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I agree with every one of those proposals.
I hadn't realized the progress evangelical Christians have made in China. I'm surprised the Communist leadership hasn't reacted.
I wouldn't give up on Europe yet. I know the demographics don't look encouraging but 730 million Europeans are starting to wake up to the threat of Islamic fundamentalism. I don't believe that they will go down without a fight.
Also Australia is making a strong stance against Islamofascism.
Good one Ath II. I'm on it.
Excellent post, the list of viable defensive solutions you've included is more complete than any I've seen before.
It truly reflects on the propaganda power of the MSM and the density of practically all of our politicians on both sides of the aisle that so many Americans have not long since connected the dots (while I had planned to wait to finish the book I'm reviewing first, I've found it inpossible to resist "peeking" into "America Alone") given, as Mark Steyn so aptly puts it,
"Now we switch on the news every evening and, though there are many trouble spots around the world, as a general rule it's easy to make an educated guess at one of the participants: Muslims vs. Jews in "Palestine", Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, Muslims vs. Christians in Africa, Muslims vs. Buddhists in Thailand, Muslims vs. Russians in the Caucasus, Muslims vs. backpacking tourists in Bali, Muslims vs. Danish cartoonists in Scandinavia."
I wonder if it's actually possible to overcome all the lefty influence and CAIR propaganda to wake people up -- I mean, how dense do our fellow Americans have to be to fail to recognize a pattern on their own?
Good post, Atheling.
Do not count on Europe waking up. The media here is just as controlled as in the US. Problems with jihadists are soft-pedaled as "disturbances by North African youths", and details not reported. The people seem to have lost any sense of danger despite actually knowing where they are headed and seem content to ride along with whatever they are told.
The US will not fare too much better until changes are made to that insanity called media. Without a real voice to guide them on the national level, there will be continuing ignorance and apathy. The US has room for other voices on national media than the ones presently there and it is time to force new and reasonable voices onto the screen. Competition in media is our longer term strength, just as monopoly of the TV screens has been the strength for leftists for the past forty or fifty years.
Nice to see a clear plan that average folks can engage in.
I certainly hope that the West does something concrete to combat this menace and soon. Otherwise, Fascism will be looked at as the only salvation for the West. I once read that in his final days in the bunker someone asked Hitler if Nazism would ever make a comeback. He said it might in about 100 years. A rather frightful statement, since many studies say Europe will become Islamized right around 2045. Hopefully, democracy will get the job done before things do reach that point.
Agree 100% - but we are fighting two fronts. We are up against Islam, and the Liberal Press/Politicians that support and aid them.
American Crusader:
The Chinese Christians are mainly underground, but they are growing. It's interesting that historically the Church has always thrived under persecution. We must pray for them and do what we can to support them. The Catholic Church has great hopes for our Chinese brothers and sisters. Their martyred blood is what sustains Christianity.
Seth:
I'm looking forward to your book review and to your opinions on Mark Steyn's book. I thought it was excellent! Yes, the liberal media and most of our politicians are blind or too craven to face what's going on. I just read a fabulous speech given by Rick Santorum in October when he was stumping for reelection. He gets it!
Flanders:
You're over in Europe, aren't you? Well, what are the people there saying? I mean the man on the street. You don't get to hear much of that from the media here or across the pond. Aren't they waking up? A friend of mine thinks that the French will wake up and get real nasty at some point. I'm more of a mind to think that Europe is finished. Unless they start having babies and kick out their Muslim population, they are on a collision course they can't avoid.
ISLAMSFORLOSERS:
I've predicted the rise of totalitarianism in Europe as a desperate remedy for their problems over a year ago. It bears watching. But I also wonder if they've been so "defanged and declawed" that they can't fight back.
Prysson:
You're right. At least two fronts to this war. We also have the 5th column in academia who are producing leftwing automatons like the Borg in droves. It's dismal. I think it will have to take a dirty bomb to go off in one or many major American cities for everyone to wake up and for the ball to start rolling.
Hi, Atheling. I'm going to send this link out to other bloggers I know who focus almost extensively on Islamofascism.
This is definitely a war on two fronts; we are fighting both socialism and terrorism. I really wish we had more of a conservative voice on Television. Only one station, Fox News, gets it - and sometimes I wonder about them!
I really wish we had more of a conservative voice on Television. Only one station, Fox News, gets it - and sometimes I wonder about them!
FOX only seems conservative, because the other networks are so far to the left of center. I think FOX is only slightly right of center. They are still a "straight news" network, as CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc.
What I think would be interesting, is a conservative station, like talk radio, but reporting news items that conservative blogs are picking up on. Like the Jamil Hussein Burning Six story.
I noticed you mentioned the blood of Christian martyrs. What a remarkable difference than that of Islamic martyrs.
I noticed that the press doesn't investigate near as much as they used to. At least that's my perception.
From other than new services, I've heard reports about the 6 imans that clearly show they intended to be taken off the plane...but the press only reported initial observations from the imans and Islamic groups such as CAIR.
I would like to see a more substantial investigation into what transpired.
There ia many misconceptions about Islam those days, I suggest you read more:
Miracles of Allah Almighty:
http://miracles-of-allah.blogspot.com/
http://islamvoice.freehostia.com/
Atheling, Europe is flat unconcerned, or feel unable. They know that in order to fight the intruders, that they would need to fight their politicians and they are too damn deferrential to them as the government intentionally builds in a feeling of remoteness.
We Americans face some of the same and could learn to use some ingenuity and some backbone. Review the post at The Brussels Journal where the Danes in Denmark delivered a meaningful message. Americans can use some good inspiration to shake them from their apathy.
Flanders:
Do you mean the Danes dumping pigsblood on the spot where the Muslims wanted to build a new mosque?
I did read it, but what I last heard is that it wasn't confirmed yet. I'll check back.
coldfire:
Holy cow. Elvis sighters sure have competition.
Atheling, I enclose my response to a post that was recounting the long and varied history of the European peoples and then being critical of others for calling for their party to reject a platform favoring immigration. I think it applies equally to all countries where this is happening. It is titled Blip Back.
We have the blood from all those struggles of the past in us and it is time there was at least one party to represent us. Instead, they choose to represent those who travel from where they have fought against us and among each other for their thousands of years. It is time they return to their tribes. They do not respect our customs or institutions except the ones which hand them benefits or jobs, which are intended for us and our blood.
It is time it is recognized that we are the ones whose voice is to be heard. I don't care if they have majorities of votes, by rights given to them by machination of unscrupulous politicians, but not earned by them by good citizenship. They have not had long-term residence, they have not taken reasonable steps to assimilate, nor do they renounce the violence perpetuated by those with whom they choose to identify with by their own choice. They are the ones who are attempting to change our way of life and they do not have that right.
They are here by invitation of others than us or by means which are of no consequence to us despite purported and specious legallity. They accept manipulation by our governments for their benefit and for the benefit of officials who do not deserve to represent us or our governments. Their numbers are so great that our society is forever changed for us and our lawful heirs, our children and grandchildren and their progeny. It is past time for them AND our governments to change!
It is time for ALL the parties to represent us.Blip Back:
Atheling, I assume you have my email from the comment form. Feel free to contact me. It's good to hear American voices now and then. You do good work here. We are a lot of people and it is time we had others hearing our voices instead of the media buzzheads. Keep it up.
Hello atheling2: I am responding to your article that you have published today.
"you plot and God plans, the plan of God prevails". The article of yours: Combat Islam, amounts to a desperate evil propaganda against Islam and Muslims. While Islam is the Truth and Muslims are the victims of your imperial and Zionist evil behavior, you are demonizing the victims by associating them with fascism of Hitler and SIS, the Islamofascism. But in time the truth will prevail to expose the fact that it is you, the imperialists and Zionists, are the fascists and SIS kind of evil, not Islam and Muslims, no matter how much you are trying to make them one. You the evil-mongers will be defeated in this and in the life after. Stop demonizing Islam and Muslims, you will be better off.
You are paranoid by the progress of Islam, not only in the US but also in Russia, Africa, and South America. Right? You want your fellow imperialists and Zionist to act. Right? But what about winning the combat? Don't you want to agree that it is God's plan to scare you and paranoia you? Don't you want to recognize that it is God's plan that Islam is progressing all around you because you need to be discipline and punished for the crimes that you have been committing to the humanity for long enough time and now is the time for God to take care of you by the hands of the true believers representative of human dignity and justice, the Muslims? You can’t combat them if God is on their side, and truly so. I have a suggestion for you. Be nice to them and make them your true friend and stop you evil agenda of imperialism and Zionism. I guarantee you, Muslims will not do any harm to you, no matter whether you are surrounded by them or not. You must fix your faith and character, which you don't have, and look at Muslims as your cousins in reference to the father of all monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They already treat you as people of the book or as their cousins. The problem for them with you is that you are the evil-mongering cousins that are affecting not only them, but also the entire humanity. Remember, besides your evil acts of imperialism and Zionism, you also represent homosexualism, fornication, and adultery. Don't you remember that in your society over 60% of the children are born out of wedlock? What about alcoholism and racism? Don't you remember what had you done to the black slaves and native Indians in this land? You better fear God and fix your faith and character. Otherwise you are doomed.
well wisher:
Never. Islam will be destroyed. It is not a true religion. Mohammed was a rapist, pedophile, brigand and liar. He was visited by a demon, not an angel, who foisted the lies of the Enemy upon him, and now you people subscribe to those evils.
I will never "be friends" with people who practice an evil religion that tells them to go and murder innocents. Your absurd ranting against Israelis only demonstrate how sick and twisted your pseudo religion is. In the end, the God of Abraham and Moses will prevail, and Islam will be ground to the dust like all the other heresies of the past.
You are seriously misguided. Forget Mohammed and turn to the true God, Lord Jesus Christ. He is the TRUTH.
Wow. I never saw one of the Muzzies admit that they are trying to take over the world before.
Pretty scary, even for an evil imperialist like me.
"Racism?" I seem to recall that it was the muzzies who began the African slave trade...
Atheling: I guess we better convert now or else. This muzzie sounds like one of the crazy ones.
Mike:
They're STILL engaged in slave trading.
You're welcome to cut and paste the Islamofascist's comments to show some of your moonbats on your blog. I bet Arthur will just fall in love with him.
The muzzie said:
"you need to be discipline and punished"
Oh how exciting! Will you be using the handcufs, the leather straps or both? I can't wait!
There are some days when I wish we had left Saddam Hussein in power. He really knew how to handle crazies like this guy. If he hadn't gassed the Kurds and fed so many babies into wood chippers he might not have been so bad.
As it is the United States has been saving Muslim lives all over the planet from Kosovo to Indonesia and this is the thanks we get. Some crazy loon threatening to take over the world and "punish" us...
Fine muzzie... So you're going to feed the world with that bag of camel spit you people had before we started buying your oil?
Yeah, right!
Stop demonizing Islam and Muslims,
The Muslims themselves are doing a good job of it, all by themselves.
Well-wisher: What group of people are the ones doing all the killing of Muslims? It is Muslims. Muslim on Muslim violence. They do more than any other group in killing their own.
I don't think Allah is too happy with you, right now, Well-wisher. A call to prayer five times- make it a hundred times- a day if you want to, won't make up for, in the eyes of Allah, the shameful acts of carnage and enslavement Muslims have visited upon the world.
I wonder if it's the "zionist and imperialists" that are making the muzzies murder the Buddhist monks in Thailand...
Some religion of peace hunh?
Dear Well Wisher,
Here's the juice ace. Your people are killing innocents. They are killing children and noncombatants. It is not paranoid to take note of that fact and try to stop it.
Maybe you should heed the word of Ramses when he spoke of Moses: "His God, IS God".
It would be wise of the Islam religion to take heed of every single time they have taken the Jews on. They have lost miserably. I am not Jewish and not all that religious but I can realize something when it is beating me over the head like a symbolic club. God is on the side of the Jewish people. How many times must you and your religion go after the Jews and ultimately be huimiliated before you realize this?
So, get your nuclear weapons. Build your armies. We have a saying in the U.S. "The more things change, the more they stay the same".
Build your armies, Pharoah. "Our God, IS God".
Americans should realize the devastating effect that laws against "hate speech" are having on freedom of speech in Europe. This can be interpreted as being anything that the authorities in power deem it to be. In the US, there are already laws enacted to act as predecessors such as increased penalties. Gradualism will allow their further use, unless you are aware what they do.
The man on the street in Europe always has to consider whether his voice is being interpreted in a manner which criminalizes him. Publishers are afraid to speak openly and frankly and risk being closed down, fined or jailed. Except for the old classic "shouting fire in a crowded theater", any designation of speech by authorities is a limitation on free speech and is a tool of oppression against those exercising rights of free speech.
Once speech is gone, there is little to stop whatever is chosen to be inflicted on you.
To atheling2 or any other Islam hater or alike:
I came across your blog accidentally and would like to clear some points here after i read your comment about my blog and Islam in general. I hope u get my point of view too as i get yours, I will try to do my best and use the proper words.
I see you are having a good time laughing at the god's name on nature considering it as an optical illusions or some kind of that which i heavily doubt an optical illusion on something for example like an ocean forming Allah's name very clearly in arabic langauge while the image was taken from a neutral satellite imagery website globalsecurity.org that has nothing to do with Islam:
http://miracles-of-allah.blogspo...mi-
miracle.html
and the islamic mosques left behind without any damage after the disastrous water flood:
http://miracles-of-allah.blogspo...ed-
mosques.html
and you forget to mention anything about the scientific facts which proves that Islam is a true religion from a true god like the moon crack which was discovered lately by NASA and this miracle happened by prophet Muhammad and was mentioned on the Quran hundreds of years ago before a hubble telescope was made or even a man pass throw space:
http://miracles-of-allah.blogspo...ck-on-
moon.html
I would like you to check out my new posts today which is purely scientific miracles on the Quran and universe which revealed about 1400 years ago before a human ever invented telescopes or microscopes, how could this mentioned on the quran if it was written by prophet Muhammad as you claim or been taught?. It' logically that it was revlead by a higher power which is God.
If you were a truly intelligent and rational free thinker supported with some true knowledge on plain science your brain will lead you alone that this religion is the truth and there is only one God exist and he have only *one* message to humanity throw different books and prophets..this message u can call it Islam : from an arabic word "slam" means "peace" and "isteslam" means "submission" and in our case it's a submission of human will to one god worth of worshiping.
Like justice need the power to implement mercy..islam is a monotheism religion based on mercy but it needs some kind of power to defend itself on special circumstances. that doesn't mean it's a weak religion and we are all peaceful and just a bunch of spiritual mediators. it can defend itself very well.
But in the same time Islam didn't and will not encourage terrorism, on my opinion there is a very fine line differentiate between Terrorism and Jihad.
Terrorism is when terrorising safe un-armed people, but Justified Jihad is defending when ur being attacked against armed soldiers. that's my definition and distinction between Terrorism and Jihad and i believe it's true.
suppose there is some stranger is trying to break in your home and steal ur money and rape your wife and kidnap
Some parts of the world where they humiliate humans based specially on their race or religion of Islam, Like Bosnia or Palestine for example, when a group of armed Muslims try to defend their brothers and sisters in islam against the fierce enemy, that would be considered *Jihad* Not terrorism and it's completely justified in my point of view.
The media keep mixing between Jihad and Terrorism as they are the same Idea. and unfortunately non-muslims all over the world get confused and hate the word Islam and run away based on this. Besides it's for the benefit of Christianity at the same hit as the Second largest religion on the world after Islam to try to have a good chance to spread better and exploit those circumstances and make Islam image look worse.
Anyway, I feel you are looking at islam from a very Narrow point of view and keep pouring your hate throughout your blog posts, before you make a final judgment over islam as a whole. you should consider many many political and strategic aspects/Factors influencing the world events nowadays. Look at the Bigger Picture of the world at this century, also you should read more about Islam from authority resources. Cause regardless of islam itself we can't separate religions (spirtual) from science (physical), they are heavily overlaped.
This life with all it's suffer and problems is a 'testing ground' only..no more.it's not meant to be eternal. and God is experimenting us with eachother and with nature around.
Sometimes i give people who write something against islam a little but not complete excuse because the western media is falsely playing a Major Role on giving a corrupted image of islam as a religion solely of violence. if you got the chance to come and visit any muslim country and live enough time between muslims..you will find the true peace we are talking about which is missing on the western life with the highest and craziest crime levels compared to muslim countries. as far as my knowledge, on general the average on the West and Europe is *too high* compared to muslim countries, that's because we have a higher level of spirtuality. and any violence you see in the news is very bad sometimes i know but the Media is heavily Focus on those and Exploit them for some pure religious and political purposes not for making the world a better place!
Please read first very well and educate yourself about Islam from authority resources not from hatred ones before jumping to sarcastic conclusions and judging Islam as a whole.
continue to the first comment which was mistakenly truncated:
suppose there is some stranger is trying to break in your home and steal ur money and rape your wife and kidnap ur kids, suppose he did already..will you keep watching him without any resistance and say "i'm a peaceful man"?!
Muslims were getting killed, raped, insulted and tortured with thousands on many parts of the world..many years ago on Bosnia and Herzegovina, Chechnya (russia), Iraq, Palastine..and many more and still! even inside arab countries corrupted governments jails, the holy book of God "the Quran" was insulted by american soldiers on abu-ghraib prison on Iraq, there was many attempts to edit the Quran..and there is more other scandals the western media is revealing everyday to the rest of the world, it's a clear war against Islam as i can see everyday and it's not us whom started the spark of the fire, it's your own governments outer policies.
and i want to tell you something more..the truth have been always persecuted throw history.
Islam was not a religion started by the book of Quran and Prophet Mohammed..it was much earlier than that, But Prophet Mohammed was "The Seal of The Prophets" peace be upon them all send by Allah before the day of judgment.
Islam is the Strongest Message on Earth since the creation of the man until the day of judgement and No Force on earth whatsoever can eliminate it because a very simple reason : it's the message of the only God exist and it's supported by him.
and Don't get me wrong..I don't encourage Terrorism and Suicide Bombing or destroying buildings..etc. But when a whole country like Denmark for example publish a few cartoons insulting our prophet..we have at least the justified right to protest and defend our prophet and i would better say defend a prophet of God on general cause he was not sent exclusive for muslims or arabs alone but for all humanity to guide them. and i think the same will happen and christians will protest if it was Jesus peace be upon him who was insulted.
Every religion/faith/belief even any political movement have it's own fanatics and this is normal, But that doesn't mean necessary that those believes are wrong.
on other words, If there is Fanatics for Islam religion exist on earth that doesn't necessarily mean Islam is a false message, the same apply for any other belief.
Chrisitanity is not a monotheism religon *anymore* after it's being edited beyond years and the original scriptures were heavily twisted. I'm not saying that cause i'm muslim or have a hobby to attack christianity or other religions which is opposite to mine, I believe like every muslim do on Jesus peace be upon him *as a Prophet not a god* and the original christianity before it's being translated and edited and complete verses removed or replaced, the christianity who call for the worship of one god only not father and son not three on one.
Today Christians worship Jesus as a God or Son of God..but Muslims Believe and Respect Jesus Peace be upon him as a Prophet and Messenger of Allah and a brother on prophethood with Mohammad peace be upon them both, cause God has no partner or like. but at the same time today's christians don't admit the prophethood of Muhammad peace be upon him while he is mentioned on your original Bible "barnaba" with his name "Ahmad" (another name for Prophet Muhammad) and his coming was predicted by Jesus himself. and i can show you and explain the proofs if you like.
And about Jihad "the holy war" it's have it's very Own Circumstances and Situations on Islam. and not just any Muslim can give the permission of Jihad. he should be very knowledgeable on Islam. But i don't call bombing and burning buildings and killing othersas Jihad. Islam and I still don't consider it Jihad. i don't even consider terrorizing safe citizens as Jihad as i said before.
Jihad (my own definition) is simply like any war as the permission to defeat, defend, resist another *soldier* who is colliding with you on the open area of war and this collision may lead to killing sometimes which is normal but not a necessity. and i'm sure any soldier on any country's army will do the same for the sake of his own country but the difference is that it's for the sake of defending the true word of God beside invaded muslims countries.
done.
I also urge you to check my new posts at the following links which is pure scientific miracles mentioned on the Holy Quran 1400 years ago and new discoveries of the modern science:
Space Orbits on the Quran:
http://miracles-of-allah.blogspo...s-of-
quran.html
Ants Self-Defence - A Newly Discovered Miracle in the Holy Quran :
http://miracles-of-allah.blogspo...le-in-
holy.html
The Cosmic Space:
http://miracles-of-allah.blogspo.../12/
cosmic.html
and i'll continue to post more soon..
coldfire:
Where to start? Your rambling, almost nonsensical comments make it difficult to reply.
I'll tell you this, however. Your position is indefensible. There is NOTHING on God's green earth which can justify strapping a bomb on oneself and getting in a bus and blowing up innocent strangers. NOTHING. There is NOTHING which can justify the daily murders committed by Muslims we hear on the news.
Your religion is not a "true" religion. Mohammed was a pedophile, rapist, murderer and thief. His locutions came not from an angel, but from a demon. Islam is an evil heresy filled with mindless bots who obey the satanic rantings of evil imams and other Muslim clergy hell bent on gaining power and control. PURE EVIL.
And not only is it evil, it is full of hypocrisy. Mohammed Atta drank alcohol in a bar the night before 9/11. Then he murdered innocent people in the name of "Allah", thinking he was going to go to heaven for sexual gratification. What kind of stupid religion is that? It's not even spiritual. It's a filthy system which degrades women.
Rant all you want. You will not persuade. Instead of making futile attempts to convince me, why don't you turn your energies towards changing the sickness which envelopes your religion?
Physician, heal thyself!
This cOldfire has to be a joke right? The "crack in the moon" is hilarious.
Guess what? I'm showing a crack in the moon to a photo of Mohammed, the pedohpile Prophet as I type and thus far, no great revelation.
And of course who cannot find the parrot squawking the Koran amusing, especially in light of cOldfire squawking away like some Islamic parrot.
Sorry Charlie, but you seem intent on making your religion into an even bigger joke than it is already.
Mike:
I had to refrain from making some kind of snide remark about the crack in the moon... that phrase is sooooo rich!
Just....wow.
Did you get all that atheling2?
wordsmith:
Are you kidding? I never even read it all.
Time reveals the truth. Allah (GOD)is beautiful and the world will become beautiful when each and every one of us start listening to and obeying Him.
Judge oneself before passing judgements on everyone else.
It's very obvious that you haven't read my whole comments above, may be a few lines of it. cause if you did you won't say:
"is NOTHING on God's green earth which can justify strapping a bomb on oneself and getting in a bus and blowing up innocent strangers. NOTHING. There is NOTHING which can justify the daily murders committed by Muslims we hear on the news.
"
Cause i already knew you are gonna say something similar to this and i already replied it and much more:
I said:
"I don't encourage Terrorism and Suicide Bombing or destroying buildings..etc"
I even explained the difference between Jihad and terrorism :
"But in the same time Islam didn't and will not encourage terrorism, on my opinion there is a very fine line differentiate between Terrorism and Jihad."
"Terrorism is when terrorising safe un-armed people, but Justified Jihad is defending when ur being attacked against armed soldiers. that's my definition and distinction between Terrorism and Jihad and i believe it's true."
and i replied many other critisim regarding Islam to answer all the ideas corssing your head in advance, but u didn't care to read it all i guess.
and about "Mohammed Atta", I don't know where u get that from that he was at a bar driking alcohol the night before 9/11. there is no proof that this was true.
There is even claims that al-Qeada were not the perpetrators or sole perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks. There is a theory that the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy of the US government itself or even Israeli intelligence.
and that president Bush already knew about the 9/11 attacks before it happens.
watch this video, It's speaking on how the USA Senates hide things and won't address them and covers them up with other reasons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...h?
v=J1bm2GPoFfg
It's your foreign policy, your committment on Isreal and how you help them and the anger the arab world feels when you participate with them against us.
and about the moon crack post, May be you can't believe it and found it hilarious cause you weren't a witness of this miracle on the same time, but at least Can you tell me how the Quran mentioned this crack 1400 years ago on this verse:
"The Hour has approached, and the moon split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic’". [Quran - 1:2]
Allah on this verse is talking about the non-believers who witness this miracle and still refuse to believe and say it's a evident magic.
Suppose this miracle didn't happen on first place and the quran and this verse is written by Prophet Muhammad how possibly he knows some fact like that 1400 years ago even before any space telescope were ever built?
NASA has spent million of dollars to send their astronomers and take pictures and make discoveries about other planets, and by the will of Allah one of those are clear proof for non-believers like you.
and it's still one of the modern scientific proofs (but not the only one) that Quran is the word of God.
I don't care if you are convinced or not, I have no personal gain if you converted and became a Muslim or not someday, Faith is something between you and your creator.
It's not becuse I'm Muslim,
I just defend what The TRUTH wherever i found it's being attacked.
Islam commands all kinds of goods and forbids all of evils it encourages good manners and proper treatment of others it produces truthfullness good characteristics patience kindness humility modesty and keeping promises and mercy juctice dignity courage friendliness contentment chasity tolerence gratitude self control in times of anger ....Not one of your post shows the ppl that post here apply
to any of those qualities when u see something negative in Islam ... its not Islam, Judge the Person's act not the religion .... Alot of anti islamic ppl have had islam presented to them incorrectly ... The correct islam is the way Prophet Muhammed taught us. To keep a persons relationship with god purposeful and progressive Islam has ordained for the believers certain acts of worship ... which are the pillars of faith one of them prayer its when a man feels the presence of his creator how can anyone be against that ? Surah 98 verse 5 They have been commanded no more than this to worship God offering him sincere devotion.
I suggest to take some time and read some Hadiths of the prophet PBUH ... God has no mercy on one who has no mercy for others? ... Do u have mercy for other ppls creeds and religions ? i think not
God does not judge according to your bodies and appearence but he scans ur heart and looks into ur deeds ? ... Scan ur heart and ur deeds can u be proud of them ?
and our holy Quran is a record of exact words revealed by god through Angel Gabriel its the prime source of every MUSLIMs faith and practice
I suggest all of you to turn to Allah which means God, turn to him in humility and devotion get on ur knees be a servant to ur creator.... we are all born muslims we are all born knowing we are from one GOD
Islam isnt a new religion becuz submission to the will of god has Always been the only accepted religion in the site of GOD ...
So the conclusion is:
Islam is the true Natural religion.
coldfire:
Listen, you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a conservative Christian. I am against adultery, pornography, immodesty, homosexual marriage and all the other things you oppose as well. It's the LIBERALS in this country who support that sort of garbage.
Why don't you go to the Daily Kos or to the Huffington Post and argue with the liberals there about it? They are the ones who endorse that kind of immorality, not me or my fellow conservative Christians. We want to stop it!
Secondly, your lame attempts to pretend that Islam is not violent doesn't cut the cake. I read the Koran. It IS VIOLENT, and it tells its followers to USE VIOLENCE against those who refuse to submit.
Now, if you really are as "moral" as you claim, let's see you go to a liberal blog or website and argue with those there who support all the immoral practices you claim to abhor.
Hey cOldfire. Can you see my mooncrack? I'm beaming it right at the pedophile Prophet while I eat my pork spareribs.
No evidence that Atta was drinking? I don't know. I'll have to go back and check the credit card receipts he left at the strip club.
As for ""But in the same time Islam didn't and will not encourage terrorism, on my opinion there is a very fine line differentiate between Terrorism and Jihad."
"Terrorism is when terrorising safe un-armed people, but Justified Jihad is defending when ur being attacked against armed soldiers. that's my definition and distinction between Terrorism and Jihad and i believe it's true."
Perhaps you can explain to me how the Buddhist monks teaching students in Thailand should be dragged from the school and murdered in front of the children?
Were the terrorists defending themselves? Or was it Jihad?
Now listen cOldfire and pay close attention to what I am going to say:
No one would deprieve you of your right to believe or worship however you wish, or to not believe altogether. You can even believe in cracks in the moon and parrots speaking the Koran all you want.
But if you insist that Islam is a religion of peace and that our understanding of it is wrong, then you need to take your message FIRST to the whacked out jihadis who view it as their mission to demand the rest of us convert or die.
I'm sure you read the comments of "well wisher" above. But in case you missed it, here's an excerpt:
"Don't you want to agree that it is God's plan to scare you and paranoia you? Don't you want to recognize that it is God's plan that Islam is progressing all around you because you need to be discipline and punished for the crimes that you have been committing to the humanity."
Until so called "moderate Muslims" take on the threat to life and freedom implied in that statement you are ALL at peril.
And you won't find any of us willing to give you one ounce of respect, regardless of your freedom to worship (and do let me know when you approve of Christians bringing Bibles into Saudi Arabia) until you folks squash the monsters who threaten to destroy Islam.
Coldfire, you are mistaken. This is neither the CNN site nor the Democratic National Committie. We are aware of your religion and the hold that it has on you is not from the spirit of God, but from the imposed yoke that your one religious state/church exerts on each of you by force. You cannot leave Islam. You will die if you do. They will kill you. You have no future except death and you find it so easy to be assured of that that you will kill innocents who have no connection to you and nothing against you in the misguided hope for your 70 virgins. They will turn out to be pigs and your soul will be alienated from God for your injury to his children.
to atheling2:
the same is here, i'm a conservative Muslim and i'm against adulery, pornography, homosexuality and those dirts too.
you said you have read the Quran and that it's all about violence, the verses you are talking about are in the state of war.
and i will prove to you on the coming comments one of the evidences (but not all of it) that prophet Muhammad was mentioned on the Bible, i just hope you read it all long to the end.
to Mike's America:
I keep ignoring any insult you have toward Islam and prophet Muhammad many times so far now to make this conversation more intelligent and constructive.
about muhammad atta if the evidence you mention is true, i don't care cause it's still terrorism not jihad and i don't support it anyway.
and about the buddhists who were killed by muslims on thialand I don't know full story but there must be a start for it, and if it's muslims fault that wouldn't be considered Jihad.
and true muslims treat non-muslims with mercy, if you have read the life of prophet Muhammad you will notice that we lived with jewish and christians on the same city of "Madinah" with muslims side by side, and prophet Mohammad had a jew neighbor next door and he was treating them with respect and mercy, justice, integrity, trustworthiness and fidelity. prophet Muhammad even defended a jew once when he was accused falsely of theft by muslims and a verse of the quran instantly revealed by Angel Gebreel to him telling him the truth, then he defended that jewish man against muslims.
Muslims were only forced to have Wars with jews on the city of Madinah (in arabian peninsula) when they betrayed us, and we are forced to war with romans, persians and any other nation when they stand against the call of Islam.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were choosen to be #1 on top of the 100 Most Influential men in human history on Michael H. Hart's book "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100
http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html
to Flanders Fields:
I'm not forced on anything, I'm completely free and aware of what i beleive and write, I don't want and will not ever leave Islam not because i'm afraid of something, Thank god I consider myself well educated according to my age on many aspects of life religious or even scientific.
I have read about buddhism, christianity, judaism,
I still found the truth on Islam
and day after day my faith Grows more and more on God
whom is not a God exclusive for muslims or a new god we invented, He is the same God of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jesus and Mohamad and many others Peace be upon them all.
I'm pretty sure like i'm sure of my own name that Islam is a true religion and Quran is his word and Muhammad is his Messenger.
and anything else you see or hear on the news about violence is not enough excuse to reject Islam as a whole.
to all:
you guys are paranoid about the phrase "Islam is violence, Islam will dominate the world, islam is our enemy, we should take action"
while the fact the true Islam is not your enemy, as i said earlier :
"...to any of those qualities when u see something negative in Islam, its not Islam, Judge the Person's act not the religion, alot of anti-islamic ppl have had islam presented to them incorrectly"
you were presented Islam incorrectly through western media and news and the first impression stuck on your head as a final image of Islam, but if you are trying to seek the truth, this false image will get corrected.
and i remind you again at this point of what i have said before on this page that the western media is heavily focusing on the dark side of muslims nowadays for political gains, and unfortunately you guys swallow that so easily.
Islam is not the enemy, the real enemy is the fear of the truth, the real enemy is the devil inside the heart of each one of us trying to eradicate the light of Allah with every possible way and use your anger you generate inside from anything upset you on life against it.
you think that terrorist acts are presented by fanatic muslims not moderate ones. allow me to say that you are a fanatic too for your Ideas, you are a prisoner of your own thoguths.
you should free your self and open your heart a little more to accept something i won't say new but something you were already born with like a seed of light
please don't kill what is left inside you.
believe me you got it all wrong
and until you know the truth oneday, keep seeking and don't take a final decision
Prophet Muhammad prophecy on the Bible:
First of all, The Arabic word "Muhammad" is an expression which means "The honorable one" or "The glorified one" or "The admirable". Prophet Muhammad was the first in the Middle East to be named "Muhammad". Below, you will see how Jesus in today's Gospel of John had called this human Prophet which he predicted his comming "The honorable one". Jesus peace be upon him in the Greek Bible used the Greek word "Periklytos" which means the admirable or glorified one. He called that predicted human prophet "Periklytos". This word corresponds exactly to the Arabic word "Muhammad" which also means the "admired one" or "glorified one." In other words, "Periklytos" is "Muhammad" in Greek.
In the Bible we can find the following four passages wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) predicts a great event:
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."
In these four verses, the word "comforter" is translated from the word "Paraclete" ("Ho Parakletos" in Greek). Parakletos in Greek is interpreted as "an advocate", one who pleads the cause of another, one who councils or advises another from deep concern for the other's welfare (Beacon Bible commentary volume VII, p.168 ). In these verses we are told that once Jesus (peace be upon him) departs, a Paraclete will come. He will glorify Jesus (peace be upon him), and he will guide mankind into all truth. This "Paraclete" is identified in John 14:26 as the Holy Ghost.
It must be pointed out that the original Greek manuscripts speak of a "Holy pneuma." The word pneuma {pnyoo'-mah} is the Greek root word for "spirit." There is no separate word for "Ghost" in the Greek manuscripts, of which there are claimed to be over 24,000 today. The translators of the King James Version of the Bible translate this word as "Ghost" to convey their own personal understanding of the text. However, a more accurate translation is "Holy Spirit." More faithful and recent translations of the Bible, such as the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), do indeed now translate it as "Holy Spirit." This is significant, and will be expounded upon shortly.
All Bibles in existence today are compiled from "ancient manuscripts," the most ancient of which being those of the fourth century C.E. Any scholar of the Bible will tell us that no two ancient manuscripts are exactly identical. All Bibles in our possession today are the result of extensive cutting and pasting from these various manuscripts with no single one being the definitive reference.
What the translators of the Bible have done when presented with such discrepancies is to do their best to choose the correct version. In other words, since they can not know which "ancient manuscript" is the correct one, they must do a little detective work on the text in order to decide which "version" of a given verse to accept. John 14:26 is just such an example of such selection techniques.
John 14:26 is the only verse of the Bible which associates the Parakletos with the Holy Spirit. But if we were to go back to the "ancient manuscripts" themselves, we would find that they are not all in agreement that the "Parakletos" is the Holy Spirit. For instance, in the famous the Codex Syriacus, written around the fifth century C.E., and discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit.".
A "Spirit" in the New Testament is a human Prophet. Therefore, Jesus had predicted the comming of a human Prophet (spirit) after him and not the Holy Spirit. Jesus would not have used the word "he" for the Holy Spirit. He would have used "it" instead in John 14:26 above. Read 1 John 4:1-3 below:
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world," (1 John 4:1-3)
(also see 1 John 4:6), or an inspired human, for example read 1 Corinthians 2:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:2.
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you *another* Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"
Why Jesus Peace be upon him uses a word like "another" if he meant the Holy Spirit, it can be only One Holy Spirit, Right?
In Islam we call the Holy Ghost/Spirit as "Angel Gebreel" which is resposible for transfering and revealing the Message from Almighty God Allah to all his Prophets and Messengers like Noah, Abraham, David, Solomon, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Jesus and Mohammad and many others peace be upon them all. The Holy spirit as an angel is generated (Visit) many times and doesn't exist in between doesn't necessarily need Jesus to point at it on his words as a different entity, Allah created it from Pure light and it travel throw the seven skies to carry the revelation so it's logically better use "visit" than using "give you another" in "and he shall give you another Comforter". Holy Spirit is definitely different from "The Comforter" Jesus meant here. With Much Respect, There had been many cases of deliberate modification of the Biblical text by members of the Christian clergy themselves, as well as deliberate large scale projects to "correct" the Bible, and the writings of "the early fathers," (such as the deliberate insertion of the verse of 1 John 5:7 which is now universally discarded) It is, therefore, possible that either:
1) The word "Holy" could have been dropped by a careless copyist., or
2) Someone could have inserted the word "Holy" to convey his personal understanding of the text.
Which was it? In order to arrive at the answer we must follow the same path of detective work the Biblical scholars themselves do. We must study the characteristics of the "Paraclete" and compare them to both the "Holy Spirit" and to a "Spirit." Muslims believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the one intended and not the Holy Ghost. In the Christian's own "Gospel of Barnabas" Muhammad is mentioned by name here. The Trinitarian church, however, has done its utmost to obliterate all existing copies of "The Gospel of Barnabas," and to hide it from the masses or to label it a forgery. For this reason, it becomes necessary to show that even the Gospels adopted by Paul's church also originally spoke of Muhammad peace be upon him.
coldfire:
The "Comforter" is the Holy Spirit.
Mohammed is not a prophet. He is a fraud.
Why should we listen to just one Muslim whose words are belied by the massive violence of Muslims all over the globe? Don't pretend that you don't know about the killings of Buddhists in Thailand, or the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries.
Tell me, why is it that the Bible is forbidden in Muslim countries? Why is it that they won't allow Christians to proseltyze their faith? Or build Christian churches?
When you Muslims start showing the same respect and tolerance that you want from us, then I'll listen. But until then, don't waste your breath.
Islam is full of lies. Taqqiyah.
Islam is the enemy.
Nothing worse than a filibustering Muslim!
Never heard of the butchering of Buddhist monks? Quelle surprise!
From the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-...fic/
5209168.stm
"Security is tight in the restive southern provinces
A teacher has been shot and killed in front of a classroom of children in southern Thailand, according to police.
Gunmen disguised themselves as students to shoot the Buddhist teacher at the primary school in Narathiwat district.
The attack is the latest in a string of violent incidents in the Thai south, where more than 1,300 people have been killed since January 2004.
Officials blames Muslim insurgents for much of the unrest, although criminal motives are also thought to be at work.
...
At least 30 teachers have been killed since the beginning of the insurgency."
Now these are TEACHERS.... not some imperialist tool of the zionist conspiracy. And they are Buddhists, a group of people unassociated with violence, unlike followers of the pedophile prophet.
Again, if you want to counter the negative image of Islam, then tackle that problem. Then you can go back to worshipping a crack in the moon.
Coldfire --
With over 6000 acts of terror, WORLDWIDE, by Muslims in just the last 6 years, Islamic violence cannot be called the "work of a few misguided people".
You can talk until you're blue in the face, but physical evidence talks a lot louder.
If Islam was even remotely associated with any sort of peaceful intent, there would be a major global struggle right now between so-called peaceful Muslims and violent Muslims, with the former trying to take their religion back from the latter.
Instead, we have CAIR.
Methinks you are speaking, my fine, feathered friend, through that crack in the moon....
Coldfire, anyone who attempts to take the freedom of individuals away is my enemy. God doesn't do that. We are given freedom to choose. We have the freedom to deny God. God sent his son, Jesus Christ, to pay a price for the sins of all who choose to believe in him. It is not required nor is it coerced.
You, or many who are of your belief, are born into slavery and remain that way. You and leftists get along because they believe in slavery of the individual and the supremecy of the state. Their belief is coexistent with yours, except their denial of religion is supreme, but their belief in slavery of man to the "public interest" is as strong as your belief in the koran.
Though you don't sound that way, I have no doubt that you are intelligent. Your intelligence will make you a powerful person in your state with no freedoms.
Coldfire and Well wisher. I repeat what Ramses II said about Moses:
"His God, IS God".
When was the last war you won against the tribes of Israel? Every time you have attacked them you have had them out numbered by anywhere from 3 to 1 from 5 to 1. And every time you were soundly thrashed.
Build your armies, Pharaoh. You MAY beat the West, but you'll never beat Israel.
"His God, IS God".
W.F.:
They will NOT beat the West either. The West and Israel will prevail in the end.
It's Scriptural.
Well, in the end, but they can't even beat Israel now.
Looks like I missed quite a bit while I was away.
Is that a cut & paste or did coldfire really take the time to write all that out?
Don't you feel special, atheling?
to atheling2:
I don't seek your respect, I have a respect for my ownself and the respect from the sight of god is enough for me. I write here to defend the truth from the blind hate.
But let's focus and not discuss too many points at the same time.
I will delay the discussion about any other topic on a later time. also i will ignore all personal attacks too from people here.
From now on i will keep it short and simple, cause i noticed i write too much than you can handle to reply.
If you accept the discussion this way, you are welcome, If not, I'm outta here, and you are responsible for your own actions on front of God on the day of judgment.
Let's focus now on what Jesus peace be upon him said on the Bible.
Please read carefully:
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you *another* Comforter, that *he* may abide with you *for ever*"
If Jesus meant the holy spirit he :
1) wouldn't use the word "another" cause it's only one holy spirit god created.
2) he would use "it" instead of "he"
3) he woudln't say "for ever" in the phrase "that he may abide with you for ever" cause after Jesus departs, Logically, the holy spirit can't visit just any normal human unless he is a prophet.
So the other 'comforter' Jesus meant here is definitely not the holy spirit and it refer to a human prophet.
If you still don't believe me or don't want to believe me you can either:
ask your father at your local church about this verse from the Bible and get back to me and tell me what he said, and whatever he said make him prove it.
or prove for me yourself in details the otherwise. like i proved my own on my previous comments and don't just give me short answers like "no, no, the comforter is the holy spirit".
and as a small comment on what you said about the west and Israel will prevail and that is Scriptural.
I want to tell you somthing it may be the first time you ever heared it, you can call me crazy you can call me whatever you like, but this is the truth.
Jesus will Return but he will deny you christians and stand on the Muslim side and pray like muslims and get married and go to visit Mekka, and there will be a great war between Muslim armies and christian armies, Prophet Muhammad told us on a prophecy of the things which is going to happen on the last days, that christians will gather for us 18 flag under each flag 12000 christian soldier (crusaders) from all the churches all over the world, the muslims will prepare armies too under the command of a guy called Al-Mahdy (The Guided One), and we still will defeat all of you and the jews too, besides jesus will kill the waiting man for the jews too which is called the "Dajaal" or "the anti-christ".
then the Mahdy will appear and make the Islamic caliphate again like the old days all over the earth this time for 7 or 9 or 11 years maximum after we defeat christians and jews.
we have scriptual prophecies too from the Quran and Hadeeth (our prophet talks) and it's supported too from many un-edited parts of the Bible and Torah.
If you understand Islam as a whole very well, you will understand that Jesus was Muslim.
cause as i said Islam is not a new religion, muslim is arabic means literally on english "the submitter"
All the prophets and messengers of god since Adam until the judgment day was Muslims without exception.
and i an bring you proves from the Torah (the holy book of jews) in Hebrew text that Jesus himself declare that he is a MUSLIM.
Dream you guys all you like. this is the hard truth you gonna face if you live until then and kept worshipping Jesus.
But i don't want to discuss this now, just prove for me the other wise about the Bible verse i mentioned above.
coldfire:
If you believe that Jesus is returning then you MUST believe that He is God. How can a mere man return?
Secondly, if you think He is going to stand on the side of Muslims you're delusional. The acts of violence committed by Muslims as directed by the Koran is EVIL.
"You shall know a tree by its fruits." Well, we see the fruits of Islam. No grass grows where the Muslim steps. Bloody violence, idle abject poverty, no charitable impulse, HYPOCRISY, no compassion, arrogance (and by the way you describe yourself on your blog - what vanity!), and lies are all the fruits of Islam. Every great Western mind who has honestly examined Islam has condemned it for its evil; from Popes to Alexis de Tocquevill to John Quincy Adams to Winston Churchill to GK Chesterton.
You still have not addressed my question as to WHY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO THE LIBERALS BLOGS AND CONDEMNING THEM FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE, PORN, ABORTION, IMMODEST DRESS, etc... WHY?
Until I see you do that, you have NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER.
Muslim hypocrisy!
Atheling,
Do you suppose he also goes on jihadi forums to condemn all those "peaceful" Muslims who express hatred and violence against Jews and Christians? "Good" Muslims like coldfire should be cleaning house first, before criticizing others to change.
wordsmith:
Of course he doesn't. If he did that they'd issue a fatwa against him. And we all know that most "moderate" Muslims are either too cowardly or too blind to speak up against their terrorist believers.
He can bloviate all he wants with absurd delusions and rants; he has no credibility because he won't put his money where his mouth is and go to the source of the problem: HIS OWN BLOODY PSEUDO RELIGION.
He'll make an excuse, "Oh they're not real Muslims." Then go on to express some apologist notions, in a sense defending and rationalizing the behavior for violence by his brother Muslims. Then go on to show how he also enables such violence to take place against the west, when he brings up conspiracy points about George Bush orchestrating 9/11 and al Qaeda not being involved.
It's insane, delusional self-denial.
Take ownership and responsibility for the fact that it is not western media at fault for the negative image Muslims are getting, coldfire. It is your fellow Muslims, themselves, who are responsible for creating the negative image.
Are you going to blame the west for Muslim on Muslim violence in the Darfur region?
"Coldfire" is nothing but a brainwashed bigot, one who's essentially thrown his life into the toilet and hopes to one day flush it away.
He may well simply be a leftwing anarchist and not even a real Muzi. Perhaps a Muzi sympathizer/wannabe. Who knows? Reminds me of some supposed jihadist with whom I got into it once at Jihad Watch.
Excellent point, Atheling, that he's not going after the leftists on their blogs for their extremely un-Islamic behavior and beliefs. He instead attacks folks like us, conservatives basically.
Interesting.
Indeed, the entire Islamic World must cleanse itself before pointing fingers of accusation and condemnation at the Free World. Islam is an ideology of lies, if nothing else. No different than Nazism. No wonder the two get along so well.
And it's quite rich for Muzis to tell Christians about Jesus. How dare they? How dare they defame Jesus? The very people who want to kill anyone who dares speak the TRUTH about Mohammed, about Momo's barbarianism, raping, plundering, pillaging, pedophilia and general evil, selfish hedonism at the expense of others, fabricating a "religion" simply for the purpose of having the unwashed peasants and losers delusionally submit to his imaginary greatness... he declared himself some kind of "prophet" and some idiots believed him. What a big scam, con, hoax... the greatest con in the history of mankind!
Screw the Islamofascists! They are only planting the seeds of their own ultimate undoing! Let them water the seeds all they want. They only hasten their demise.
The Free World is patient, but our patience does have limits. World War Two is the precedent for this. The Crusades are a precedent as well.
The Free World will always prevail because freedom is superior to tyranny. The tyrannized ultimately choose their own destiny and turn against those who tyrannize them. Little do Ahmadinejad and his ilk see this rebellion coming his way...
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Unfreakingbelievable.
Talk about insane... But then what would one expect from a people who subscribe to a collection of crazy rantings called The Koran?
Even from a literary point of view it's a mess. Mumbo jumbo.
Has cOld fire realized you have a host of other posts on the subject of Islam recently or did he just bookmark this thread?
Keep up the pressure Atheling.
Until moon crackers like cOldfire accept responsibility for the Jihadis and put their own necks on the block to stop it I don't feel the slightest need to show him or Islam ANY respect at all.
He can kiss my mooncrack.
P.S. Pork for dinner again tonight!
Mike:
I think he can't see anything else. If you click on wordsmith's link, ROFLMAO, above, you'll understand why coldfire has only an "ant's view" of things.
He has ignored my challenge to go to the Daily Kos or the Huffington Post to challenge the Liberals there about their support of immorality. So much for Muslim ethics and morals.
Pork! It's the other white meat!
Perhaps Islam is a mental disorder, as is liberalism...
Just read the Muzi's pretentiously bizarre rants about ants...
Shit... this guy sounds a hell of a lot like Sheikh Mubarak Gilani from Jamaat ul Fuqra/Muslims of the Americas/Int'l Quranic Open University, associate of bin Laden, who was the guy Daniel Pearl was going to interview when kidnapped and murdered, and who claims to himself be a descendant of the Great Momo Dude and says such assinine things as "I'm so mysterious even I don't understand myself", according to someone who came to his senses and quit one of that guy's terror training compounds in disgust.
Damn... a billion nutcases like that and still breeding like crazed bunnies on Viagra... indeed, a significant fraction of mankind is quite fooked-up and careening towards a self-borne disaster...
Don't you want to agree that it is God's plan to scare you and paranoia you? Don't you want to recognize that it is God's plan that Islam is progressing all around you because you need to be discipline and punished for the crimes that you have been committing to the humanity for long enough time and now is the time for God to take care of you by the hands of the true believers representative of human dignity and justice, the Muslims?
God is a God of terror and paranoia? “ Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering.” – Colossians 3: 12
“This is my commandment, That ye love one another as I have loved you.” – John 16:17
Does this sound like the God you describe, whom will bring havoc to the lands? Also, who are you to judge us? Does it not say in scripture, “I the Lord will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all man.”? Then, of you, it is required to forgive the Western world of their “weaknesses” and let God be judge. God is a God of forgiveness. I will not deny that he does bring justice, but by his own hand, not though the judgement of men.
Rom 1: 18, Ex. 4:14 and other scriptures speak of the wrath of God. However, it says in Ps. 103: 9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
I must say I am perplexed about your hatred for Zion and Zionism. Does not Islam use the bible as well as the Koran? Zion refers to the righteous people of God. And the Lord called his people Zion, for they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness and there was no poor among them. Zion is a place of peace and righteousness, not a place of evil and damnation. Do you not remember that Israel will be a part of Zion? In Isaiah 59 it talks about Israel being separated from God because of their sins and in 60 it speaks of Israel rising as a mighty nation, with Zion being established. The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy one of Israel. And in case you take these scriptures for your own cause, read over Isaiah 62, which talks about the Gentiles as part of Zion.
I doubt you will even read this but if you do, remember that God is a God of all men, not just your people.
I'll get to debating (if possible) with Coldfire later,right now I have classes and schoolwork to do.
Very good, Em.
Doubtful whether coldfire will have the courage to debate. Muslims are, after all, arrogant and believe that they and only they are correct. It would be a circular argument, with the Muslim refusing to concede that which is apparently true in favor of whatever the Koran claims.
They're, after all, supremacistic and expect unquestioning submission to their ideology. The "invitations" to join Islam are really sugarcoated demands, which, if refused, require Muslims to either take a jizya (tax) from you or kill you if you refuse that, too. It's in the Koran.
But I'm never afraid to debate a Muzi. I relish the prospect!
coldfire has yet to address my challenge to go to the liberals' sites and condemn them for supporting Western immoralities like gay marriage, porn, immodest dress, etc...
Why is that, coldfire???
atheling, I see you changed the subject to escape from answering my question. I asked you to prove for me that the comforter is the Holy spirit not a human prophet.
But i still will answer your question, even though it's very simple.
I don't go for the liberals sites and condemn them for supporting Western immoralities like gay marriage, porn, immodest dress, etc. First, because simply it's a higher priority for me to fix a false belief about God which will lead to eternity on hell fire on the afterlife than go and fight some immoral acts which every religion on earth whatsoever reject.
Second, who told you i don't have my own activities to fight such things over the internet, not necessary the Liberals who support them, me and my friends defaced many adult forums and sites already before.
I know someone here will exploit this line and jump now like a popcorn and tell me, Hey! It's Electronic Jihad, you still a terrorist, you still one of them.
to Mike's America:
you wrote:
"Until moon crackers like cOldfire accept responsibility for the Jihadis and put their own necks on the block to stop it I don't feel the slightest need to show him or Islam ANY respect at all. He can kiss my mooncrack."
I support Jihad but i don't support Terrorism. I explained the difference earlier, scroll back.
and do you support american soldiers who torture prisoners on Abu-Ghraib Prison on Iraq with horrible and insane methods? Is it what Jesus told you to do?
Should i judge the whole american people or Christianity by the acts of some?
Like you judge Islam the same way
you said also "He can kiss my mooncrack."
No, feel free to kiss mine and then come back and tell me how does it feel.
(Sorry atheling, I have had enough and of course you are not deleting their comments, and if you wish to delete mine, that's fine)
and to the one who says that i'm arrogant, I'm not arrogant, i'm just very confident cause i have the truth that every one of you are missing.
you are the arrogant when you think you have it all.
and to atheling again, on your spare time i want you to check this website:
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/
a former christian preacher from united states embraced Islam about 1 year ago
a Christian Preacher!
He must be the most knowledgable on the Bible and have all the answers on christianity any christian or non-christian would think of.
what do you think made him accept Islam?
did some muslim put the Sword over his throat and told him "convert or die!"?!
No, He entered Islam with his own complete will cause he found the truth on it.
and even created a website to spread Islam on United States and worldwide over the internet.
you need to reconsider many things about God, the true God!
and remember, The winner is the one who laughs last, not the one who laughs now.
coldfire:
"Change the subject"??? How many bloody subjects are we talking about? Your rambling, incoherent posts are IMPOSSIBLE to debate.
You Muslims need to learn how to debate properly. The fact that Muslims are irrational to begin with makes it ridiculous to engage in any kind of reasonable discourse. Your response to my question about not going to liberals' sites proves my point: You are not moral people. All your posturing and your pretense to moral superiority are a joke. Look at how violent and absurd your demonstrations are. You behave like a bunch of wild eyed hooligans.
As for the Holy Spirit, I NEVER said He was human. You don't even know how to read and comprehend properly. I have no wish to engage in theological debates with you.
Your claim to support Jihad but not terrorism does not excuse you from the violence and brutality of your religion. The Koran says to kill the infidels. The Koran says to force conversion by the sword. And you people have been doing that since your evil inception.
Mohammed was a fraud. Pedophile, thief, murderer, rapist... the seed of your religion is evil, and the fruits thereof demonstrate that fact very well.
I said "I asked you to prove for me that the comforter is the Holy spirit not a human prophet."
I'm sure i did read it well, I asked you to prove that the comforter is the holy spirit (as you claim) NOT the comforter is a human prophet (as i claim).[to prove the opposite claim of mine].
that's what i meant.
and at first many people here were opening many topics and i was replying as much as i can of them, but on my last few comments i wanted to focus and discuss the Bible verse only, then i found you even changed this point.
and lastley, If prophet Muhammad was as you say, He wouldn't have billions of followers since more than a thousand and a half years ago.
To whom who say Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was a Pedophile, see the following:
Pedophile on the Bible:
Numbers 31:17-18 (New International Version)
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
source:
http://www.biblegateway.com/pass...-18&version=31;
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Numbers 31:35-40 (New International Version)
35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;
40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32.
source:
http://www.biblegateway.com/pass...-40&version=31;
To whom who say Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was a pedophile, see the following:
Pedophile on the Bible:
Numbers 31:17-18 (New International Version)
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://www.biblegateway.com/pass...-18&version=31;
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35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;
40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32.
http://www.biblegateway.com/pass...-40&version=31;
God Punishment in Bible, Pregnant Women will be ripped open:
Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) - The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords."
Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
Oh, I see the representative of the religion of peace is at it again.
Ripping open mother's stomachs! Sort of the reminds me of the atrocities that Saddam and friends used to commit in Iraq.
Anyway, I wonder if you muzzie moonbat has realized you have other posts on this blog?
What a crazy little piece of Mohammed pig shit he is.
Mike,
No, he's filibustering again. And no one's really listening.
C0ldfire, I've yet to see a response to what I wrote.
As for the comforter being a holy spirit.
Well, a person can be a comfort to another but a comforter can also be a blanket 
Sorry, I'm running on few hours of sleep.
Acts 9:31 speaks of the comfort of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is known as the Holy Spirit, and also as the comforter. Does that answer your question?
Em,
That's what i'm saying already, that God is God for all not just my people.
but this God is not Jesus it's the only true God Allah. and Islam is the same Universal Message Including Original Judaism and Christianity without any edit.
If you bring a piece of paper and a pencil and draw 3 circles inside each others..one small on the middle and another bigger one holding it and a third bigger circle holding the both 2 inside. the smallest inner circle on the center is Judaism, the larger is christianity and the largest Circle which holding all of them are Islam. it completes them, while all the three religions are the same Message of Islam too which is "La Ilaha Illa Allah" (No God But Allah), very simple!
I don't hate Judaism religion, I hate the acts of Jews.
Like you shouldn't hate Islam, you can hate the act of some muslims.
Zions *Was* the Chosen Nation of God and he kept forgiving their sins until they created and worshiped the Golden Cow, then God turned away from them.
Now they are still living on the dream of the chosen nation and the Promised Land from the Forat to the Nile River.
Sons of Israel is mentioned many times on the Qura'n. But i'm very Busy those days and i don't check back shortly, or I would bring you more from Bible, Quran or Torah.
Here is the Hebrew text which Jesus said in Luke 6:40 taken from the Aramaic bible society in the language of Aramaic translated into Hebrew that he almost declared that he himself is a Muslim:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albu...d0ra/
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It's read from right to left & pronounced:
"Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo."
Translation in English: "No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."
the Hebrew word "Mushlam" comes from the root "Sh L M". "Shalom" is a famous greeting on Israel and between Jews which comes from the same root "Salam" means "peace". The Arabic word "Muslim" comes from the root "S L M". "Salam" means "peace". "Salem" means "safe".
Mushlam, Shalom, Salam, Salem, Muslim, Islam.
Jesus was Muslim, Moses was Muslim. There is One God who sent all of them.
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