I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
flat earth not
Days 2-present really did suck ass.
Why would he care?
hurricane bush
President Palin?
Except that "no more Saddam" didn't happen on day 1, I agree with you.
Well it is their fault they happen to have our oil under their sands.
so is that 1999 days of teh ass suck?
remember when the hippies used to beat drums outside the White House? good times
But...the surge! THE SURGE!
That AP piece on Keith was a real hit-job.
and that no matter how awesome day 1 was, days 2-present sorta, you know, sucked ass.
Democracy is messy!
deadened:
why st00pid should not be allowed at the table of grownups:
Large Hadron Collider to Go Online This Week Despite Death Threats
Boosh! Boosh! Boosh!
(ululations)
Is it the Boosh economy yet?
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Kill The Large Hadron Collider!
That AP piece on Keith was a real hit-job.
plantsman
MSNBC is pulling a "Donahue" on Keith.
Keith claims he is an American, not a liberal.
Olbermann has refused to pigeonhole himself politically, once telling the progressive on-line magazine Salon.com, "I'm not a liberal, I'm an American."
Huh?
Salon.com is progressive?
Whut a country.
when warmongering is the only thing the US does 'world-class'; we gotta pimp it.
Olbermann has refused to pigeonhole himself politically, once telling the progressive on-line magazine Salon.com, "I'm not a liberal, I'm an American."
Al Haig
Why does MSNBC hate America?
MSNBC is pulling a "Donahue" on Keith.
DuaneV, Uppity | 09.08.08 - 11:15 am | #
It's interesting to watch Krugman learn that all the assumptions made in standard economics about firm behavior are completely wrong.
No. Countdown is still their biggest draw, and they know it. Gregory needs something to do, and Tweety is so jealous of Keith he can't stand it.
It's interesting to watch Krugman learn that all the assumptions made in standard economics about firm behavior are completely wrong.
rootless-e, uppity
Ratings mean nothing if you're a liberal.
Obviously, the cons ran whining to NBC about that mean Mister Keith.
Salon.com seems normal to me. Like centrist and cosmopolitan.
That AP piece on Keith was a real hit-job.
plantsman
MSNBC is pulling a "Donahue" on Keith.
DuaneV, Uppity | 09.08.08 - 11:15 am | #
He was useful to the powers that be when it was of utmost importance that Hillary be dispatched. Now, not so much.
Didn't the "secret operational capability" to neutralize insurgent leaders basically involve paying them off not to kill our troops?
Not that I necessarily object, but it would seem to change the lessons we learn from this (if any) considerably.
Is it the Boosh economy yet?
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QuentinCompson, Negatory
For the past eight years...
He was useful to the powers that be when it was of utmost importance that Hillary be dispatched.
There it is.
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Not everyone. Not people. Iraqis.
Equivalent in his mind to the frogs of his youth.
Speaking of Ike, I see Kieth as an old style moderate conservative, an Eisenhower Republican, like John Dean. This "he's a liberal narrative" is all cognitive dissonance and propaganda.
Palin's not hiding from the press anymore. She will interview one-on-one with hard-hitting questioner Charlie Gibson.
In Alaska.
That would be the same Gibson who declared family questions off limits and included her redneck husband's membership in the anti-American AIP in that category.
Maybe The First Moron will give him a thrilling ride on his snowmobile or take him wolf hunting and Gibson, in turn, can ask him how he became such a paragon of manlitude.
Apparently, many Americans want more of the same. With a marginally prettier face.
Salon.com is progressive?
In the bell curve of media, sure, but it's no In These Times or Mother Jones.
While I love Tom Tomorrow and Susie Bright, publishing them doesn't give you automatic prog cred.
Sorry, a gazer; if Hillary had won, we still wouldn't have our flying cars -- and Keith still has Countdown. Do overblow it.
It's interesting to watch Krugman learn that all the assumptions made in standard economics about firm behavior are completely wrong.
TV is a loss leader for many companies (GE, etc.) Loss leaders make good economic sense in many situations. The mistake is assuming that tv is stand alone.
COUNTDOWN last Friday had up a quote from the new Woodward book about how Bush wasn't even attending the planning meetings for the surge and didn't know diddly squat about such minor details as how many brigades were being sent to Iraq. Just another indication of how out of touch and disengaged that little creep is.
George Bush is the walking, talking embodiment of the rationale for "Just Say No." Like "if you do too much coke and Wild Turkey, you'll have early-onset dementia."
We must make you pay for private schools so god can get back in the classroom even though anybody that wants to can already pay for private school. Free market! Free market! As if children were a product and schools were a goddam factory. Come on "conservatives," what do you think about paying for Obadiah Jr. to go to parochial school? You don't want to pay an extra buck property tax to send all the other kids, so what gives?
B1 Bummer | 09.08.08 - 11:17 am | #
these people think Greenwald is "liberal"
they are really stupid and fascist.
NBC/Universal makes money. But nice try.
Well, if and when we ever get FREEDOM in the USA, I'd expect lots of things to get blowed up here too
BTW, if Olbermann isn't going to anchor MSNBC's political coverage, I plan to watch C-SPAN exclusively. Not that a little thing like a drop in ratings will matter to the suits as much as avoiding the perception of "bias".
(I truly wonder to what the bean counters attribute the high ratings of Fox News among white males and other likely demographics?)
Interesting finding out Woordward's surge book didn't mention the ethnic cleansing touted by Juan Cole
Obama's Miscue Energizes Rumors About "Muslim Faith" The Washington Times reports Barack Obama's "foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, 'my Muslim faith.'" The "three words -- immediately corrected -- were during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on 'This Week,' when he was trying to criticize the quiet smear campaign suggesting he is a Muslim." But "illustrating the difficulty of preventing false rumors about his faith from spreading, anti-Obama groups within one hour of the interview had sliced it out of context and were sending it around via email. They also were blogging about it." Obama, who "is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service, said he finds it 'deeply offensive' that there are efforts 'coming out of the Republican camp to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith.'"
I don't know, but my supposedly democrat boss got some impressions from that stupid 60 minutes interview that I somehow missed. So the surge worked and Chimp is a military genius? And we should believe Bob Woodwad because of watergate 35 years ago?
While I love Tom Tomorrow and Susie Bright, publishing them doesn't give you automatic prog cred.
Anon, blissfully home alone
My sentiments exactly. We need more Salon.coms but it is exactly as you state it.
freak out everyone!!
obama is only projected to win by 99 EVs!
we are doomed!
He was useful to the powers that be when it was of utmost importance that Hillary be dispatched. Now, not so much.
abyssgazer | 09.08.08 - 11:18 am | #
With respect, that makes no sense whatsoever.
Hillary was a threat to the corporate masters at MSNBC and Obama isn't?
Say what?
So, he's a question: Does this mean if Rachel is successful, she'll get yanked too?
What impetus is there to watch anything on MSNBC?
Sorry, a gazer;
Charming.
The Driest Powder Party:
"In a move that will spare conservatives from a politically difficult vote before the November elections, “Congressional Democrats have scrapped plans for another vote on expansion of the Children’s Health Insurance Program.” Democrats concluded “that President Bush would not sign their legislation and that they could not override his likely veto.” Bush has already twice vetoed similar legislation."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09...008/#more-
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Bunch of thin skinned right wing bastards living in fear every god-damned day of their lives that somebody somewhere not like them might have the idea that they have as much right to say their piece as anyone else.
As charming as you.
obama is only projected to win by 99 EVs!
we are doomed!
euphronius | 09.08.08 - 11:24 am | #
I'll believe Obama is the president when he's in the white house, not one minute before
"get in line brown people"-Bush
In the KO election equation, Tweety was 90 percent of the problem. Since Russert died, he's become seriously unhinged.
Sarah Palin, queen of reform, needs to renounce earmarks for Alaska, now and forever. She needs to make a pledge to quit asking for earmarks for her state. No more earmarks for Alaska, ever. Just quit, cold turkey. Will someone ask her to make that pledge, to demonstrate her reform bona fides? And stick with it, even if she loses the election and returns to Alaska as its governor?
Um, hell no they won't. But they should.
freak out everyone!!
obama is only projected to win by 99 EVs!
we are doomed!
euphronius
I'm not too worried, but without a decent majority of the votes he'll have to deal for 4 years with the same crap that Clinton got, as the Repukes and the lapdog press conveniently forget how our current popular wartime President got installed.
Puh-lease, like Gregory is any different - he's as much of a liberal as those two are. Maybe he gave give commentaries in "french"! He only "appears" more "moderate" now because he wants Russerts job. Talk about rearranging dech chairs on the Titanic!
Hillary was a threat to the corporate masters at MSNBC and Obama isn't?
Say what?
The Phantom Creeps | 09.08.08 - 11:24 am | #
Would KO be generally supportive of Obama? Yes, therefore he is booted from election coverage.
The Wet and Skankiest Powder, Doing The Dumbest Shit Things and Still Getting Away With It Party:
"Declaring that clergy “have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.”"
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09...008/#more-
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Agreed, PSH -- and now Tweety can stay in Washington and quit sniping at Keith.
these people think Greenwald is "liberal"
they are really stupid and fascist.
euphronius
Very difficult to pin him down. He was really apolitical and didn't even vote for the first 14 years he was eligible to do so. He's a civil libertarian and constitutionalist. A little too cozy with libertarians of the Cato variety for my tastes. We've been keeping an eye on him. He's starting to get it, I hope.
And how ofter does Obama go to church compared to McCain? Nobody cares. Reagan was such a great christian compared to Carter, and everybody knows Chimp got born again on a beach or something.
What is this with McCain and his "Country First" slogan?
Obama could blow him out of the race by asking if "Country First" includes selling his senate seat to Charles Keating?
As charming as you.
plantsman | 09.08.08 - 11:25 am | #
I'm not sure what I did to you, but it must've been pretty awful.
Keith will be on election coverage, he won't be anchoring it.
Bunch of thin skinned right wing bastards living in fear every god-damned day of their lives that somebody somewhere not like them might have the idea that they have as much right to say their piece as anyone else.
catalexis, CMDR Re-Ed Camp 6
It's a combination of very weak intellect, massive overcompensation for personal insecurity, and a serious dose of repressed cognitive dissonance. They can't handle even mild disagreement.
Done with it.
Puh-lease, like Gregory is any different - he's as much of a liberal as those two are. Maybe he gave give commentaries in "french"! He only "appears" more "moderate" now because he wants Russerts job. Talk about rearranging dech chairs on the Titanic!
Texaschilibean
You think Hitler was a liberal. You and Jonah Goldberg.
Keith will be on election coverage, he won't be anchoring it.
plantsman | 09.08.08 - 11:28 am | #
Oh, so you're fine with the situation. I thought you were complaining about it. My bad.
A-Man has been reduced to Bobblespeaking '60 Minutes' in my absence. So sad.
In my defense, I was at a 2 1/2 hour meeting disucssing ways in which people in my county may get Obama elected, elect other dems and oust the incumbent GOP and the rid the earth of their shadow.
We are going to organize a trip to the state of iniquity, Pennsylvania.
he finds it 'deeply offensive' that there are efforts 'coming out of the Republican camp to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith.
Imagine the outcry if Obama were accused of being a secret Jew.
Democrats concluded “that President Bush would not sign their legislation and that they could not override his likely veto.” Bush has already twice vetoed similar legislation."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09...09...008/#more-
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pigboy | 09.08.08 - 11:24 am | #
i really hate the congressional dem leadership
And how ofter does Obama go to church compared to McCain? Nobody cares. Reagan was such a great christian compared to Carter, and everybody knows Chimp got born again on a beach or something.
B1 Bummer | 09.08.08 - 11:27 am | #
It's different because Obama has a "funny" middle name....
Monday, September 8, 2008
Religious extremism OK if it's Christian
This is the kind of crap millions of people see every morning. Personally, some of us do have a problem with extremist views like speaking in tongues, exorcisms and healings."
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blog...-
christian.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...-
christian.html
We are going to organize a trip to the state of iniquity, Pennsylvania.
CoT
Intercourse!
It's a combination of very weak intellect, massive overcompensation for personal insecurity, and a serious dose of repressed cognitive dissonance. They can't handle even mild disagreement.
IMHO, part of it also lies with the idea that they have been sold this idea that they are left behind, being laughed at, and are not invested in "the future." There's an anger there, looking to knock down those who have it better, even if it costs them their self interests.
We are going to organize a trip to the state of iniquity, Pennsylvania.
CoT
Will you be bringing a lunch bucket or lunch pail to the beer hall?
Don't decide what I think -- "fine" was never said.
I'm disappointed, but as long as Countdown and Rachel are on, I'll be okay.
Latest Rethug ratfucking strategy aimed at college student registration
Caging the College kids
Olbermann was a poor choice to anchor coverage and pairing him with clown troupe leader Chris Matthews only made it more apparent. Olbermann is at his best when he is free to comment and the anchor chair requires a neutral traffic cop.
Still, to make this change now only highlights what Greenwald is suggesting ... they were going to get him sooner or later and why not at a moment of great visibility?
I have never understood why they are always so angry. Even when they controlled all 3 branches, they are still stomping their little feets and screeching in rage about something.
i really hate the congressional dem leadership
rootless-e, uppity | 09.08.08 - 11:29 am | #
It's like they want to lose the election.
Where are the pictures of McCain going to church on Sunday? I would have thought they'd be a staple in the fight to shore up the fundie vote.
Maybe each of his mansions contains a private chapel for his personal pastor to minister to him and Cindy outside the glare of the liberal media.
Despite all the problems with the USA, it's paradise compared to what our children will be living in.
I have never understood why they are always so angry. Even when they controlled all 3 branches, they are still stomping their little feets and screeching in rage about something.
sekmet | 09.08.08 - 11:31 am | # [kill][hide
fascists are usually angry. at least the mid level party operatives.
If this "bounce" starts showing up in other polls, and...and continues to show up say....10 days from now....will Obama/Axelrod/et.al. do something? Please? Like stop kissing John McCain's ass calling him an honorable man? Will I start seeing ads calling John McCain dishonorable? Lying sack of shit maybe?
Modern U.S. elections are about personality and character. If we keep embellishing John McCain's character with our own fucking saliva (i'm lookin at you Joe Biden), how are we winning?
I swear I feel like I'm reliving 2004. Say it ain't so Obama.
i really hate the congressional dem leadership
rootless-e, uppity | 09.08.08 - 11:29 am | #
It's like they want to lose the election.
pigboy | 09.08.08 - 11:31 am | #
Playing both sides.
Dems Win: Hooray, we have power.
Dems Lose: Hey, McCain, remember when we didn't fuck you over during the election?
i haz lunch bucket
Latest Rethug ratfucking strategy aimed at college student registration
Caging the College kids
Philip Seyman Hoffmore
What assholes. They are scared.
Where are the pictures of McCain going to church on Sunday? I would have thought they'd be a staple in the fight to shore up the fundie vote
It's really more of a "one of us. one of us." mentality.
I don't think it serves anyone to be so fucking neutral that a talking head can get on camera and spout a demonstrably false talking point without being called on it.
There are 4 debates and then the Election. Not many chances for star turns for Gregory.
Would KO be generally supportive of Obama? Yes, therefore he is booted from election coverage.
abyssgazer | 09.08.08 - 11:27 am | #
So you're saying that Olberman's corporate bosses at MSNBC hated Hillary more than Obama, but that once Obama was the man he had to be defeated too, so Keith lost the gig?
Sorry, that level of paranoia is just silly.
Democrats concluded “that President Bush would not sign their legislation and that they could not override his likely veto.” Bush has already twice vetoed similar legislation."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09...09...008/#more-
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pigboy | 09.08.08 - 11:24 am | #
i really hate the congressional dem leadership
rootless-e, uppity
Just a goddamn shame.
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no they be stealin my bucket!
i haz lunch bucket
CoT
lol.
You need to photoshop the walrus into a beer hall or VFW hall or wherever the fuck Tweety thinks these PA voters go to drown their sorrows.
Where are the pictures of McCain going to church on Sunday? I would have thought they'd be a staple in the fight to shore up the fundie vote.
They don't care if McCain goes to church. They only care if McCain pushes through extreme right-wing supreme court justices.
I swear I feel like I'm reliving 2004.
If a video of bin-Laden wearing an "Obama-Biden '08" t-shirt appears on, say, October 22, then it will be like '04. But this ain't '04. We haven't had a rise in the Security Threat level -- well, since 2004.
Hmmmmmmmmm
I have never understood why they are always so angry. Even when they controlled all 3 branches, they are still stomping their little feets and screeching in rage about something.
Victory through Victimhood.
They got power that way. They don't know how to manage power. Everything has and will be a black vs white/good vs evil struggle to them.
Paging Bob Schrum and Donna Brazile.
the anchor chair requires a neutral traffic cop.
David Gregory?
dech chairs on the Titanic!
Texaschilibean | 09.08.08 - 11:27 am | #
Gregory danced with Karl Rove, right after bending over and taking it up the ass. he's a conservatard mouthpiece, like Tweety.
and you are an idiot.
The Phantom Creeps : So you're saying that Olberman's corporate bosses at MSNBC hated Hillary more than Obama, but that once Obama was the man he had to be defeated too, so Keith lost the gig?
Sorry, that level of paranoia is just silly.
We got a lot of that from the Hillarions.
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MC David Gregory on the ones and twos!
i really hate the congressional dem leadership
rootless-e, uppity
I would like to find room for your newsletter in my budget.
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Has Gibson said yet if earmarks are considered a family matter?
Wingers can argue opinions all they want, no problem, I don't object to that, but makeing up facts or misrepresenting objectively provable material is not something ANY journalist, anchor, reporter or analyst should be expected to let slide in the interest of fairness.
David Gregory sucks as an anchor, but as I said; it's only for 4 debates and 1 election night.
Why the the Higgs boson particle hate America?
"Liberal" just means whatever stirs up the dumbass masses, and conservative is whatever lines the corpo's pockets.
I knew watching Scarborough in the morning would have consequences. We should tune in to MSNBC for keef only and nobody else
Dems Lose: Hey, McCain, remember when we didn't fuck you over during the election?
They don't seriously believe that. The election will be taken as a mandate to continue the last eight years. And there's no hope that even an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress would be any less deferential to McCain than they were to Bush. A McCain victory would really really suck.
Sorry, that level of paranoia is just silly.
The Phantom Creeps | 09.08.08 - 11:33 am | #
Funny how they weren't worried about overt partisanship during the primaries.
Olberman was against Hillary and wanted Obama to be our candidate. The presidentcy was in the bag with Hillary and now... not so much!
Mike, what about Rachel Maddow, right after Keith?
Dan Abrams demotion was a bigger deal, imo.
Virginia (13EV) can go to McCain and Obama can still beat him. Michigan, Ohio and PA (58EV) are more important to win.
We got a lot of that from the Hillarions.
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Meander | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:35 am | #
Thanks for the dismissive attitude.
there is no way PA is going to mccain.
no way.
We got a lot of that from the Hillarions.
Your favorite candidate still sucks!
Dan Abrams demotion was a bigger deal, imo.
plantsman
Dan was demoted?
Just look at the picture. Tell me if you see what I see.
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Meander
No Teevee news types stied to the telephone poles?
there is no way PA is going to mccain.
no way.
euphronius
The strategic logic of the Biden pick.
Re the traffic on this site: Clay Shirky (great book - Here Comes Everybody) says that the definition of famous is when more people want to personally talk with you than you can personally respond to.
Atrios is famous!
Dan took himself off the air for maddow.
its like the GM/Coach hiring a coach and being the GM full time.
btw, Andy Reid needs to go on a diet.
Mike, what about Rachel Maddow, right after Keith?
Dan Abrams demotion was a bigger deal, imo.
plantsman | 09.08.08 - 11:38 am | #
Ok, RM is ok. Dan Abrams lost any credibility he had to me years ago when we interviewed Scott Ritter prior to the invasion of Iraq
abyssgazer : Thanks for the dismissive attitude.
Dismissive? No, that was mockery.
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Olbermann's break with the Clinton campaign was very public, and to my mind very justified, after she attacked Obama so relentlessly and made her "white people" remark. YMMV.
s/we/he/
So you're saying that Olberman's corporate bosses at MSNBC hated Hillary more than Obama, but that once Obama was the man he had to be defeated too, so Keith lost the gig?
That might be true, but the fact is that as anchors for news events Olberman/Matthews didn't work at all.
But Jayzuss I hate David Gregory.
The Joint Chiefs did not want the surge but Bush pushed for it and fired Gen. Casey, installed Petraeus, Fired Rumsfeld, installed gates and then sent 30,000 troops to Iraq. He then hancuffed the next president by making Petraeus the head of cent com.
A recent poll showed that 49 percent wouldn't vote for Hillary.
Shirky's book points the way to revolution. Read it.
I think this whole surge thing is being mishandled by Obama. We don't have two separate wars, we have one global effort against terrorists. The War in Iraq was a diversion that has sucked away human, military, and diplomatic capital.
The Persions killed all 300 Spartans at Thermopylae. Santa Anna killed every last defender at the Alamo. How come it's the 'losers' who got to celebrate?
That's what a Phyrric victory means.
Realpolitik
Idealpolitik
Machtpolitik
But none of them work. What is missing?
Dan took himself off the air for maddow.
Yeah, He's the head honcho there. I'm not sure his title but he's the guy.
Petraeus said no troops can leave Iraq before 2009, also.
the anchor chair requires a neutral traffic cop.
David Gregory?
No. I was only speaking of the hypothetical. Gregory is an aggrandizing asshole.
Baconpolitik.
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Mike : Shirky's book points the way to revolution. Read it.
I am SO done with revolution.
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Phil Griffin is Dan's Boss.
From Greenwald: "[J]ust as Obama must work to win Clinton supporters for the fall campaign, Phil Griffin has to repair a fractured audience base, a portion of which saw sexism in his network's Clinton coverage and vowed to boycott MSNBC. Griffin knows that some of that anger is aimed at his star anchor. "It was, like, you meet a guy and you fall in love with him, and he's funny and he's clever and he’s witty, and he’s all these great things," Griffin said of the relationship between Olbermann and the Clinton supporters among his viewers. "And then you commit yourself to him, and he turns out to be a jerk and difficult and brutal. And that is how the Hillary viewers see him. It's true. But I do think they're going to come back. There's nowhere else to go."
From Raw Story: At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
200...in_92_0407.html
From Think Progress: WOODWARD: He has a meeting at the Pentagon with a bunch of experts and he just said, ‘I don’t understand that the Iraqis are not appreciative of what we’ve done for them,’ namely liberated them.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09...s-appreciative/
Yesterday: Rick Davis,McCain's lobbyist in chief, just complained on "Fox News Sunday" that Sarah Palin was not receiving enough "deference" from the press. To quote Rick:
"And, Chris, all due respect, I mean the information that the news media is putting out on Sarah Palin is not what I would call objective journalism. So until at which point in time we feel like the news media is going to treat her with some level of respect and deference I think it would be foolhardy to put her out in that kind of environment."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...9/7/121821/
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There's a connection: (Liberal) women....need to be shown their place....now let Sarah, a heartbeat away, show you how our women know how to do it...."So Sambo beat the bitch!"
http://www.laprogressive.com/200...-mean%E2%80%9D/
By the way, we're broke. Library's, who needs them. Schools? Parents should have the final say. Bridges, roads, infrastructure? Float a bond baby...Jesus' a' comin' so why worry about debt?
And I think if the French can elect Sarkozy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...h?
v=6VZMnIPeKW8, and the republic survives then what's the big deal? I must be drunk. I don't think pissing Olbermann and Matthews off is a good idea.
Petraeus said no troops can leave Iraq before 2009, also.
plantsman
Handcuffing the next President.
Realpolitik
Idealpolitik
Machtpolitik
But none of them work. What is missing?
Snow
Politics is war carried on by other (less violent) means.
Realpolitik
Idealpolitik
Machtpolitik
But none of them work. What is missing?
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:42 am | #
5th generation warfare? Super-empowered individuals?
Jeebuspolitik.
Oh, I'm sick. I am watching the McCain stuff in a KC suburb(Lee's Summit), and they've started with a woman who claims she was originally for Hillary. It's all too staged...but sickening nonetheless.
The hall they're in holds 3000...looks packed.
Phryyic victory comes from King Pryyrus' invasion of southern italy where he beat the romans in battle after battle but eventually was forced off the island and never conquered italy.
I am in a really crappy mood and I doubt that is going to change until I see Rachel, and maybe not even then. I'm now going to self medicate with cheap wine so if I come back later and say anything really stupid that's probably why. Or it's a troll.
Maybe MSNBC decided on a more professional journalistic approach vs FauxOnNBC?
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Gregory is the Junior League. Brokaw-Broderism is what he aspires to.
I wouldn't have believed it a few months ago, but I think Brokaw's hard on for McCain is throbbier than Russert's ever was.
THIS HERE'S SPARTA!!!
Winning a beer pong tournament, for example, is often a pyrrhic victory.
Maybe MSNBC decided on a more professional journalistic approach vs FauxOnNBC?
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QuentinCompson, Negatory | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:45
good one.
Send this to everyone you can think of:
http://www.salon.com/env/feature...h_palin_wolves/
The Joint chiefs all but told Bush that we were losing the war in Iraq and Bush went ballistic. Then came the Surge.
Phil Griffin is Dan's Boss.
plantsman
I know he's not the Uber honcho but he does some of the programming decisions or something. He's more than just a talking head. He's got executive clout.
Maybe the wiki entry says something. His promotion to that job was fairly recent.
THIS HERE'S SPARTA!!!
B1 Bummer
Swift Boat Hoplites For Truth
swift trireme
The fact is, I never wanted Hillary to run in the first place because, for whatever reason, she's a divisive figure and could not win the general.
But, still, the ugliness around here has taken a lot of the fun out of being here.
Brokaw, like McCain, is too old. I'm watching this Mark Whitaker guy, now NBC's Washington Bureau Chief (as Timmeh was) for the MTP slot.
It's just winning the battle but losing th war. The U.S. knows a thing or two about that.
The media destroyed Hillary and now, they will destroy Obama. Remember, I said that would happen months ago.
Abrams hosted The Abrams Report until he accepted the lead managerial position at MSNBC.[4] Abrams held the position of General Manager of MSNBC from June 12, 2006 until October 2007
So Griffin is now General Manger?
Didn't Browkaw retire? How can we miss him if he never leaves?
Palin's glasses are actually very expensive, as I recall from the news story -- well over $1000.00.
Gives new meaning to "a bridge to nowhere."
Oh, I'm sick. I am watching the McCain stuff in a KC suburb(Lee's Summit), and they've started with a woman who claims she was originally for Hillary. It's all too staged...but sickening nonetheless.
The hall they're in holds 3000...looks packed.
Missouri Bird
Any real "original Hillary supporter" would look at her and say, "Idiot."
swift trireme hoplites for eudaimonia
Dan's title prior to "Verdict" was General Manager.
No doubt McCain/Palin will encourage culling liberals from airplanes
Bugs | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:47 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Fuck Off, Racist Pig. and we mean it. nobody likes overt racists around here, asshole.
The media destroyed Hillary and now, they will destroy Obama. Remember, I said that would happen months ago.
Bugs |
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That was the plan!
Remember, I said that would happen months ago.
Bugs
You figured out "months ago" that the Beltway Media is biased against Democrats? Jeepers, Miss Cleo, tell me which lottery numbers to pick in 1998!!!
abyssgazer : But, still, the ugliness around here has taken a lot of the fun out of being here.
Thank you for your concern.
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If a video of bin-Laden wearing an "Obama-Biden '08" t-shirt appears on, say, October 22, then it will be like '04. But this ain't '04. We haven't had a rise in the Security Threat level -- well, since 2004.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Philip Seyman Hoffmore
I'm betting Friday, 10/31...
Hillary is not destroyed, she's just not going to be President right now.
McCain couldn't fill a 3,000 seat hall until he selected Palin.
Isn't the US governemnt trying to reintroduce wolves back into their native habitats in the lower 48 states? Isn't the Alaska "Kill Wolves" program self defeating?
Fuck Off, Racist Pig. and we mean it. nobody likes overt racists around here, asshole.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
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Kiss my ass! It's idiots like you, who will give our country 4 more Bush years!
has palin given a press conference yet?
You are correct, Plantsman.
Went right by me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...7092401490.html
Jay C
you are right, Tebow is a triple threat: running/passing/circumsising. is there anything this Heisman winner can't do?
Phil's title is different; President, Vice-President, like that.
swift trireme hoplites
Hoplites didn't fight aboard triremes, dood.
Bugs | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:50 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Fuck Off, Racist Pig
You can't make this shit up. From that Salon piece on Governor Mooselini:
"Palin acts like she has never met an animal she didn't want shot," says Priscilla Feral, president of Friends of Animals, based in Connecticut.
Thank you for your concern.
Thank you for your meaningless non-sequiter.
Bageant on rednecks and Palin:
"We come in one size: extra large. We are sometimes insolent and often quick to fight. We love competitive spectacle such as NASCAR and paintball, and believe gun ownership is the eleventh commandment.
We fry things nobody ever considered friable -- things like cupcakes, banana sandwiches and batter dipped artificial cheese ... even pickles.
And most of all we are defiant and suspicious of authority, and people who are "uppity" (sophisticated) and "slick" (people who use words with more than three syllables). Two should be enough for anybody.
And that is one of the reasons that, mystifying as it is to the outside world, John McCain's choice of the moose-shooting Alaskan woman with the pregnant unmarried teen daughter appeals to many redneck and working class Americans.
We all understand that there is a political class which dominates in America, and that Sarah Palin for damned sure is not one of them. And the more she is attacked by liberal Democratic elements (translation: elite highly-educated big city people) the more America's working mooks will come to her defence. Her daughter had a baby out of wedlock? Big deal. What family has not? She is a Christian fundamentalist who believes God spat on his beefy paws and made the world in seven days? So do at least 150 million other Americans. She snowmobiles and fishes and she is a looker to boot. She's a redneck."
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/20...ednecks-
ma.html
plantsman : Hillary is not destroyed, she's just not going to be President right now.
Quite so.
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I think a lot of people were turned off by Hillary refusing to concede when it was obvious Obama was going to win. She dragged her dead campaign around the country like Juana the Mad and it was painful to watch.
abyssgazer
It will all be over soon!
Kill Wolves Here!
Kill Wolves Now!
I have never used Photoshop.
So sad. Really, my license to snark should be revoked.
But, still, the ugliness around here has taken a lot of the fun out of being here.
abyssgazer | 09.08.08 - 11:47 am
There's still the puppets, but even they are a little gahgah sometimes.
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Faux is saying McCain's filling "Huge Halls" of 12,000 people; but 84,500 at Mile High and 76,000
in Portland weren't shit.
Hoplites didn't fight aboard triremes, dood.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash | 09.08.08 - 11:51 am | #
sure they did. just not in a phalanx.
It will all be over soon!
Al Haig | 09.08.08 - 11:52 am | #
That's what I'm afraid of.
I'm betting Friday, 10/31...
Yeah, let's start a "bin-Laden tape appearance" pool.
http://www.osamaendorsesobama.com
How about a secession of cities? We could have United City-States of America right alongside United States of America.
The fact is, I never wanted Hillary to run in the first place because, for whatever reason, she's a divisive figure and could not win the general.
abyssgazer | 09.08.08 - 11:47 am | #
That this fact was not universally obvious to everybody in the Democratic party, starting with her, remains baffling to me.
You can see Obama's campaign disintegrating before our eyes. The media is in full bore attack against him. Hell, they did it to Gore & Kerry too!
Hey, abyssgazer, that actually was me this morning. I'm feeling depressed and disheartened. The MSM is not covering any of the McCain/Palin stuff that's all over the place, and they're basically ignoring Obama. We're going to lose this thing because of that darn liberal media.
No, Bugs -- I can't see that.
I'm feeling depressed and disheartened. The MSM is not covering any of the McCain/Palin stuff that's all over the place, and they're basically ignoring Obama. We're going to lose this thing because of that darn liberal media.
B1 Bummer
Yup.
Yup.
And yup.
Positive thought of the day:
Also don't discount that the governors of OH, CO, VA, MI, NM, IA, and PA are Democrats. That definitely seems to help with machine, get out the vote strategies in the populous areas in close elections. If Obama is polling within 1-2 points in those states on election day, he still has a good chance to win them on turnout alone.
Seriously, how much can it cost to bribe one vietnamese official to leak the propaganda films McCain made for them?
We all understand that there is a political class which dominates in America, and that Sarah Palin for damned sure is not one of them.
trolls don't have room for the Fortune 500 in their political calculus. McCain's $500 shoes and 13 houses mean he is clearly a man of the people.
sheetz..
If Obama is polling within 1-2 points in those states on election day, he still has a good chance to win them on turnout alone.
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1-2 points? The rethugs will steal that easy.
That this fact was not universally obvious to everybody in the Democratic party, starting with her, remains baffling to me.
steve hüssein® simels | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:53 am | #
It was a bad idea from the start and who knows who it might have discouraged from runnning.
Bugs | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:53 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Fuck Off, Racist Pig
Rendell is on board obama 08.
philly will have enormous turnout. enough to almost win the state i think. I mean phila will be a 700,000 vote margin for obama.
We all understand that there is a political class which dominates in America, and that Sarah Palin for damned sure is not one of them.
She's running for Vice President on the Republican ticket, and she's not a member of the dominant political class?
Take a poll (I did) of your democratic family members. See, how many will not vote for Obama. That should tell you something.
let's start a "bin-Laden tape appearance" pool.
10/30/08, the day before Condition Magenta or whatever.
I've gotten used to seeing US presidential elections decided in a cave in Waziristan.
Idealpolitik is for purists.
Machtpolitik is for warmongers.
Realpolitik is for realists.
Or so the common wisdom would have you believe. What they all lack, including realpolitik, is recognition of the complex and interdependent nature of things.
But don't develop a new school and call it Complex Interdependence. That school has already formed and is just as rigid as the others.
Also don't discount that the governors of OH, CO, VA, MI, NM, IA, and PA are Democrats
Remember how Clinton/McAuliffe said Howard Dean was crazy for pursuing that 50 state strategy?
The odds are on a big payoff from that strategy, despite background noise of flash polling
Take a poll (I did) of your democratic family members. See, how many will not vote for Obama. That should tell you something.
Bugs | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:57 am | #
My family contains Dems, Reps, and Indys.
All voting for Obama.
That does tell me something. Can you guess what it is?
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wasn't globalization at one time touted as the free movement of people in addition to capital?
Take a poll (I did) of your democratic family members. See, how many will not vote for Obama. That should tell you something.
Bugs | Homepage | 09.08.08 - 11:57 am | #
I did. They will all vote for Obama. Oh, and my 56 year old mother supported Hillary in the primary.
And most of all we are defiant and suspicious of authority, and people who are "uppity" (sophisticated) and "slick" (people who use words with more than three syllables). Two should be enough for anybody.
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'anybody' has 4 syllables.
..."uppity" (sophisticated)...
Don't believe I've ever heard that one. Don't believe Bageant has, either...
Winning a beer pong tournament, for example, is often a pyrrhic victory.
Jay C.
The more I see EVERY domestic crisis getting kicked to the next administration, the more I believe it's a GOP strategy to set Obama up to fail.
So, at the risk of raising the ire of many here, I'm wondering - if, in the long-term view that too many have kept their heads buried in the sand for too long - that it might not be that bad for McCain and Palin to win in November.
Here's my "reasoning:"
1) The US is effectively nationalizing the mortgage market. Does it help Democrats to be tagged - for decades to come - as the party that "squandered billions in aid to banks and foreign governments at the expense of taxpayers?" (You KNOW that will be the talking point through 2020 - at the very least.)
2) "Poor, sick people can get health care at Emergency Rooms." OK, let's test this hypothesis through a pandemic (or even a TB outbreak) where a scant few rich folks have access to vaccine.
Let's also test the economic health of a system that runs hopsitals for the poor to the levels of 1970s Rumania, while giving the rich specialty "Heart Hospitals" that promise to reverse 30 years of excessive living with a cool $100K and a couple months rehab.
3) Let's test the hypothesis - uttered several times in St. Paul - that America is "exceptional" in the eyes of God. Will God remove toxins from water if we pray hard enough? Will He increase the test scores of students in fundamentalist schools denied proper education on evolution?
4) Let's see how much more taxes can be cut for the very wealthy before a) China, Russia, and the Arab States decide NOT to waste more money on a failed state; b) the highway system, waterway system (including locks, dams, and levees), and the electrical grid experiences more and more drastic failures; and c) enough of the voting electorate - including affluent SS retirees - realizes that federal checks CAN bounce.
More in a bit - I've HAD IT with a stupid voting electorate.
They don't care if McCain goes to church. They only care if McCain pushes through extreme right-wing supreme court justices.
Halfdan | 09.08.08 - 11:34 am | #
Ding, ding, ding, ding!
We have a winner!!
makeing up facts or misrepresenting objectively provable material is not something ANY journalist, anchor, reporter or analyst should be expected to let slide in the interest of fairness.
catalexis, CMDR Re-Ed Camp 6 | 09.08.08 - 11:36 am | #
What planet do you live on?
Do you accept immigrants?
A McCain victory would really really suck.
Halfdan | 09.08.08 - 11:37 am | #
My vote for Understatement of the Year.
Day 700: EVERYONE'S STILL BEING BLOWED UP
Actually, that would be either Day 1999 or Day 2000 depending on how you figured it. But either way, it kinda makes the people who were going:
Day 1: Yay! No more saddam!
look pretty silly, while those of us who were going:
Day 1: "Oh, fuck, not this bullshit again"
look downright prescient.
ANY journalist, anchor, reporter or analyst should be expected to let slide in the interest of fairness.
catalexis, CMDR Re-Ed Camp 6 | 09.08.08 - 11:36 am | #
that my friend use to be the motto of responsible journalism.
now...FOX News and Newsweek has Karl Rove as their consultant
what can we expect of anything more than Karl Rove's infused ideology.
What a sad state of affair this is
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