda. Which thus then results in as I view it boredom, myth or big gaping holes that never get summed up. Perhaps they were threatened by groups or something--I've heard this "rumor" too that someone told them to keep it "dull" and/or uninteresting. Whatever (blechh--sigh) the story and who cares it is follow the slowest, tritest leader to comatose sleepytown so no one gets intelligently involved in what is going on abroad. I know the game. Those people overseas are all ureasonably evil why bother looking deeper at what is going on so we can kill them off and no one can hear them scream. That's communism.
Have you ever noticed how the international news on CNN is nothing more than the regular news done with a british accent? ehh Maybe it's just me.
Fritz, you are remarkably innocent about the CIA's role in promoting sedition in Tibet. If you feel the need of spiritual guidance, the Dalai "let's invade Iraq" Lama is the wrong person.
Maybe you should try Thích Nhất Hạnh, this is the real McCoy.
Have you ever noticed how the international news on CNN is nothing more than the regular news done with a british accent? ehh Maybe it's just me.
Someone I can't stand |03.22.08-3:50pm|
Not just you, it was noticed by Someone Else 
Meanwhile, BBC is starting to look more like CNN, with their invariably pro-jew, anti-russian, anti-chinese flavour.
Xeno, but the Dalai Lama is the leader. Now right, I don't know much about these backgrounds, but it doesn't make the Chinese occupation better, if McCain, Pelosi support the protests against it (however it is used in propaganda). We have seen the Marxist idiocy often enough: never became a paradise, they aim for class war and liquidating the middle class. The reasonable idea would be to let the people with skills and knowledge teach the others instead, and see that economy is working for the people and not for the banks.
Marxists want to make class difference more steep, so that it comes to revolution, but in a harmonious development, class differences can be reduced, more equal.
And they despise culture and history. Tibet was on a way to become more modern, and that should come from themselves. This change from outside is destroying Tibet.
Chinese communists are corrupt, their supermarkets and factories look like capitalist ones. They are the best customers of international banks.
The Han Chinese are immigrating so that Tibetans become a minority, they exploit the resources and pollute the country. Mao's culture revolution has destroyed the monasteries and heritage.
Tibetans have seen this coming and by giving their knowledge to the world, (also medical), they've prevented it's extinction.
"The Austrians", said Bismarck, "were no more at fault in opposing our claims than we were in making them."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...2A477FA9A30.htm
Perle utters more Jewish flip flop
on Iraq.
The question would be, lobro, how independent is the Chinese economy from the international finance, and I don't know. To look at the big game.
Latest on AIPAC Espionage Case
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/v...pic.php?
t=86424
Subject: Franklin 08 03 18 former Gov officials testify for defendants
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008
I have been following this criminal prosecution in the Federal Court in Alexandria, Va where I used to practice. I call it the Franklin case because of Col Franklin who worked for Feith in DoD. The defendants are trying to prove that the information received from Franklin was a routine delivery to AIPAC from DoD. That is why it is on appeal and being held up until after Bush et al are out of office.
FORMER ISOO DIRECTORS TO TESTIFY FOR DEFENSE IN AIPAC TRIAL
In a blow to Justice Department prosecutors, two former directors of the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO) are expected to
testify for the defense in the controversial trial of two former
officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) who
are charged with unlawful receipt and transmission of classified
information.
Steven Garfinkel (ISOO director from 1980-2002) and J. William Leonard (2002-2007) have been the voice of classification authority across three decades and five presidential administrations. They inspected, oversaw and reported to the President on the government's
classification and declassification programs. And last week they were
listed among eight proposed expert witnesses for the defense in the
AIPAC case, formally known as USA v. Steven J. Rosen and Keith
Weissman.
As deeply knowledgeable classification officials, Mr. Garfinkel and Mr.
Leonard might have been expected to testify for the government in a case involving classification policy. The fact that they are testifying for
the defense is a startling indication that the prosecution's case has
strayed far beyond any consensus view regarding the proper protection of classified information.
The surprising participation of these former classification officials
was first reported by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency and the New York
Sun. See "Key New Witnesses Sign on for the Defense in AIPAC Case" by Josh Gerstein, New York Sun, March 17:
http://www.nysun.com/article/73017
In another sign that the government's case may be unraveling, the lead prosecutor quit last month to take a job in the private sector. See "Top prosecutor in AIPAC case quits," Jewish Telegraphic Agency, February 28:
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/...ing/
107251.html
Selected case files from the AIPAC prosecution may be found here:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac...ipac/
index.html
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Thu Mar 20, 2008
Key New Witnesses Sign On For Defense In Aipac Case
http://www.mediachannel.org/word...-in-aipac-case/
An exellent Bon mot from Fredrick Toben: "Anti-Semitism is a Jewish disease. You catch it from Jewish behavior."
That just about sums it up.
Finally a man with courage!
Magdi Allam:
"Having been condemned to death, I have reflected a long time on the value of life. And I discovered that behind the origin of the ideology of hatred, violence and death is the discrimination against Israel. Everyone has the right to exist except for the Jewish state and its inhabitants," he said. "Today, Israel is the paradigm of the right to life."
Magdi was Baptized a Catholic today, making the next step to sanity.
Take that OSAMA!
The Tibetan protests were probably instigated from the Western Zimperium and are used for propaganda against China. While there are made toysRus without pause? Is it about money?
On the other hand the Chinese are destroying Tibet. And the Dalai Lama called for non violence also on the Tibetans.
Btw.: Pope Benedict has reintroduced the Latin Easter prayer, that the God may enlighten the hearts of the Jews that they recognize Christus as the savior.
how can they then pray for evil Israel, "Italian Catholic"(false)? they should turn to Rome.
Seems to me that the mischievous West has decided to provoke the Tibetan situation in the runup to the Beijing Olympics, knowing that the Chinese Govt is thereby in a cleft stick: if it cracks down bloodily then nations may boycott the Games (as they did to the moscow olympics); if it does not crack down bloodily then ethnic Tibetans gain a political victory. Either way the western instigators have a propaganda win.
First I have to say, how much I enjoy blogging. There are so many of you have a very high degree of intelligence and introspect and many are just simply looking for answers. I catch myslef wanting to spit at America , not because I hate you, but because I'm so damn disappointed. At the same time I wonder who the F am I to be judge/jury and hangman. Many of the bloggers from here and around the globe can be abusive towards their own at times and yet in the end inspire hope and insight simply because a positive thing came out of a negative period.
I have a feeling that government is going to cause alot of grief and suffering for the masses. And through it all, the frustration and hardships and the fast-changing 'instant-everything' world we live in, humankind is gonna finally get it right. From one identity crisis to the next, today we can all be proud in knowing we took part in all this during the greatest time in human history. If the death camps are real and the New World order is the codeword for the devils own, it is nice to know it will not last very long.
I guess instead of feeling anger for America's wars, I should feel sorry for you (I'm A Canadian) for no one country can say with a clean record, it hasn't gotten it's own hands bloody and gotten-off without learning the hardway. If my Christian friends are right about the 3rd Great war being at our doorsteps, should we not be afraid for each other. Let's just hope we figure out the smart thing to do. It all comes down to respect.
maybe you can start by getting the various editors to stop running photos of sarko's whore.
Of all candidates for "the american two-party elected dictatorship", Mrs. Clinton (and her husband lurking in the foreground) are the worst, just a tiny millimeter before the other czar-clan: the Bushes/Cheneys.
The world has probably seen few liars worse than her majesty the BIG MOTHER. At least the other candidates are not so extreme hypocrits as she is. With her as candiate the democrazy faction of the two-party- one-party (the repuplutocratian hypocrats) is forever dead. And that will be a good thing - because then it will be obvious, that the US is no democracy, not even feudal. It's a one-party-dictatorship as Stalin's or Hitler's. It's far less democratic than Poland under russian rule around 1830 and resembles Russia of today and even more China, except more stupid.
the great and the good exploit thwe useless deaths of tibetans to burnish their pseudo radical chic:
For California Sen. Dianne Feinstein and her husband, Richard Blum, the worsening Chinese crackdown on anti-government dissidents in Tibet is a horrific vision of their failed public and private diplomatic efforts on behalf of the Dalai Lama.
The Dalai Lama criticised by China is not the Dalai Lama that Feinstein and Blum, a wealthy international investor and Himalayan philanthropist, said they've come to know. Friends for 30 years, they say the Dalai Lama is a peacemaker who's trying to preserve the cultural and religious institutions of an estimated 6 million oppressed Tibetans. "To look at him is to know peace," Feinstein said in the rotunda of the U.S. Capitol last October when, through her efforts, the Dalai Lama was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal. "To listen to him is to know wisdom. To touch him is to feel the presence of something greater." Now, with journalists expelled and Chinese troops spreading throughout Tibet, Feinstein and Blum said in separate telephone interviews that they have grave fears about what's coming. "The Chinese are in a bunker mentality," Feinstein said. "It's needless. It's inhumane. It's wrong-headed. It need not be." Blum said that with the Summer Olympics in China approaching and the world watching, his concerns stretch into the distant months. "I'm concerned about reprisals when the Olympics are over," he said. For two decades at least, Feinstein and Blum have been virtual ambassadors, shuttling between the Dalai Lama and the Chinese government — Feinstein as a county supervisor, San Francisco mayor and then as California's powerful Democratic senator, and Blum as a wealthy international investor and mountain-climbing hobbyist. Blum flies the Dalai Lama to the United States and around the country on his private jet. The spiritual leader makes appearances at annual fundraisers for Blum's American Himalayan Foundation, whose 170 projects Blum said include assistance to Tibetan refugees fleeing their Chinese-controlled homeland. Blum, with growing investments in China, obtained the permits from Beijing for the first — and only — ascent of the east face of Mount Everest, in 1983. He wasn't on that climb but was part of an earlier 1981 expedition that had to turn back when the mountain seemed untamable. The couple's connection to China has been controversial. When Feinstein was thinking about running for governor in 1997, critics cited a conflict of interest because of the appearance of Blum money mixing with Feinstein's official business. The couple vehemently denied any connection, but even now Blum says that his advocacy for the Tibetan leader hasn't tempered Chinese interest in his investments there...
The tibetians can't do anything to rid themselves of their territory's imperial lovers. They have the extreme unluck (together with the nepalese) of living in "the water reservoir" of Pakistan, India, Indochina and China. But as the Himalayan glaciers melt away in a few years from now, their problem will disappear with the water. As will most wheat and rice production of these countries, and much of their their populations. Drying out the biggest rivers in East and South Asia is one of the worst consequences of global warming. This issue of course is not discussed at all in the american "election" campaign.
ha, ha, you can't tell the people round here about global warming - they think it is a hoax concocted by the rothschilds and h.m. the duke of edinburgh.
the melting of the glaciers and polar ice is no hoax no one said it, only that also an ice age can follow and that warming can have other causes than CO-2, burning of fossil stuffs i.e natural changes or the sun.
the problem for the scientists is to measure an average global temperature for the oceans, surface and layers of the atmosphere, but the melting of the glaciers is seen everywhere.
the melting of the glaciers is seen everywhere.
Allegedly the New Zealand glaciers are expanding:
WORLD`S GLACIERS (SUPPOSEDLY) MELTING FASTER
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi...cgi?
read=121048
(if you want to see some citizen skeptics.)
The word "citizen", when used adjectivally,means the same as "moron".
Rainfall is usually associated with corresponding evaporation.
Over the last 50 years a phenomenon known as the Pan Evaporation Paradox has become apparent.
"The annual rate of evaporation from open pans averaged over Australia between 1970 and 2004 shows variability around a long term downward trend.
...The overall downward trend averaged 2.8mm per year per year for the 30 years since 1975
when widespread reliable data came available to 2004.
That is a 3% decrease of the annual pan evaporation rate over 30 years.
Thus the trend in Australia has been of similar magnitude to the trend in the northern hemisphere."
http://www.rsbs.anu.edu.au/Resea...n-
evap_2004.pdf
But rain has not decreased by that amount.
In some areas it has decreased but in others it has increased.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/uD3uXhJo.jpg
To explain the discrepancy some have come up with "a mathematical model how lower pan evaporation rates actually indicate higher terrestrial evaporation..."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/
rele...61106164855.htm
They are saying that the water is evaporating everywhere but out of the pan!
That is like saying that the temperature at the thermometer is different o the temperature everywhere else.
"How, some scholars have asked, could there be less evaporation when more rain and snow are falling?"
http://www.jhu.edu/news_info/new...98/
paradox.html
These people go with the "..lower pan evaporation rates actually indicate higher terrestrial evaporation.." idea.
I don't.
"Scientists measuring the health of almost 30 glaciers around the world found that ice loss reached record levels in 2006, the U.N. agency said."
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...KaxxVQD8VE6KB01
If they were really serious they could monitor them all with satellite photography.
There are only about 600 of them.
Surely if we are in such dire danger we could do a proper job.
We may be warming up a bit if you look at "global" temperature, but if you consider it from a hemispherical point of view, the top half is getting a bit warmer and the bottom half is getting a bit cooler.
The order of magnitude of change in the PEP is much greater but you hardly ever hear about it.
QED.
really interesting, thanks, so it's plausible that these are regional changes (Spain and Sahara drying out) and astounding with the Himalaya, the fate of some billions of people depends on this water. But not convincing the UN prophets, CO-2-license market, and oil prices (but energy saving is possible).
um, THE EARTH IS GETTING WARMER - you have all admitted that. Your so called 'argument' is all about WHY.
and THE WORLD IS GETTING STUPIDER.
our main debate is about WHY.
all these highly paid lobbyists are saying is, "well, it has been getting warmer and colder since the year dot, so this is nothing to worry about, just a random oscillation due to sunspots."
that may be good enough for fritz, but I am not that STUPIDER yet.
We urgently need to plant some more effective stupidity sinks.
Is it possible the magnetic poles are shifting? I remember during the 1990's how alot of TV producers went schizoid on the subject.
The magnetic poles are always shifting, the biggee is when they flip N-->S and S-->N.
That PEP is interesting. Evaporation depends on temperature, humidity, air movement. A good day for drying your laundry is when the air is hot, dry and breezy.
Reduced PE (the PEP) can suggest the air is cooler, moister or stiller than before. Tricky to interpret as change in one factor when two or three can be involved.
all these highly paid lobbyists are saying is, "well, it has been getting warmer and colder since the year dot, so this is nothing to worry about, just a random oscillation due to sunspots."
Well rowan your laser-like intelligence can detect the distinction between global warming due to solar effects, and global warming due to anthropogenic effects. Even if they could, humans can only stop what humans do, not what the sun does.
That said, there is also the difference between global warming as a knowledge (scientific) issue, and 'global warming' as a policy issue. The latter is likely to stampede us into stupid things, like using food for fuel, or clearcutting rainforests for oilpalms, or putting in thousands of nuke power stations.
It might also assist in promoting more reasonable use of resources, like doing more with less, not wasting so much, promoting local economies, less ostentatious consumption, etc. In other words, promoting human conscience especially among the more well-off. Even if 'global warming' were a myth, it might be a useful myth if it brings about an improvement in human attitudes towards the planet. Hard to believe, but it might work.
could the prevalence of "industry" in the Northern Hemisphere have something to do with this heat shift?
"Even if 'global warming' were a myth, it might be a useful myth,..."
righteo | 03.23.08 - 8:41 pm | #
We need to appreciate the intrinsic value of our world.
Man and his world have been devalued by the outlook of modernism.
We can recover our dignity and the dignity of our world if we change our view of ourselves.
A outlook built on a sound understanding is what we need.
Some of the well intentioned stuff is based on distortion of reality.
We have a saying that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
First we must see ourselves in the light of a new dawn.
Demonizing CO2, which is literally the bread of life, is not the answer.
righteo | 03.23.08 - 7:31 pm
Good points, well made.
Also, one would expect that pre-existing solar (hours per day of sunlight) records could be interpreted for changes in solar output. In the Good Old Days this record was created by sunlight passing through a lense onto a rotating paper scale leaving a trail of charred paper in bright sunlight. One imagines that modern devices would (similarly) measure and record variations in intensity. This would help to either confirm or eliminate solar intensity as a current factor in GW.
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