I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
"For hundreds, perhaps thoughsand of American evangelical Christians, Iraq is fertile ground for humanitarian relief work--and introducing Muslims to the story of Jesus."
Here's the story - Jesus Wept.
sorry for the typos on "thousands" - I was getting a little teary eyed myself.
So, the NGO's don't want to risk losing their "credibility" and be seen as an arm of the U.S. Government so they decide to sit on the sidelines and bitch and moan about how bad things are going. Whose the bad guy here?
Hearts and minds!
Mission Accomplished!
Grown-ups in charge!
Era of Accountability!
Whose the bad guy here?
If I were to guess, I'd say the bad guys are the ones who ordered bombs dropped on schools and hospitals.
But that's just a guess.
Actually I believe that World Vision does claim to be Christian. Though I have read elsewhere that missionary groups ARE getting preference among humanitarian NGOs in admittance to Iraq.
"So, the NGO's don't want to risk losing their 'credibility' and be seen as an arm of the U.S. Government so they decide to sit on the sidelines and bitch and moan about how bad things are going."
No, they just don't want to become propaganda whores (and worse) for the neo-Nazis... unlike brownshirts such as yourself.
"Whose the bad guys here?" People who play-like they are trying to do a good deed but attach strings to the deed. Those are the bad guys. You either help someone, end of story, or you are doing something else other than helping.
>For hundreds, perhaps thousands of American evangelical Christians, Iraq is fertile ground for humanitarian relief work -- and introducing Muslims to the story of Jesus.
Where are the cannibals when you really need em?
How long before they start accusing NGOs of terrorism?
Great timing tho - AEI recently sponsored a conference called: 'Nongovernmental Organizations: The Growing Power of an Unelected Few'
From OneWorld.net
"To the groups who gathered at AEI Wednesday, however, international NGOs raise concerns that go far beyond transparency and accountability. To them, the international NGOs are pursuing a leftist or "liberal" agenda that favors "global governance" and other notions that are also promoted by the United Nations and other multilateral agencies. "
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To clarify, AEI is the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington think tank that has been particularly influential with the Bush administration.
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Chris writes:
Whose the bad guy here?
Five leading U.S. humanitarian organizations have clashed with the Bush administration in recent weeks over the Pentagon's role in the rebuilding of Iraq, saying military oversight jeopardizes their work and puts aid workers at risk.
Jeopardizing their work and putting aid workers at risk = bitching and moaning.
Chris, I know you've donated countless hours at Red Cross blood drives, AIDS fundraisers, and other worthy events, so you obviously know when humanitarian organizations are bitching and moaning, right? You put your ass on the line every day for no money and no glory, so you're qualified to comment, right?
Actually, when you put the word "credibility" in quotes you pretty much summed up your entire "argument."
Given that all humanitarian agencies have fought for their credibility as "the boots on the ground" in situations where governments couldn't or wouldn't do the job, preserving that credibility is a pretty important thing. Refusing to be co-opted by governmental and military agendas is what gives them their credibility.
Horrific story-- figures Bushco is more worried about image than facts on the ground. Assholes...
About the Christian missionaries-- Muslims KNOW about Jesus. They just don't think he was the ultimate prophet like Muhammed. So the missionaries are basically wasting their time-- they might as well be converting jews.
"I know you've donated countless hours at Red Cross blood drives, AIDS fundraisers, and other worthy events, so you obviously know when humanitarian organizations are bitching and moaning, right? You put your ass on the line every day for no money and no glory, so you're qualified to comment, right?"
It's not nice to treat a returning veteran of the Iraqi "campaign" like that!
Ohwaitaminnit...
Chris - How can humanitarian groups address the suffering caused by governments if they are coopted by those governments?
As for the missionaries, I've already said what I wanted to say, above.
Tresy - Indeed, where are the cannibals when you need them.
Alex:
That's next -- after the Rapture....
Alex:
That's next -- after the Rapture....
Alex:
That's next -- after the Rapture....
Sorry for the multiple postings.
Wait a minute - I thought that after the rapture all us wretches who aren't true believers will die horrible deaths here on earth while the true believers frolic in heaven. Why does that sound an awful lot like the promises made to Islamic martyrs/suicide bombers?
Tena, you've got it wrong.
After the Rapture, all the rest of us will be left to pass fair housing and employment laws, end arms sales, institute a rational foreign policy, plus we'll get the cars and houses of all those taken up! I'd say, win-win all around.
phein - well, now I suddenly have a reason to start praying. Hell, let's start a "prayer circle," and get this this going.
While y'all are makin' fun of the evagelicals, you are missing lambert's larger point. Bushco is making a complete hash, a humanitarian disaster. Go read Steve Gilliard's two-parter at Daily Kos on the political and military situation and then add in this news. Cholera is already making a significant appearance in Iraq, and the summer is still young. This is going to be a very ugly summer, but you probably won't hear about it from the Amurcan media.
Is it over, or do we still have a chance? The Bush Administration is the culmination of many years of hard work by the radical right, of which AEI is part and parcel. Their dissing of NGO's is entirely predictable, and will not end intil they are rendered impotent, along with the rest of any semblence of true democracy. We are heading directly and at breakneck speed toward a bastardized theocapitocracy. (Could that be a word?) Goodbye middle class. Today-USA, tomorrow-the world. And a CEO ship for every member of the royalty!
Well, Melanie, ok. I thought that Lambert's post in part had to do with Bush trying to control the message in Iraq. He doesn't want any independant groups inside Iraq - obviously. Bushco, actually, not "he" don't want anyone to know how screwed up the situation is. And just to screw it up a little more, here come the evangelicals.
On the other hand, it's not hard to imagine how some in this country would react to aid that came from the Red Crescent and included verses from the Koran.
Another country aiding the USA, as we do everyone else? That'll be the day.
WC - oh puleeeeez - I suppose that Lafayette wasn't French and that Ben Franklin, Adams and Jefferson didn't spend years in Paris getting money for the American cause from the French. I suppose that without the French money and other aid we could have just won our independance on our own. I suppose over half the world's governments didn't send condolences after 9/11, condemn the act and offer to help us, only to be insulted and treated like they are enemies by our Wonderful Leader.
"Another country aiding the USA, as we do everyone else? That'll be the day."
hahaha thanks for the laugh ;D
We do 'EVERYONE else'? As we did in Afghanistan you mean?
Oh no wait we forgot to put some reconstruction money aside for that. Bummer lol.
Or maybe you mean the money we offered to "help" Turkey, to help us wage a "humanitarian" war against the Iraqis. Turkey: a country with an atrocious human rights abuse record but hey who's looking. We'll liberate the worthy (read: those with vast oil reserves).
Or maybe, just maybe, they don't like our "aid" cos they are fed up with all the strings attached including "forcing" genetically modified foods on countries with AIDS crises. Friends of the Earth has noted that new U.S. legislation granting $15 billion to fight AIDS in Africa mentions the reluctance of some states to accept GM food.
It said this implies a link between eligibility for the AIDS money and a country's willingness to accept GM foods.
My we're so generous.
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Aria - I forgot about the Aids package. That's the same one that mandates that nothing can be said about condoms, safe sex, birth control or abortion. Yes, we are such humanitarians.
WC - I guess you missed the bit about French troops evacuating Americans from Liberia.
Tema,
My point is that in his drive to "control the message" a lot more people are going to die.
Thanks Tena - I forgot to add those 
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Melanie - my dear, I know. I'm sorry. You are so so right. I shouldn't have gotten off on being frivolous. There's really nothing light-hearted about any of this. In fact, it breaks my heart.
theocapitocracy = the practical worship of Mammon (wearing a pious mask of Jesus, of course). There has to be a better word of phrase to describe this. Mammology could be misconstrued ;^). What should we call this religion, the Church of the Invisible Hand of Jesus?
Walter Crackwipe, that has got to be the weakest fucking troll I've ever seen. Not that Lambert needs my help (I just happen to be here right now), but the key word in that sentence is "imagine." In this case that would also be called "putting yourself in someone else's shoes." Ever hear of it? No? That's why you're a moronic brownshirt fuck.
librul - nice catch on the French in Liberia. Gosh, I think that particular religion is more like the Church of the Heavy Hand of the Not Jesus but Convinced They Are.
Do not Americans know that all NGO's are evile unles they are the American Enterprise Institute or the Christian Collition. How deare these democratic humanitarian organizations question the the devine glory of the Bastered Select: Chimpco.
> Another country aiding the USA, as we do everyone else? That'll be the day.
We are the stingiest Western nation by far in the amount of foreign aid as a portion of GDP--even stingier when military aid masquerading as foreign aid (Israel, Egypt) are properly deducted from the figures. This is not a secret.
A blowhard dittohead knowing the simplest facts about any subject on which he lectures everyone else? That'll be the day.
Don't forget the Canadians who ended the Iranian hostage crisis in 1980.
Oh, sorry, W.C., that was before Reagan got elected... to you, that's the beginning of history, no doubt.
HELPED end, of course.
When will you librulz learn?
There is no past, except the Clenis(TM).
There is no future, except tax cuts and war.
The only thing that matters is the present.
History doesn't exist; events happening now emerged from no previous influences, and occur in a total vacuum. Just like everything that will happen in the future has nothing to do with what happens now.
Tiernan is the fuckhead de tutti fuckheads.
They don't grow them any dumber on the freeper farm than Tiernan.
Gary Frazier, I just love you. "fuckhead de tutti fuckheads." You are priceless.
If we want to get into who does more service we can . . . on the other hand I have always been taught to keep those things private.
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