The "sucking sound" you hear will be the USD going into the toilet.


Toyota seems to do OK making mass-market cars and paying Japanese wages.


Gravatar Cerberus was brought to our attention previously, probably because of the Jerry Lewis bribe:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/was...rus- cover_x.htm


Gravatar Sucked up the World Com fallout too? Damn top feeding scavengers! lol


Gravatar RB, regarding your Hebrew keyboard request the other day, here's Firefox plug in that might help:

Any key 1.5.7
Allows typing into phonetic Russian, Ukrainian, Amharic, Arabic, Armenian, Hindi Davangari, Hebrew, Mongolian, greek... transforming translit into the choosen language...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/...efox/addon/ 3990


Gravatar I tried to download and install it, but I couldn't, however, thanks for the tip.


Gravatar Nice try Xymphora but completely wrong. The neocons have not problem with China. Read CFR's Foreign Affairs mag. if it's good for the Jews the neos are for it and China is good for the Jews (at least for now) what do you think H. Paulson is doing there. Jewish leader in New York use CFR employees and resources to built contacts for the tribe in China.

If the U.S. controls energy flow it would be just one more pressure point to control China. So yes they are in conflict. The name of the game is control.

Labor is certainly fluid. How else would you explain the 20 million Mexicans in the States today, not to mention the Poles in Britian. HeHeHe

Cerberus isn't going to bring anything back. They'll sell of the assets and declare victory. If Daimler couldn't get Chrysler profitable the Wall Street Boys certainly won't be able too. Besides there are a lot of military age men in the rust belt so the establishment are not going to be offering them jobs in the private sector.


Gravatar How highly cynical of you, Me; but I expect that you have the right of it.


Gravatar RB, it seems their server may time out when you try a direct connection to this directory path.

Try it again at:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/...efox/addon/ 3990

If that doesn't work, try going to their plugin home at

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/.../en-US/ firefox/

click on "much more"

then "RSS, News and Blogging"

scroll down, go to the next page and you will find it.

Btw, Cooliris is also pretty cool.


Gravatar I found it, it won't install, forget it, ok?


Gravatar Surely the point regarding China is who controls their banks. Asia Times reports frequently on this.


Gravatar Any key 1.5.7
Xenophile | 05.31.07 - 5:41 am | #

Xenophile, I installed it but all I get is a small table with the Russian alphabet. Period. No help screen, no toggle for other alphabets, no nothing; just an X in the upper right-hand corner to close it. Is this it?


Gravatar Anyone who wants to understand the China situation should read

The GERM, or, Commie dollars

at sandersresearch.com


Gravatar Cal, I'm sorry for recommending a program I haven't installed myself.

I suppose there are different keyboard layouts that can be activated with the F2 key. In the download page there is these instructions:

* Use F2 to switch to selected keyboard.
* Use Ctrl Shift M to convert selected text from translit.
* Use Ctrl Shift K to look at the reference map


Gravatar Xymph:

All that theory about the American 'Establishment' taking back America sounds almost believable BUT the Zionists have already planted the seeds of America's destruction by unleashing not just 911 but an enormous flood of credit (fiat $$$) which will drown America and a good part of the rest of the world in the next (Grand) Depression! The Zionist Neocons (Israel Lobby) have almost TOTAL control of what happens next to achieve their 'Greater Israel' ambitions. There is A LOT more going on here than you can see. If you really want to SEE!, visit my website - and SEE! the PROPHECIES


Gravatar China’s control of their banks is an illusion, just as Russian control of their banks were at the turn of the century. The key is the control of the flow of capital and that is very much in the hands of the international financiers, our friends.

China has major problems. They have huge riots out side the main “industrial sectors” that are seldom reported on, certainly not in the China daily. The country people know they are not participating in the “boom”. The Chinese are not disciplined people; they are ruled by their passions and one of their biggest passions is gambling. The everyday Chin is pawing his belongings to play the stock market. You’ll have noticed how that market is doing the last few weeks. Most of these people will lose a lot and they won’t be happy. The few on the top will take what they made and invested in the West. 20% of Blackrock investment firm was just bought by a Chinese. Take a look at this site. http://www.law.harvard.edu/progr...fs/ chinaus.html
Zoellick and Harvard are involves, so tell me that’s good for China… think Russia. They don’t need to restructure the U.S. they’ve got that sewed up.

The U.S. will steadily inflate the dollar, robbing both Joe six-pack and Mme Chin. China will need to be financed and our friends will oblige for a price and the price will be direct control of China’s central bank. Check mate.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007...siness/ yuan.php


Gravatar ME:

'Our friends' may be your friends but they are not our (America's) friends :O
'Our friends' are Zionist-controlled international banksters, criminals and traitors to America! The term 'Illuminati' is generally used to describe them - Lucifer's worshipers. They worship in the "Synagogue of Satan"! :O


Gravatar I was being sarcastic Godsend. "Chin" is the common man/woman on the street.


Gravatar The deliberate destruction of America's economy by Greenspan, Bernanke and their Zionist masters includes the creation of Inflation (concealed and disguised by the Gov't [CPI and M3] but happening NOW) and a HUGE trade imbalance (deficit). Together with flooding the financial markets with fiat $$$ (credit), these strategies have triggered the (inevitable) next Depression (the Depression is already in progress - Housing Bubble bursting). America will be 'history' and so will China. Who does that leave?


Gravatar I can accept the idea that the Bush/Zionist agenda for the ME was to create chaos not order(see the link to Bleier in Xymph's lead posting two days ago), but I cant accept the idea that the "illuminati" are creating global depression so that they can gobble up the stranded assets.

What would the value of those stranded assets be after global depression? It would take several decades for the world to return to its present level of economic activity (if ever), and all that time, shares of Microsoft, GE, Exxon, etc., would have a tenth of their current value. Don't tell me any current wealth-holder would be willing to eradicate 90% of his current wealth in order to have a bigger piece of a hypothetical future pie.

If you want to know what Israeli capitalists are actually doing with their wealth, go to Jonathan Nitzan's website. Nitzan is a professor of economics at York University in Canada.


Gravatar It is not necessarily the case that the Chinese banking system is going to fall into th ehands of the usual suspects.

The Chinese are not fools, you know.

As I said, you can get started on this topic if you read the section of Asia Times devoted to it. It's complex.


Gravatar One of the most interesting relationships to watch is that between Israel and Russia.

bobw:

When Zionists think about the NWO, they mean an entirely different NEW WORLD ORDER! That requires an entirely different kind of thinking, including 'economic values' - or ANY values, for that matter. You need to think like someone who can seriously contemplate the Samson option!

Anyway, their issue is FAR greater than economic values. Remember the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - it's an Instruction Book for the NWO! - sort of a "NWO for Dummies"


Gravatar Why don't you just fuck off again, God's end?


Gravatar To focus on the Chrysler issue. It may not be the fault of Chrysler that it finds itself in the sticky stuff and maybe Daimler has something to own up to.
Their management of Chrysler mirrors the handling of Rover Group by BMW. To wit not actually investing a penny in the Longbridge plant and yet blaming it for all the Groups woes. Yes, BMW did invest in Rover Group but only at plants which they then kept ie Land Rover-subsequently sold to Ford for £2 Billion. Cowley, now known as Oxford and the home of the BMW Mini. In fact the employees at Longbridge were shown models illustrating the planned redevelopment of the site only weeks before BMW declared it's intention to ditch the plant!! I wonder if the same kind of machinations are taking place around Chrysler.


Gravatar Oh and the new BMW 1 series car was actually developed as the replacement Rover 45.


Gravatar I never left


Gravatar Weapons manufacturing is still an important economic sector in the US. I have read only recently that the Americans have required the Afghan army to abandon its AK-47 automatic rifles and to adopt American-made M-16s instead, which are less reliable and require more maintenance. There's a clear case of warfare in pursuit of economic ends, just as great-great-grandfather Marx said.


Gravatar rifles? meaningless


Gravatar "Greater Israel" - on the march!

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew- geno...1946to2000.html


Gravatar I'll tell you why everything is slumping, the auto, music and entertainment idustries. A 100%, total lack of imagination. Inspiration lacking, what we see now and more than ever are ideas forced out of frontal lobes that coincide with our instant everything world of tomorrow, today. That, and way too many choices that we know are chic today - shit the next, they just end up cancelling each other out before finding their individual stride. Once in a blue moon we'll see a person in the entertainment industry who shines or a one of a kind car design, but most trend setters [especially in the music industry] after a season or two goes by, can stand back and see the thousands of weak copies fighting one another for the top rung on the ladder of succes, to not even being noticed in the fall of endless oblivion into the "weren't you almost really famous once" one hit wonder bottomless pit. Imagination is the key. Even Albert Einstein knew that.
But also, I think most of today's youth are tired of the bullshit {thanks to the internet} and want substance now and not to be seen as a slave to the latest fad. That "fashion before comfort" phrase is itself fading fast.

Even cartoons for the last 30 years, are one long drawn out commercial and are trying to corner kids imaginations just so they can sell them the stuffed toys or plastic robots.


Gravatar Let a retired (but also re-employed) -industry guy explain something:

IT MIGHT WORK BUT--

Yes, it might. Move it offshore like the TV, consumer electronics, and Vitamin C companies, and indeed it will work in the short term.

The short term. The only thing most Zionized Americans understand anymore.

Because in the LONG TERM non-millionaire Americans will not be able to AFFORD the cars, TVs and Vitamin C that foreigners are making.

Missing in most analyses on all this is the fact that China's consumer market is beginning to explode, UPWARD, in direct proportion to ours, which is imploding, DOWNWARD.

At some point that will make the costs of actual manufactured goods prohibitive for "post-industrial" (ie, post-civilized) economies.

China, like the US in the fifties, will find it more lucrative to serve their own markets Far more so than rather shipping it to us for the privilege of scooping up more FED funny-money.

At that point... screw it, we're almost AT that point.

As far back as the 70s old hands at steel plants were telling Americans "Don't do it, dammit" because if you lose your industry you lose your destiny. At the same time, US farmers were saying the same thing. Now we even get FOOD COLORING from overseas.

US farmers and steelworkers, RIP pretty much, had a point. But we got snookered by the neocons instead. The rest is the history of the Asian bull market and the American eclipse.


Gravatar Nothing is for sure, there is only precedent. I don't trust the MSM when they report on the Middle East, so I see no reason to trust the MSM when they report on the Chinese economy. The Russians weren't fools either but we know what happened there, though it was complex.


Gravatar It is an extraordinary achievement of propaganda to think that the fate industrial conglomerates is synonymous with the fate of a country.

The "What is good for GM is good for the US" type of slogan serves only to keep the system of corporate welfare oiled and running. The best indicator of the viability of an economy is the shape of its small and medium enterprises. It is they who are responsible for most jobs, taxes, innovation, and local economic benefit.

Big car makers may be national champions in the minds of the hoi polloi, but their net economic impact in terms of bullying suppliers into bankruptcy, transfer-pricing, state-subsidies, lobbying and tax evasion may be very negative indeed.

In off shoring Chrysler, Cerberus is simply recognizing that American car manufacturers are nothing but maquiladoras putting together someone else's industrial output and selling it with a known brand and a captive distribution network.

No tears for Chrysler's demise nor for that of any other corporate monster.


Gravatar You're totally right Xeno. Small and medium enterprises are also much more responsive and responsible to the communities they're located in. When the owner has to look his fellow citizens in the eyes the bottom line doesn't always come first. George Knupffer believes that it was the idea of "share" ownership that promoted bottom line first mentality (greed), because it allowed absentee owns to profit apart from the communities in which they lived. It also allowed our parasite group to remain undercover.


Gravatar Godsend; NWO, meanwhile we have studied the Talmud a little bit - how would that be as name for a new Chrysler model: Mishna Van? - but what kind of order should come from this book of hate? Probably you mean that ironically, NWO. Everything the Zionists have led the goyim to undertake is ending in a terrible mess, the wars the economy, as you said. It can only get worse, Talmud World Order, TWO.


Gravatar "The hourglass is ticking"
says Benjamin Netanyahu


Gravatar "The hourglass is ticking"
Mixed metaphor!


Gravatar they are getting all frazzled, mixed metaphors will be the least of it - they are calling in their chips.

She gave private assurances that she would personally ensure the boycott would not pass.

Sally Hunt gave 'assurances' during her election campaign that she would be able to prevent a popular decision? How very 'democratic'.


Gravatar Immigrant Absorption Minister Ze'ev Boim has suggested that Jewish donors supporting academic institutions in the United Kingdom freeze their donations following the boycott proposal.


Gravatar Netanyahu is right about something 'ticking' BUT I'm sure he doesn't suspect exactly what is 'ticking' for Israel! The rebellious house of Israel has a 'colorful' past (as in 'Golden Calf') and they just can't seem to comprehend that Yahweh eventually runs out of patience and then lowers the boom on them, yet again. This time, they've really 'done it' by forcing the creation of the State of Israel against His will (just ask any true Torah Jew) - not to mention all those other countless 'abominations' and idol worship which Israel commits daily.

When Theodor Herzl merrily joined the other worshipers in the "Synagogue of Satan", he must have completely ignored all the previous 'lessons'! Ezekiel foretold exactly (more or less) how Hashem is going to mete out punishment: MELT them! Could that be the reason He let them gather all those nukes in Dimona illegally? :O Oy, veh! Or perhaps Russia can be persuaded to 'deliver' a few stray (multiple warhead) nukes?! Oooops! If the Americans can bomb a Chinese embassy by mistake, who's to say that the Russians can't make a similar mistake?! :O "So sorry - we must have used old maps in our training exercise! Where should we send our 'Wiedergutmachen' money?"


Gravatar Israeli agents 'helped Entebbe hijackers'
Peter Day, Daily Telegraph (London), 01/06/2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...1/ nhijack01.xml

An extraordinary claim that Israeli intelligence may have had a hand in an airline hijacking before sending in commandos to rescue the hostages at Entebbe was made to the Foreign Office. It came via David Colvin, the first secretary at the British embassy in Paris, according to a newly released National Archives file. He heard it from a contact in the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association three days after the Air France flight from Tel Aviv to Paris was seized in mid-air by Palestinians and German terrorists on June 27, 1976. Mr Colvin told his superiors that his source suggested that the attack was carried out by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine with help from the Israeli Security Service, the Shin Bet. It was designed to torpedo the rival Palestine Liberation Organisation's standing in France and to prevent what they saw as a growing rapprochement between the PLO and the Americans. ''My contact said that the PFLP had attracted all sorts of wild elements, some of whom had been planted by the Israelis,'' Mr Colvin added. The message was received without comment by the Foreign Office but later officials recorded that a journalist from the Liverpool Post, Leo Murray, had also told them that a splinter group of PFLP was planning a series of spectacular incidents to disrupt contacts between the PLO leader Yasser Arafat and the US. An official noted: 'If, as Mr Murray's sources allege, the aim of the Entebbe hijacking was to prevent the development of relations between Arafat and the West, and Arafat knew this, it would provide another motive for Arafat's recent approach to the French in Cairo warning us of further attacks.'' Most of the file is taken up with Foreign Office attempts to distance itself from the Israeli raid while privately admitting that the Israelis were probably justified in sending their troops into President Idi Amin's Uganda. Frank Wheeler, the first secretary, reported that there was abundant evidence of Ugandan collaboration with the hijackers. Palestinians had been brought from Mogadishu in President Amin's private jet to join the hijackers, according to the file.


Gravatar Gods end,

If we have it entirely Yahweh, you got some explaining to do.


http://www.biblebelievers.com/ Gi..._answer_09.html

http://www.amazon.com/Mythic-Pas...h/dp/ 0465006221

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-...1466546- 3721744


Gravatar BMW 1 series a Longbridge Rover? Not from all the prototype Rover shots I've seen. Are you referring to the underpinnings?


Gravatar Speaker


Gravatar More violins, this time from Nobel physics laureate Weinberg, a man of the left! no less, coming to the defence of poor put-upon Izzy, as xymp told us:
http://www.engageonline.org.uk/b...cle.php? id=1036


Gravatar The Electronic Intifada reports that "Yesterday the governing body of the UK's University and College Union voted overwhelmingly to support a boycott of Israeli academia. Today UNISON, the UK's largest public service union announced it will vote on similar motions at its next congress. As Israel's house of horror grows, so does the movement to confront it. In that there is great hope."

Nil desperandum!


Gravatar Here's a piece I wrote and posted on my old website in 2001, just after 9/11.

Sorrow
I got a little distracted along the way and didn't get to write this piece earlier.
Someone (an American) said, how did we get to this place? concerning recent events. My heart reached out to her. Regardless of the plight of the Palestinian people or the impending invasion of Afghanistan, I could mourn for the loss of the innocence of the American people. I could mourn for the loss of 6800 people in the plane crashes.
I mourned the police and the firefighters who died in the WTC. My wife Agnes and I were in N.Y.C. on new years eve 1992, Times Square. She was gloriously pregnant with our first child, and as we waited at a light gave me this great big kiss. A passing fire truck went yeow! and we chatted with the firemen. A perfect New York moment and of course we mourned they may have been among the brave rescuers who died on 9/11. Agnes, Aruna (our daughter) and I travelled through the U.S. 1993-1995 on our spiritual journey. Wherever we went we were treated with the greatest kindness. Strangers took us into their homes for months at a time. Of course we love the American people (if not their government) and we mourn for them. They have lost their freedoms and their innocence, and do not even understand why. The power to be responsible for their own lives has passed on to the multi-nationals and their lives changed forever.

More than any thing else at this time what the American people need is a person who can articulate all that is best about being American and inspire them to be the people they can be. I hope that person will show up soon.


Gravatar Would we really be that badly off if Jews weren't in academia? The quality of research would probably go up and the people who really do the work might get some credit. Germany did fine without them.


Gravatar ooops, ME | 05.31.07 - 11:37 am - Blackstone Group, not/i> Blackrock and it's 10% not 20%


Gravatar Would we really be that badly off if Jews weren't in academia?

I can honestly say that jews are not needed in academia. However I have known jews in academia and have benefited from their acquaintance. They are all right if they are not the pushy arrogant type.


Gravatar I am reading a beautiful webpage called Germans Helped Build America - and how has America repaid them?


Gravatar *I am reading a beautiful webpage called Germans Helped Build America - and how has America repaid them?

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com...ica/ ghba00.html


Gravatar Yes righteo I will read that site. A quick glance at the index makes me think you would enjoy "The Lost German Slave Girl" by John Bailey


Gravatar John Bailey, a.k.a. Mr Iris Murdoch?


Gravatar According to Längin, there was a certain recollection that "Walter Chrysler (Kreisler) had founded the automobile manufacturing company that is named for him;

Now might be a good time to change it back... and introduce more of the good German engineering. Being owned by Benz for a while certainly hasn't hurt the quality of the product.

I question, however, if it would be honest to not give the German-Jews some credit for that.


Gravatar I don't know. On the back cover it says John Bailey is alive and living in Australia. He also wrote the "White Divers of Broome" I haven't read it.


Gravatar Juan - that article on Germans in USA referred to several Germans whom I'd have thought were German jews, but it also refers to jews alone, so some further research is needed.

It tends to lump the Anglos together with jews in their general attitudes. That's understandable from a German point of view, given what the 20c. did to Germany!


Gravatar "Language shapes thought. Personally, I would rather not switch to a language that has no word of its own for Heimat and whose speakers, as history has shown, behave accordingly"

We do have a word for it's antitheses.
Multiculturalism.


Gravatar ME - okay, another John Bailey, according to a quick internet search. Will keep an eye out for his books.


Gravatar OT (Firefox)
Re: Xenophile | 05.31.07 - 5:41 am

Rowan Berkeley | 05.31.07 - 7:46 am

Cal Dalton | 05.31.07 - 10:59 am

There's a current (May 30) FireFox update. I only discovered it an hour ago. Could this be the reason RB's & CD's efforts failed?


Gravatar Paul, the pictures shown to Rover employees included shots of what was touted as the overdue replacement of the 45 and it looked very much like the 1 series that BMW launched a couple of years after abondoning Rover.


Gravatar Blind Tiger Eye:

We have it Yahweh and His Son. They will do all the explaining necessary in due time - SOON! The Holy Spirit will also make His contribution :O

When They get their Act together, NO additional explanations will be necessary because everyone will SEE!, see!

Don't try to make simple things complicated and confusing! The Devil and his worshipers do that!


Gravatar This has to with cars: Goethe invented a word in his Faust as characteristic for modern times: "veloziferisch" composed of velocitas, velocity, and luzifer, Mephisto, whom Faust invited into his house as he was in the shape of a big, black poodle.. and then the disaster took its run.
The word ´Heimat´(same as home)and modern times get into a contradiction, more and more.
(above) Btw: wintersonnwende has much to read, a good site, but I´m still reading. Though for WWII, 80% of the Americans did´nt want to enter into a war until Roosevelt did 911, no he knew about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the radio messages were decoded (book by Robert B.Stinnett) and he had the Japanese sort of cornered (Gore Vidal). Now, like ManFA says, the international corporations believe they can run the world.


Gravatar Godsend, do you live in the USA? ... or someplace that is safe?


Gravatar http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...s/1838095/ posts

interesting piece and comments on Karaites.

does Rowan happen to know, however, anything about the European Karaites whom the chief interviewee claimed had renounced all Jewish identity and
whether he has accurately characterized this supposed split?


Gravatar Juan:

The only safe place to be is in God's hand! (that means, it doesn't matter where you are physically - it only matters where you are spiritually)

Yes, I'm in the USA today. And where, in the world, are you, Juan?


Gravatar I fled into the mountains with nothing from the household and only the clothes on my back.


Gravatar Juan:

Hmmmmm.....you may have been a bit early! Is there plenty of water and food in those mountains? What about shelter, soap, a toothbrush and toothpaste? A good pair of shoes is also essential for mountain living. You may have to change your socks and shorts a few times. Is there a stream nearby? I hope you took a good, sharp knife along - it comes in handy for all sorts of things! And how will you keep warm? Do you have DSL in those mountains? Are you posting from your battery-operated laptop? Better find an outlet before the battery runs dry!

Well, be that as it may, consider the following article by David J. Meyer (hot off the press, so-to-speak) - it's enough to make anyone run to the mountains (but it may not do any good!):

http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org (June 2007)


Gravatar That article about karaites seems to me to reveal its real purpose within the firts few pargraphs (as one would expect from the JPost, which does nothing without a hasbara brief : I think the purpose of the article and of the showcase synagogue in beersheva is to diminish the credibility of the supposed 'non-jewish karaites of the caucasus', who may not even exist any more, but whose arrangement with the nazis to be counted as non-jews remains deeply offensive and threatening to the jewish power structure.


Gravatar OT (Firefox)
There's a current (May 30) FireFox update. I only discovered it an hour ago. Could this be the reason RB's & CD's efforts failed?

Hoarsewhisperer | 06.01.07 - 12:27 pm | #

Not in my case, HW; I have that update. Thanks anyway!


Gravatar Yes, you nailed one of the purposes of the JP piece at least. I would
like to find any remaining of the Caucasus wherever they might have migrated and/or any Karaites who
identify with their strategy.


Gravatar Ken, this seems to be their own site in english :
http://www.turkiye.net/sota/karaim.html


Gravatar On the page at that site which discusses the question of whether the Karaites of the Caucasus are in fact the descendents of the Khazars, there is the following footnote:

(The) Mandeglis (or Medgelis) Document - This is an early manuscript which was allegedly discovered by Abraham Firkovich in the wall of the synagogue of Mandeglis (or Medgelis) in the Caucasus in 1840/1. The document, 58 x 15,5 cm, was published by the (proFirkovich) Orientalist D.A. Chwolson in 1863. It mentions a visit of the Kievan ambassador to the Crimean Khazar ruler, to consult him about which religion to adopt. A.Y. Harkavy claimed that it was a forgery, after it disappeared conveniently in 1876 from the St Petersburg library of which Harkavy himself was in charge. This event contributed to the bad name Firkovich and his publications got in academic circles. But, surprisingly, the Mandeglis document was recently rediscovered (by V.V. Lebedev) in the same St Petersburg library, from which it was supposed to have disappeared. New archeological discoveries have caused Vsevold L. Vikhnovich and others to assume that there is at least a nucleus of historical truth in the story told in it. This episode raises, however, some interesting questions regarding A.Y. Harkavy's reliability and trustworthiness.

In other words, the Jew Harkavy attempted to discredit the pioneer of the theory that the Karaites were the descendents of the Khazars, by accusing him of fraud and somehow concealing the evidence that would have exonerated him.


Gravatar Ken, this seems to be their own site in english :
http://www.turkiye.net/sota/karaim.html

Rowan Berkeley | Homepage | 06.03.07 - 5:09 am | #

But these people are in Crimea, on the northern shore of the Black Sea, part of Ukraine, and a long way from the Caucasus.

I am currently reading a history (a travelogue, really) of the Caucasus called Highlanders by Yo'av Karny (Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, isbn 0-374-22602-4). 436 pp.

It is a remarkably readable book. Being a Jew himself, Karny was especially attentive to any trace of Jews in the
Caucasus. He found some remnants in northern Azerbaijan, near the town of Quba; Jews of antiquity (their legend has them dating back to the days of King Solomon), known as "mountain Jews", of indeterminante origin. They live amongst a Caucasian tribe called the Lezgin. There is no mention of any Karaites; the word is not in the book's index.

Incidentally one gets a very sympathetic impression of the Caucasians ("Circassians") in general. These people have a heroic but tragic history. This area was the target of one of Russia's great 19th-century imperialist wars. The town of Lazarevskoe, on the eastern shore of the Black Sea near Sochi, is named in honour of Admiral Mikhail Lazarev, a highly distinguished person in his own right and one of the great conquerors of the Caucasus through that war.




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